Open 230 - Bird 7 - Game Over

[XScorpion]

It can't start.
I don't have a role pm, so I suspect no one else does either.

[XScorpion]

Except Phaen isn't scum. How do I know? He hasn't gotten a pm yet.
Way to fail.

[XScorpion]

I know exactly who got a scum pm: NOONE. WE AREN'T PLAYING YET. YOU ARE NOT PLAYING TO YOUR WIN CONDITION. STOP BREAKING THIS RULE:

13)

Play towards your win condition

, but also be civil.

There is nothing on this site that annoys me more than people playing before knowing their role pm. See Open 213.

[XScorpion]

vote Cirdua

Did I insult you in some way? Please let me know, because I wasn't aware that pointing out how you are breaking rules was uncivilized.

[XScorpion]

@Cirdua: Jokes are fine, voting/trying to play without pms is not, in my book.

[XScorpion]

I was under the impression votes from page 1 carried over?

[XScorpion]

Because they did here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 13&start=0

[XScorpion]

Save me from what? Bad logic?

[XScorpion]

Clearly the answer to all your questions is "Robocopter is scum."

unvote
Vote: Robocopter

[XScorpion]

Why?

[XScorpion]

Oh.
Are you scum though?

[XScorpion]

Are you sure?

[XScorpion]

Well Mykonian, if you're scum, go ahead and quickhammer and we can lynch you tomorrow.

[XScorpion]

Now, I wonder, why do you assume the lynch will be incorrect? While you are voting for him!

If you are scum, the lynch will be incorrect. Unless you are bussing your partner for no reason at all?
Your logic sucks.

a) This is despite not really posting his own reasons for wanting to lynch robocopter
b) He didn't insinuate that budja was scum for quickly putting robocopter at L-1, though he insinuates that myk would be scum for quick-hammering
c) If he's as apathetic about a robocopter lynch as it seems from his questions, why doesn't he just unvote robocopter to take away the mislynch that he's convinced it would be?

I'm not sure if you know this or not, so I think I'll tell you: We haven't really left RVS yet. If you think that I've played seriously so far...
but then again this is coming from the guy who thinks hiding information is good for town. Never mind.

[XScorpion]

It seems that you people don't understand what the word "if" means. Let me explain it to you.
You see, people use the word "if" to give an example of a possible situation. For example, "if so and so is scum, then blah" means that blah is true in the case that so and so is true as well. In this case, I'm saying if Myk is scum AND he hammers Robocop right now, then it will be a mislynch. Do I know if he is scum? No. Is he going to quickhammer? No. So where do you get the idea that I think Myk is scum?
I have yet to actually give my views on who I think is scum, yet you people seem to enjoy putting words into my mouth. If so, why do I even need to play? You guys can clearly express my opinions better than I can.

[XScorpion]

I guess you still don't get what the word "if" means. I'll try to explain it some more...

If you are scum, the lynch will be incorrect. Unless you are bussing your partner for no reason at all?

Ok let's break this down.
First, we start with the magical beginning, "if you are scum." Now that the statement begins with these, we have to look at the rest of the statement through the view that Mykonian is scum, because if he isn't scum, then the statement means nothing. I could rewrite it like so:

If you are scum, the lynch will be incorrect. Unless you are bussing your partner for no reason at all?
If you aren't scum, then I know nothing about the situation.

It means the same thing.
OK, now that we are operating under the assumption that Mykonian is scum, we go to the next part - "the lynch will be incorrect." Sounds like you have an ok grasp on this.
And the last part, "unless you are bussing your partner for no reason at all." This indicates simply uncertainty as to whether or not Robocopter is scum, because it offers the possibility that the lynch will be correct AND mykonian is scum.

Now if you could point out exactly where I said anything about my own opinion, I would be much obliged. And let me know if you are still unclear as to what "if" means.

[XScorpion]

And you aren't voting with me because...?
Talk is cheap. Put your vote where your mouth is.

[XScorpion]

It's kinda hard to discuss meta without talking about another game.

[XScorpion]

A lot of good that's doing.

[XScorpion]

Your threat to Myk was serious enough.

I must have missed the part where Myk was proven to be scum and he quickhammered.

Why are you worried that I'm putting a serious case together on you?

Because you're wasting time that could be spent looking for the real scum.

If you're innocent, you should have more than crying about it still being RVS to defend yourself with.

Unfortunately, that's the only defense that I have, because anything else would be a lie.

[XScorpion]

IF he quickhammered, would you have voted him tomorrow?

And Robo flipped town? Yes.

and please don't cry, tears make it hard to read the game. If you were town, you wouldn't make a problem of giving your opinions.

Well you seem to be convinced I'm scum, why do you care if I cry or not?
It's kind of hard to give my own opinions when people have already told me what they are.

[XScorpion]

Then your threat was serious.

I'm of the opinion that he would only have quickhammered if he was scum.

[XScorpion]

That's why he wouldn't do it.
Derp.

[XScorpion]

Do you deny that the threat was serious?

If he quickhammered, I would vote him on the next day. Is this too complicated for you to understand?

Do you think he's scum for not caring if someone quickhammered?

No.

[XScorpion]

You don't even want to hear the possibility that I'm town anymore so I'm not going to waste my time.

[XScorpion]

Perhaps if you spent your time actually answering my questions rather than avoiding them, I might consider you being town, and it wouldn't be a "waste".

Perhaps, but I don't think it's worth my time to try to have a small chance at changing your mind. Seeing as how we seem to be playing the same way in both games right now, I'm not particularly surprised how things are turning out.

[XScorpion]

unvote
Vote: Cirdua

Be useful.

[XScorpion]

Kinda hard to scumhunt when I'm busy spending all my time telling people to stop putting words in my mouth.
I'd like to see you try it sometime.

[XScorpion]

Oh noes, I'm so worried.
Hammer me, I dare you.

[XScorpion]

GG, good luck town.
Lynch that scum moron don johnson.
Gonna guess scumteam is don and robo.

Oh and P.S., maybe my town flip will give AV a clue about wtf he's doing in our other game.

[XScorpion]

Good thing I'm townie, If I was PR you guys would be so fucked.

[XScorpion]

Whatever, scum. You can read what I've said after you see my town flip tomorrow, and I hope you get lynched

[XScorpion]

Sigh.
I told you as I died, but as usual, no one listened to me. Good job.

[XScorpion]

That was the worst hammer ever. Why did no one call you on it...seriously...

[XScorpion]

HE HAMMERED ME
BEFORE ASKING FOR A CLAIM
TOWN DOES NOT DO THAT

[XScorpion]

So you'd risk the possibility that I was a PR too? Interesting.
Can't say I'm that bloodthirsty for lynches, myself.

[XScorpion]

What is this, grade school?
I dared because only greedy scum should be stupid enough to lynch someone before asking for a claim, and especially before waiting for everyone to post. The argument on me was complete nonsense, and pushed by AV-scum, yet you bought it completely. Mykonian didn't even post anything after

you need 3 full sentences to talk 1 sentence straight again. Not a great sign scorpion.

and please don't cry, tears make it hard to read the game. If you were town, you wouldn't make a problem of giving your opinions.

And hell, Cirdua didn't even do anything all game. ANYTHING. So don't go telling me that it was a good idea to lynch me before people were ready.

[XScorpion]

I argue it still isn't a good move.
Cirdua had yet to post, and Mykonian didn't even get a chance to comment on me getting put at L-1. The only person who got to do anything was a mafioso. It would be a good move if Don was a cop and he waited for everyone to post and THEN hammered, but quickhammer is just wrong.

[XScorpion]

That doesn't make hammering the right move.

town should never do that unless they're vanilla, so its a safe mislynch if the person isn't scum.

This might be true in some cases, but definitely not when day 2 is LyLo.

Good play on your part, although that was a pretty risky move, I guess you made the right call.

[XScorpion]

This game was like 3x shorter than it should have been.

[XScorpion]

av and i correctly identified town's weaknesses and used them to our advantage

This.