Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)

[Budja]

VOTE: AurorusVox

[Budja]

Do I need a reason?

[Budja]

^ Cathart gets it.

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I could have generated a random reason but why bother.
Slightly uncomfortable with Aurorus now anyway, so consider my vote non-random. (yes, gut, but gut trumps random.)

[Budja]

what do you think of the idea that RVS can generate discussion?

Unexplained votes, especially unexplained votes on a wagon, elicite discussion. I played my part.

(...and for someone not concerned, you are a little jumpy . (I'm getting what I think is a similar feeling to Cathart, you are hiding your feelings beneath your words, trying to act cool under pressure but not quite succeeding.))

[Budja]

unvote, vote Grimmy

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@Scorpion, how much do you believe it was coaching.

[Budja]

unvote, vote Grimmy

[Budja]

unvote, vote Beefster

[Budja]

Yeah, voting with no explanation is really pro-town. </sarcasm>

It can be.

Here's a case for you:
1. assuming I am town. #20 (minor)
2.

d3x: It doesn't really matter how arbitrary a reason is, as long as it's there. I suppose there's no real risk in the vote itself, but when combined with not even caring for even an arbitrary reason, it just doesn't seem townie to me.

^ wishy-washy statement. Says "Doesn't seem townie" but fails to vote me. Also, contradicts above.

First, Budja's starting to bother me

Elaborate.

Uhm, I use sarcasm wherever I go, especially this game, I don't see how that's a scumtell

context matters.

[Budja]

Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.
Also, you call that WIFOM? That doesn't make sense.

[Budja]

Your answered the first question yourself .
I'm perfectly fine with unexplained votes provided the voter is willing to show their cards at some point.

^ its only a minor tell anyway. Not the actual reason for the vote, just a bonus. (and not really WIFOM (If it is, it is negligible)).

[Budja]

Post #20 kinda implied it. But as I said before, point 2 is the important one anyway. Point 1 was mostly tacked on. (...and I don't think you know what WIFOM means.)

@Xite, difference of opinion I guess. I got a read on Aurorus, we left RVS. Can't say it hasn't worked.

[Budja]

^ good posting.

I'm going to ignore all "unexplained vote" discussion from now. Its not scummy.

Xite comes off town.
Aurorus is newb-town.
Torn on Scorpion.
Beefster is still scum.

[Budja]

No,
1. narrows down PRs (case of 1 Earl), removes PR fear for scum (case of 2 Earls)
2. if an Earl is about to be lynched, they can just claim. Fakeclaims will be outed (or put in a 1-1 situation) at mass-claim (when-ever that occurs).

[Budja]

(I'm getting what I think is a similar feeling to Cathart, you are hiding your feelings beneath your words, trying to act cool under pressure but not quite succeeding.)

what does this say about aurorusvox's alignment?

First scummy, but after later post changed my mind, newb-town.

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@Xite, you miss the point, massclaim is more powerful if we wait.

(Also, I forgot about Adrian, put him as my #2 for active lurking).

[Budja]

Scum are

more likely

to feel discomfort under pressure.

[Budja]

(just say we do, don't ask questions)

, but we

won't

lynch a PR day 1.
Scum fake-claiming is not a big enough worry to warrant a mass-claim.

@Xite, who's your #2?

[Budja]

Scorpion is also a decent lynch.
Ironic that your "anti-rolefishing" speech is pretty blatantly rolefishing.

[Budja]

I suggest you stop this discussion now.

[Budja]

I think Xite is town. I am not getting into PR speculation and neither should you.

nocase is 100% correct here.

(Does anyone have a meta on Scorpion?)

[Budja]

It can be (deja vu).

[Budja]

eg. I am cop. I don't tell you -> pro-town
more generally.
I see something scummy -> I say so without detail -> paranoia -> lots of reads -> reveal
you are too fixed to a single view. Few acts are always scummy. Context matters.

[Budja]

Beginning to see scorpion as obstinate town.

^ Beefster is still scum.

[Budja]

Oi nocase, I've been giving content.
You want more, ask for specifics.

Reads haven't changed.

re. Anti-town, scummy, depends on your definition. Generally I consider them to be separate. One has good intentions, the other hasn't.

[Budja]

^ putting words in other people's mouths?

[Budja]

More pages and my reads have not changed a bit.

Preview:

unvote, vote Adrian

. Still scummy and I like Aurorus's point a few posts back.
Lets just lynch him now and end this day.

[Budja]

Because a quick day is a good day. I have reads I am reasonably confidant with and your arguments with others are clotting up the thread with irrelevance.

[Budja]

A quick day

is

a good day. I subscribe to the SpyreX viewpoint here.

If others don't want to end the day or don't think Adrian is a good lynch, they can decide not to vote for him.
Him and Beefster are lynches I would be happy with.

[Budja]

^
What I mean by the quote is:

A reasonably-quick-day-which-ends-before-it-stagnates-and-everyone-has-suspects-and-lynch-candidates is a good day.

[Budja]

@d3x, the Beefy wagon was being abandoned. nocase had just voted Adrian. If you want to push a wagon onto Beefy instead, I won't object.

@Confid, when people are scummy, they get votes. Wagoning

is

good (@Xscorp, within reason).

[Budja]

See what I mean about stagnation.

unvote, vote Beefster

, Rhinox is more worth keeping around.

[Budja]

^ because I've played with him before.

[Budja]

My fav. lynch candidates: Beefster, Adrian.
Adrian -> Rhinox.
Rhinox is more worthwhile keeping around than Beefster.
Adrian's scumminess largely stems from active lurking.
So I change my vote.

[Budja]

Then I'd be just as happy to vote for him.

[Budja]

You really don't get it.
never-explained votes = bad (generally).
unexplained-at-the-moment votes = ok, sometimes strategically viable.
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Someone hammer Beefster pls.

[Budja]

I wrote this up over night:
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-Scum picks-
d3x
AurorusVox

-Null Pick-
ConfidAnon - Xite91 - hammered Beefy, but other interaction not great

-Town pick-
XScorpion - insanely stubborn - could be scum but I don't feel it.

-Town based on Beefster interaction-
TheButtonmen - prob town 3rd vote on Beefster.
Rhinox - cast L-1 vote, claim reaction.
nocase - vote revived Beefster lynch
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Working largely with elimination here.

vote: d3x

[Budja]

Scorpian did not react to the claim like a scum-buddy.
He play throughout had been attention-grabbing.
He's not likely to be scum.

[Budja]

^ agree with all of this. Moving Confid to town.

unvote, vote Aurorus

[Budja]

Aurorus > d3x >>> Xscorpian.

read Rhinox's post.

[Budja]

@Aurorus, You are probably scum by elimination, further Beefster interaction. Not much you can say.
I've already said why Button is town.

[Budja]

TBM prev. Cathcart is the weakst-ly cleared by Beefster interaction but I do also have a town read.
It would be great if he stopped voting for nocase-town.

[Budja]

Welcome don. ^ Vote for this guy.

[Budja]

I did just finish a game with Aurorus which may have influenced me a bit. I came into this day willing to lynch Aurorus or d3x. Rhinox's post pushed Aurorus out in front.

I'm willing to compromise on d3x, but not scorpian.

@Scorpian, are you willing to vote for either of Aurorus/d3x?

[Budja]

The Lynch Choices Today: Aurorus, d3x, XScorpion.

If you are not voting for one of these people, get your act together.
@nocase, would you be willing to switch to Aurorus to get a lynch?

[Budja]

It would have been better to wait but whats done is done.

[Budja]

Massclaim time.
Scum are almost certainly in this grouping {d3x, xscorpian, maybe don}.
I'd like these three to claim.

[Budja]

d3x claims next
then don_johnson claims.

Then I order doesn't matter.

[Budja]

^ Bingo.

VT here.

vote: d3x

[Budja]

A fun game.

[Budja]

Pity about my Aurorus read but the rest were on target.

The first time I've really have elimination work and I'm pretty pleased with how it went.

@mod, still the power roles ended up having little effect on the outcome anyway.