Mini 1005: Mafiaphobes! (Game over)

[vezokpiraka]

I'll answer 6 only.
Usually people who want to end RVS by not saying "End the RVS" are scum.
Asking subtle question to end RVS = scum in my experience.

vote Tasky

[vezokpiraka]

I don't agree with SSBF on the last part. (before the scum tells)
I was in a game where town quicklynched scum on page 2 post 50. They gained a lot of insight just from that speed lynch.


My last vote was half random half serious. I saw this thing with questions for ending RVS. I saw scum do it more that town. Town usually end the RVS by just posting: "The RVS ended".
I don't like tasky's response to my vote.

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@tasky
Your first three questions are useless.
Your playstyle question is stupid. You are just giving the chance to self meta. That won't help you scum hunt.
Bandwagoning is sometimes good and sometimes bad depending on circumstances.

I won't link to the game because it's still in progress and on another site.

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No they are not.
You should not allow scum to self meta. That's bad.
They could and will write their scum meta or something like that and townies will think that because of that they can't be scum. It's more of a subliminal thing.

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@ Friend. My opinion on diddin is pretty much neutral at the moment. Mostly because, while you pointed out that vote could be seen as opportunistic, I need more than a single instance of opportunistic behavior to consider that it is opportunistic AND because he used the contradiction to vote. I voted for that same reason myself so trying to find him scummy/null/town off that isn't going to work for me. Same goes for SSBF.

Unvote:Tasky

Why? Look at the discussion. Many people have pointed out how scum could possibly use his method against him and against town. Again, I don't want to get into a huge MD dissertation here but he has a theory of Mafia that he is trying to refine. Whether it works or not is moot. I think the contradiction I caught him in was a direct result of the fact that his trying to make his method work and he didn't think about what he was saying for that reason. Not because he was trying to lay some sort of trap.

Friend hit on the head here:

I see what you're getting at, I suppose. While I don't think not answering the questions is scummy, I think I can see why he does.

Based on the way Tasky has posted so far, if his questions are some sort of scum gambit, I am not seeing it.

I have to agree with you.

Unvote

[vezokpiraka]

So you're giving tasky the noob pass but you're voting for me because of sheepping?
You sure you're not scum with Tasky?

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EBWOP:
Nathed by SSBF

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I know the post before you appears but it doesn't show the avatar.
I usually read it after I post.

@friend : Top two scum suspects please.

[vezokpiraka]

I didn't knew about SSBF post before.
You see there are no avatars there. I didn't bother to check that until after I had posted.
Yes I care what others post.

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I was scum hunting. I asked friend a question so I can get him out of the neutral zone. I liked his response and now he's in the town pile. You will see that after I post all my reads.

It doesn't take 6 minutes to write a post but my Phone rang and I answered it in the middle of the post.
I think it's a coincidence with that noob pass.

[vezokpiraka]

I suspect people one at a time. If that player is clearly town I put him into the town pile. If not I get him at neutral and ask a question.
I wanted to see who he suspects. People usually suspect me if I don't have a PR and I'm uncced.

Fate (not the player) hates me. I learned too not think about it.

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Wagon analysis.
We have tasky and friend. One who got a wagon formed on him at the beginning and one who defended him. KageLord - the one who is pushing a wagon on me for out of game reasons. We may have all the three(?) scums here.

I will

Vote KageLord

I really don't like his last few posts. He comes as incredibly scummy to me.

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@q21: The mod said that you have to unvote first in order for your vote to count.

[vezokpiraka]

I have one game to point you to Newbie 950. I was cop that and had nearly the same posting style. I have more games to show but they are still ongoing.

[vezokpiraka]

I questioned enough people to know what should I do tonight.
Don't start to ask me things like this.

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I don't know what the second line should mean. I was looking at a movie when I posted that. I think I was arguing with someone in the movie. Ton tired. Must sleep.

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As I said in my last post I don't know what the last line means.
I was looking at a movie and it was 12 o'clock in the night. Guess I got tired and started arguing with the guy in the movie by posting here.

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@xvart: So I caught something immediately after I posted. Again, what's wrong with that?

I don't like how you put that " What's wrong with that?" at the end. It seems forced.

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Than it means I understood the question wrong. I think I got something else.
I agree that double posting is not a scum tell.

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The sheeping point is useless. Yes I agreed with Oso. I nearly had the same thing in mind but because he posted that before me I just barned it. The six minute difference is not that much. Yeah I used noob pass. I heard it so many times that it's the only word I use for describing that. I scum hunt very weird and change my opinion quickly.

Don't know what to say more.

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I don't remember anyone keeping me alive just for the owl effect.

I can't think straight right now. I should reread everyone.

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Mod

: Big Shit happened. Someone died. I am V/LA for the next 4-5 days. Sorry.

Noted, sorry to hear about that.

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VC is wrong. CSN is not in the game anymore.

Heh, neither is Friend, thanks.

I don't think jay is a jester. I think he's a lyncher or a cop though.

[vezokpiraka]

To answer you. In all 12 player game I have been in and saw there had been 3 scums. I think there are 3 this game too. After the kills tonight we will see if there is a SK or some other kind of role to change this numbers.

[vezokpiraka]

Most of the questions are asking me if I am a cop. The purpose is to show my playstyle. I hate getting lynched d1.

[vezokpiraka]

SHHT. I am lurking.

I think oso's case is good. I don't like how you try to discredit him.You also attack quadz. I agree with some of your points but he may be playing like me and change his opinion quicly.

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KageLord?
Yes.
He is trying to hard to paint someone scum. (I E : When I SSBF posted before me he made a pretty big case saying I am scum just because of that.) I just found this scum hunting tehnique a few days ago and it never proved me wrong. People who try too hard to make someone seem scummy are usually scum.

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We have some more time to discuss. YAY. This game is alredy getting boring. Big wall-o-texts that must be read.
I am waiting for either getting at L-2 to claim or kagelord getting lynched.

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This day is too swingy.
Anything can happen and everyone may get lynched.

Here get some pressure if it's needed. My vote is still on kagelord but xvart apparently wants some help.

Unvote
Vote Quadz

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No question's for me?
I am getting bored.
Well he wants other people to do the work vut if he doesn't comment or anything then he is just active lurking.

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Yes I do.

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Vanilla vezok likes day cause he can talk in the thread.
Non-Vanilla vezok doesn't likes days that go on forever cause he can't use the powers he has.

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Well no.
I refered to me as vanilla vezok cause that's the role that does nothing.
I am playing this game and enjoing it. I don't care if you don't like my playstyle. It paid off for me.

[vezokpiraka]

I never give. People seem to get that impresion.
I never give up.

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I am waiting for a VC. Then I will claim.
I am stil active. Problem is you are all asleep when I am not sleeping. I post everytime I check something here but I can't respond to my own posts. That would be too dumb.

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Sorry for you scum. No claim from me.

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Good. We lynched obvious scum.
Two more to go. I bet money on SSBF and diddin.

[vezokpiraka]

I wonder who doesn't do that.
Next goal I have in mind : Make a Vlog on my youtube channel and be the most subscribed of all times.

[vezokpiraka]

What just happened?
It doesn't make sense. What is happening?

[vezokpiraka]

The Humble reread is coming, I have Band Camp today and WILL do it this evening. Trust me on this one. The reason I'm rereading Humble is my only read on him in the past was town, but that read wasn't a very strong one. I like to have better reads D2 than D1.

Seriously?
Are you kidding me?
You are now trying to deflect the wagon from you to Hubmle?
Half of the people here consider him town. I don't want him lynched.

This isn't working today diddin.

Vote diddin

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You say I am a weak player.
Scum always try to force a mislynch on me.
If diddin flips town tazaro should be the next to go.

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I am not offended. If I was I should hyave been dead or something.


Glad to see you aran.
Oso beat me to it. I want to know about that post from Jay.

[vezokpiraka]

Nah. I wasn't but-hurt. I was just saying things without giving reasons like I always do. Sometimes I don't do this but...

[vezokpiraka]

This neighbour thing is weird. Jailkeeper is the single most easilly claims as scum reolblocker. I thing diddin is scum .

[vezokpiraka]

Should I claim now guys?

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I am a town watcher. You know what this role does.
I watched Oso last night. I don't want to reveal results because it won't benefit the town at all.
I didn't bread crumb the role because I was afraid the scum might try to NK me and I hate getting NKed in games.

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EBWOP:
I will tell my results but only if three people agree on this.
Diddin doesn't count for the purpose of this.

[vezokpiraka]

People who want me to claim results: [1/3] Tazaro
People who don't want me to claim results: [0/3]

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People who want me to claim results: [2/3] Tazaro , Sotty7
People who don't want me to claim results: [0/3]

[vezokpiraka]

Ah screw it. I will claim anyway. Now I am just more suspicious of you and Sotty.

Like I said I am a watcher. If I would have found something like 2 person both targetting Oso I would have told at the beginning of the day. This will just out a PR. KageLord targetted Oso at night.

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Is it L-2?
If so please claim Tazaro. Or if I missed the claim please quote it.

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Yes. He may have protected the kill last night.
We all have to remember he is Jailkeeper.
Sotty could wither be the scum who submited the kill or the person who got saved.

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Heh, that's sensible, Oso. I think I'd best follow reason:

UNVOTE

VOTE: Sotty7

Tazaro. Why are you voting sotty?
I already told you that voting sotty because she got jailed doesn't mean ti;s a good reason.

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KageLord has a role. I have no idea what his role is.
Don't rush the Oso waogn. Wait for KageLord to come back. If he is a cop or something like that he will object to the wagon.
Until then...

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Oh. Something odd struck me today. I am being coherent and people percieve me as town.
Ah gotta get out of this feeling.

unvote
Vote Oso

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I just realized something. I never unvoted.

Unvote:
Vote: Sotty7

Awesome. I am fascinated.

[vezokpiraka]

If you guys want me to, I can replace out of this game. But I want to hear if you guys want me to.

As long as don't get modkilled (angry face) I am fine with you.

[vezokpiraka]

Mod don't try to find a replacement.
You did a god thing Tazaro. At least now you won't make connection with your scum parteners.

Unvote
Vote Tazaro

Sorry it's becoming impossible to think you are scum. I read you in ISO tried to see other people's opinion. Now I am convinced you are scum.

[vezokpiraka]

EBWOP : Now what are you doing?
You make me post something and ninja me?
Vote still stands though.

[vezokpiraka]

Indeed I forgot a not.

[vezokpiraka]

And tazaro comes ctrushing down in a river of wine. And it's all in front of me.

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Humble
1) No I did not know that was the hammer. I remember someone telling me Tazaro is at L-2.
2)After the first day I thought the obvious choices for watching were either Oso or Humble Poirot.

[vezokpiraka]

I watched someone tonight.
Do you want me to out more Power Roles or should I shut up and say nothing?

[vezokpiraka]

Ok.
I targetted Humble Poirot. I thought that he was a possible target for a scum kill and visited him.
He was visited by kagelord and someone else. That someone else knows who he is so I don't want to out another PR.

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The last person who visited Humble is either scum PR or protective role.
It's not like we have another information gatherer.
It doesn't help the town at all to know who is that. If scum know who is it they will either NK him or WIFOM us to death.

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The other person who targetted Poirot is xvart.

Now can you please tell us who is the misteryous person who are you talking about?

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Do you know why I didn't watch the claimed PRs?
Because I thought the doctor will go after them.
I was sure KG was going to be doc protected.
I considered diddin scummy and I wouldn't watch him because even if he was town scum won't kill him.

I watched Oso night 1 cause he gave me strong town vibes.
I watched Humble Poirot the second night because of that too.

Also why did xvart visited humble ?

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I think xvart is the doc like I said before.
If you will tell us who you targeted night 1 I may change my opinion.

[vezokpiraka]

I saw two town roleblockers.
I saw one in normal big mafia 114 and one in a mini normal game on another site.

You said I slipped when I said TOWN watcher.
Have you ever seen scum claim town xxxx?
I sure didn't.
The town is way overpowered.

Let's say sotty and diddin are scum.
We have : watcher , tracker, cop and doc +neighbours on our side. They have 2 roleblockers max.
Let's say one of the tracker/watcher is scum. They have 2 PR and we have 4 at least plus neighbours.

This game should be easy for us to win.

[vezokpiraka]

I am convincede sotty is scum.
I forget to vote for some reason after day 2.

vote Sotty

[vezokpiraka]

Your plan is intresting to say the least.
Only one small problem. If the scum have a Ninja Godfather or something to that effect your plan fails misserably.
But I agree with the plan and I will follow it although I don't like how I am the only one not protected.

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A ninja is an untrackable , Unwatchable killer.
A godfather appears townie to cops.
Given the ammount of power in this town I said that there may be a ninja or a godfather.

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Nothing happened at my house.
I am sure Charter will come with a claim and tell us HP is scum.

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Nobody targetted Xvart.

Charter more like scum now.
I can see jay saying he got a cop inspect on HP and try to lynch him. We would then lynch him the other day.
The thing is the scum tried to kill HP. We know that based on xvart claim. Or they didn't NK but that is a 1% chance or somehting.
So jay may be a lyncher on the mafia side to balance some things?

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Note for self : Never play in games hosted by totallynotmafia.

If we mislynch today we are pretty screwed.
Charter is confirmed lyncher cause there is no way three replacements ofund the same spot scummy.
Scum would be stupid to kill or roleblock me just based on my play.
I was town PR in a game and the scum left me alive hoping to force a lynch on me in LyLo.
I was confirmed town in another game and got to endgame. Confirmed town from day 1
More later.

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LATER.

I support a lynch on q21.
He lurked most of the game. Voted the wagon with people on.
I would also support a lynch on Charter.

MOD

I want a votecount.

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After seeing this votecount. Coupling with things in my head I can say.
Oso - Scum. Could be scum tracker. Why are you voting xvart when I am in investigative role like you. The fact is you know he is town. You know I am town. You are trying to fore a lynch on him because you can't kill him.
Hp - town. his play was that of a good townie. I don't want to hear about lynching him except if we are not in LyLo.
q21 - Scum . You are voting xvart. For no reason. Just to stay with your buddy.
charter - Neural. I think he is town but there is still the Hp think. Heh. I don't think I want to lynch him now.
xvart - Town. His play was town He acted like town. Scums are voting for him. He is 90% town in my book.
Vezok - Handsome town.
SSBF - Neutral leaning town. I can't gather much from you.

With that said I will now

unvote Vote Oso

I have the biggest read on him as scum

[vezokpiraka]

What I was saying is this.
Oso knows e is town. He had a cop flip town He should be voting me. But he doesn't. That looks like scum who want to force a lynch on the doc. I don't know how to explain it better but t makes sense for me.

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I went for a walk and thought about things.
I now believe Oso and distrust xvart.
Maybe the mafia no killed night 1 to make xvart a believable role claim. They hadn't knew there are was diddin who would block sotty.
I have no idea why xvart protected humble night 2.Maybe to make his claim more believable.I have seen xvart as scum and he is pretty good.
I think the way the roles it may be balanced.
Think about. Watcher + tracker + cop + JK on town side and 1-2 scum RBer. +ninja or godfather or stuff like that.
If the sums have enough roleblockers and the town doctor actually roleblockks the targets I see how we can have that many investigative roles.

unvote
Vote xvart

I know it's a complete turn but I actually thought about this hard.

[vezokpiraka]

Or WIFOM.
Your last question is fearmongering.
I really think you are scum now xvart.
Tomorrow I may have a different opinion though. All is better with a clear mind.

[vezokpiraka]

The town was way overpowered.
Did the neighbors get randomly selected or did you choose to make the JK and the tracker in a night QT?

This was an impossible win for the scum but because of sotty 's death we lost right then.


Also TNM : Don't make the godfather do the kills. You should let other people to do stuff. Also because of the amount of power fake claiming is impossible.

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We could have used the ability and kill but we found out this during night 3. At that point it didn't matter.