Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)

[Xite91]

Hi XS!

Vote: XScorpion!

for trying to bring us out of RVS brfore I got my randomvote
Budja, explain
Aurorus , I see no buddying up, just him saying something random in RVS

[Xite91]

being the third vote, yes
even in rvs, i always prefer a reason to the vote
even if it's total crap, only thing is that the 3rd in a game this size should not be a crap reason

[Xite91]

A-hah! there is in fact no post above o\you!
because of that falicy i will vote you with an obvious non OMGUS vote now!

Unvote, Vote:Adrien C

[Xite91]

First, Budja's starting to bother me

A-hah! there is in fact no post above o\you!
because of that falicy i will vote you with an obvious non OMGUS vote now!

Unvote, Vote:Adrien C

LIES!!!

Yah-huh! You were at the top of the page, no one was above you.

All I know, is that your inital reaction looked pretty much like a sarcasm (the 'Fantastic' part), and I learned already that sarcasm is one of the most common reactions when trying to hide uneasy feelings or outright lie your way out of situation (to avoid stupid misinterpretations: I'm talking about the former one right now). So far it's the only thing that looks even remotely interesting (in 'maybe he's a scum' way), so my vote stays for now.

Uhm, I use sarcasm wherever I go, especially this game, I don't see how that's a scumtell

Xite22/23- Do you believe taking us out of the RVS early is a bad thing? How long would you like an RVS go on? Do you buy the 3rd Vote ScumTell?

the 3rd

{Vote}

in a game this size should not be a crap reason

Why?

First question - Not really as long as it's not setup spec (for the most part) or stupid stuff that isn't scumhunting at all. In that case I still call it RVS. But I wanted a reason to vote him, and it was RVS
Second - Uhm because it's a 9 person game so 3 votes = L-2

@Adrien- I'll allow that I asked the question in an odd manner. Let me rephrase... Please comment on something actually happening instead of RVS crap. What are your thoughts on what is legitimately happening in the game

{as opposed to the back and forth with Xite}

. I tend to agree that the RVS benefits Scum more, thus I'd like us out of it.

Uhm, how was that really a back and forth? Besides, that was still RVS and I have high hopes for good content from him when we all decide to stop fooling around (except for me though, because I never stop foolin around, I'll just do it in a more scumhunting way when I deem fit)

Also, Hey guys sorry about this but I just spent about 12 hours at the hospital, and then about 9 hours sleeping because of medicine and lack of sleep. Now I'm on fun medication that makes me super loopy so I'm going to try to play the game but I have to warn everyone how bad that could be. That being said, I lack all energy to scumhunt at the moment, so I'll save you guys the trouble unless I feel it necessary to point out something.

[Xite91]

Yeah, budja but he said sarcasm in general, so I was pointing that out.
Next, you can have a gut feeling on someone and not want to vote the until you're pretty sure especially in a game this small, I do it all the time.

Ok, 3 reasonless votes and now with the explanation, "oh it can be pro-town" but I'm still not sure how so.
Something about you is rubbing me the wrong way.

Sorry Adrien, I gotta take my vote back

Unvote, Vote: Budja

[Xite91]

Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.
Also, you call that WIFOM? That doesn't make sense.

Yeah, but even with a slight explanation, you can make them feel a little more pressured. Honestly, when people vote me without a reason, even if it is a wagon, I feel a lot less pressured than when someone comes at me with a case. I think starting off with a flimsy case is fine, because the rest goes based on their reaction.
Also, I rarely feel pressured when the person changes their vote three times in a row without reason for any of them.

[Xite91]

Confused how that is fair to budja, like I said, though, it's rare to make them nervous without reasons, the only real exception is with noob players, whether they're scum or not, in which case it's completely unfounded suspicion if they react bad. There's only a certain extent you can use that argument, but usually it doesn't go far enough from that to find scum in them because everyone else is going, "can you explain that? That's not how you should vote." And point out that they wouldn't be pressured because it usually leads to nowhere, which makes the noobs more confident for the most part whether they're scum or not.
It is however, a wonderful scumtell when they try to play it off as a great way to add pressure/a good vote without any reasoning behind it

[Xite91]

yeah, but he didn't use any reasons at all.

[Xite91]

It seems like a contradiction in terms though, look

To be fair to budja

, you can vote someone for minor reasons to provide pressure, and build your case off of the resulting responses.

Offering no reasons is...odd, since it doesn't allow the person to defend themselves.

[Xite91]

Okay, so the reason that part didn't make sense to me as to why it was there was because he never gave real reasoning. His first reason was it was a Joke vote, therefore I don't need a reason. After that it was vote,vote, oh yeah, votes without reasons can be used for town, when it's actually just lazy and not useful to town at all, which is why that seemed like it wasn't to do with budja. If he gave his reasons, I wouldn't be voting him unless they were really bad reasons, but he seems to have no reason at all.

[Xite91]

First post: Yeah, but that's one of 3 that he clarified. Also, I thought we clarified that "doesn't

seem

townie does not equal scum"
therefore, he has 1 case out of 3 votes on 3 different people
and that 1 case is invalid in 2 different ways (I don't assume anyone is town, also, him just saying that he "just threw that in on a whim" or however he worded it seems like AtE to me)

[Xite91]

I never told you to vote, honestly if he got to L-1 I would unvote until he claimed, then vote based on his claim and if I think he's telling the truth or not. Just what he's done isn't enough to push a lynch just yet, but definitely enough to put some pressure on him. Not saying I want a claim yet, but I won't let him be lynched (if i have a say about it) until I'm absolutely 95% certain he's scum.
That being said, I'd like a little more from him

[Xite91]

Hey guys, I have a suggestion to move the game forward a little bit faster.
Before you read the suggestion, I would like to point out that this is a yes or no (to the suggestiong) type thing and there is a valid reason for it.

Now that I have said this, I would like the earls to claim
If you don't like this plan just say you don't like it, trust me I will accept that, as long as you accept that I will not at this time give a reason to why.

[Xite91]

Hey guys, I have a suggestion to move the game forward a little bit faster.
Before you read the suggestion, I would like to point out that this is a yes or no (to the suggestiong) type thing and there is a valid reason for it.

Now that I have said this, I would like the earls to claim

If you don't like this plan just say you don't like it

, trust me I will accept that, as long as you accept that I will not at this time give a reason to why.

I meant without an explanation.

[Xite91]

looks like we've got two leading wagons.
who's gonna win the race?

by the way, what are everyone else's thoughts on the earls claiming?
As in yes no, don't give reasons, please and thanks

[Xite91]

you could also give some clarification

[Xite91]

@D3x - I know something that would make them claiming help me to catch scum. I'm actually fairly certain of the setup at the moment. Actually, the best way to catch scum would be a full role-claim in my opinion, because we know that there are only X amount of ways everything works. And if we do it now, scum have no way of having planned out how they were going to claim in the first place. I think if we did, we can win in 2 days easily.

[Xite91]

I'm just saying that given possible outcomes, it would be near impossible for scum to claim anything (aside from VT) without giving themselves away. They do that and they're lynched, they don't and no counterclaims happen, we assume that power roles are legit, and can focus mainly on VTs to find scum.

I dunno, seems like a good plan to me, but I understand, you guys prefer the more... conventional way

We don't have to, I'm just saying that if we use our heads, that might be the best way to catch scum

[Xite91]

i'm caught up. i'll probably reread for some clarification but i'm caught up.

vote: adrien c.
fos: beefster.

Clarification as to why?
And I think I'm still voting budga, he's the scummiest to me at the moment.

[Xite91]

@Xite, you miss the point, massclaim is more powerful if we wait.

How do you figure?
Say we accidentally lynch a power role (just say we do, don't ask questions)
that narrows down the types of setups there can be, making scum more careful in a mass-claim IMO

xite, on a scale of one to ten (one being super town, five being neutral, ten being super scum), where would you place budja?

budja, yes, i do realize you've switched your read on vox, but how does trying to disguise discomfort with cool when under pressure indicate uncomfortable scum as opposed to uncomfortable town?

7 but what's your point? that's not really a case just n opinion

[Xite91]

first part, that was the thing, maybe not day one, but the farther we go in, the more obvious setup becomes. Then it's easier for town to blend.

Trying to get my attention directed off of you? Won't work so well because I keep a good eye on each person, and you're just the one that gets the spotlight from me right now because you seem townie.
But if you

must

know, Aurorus
placeholder voting on me (I would vote you but right now I'm on this person) can be very scummy. Ive seen things where quickhammers go unattended to because the person uses their specific quote.
Honestly, I'm going back to the hospital in about 20 so I'll be gone for a bit (aka 242343 hours ) but as soon as I get back I'm going to do an iso read on everyone. (Maybe not post each and every one of them cuz that would just double the thread in size) and I'll make a "proper" case on him and you and anyone else I see fit when I do

[Xite91]

Scum obv know how to catch scum, because they are. I was not exactly rolefishing aka I wasnt going, hey you, claim. I came out with a suggestion to the whole town.
Second, could be a breadcrumb, but I could have just noticed something you didn't. You won't know until the mass claim, whenever it happens, or when it's too late to use it anymore.

Haha, and no he's not doing FoS, its IGMEOY

[Xite91]

Thing is that I play to win. Not to live. That's why I'm so aggressive most of the time. I like to get things rolling for the end game, even if I won't be there.

[Xite91]

Hey guys, sorry I hate doing this, but my medication is making it super hard to focus, so I'm replacing out of most of my games.

@Mod. please find me a replacement