Open 230 - Bird 7 - Game Over

[don_johnson]

can i be scum with myk?

no role pm here yet either.

[don_johnson]

/confirm

myk, your english is getting better. or is it? IGMEOY

[don_johnson]

Quite the setup, Bird7 is.

how so?

[don_johnson]

^^ and yet... no vote?

vote:xscorp

[don_johnson]

I was under the impression votes from page 1 carried over?

why would they?

[don_johnson]

fancy links won't save you.

[don_johnson]

What a fail argument you guys. Some starting conversation.

I thought you guys were better than this.

a) what makes you think we're serious?

b) if you want conversation started, why don't you start it?

c) who are you meaning when you say "you guys"? and what gave you the impression that said players were "better than this"?

[don_johnson]

a)I'm scum.
b)I did, I said, "Is there a norm Day One for bird7?". A valid conv starter. So I really shouldn't have been complaining in the first place.
c) I'm scum.

Jesus Christ everyone knows I'm scum.

unvote, vote: robocop

[don_johnson]

not sure what i can gather from this xscorp avox argument, but it looks like a whole lot of nothing atm. though i found myself agreeing with myk's original thoughts, xscorp's posts are coming off as genuine frustration. avox seems to be making a mountain out of a molehill, but its reading to me like a town on town argument. you know the kind. the one that happens on every day one. where scum dance around doing nothing and saying things like:

O, My apologies.

Well, hate to be pessimistic but won't we most likely already lynch town today?

how fatalistic. someone doesn't want responsibility...

the actual answer to this question is "no". there's seven players of which two are confirmed town, leaving two scum out of five. so "most likely" is not a particularly appropriate description of our chances and reeks of nondescript acquiescence. yeah, i don't even know what that means, but you get my point.

are we missing someone?

[don_johnson]

Oh noes, I'm so worried.
Hammer me, I dare you.

unvote, vote: xscorp

wrong crowd to be playin that game.

[don_johnson]

saying you're town and flipping town are two different things.

scumdon_johnson is far from a moron. so yeah. try again. thanks for telling us who your buddy is.

[don_johnson]

The best scum players forget they are scum and play like they would as town. But then kill someone during the night.

trudat. this thread needs a reread...

[don_johnson]

reread complete. based on the "one scum on the day 1 townie wagon"

av- posts today seem "fluffy" like yesterday, but he talks too much to be scum.

robo- prolly town what with the vanilla claim under early pressure

dj- obvtown

myk- most likely scum.

off wagon:

cirdua- null read at this point, possible lurking scum. need some content.

1. myk
2. av
3. cirdua

yeah. that's my preference as of now. myk's iso on day 1 is rather poor.

[don_johnson]

You have no reasoning. Stop trying to act cool and play a little more seriously.

maybe you're not getting me here. from my pov there are 2 scum in cirdua/myk/av. the goal is to find which of the three is most likely scum as today is lylo. the thread is 6 pages long. on reread, myk stands out as scummiest. not sure how to build a "case" if thats what you want when the posting has been so minimal. what is becoming more apparent to me, however, is that i don't think myk and av are scum together which means that cirdua is just about 100% scum. so let's wait and hear what he has to say. if you have any specific questions for me, fire away.

[don_johnson]

why don't you reread the thread? let me put it this way:

of the three players in question myk's play on day one most resembles the strategy and style of scum.

try reading the thread again and telling us what you think.

we're waiting on cirdua here, but as i have mentioned, i am beginning to think cirdua is the lynch for today. i think a mykonian/av scum team is a reach.

[don_johnson]

If Mykonian is so scummy, what do you make of his defence of you? He's been pretty vocal about how "townie" you are.

its called "buddying". if myk is scum, then he knows i'm town and is going to play to that effect to garner my support. its mafia 101.

Would you lynch Mykonian over Cirdua?

at this point, no. the more i think about this the less i see av/myk as a possibiility.

Were you trying to be funny with the way you worded that or have you just done something that you accused someone else of doing? :\

this makes me chuckle.

robo: if both scum are hiding in av/myk/cirdua, who of those three do you think is town?

[don_johnson]

you are about as bright as the inside of a brick shithouse.

i'm the cop. i investigated you.

now please pay attention and use this as a learning experience. a town on town vote ends the game. please answer my question, because at this point in time i think cirdua is the most likely to be scum of the 3 players in question.

[don_johnson]

actually i think i did a good job. but whatever. what we need to do is figure out who cirdua's partner is. i was hoping to not have claimed this early. at this point, his contribution is going to be tainted with wifom. either way, i do not see a myk/av scumteam at all.

vote: cirdua

let the chips begin to fall, i'm off to bed.

[don_johnson]

o well. i expected this, but i expected it from cirdua. i guess when your buddy lurks, you have to do what you have to do. thanks for making tomorrow easier. so, let me get this straight, you wanted to investigate someone and find them "town"? how on earth were your town reads on me and budja so strong? sorry, but i make it a point to act a little scummy when i have a power roler so as to avoid nightkills. my play on day 1 was certainly not stellar(though my cop moves have been ) and you "joped to investigate someone as town", so you choose aurorous? wouldn't that mean that you had a town read on aurorus, then? that would give you a total of three town reads out of six players. did you doubt your ability to find one of two scum out of the remaining three?

[don_johnson]

meh. sorry robo. i think i can explain this a bit better. myk's explanations seem extremely presumptuous.

first, his investigation choice seems based on the "fact" that he felt budja, myself, and av were town. why on earth would he play in that fashion? he's presuming players are town without evidence. you yourself questioned his "meta" argument for me.

then he jumps in to day 2 trying to coerce hyposcumcirdua to counterclaim him. so basically, he investigates av as scum, and then decides that you and i are town 100%. my theory here is that myk instructed cirdua in the qt to come out with a cop claim if budja didn't flip cop. unfortunately for myk, cirdua is v/la/lurking. so myk has taken control and is gambitting for the win.

hopefully when you reread, you'll see that my play is much more pro-town(maybe not my posting style, but certainly the substance of my actions and night choice). also, please note how myk is attempting to discredit av as opposed to presenting a case against me. he is again presumptuous about av's suspicions. a players opinions can change based on in game play, but myk is accusing av of not being "static" in his scumlist. i can't speak for av, but this game is dynamic and i am often myself struck by moments of great clarity. not to mention on i'm on a vicious town win streak. feel free to ask any questions.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: mykonian.

bring it home tomorrow. cirdua is #2.

[don_johnson]

that was fun. i take pride in these smaller games. i find them infinitely harder to win as scum. good job av.

[don_johnson]

i would have hammered as town. you dared me to. i love to hammer. and you asked for it. from my town pov, town should never do that unless they're vanilla, so its a safe mislynch if the person isn't scum. it is extremely important to secure a town lynch on day 1 in these smaller games imo, so i made a decision to play aggressively. i actually thought cirdua was the cop. i was hoping to get cirdua lynched before he got back. myk threw me a curveball, but it was easy to take advantage of. i think my story was entirely plausible, and i noticed the same change in emotion that robo did in myk's posting. i'd like to here his take. i thought he came off as nervous. that helped my case.

[don_johnson]

budja: thanks. i was hoping you were the cop. i think i had myk pegged as vanilla. doc's a good n1 kill, but i really felt pressure to gun down the cop. who did you protect?

[don_johnson]

"go big or go home."

i was actually reaaalllly hoping for a robocop lynch.

[don_johnson]

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/riRFZuaKYt8zJ

scum qt

[don_johnson]

myk: i know you're frustrated, but please give credti where credit is due. av and i correctly identified town's weaknesses and used them to our advantage. i do not take offense to the idea that the victory was "stolen", but the name of the game is "mafia". there is no reason the scum team should play fair. you also have to realize that it was partly your own play which helped to confuse robo. personally i think you should have come out stronger against av from the start of day 2. you weren't acting like you had a guilty on him, though i understand your line of questioning, you shouldn't have let yourself be corraled into the idea that cirdua was his partner. i think you played well, don't get me wrong, i just think scum played better this time. we did everything we needed to do to win.