Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)

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i'm caught up. i'll probably reread for some clarification but i'm caught up.

vote: adrien c.
fos: beefster.

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you could also give some clarification

about?

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you are concerned already. Why is that? Something to hide?

loaded question, possibly role fishing.

(I'm getting what I think is a similar feeling to Cathart, you are hiding your feelings beneath your words, trying to act cool under pressure but not quite succeeding.)

what does this say about aurorusvox's alignment?

All I know, is that your inital reaction looked pretty much like a sarcasm (the 'Fantastic' part), and I learned already that sarcasm is one of the most common reactions when trying to hide uneasy feelings or outright lie your way out of situation (to avoid stupid misinterpretations: I'm talking about the former one right now). So far it's the only thing that looks even remotely interesting (in 'maybe he's a scum' way), so my vote stays for now.

sarcasm is not a scum tell. case closed.

yo, xscorpion, i got my eye on you.

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no to the earl mass claim.

xite, do you still fos budja?

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xite, on a scale of one to ten (one being super town, five being neutral, ten being super scum), where would you place budja?

budja, yes, i do realize you've switched your read on vox, but how does trying to disguise discomfort with cool when under pressure indicate uncomfortable scum as opposed to uncomfortable town?

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FoS nocase for not having a case (ironic) on adrien c when we are clearly out of RVS, and dodging Xite's request for an explanation.

i love how people always thinks they're so clever when they figure out my name. have a cracker. now keep on fosing me for my play style. see where it gets you.

i have a scum read on adrien and a weaker scum read on beefster. both are gut reads.

something about you seems off. therefore, igmeoy. i'm still mulling it over.

Voting without reasoning is anti-town

voting without (immediately) stating a reason is neither anti-town nor scummy. this should not even be a point of debate. as someone who's been playing on this site for as long as you apparently have, you should probably know this.

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providing a reason in a later post provides double the reaction. first there's the reaction to the vote, then there's the reaction to the explanation. and sometimes revealing your line of thought is just not the optimal move at a given point in time.

experienced scum tend not to vote with no justification any more than experienced townies, because they know it's frowned upon by a lot of players and they don't want that to bite them in the ass.

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nocase is 100% correct here.

i always am.

Though at this rate, active lurking Adrien C is going to take the top spot in no time...

WAY AHEAD OF YOU, BRO.

The way I see it, if you have a power role, don't tell anyone unless you have to because you don't want the scum finding out.

I apologize, guys. RL stuff has kinda limited me lately and when I've had the chance to get on, I had three other games to worry about. But my schedule is opening up. Going to re-read things and post thoughts later.

looks like you're keeping up with the conversation. leads me to think the second quote is kind of bs, you know?

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so aurorus, who are you fosing now?

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the line between scummy and anti-town is distinct and should be highlighted.

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the line between scummy and anti-town is distinct and should be highlighted.

this truth we hold to be self-evident. do not argue otherwise.

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wtf? he was one of the founding fathers. he wrote the declaration of independence. i don't know what you're talking about.

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he also banged his slaves but that's beside the point.

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@nocase/XS- On topic plz?

we are. don't get grumpy because we frittered away two posts.

not sure if i want to make something of xscorpion guiding our argument into joke territory. he's so lovable i don't want to condemn him.

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this post is funny. remind me to come back to it later if we hit the doldrums.

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actually, no, i reread it and you make a good point. not voting beefy is okay with me. now vote someone else. whip crack.

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because i said so.

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learn to read scorp.

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it is sort of obvious . . . ? answer anyway, vox, and vote your number two.

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smooth move, vox. for the love of delicious, tell us your secondary fos.

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god. no. it's not blurry. not inherently, anyway. gtfo, son.

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unvote. vote: xscorpion.

he's a slippery guy.

need more content from budja. don't make me fos you, budja.

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damn, you're quick. you lurker, you! *pinches cheek*

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please write back.

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yup, that's right, scuttle back into your lurker cave.

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the "xite is kamikaze scum" theory is dumb.

xscorpion, what are your trying to do at this stage of day one?

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be more specific.

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this is what you call scum hunting?

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I'm looking towards XScorpion and Beefster, but not sure which yet.

scum.

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xscorpion, what do you think of what i just quoted?

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[quote="xscorpion"I think AdrienC is getting other people to scumhunt for him.[/quote]
right, so . . . ? i feel like i'm talking to a tight-lipped robot.

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my point - i was hoping your answer would include some stance on what it says about his alignment.

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you're useless.

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more votes on xscorpion please.

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I'm in too many games and it's affecting my performance here. I'm replacing out.

coward.

Also nocase . . . I am nadroj15.

i know who you are, son.

Lately, nocase has given me bad vibes. He seems kinda... manipulative.

wow, i've never been called manipulative before. do you mind if i quote that? sort of cool.

He's not very good about his reasoning

really? where?

he baits scumhunting in a really subtle way

subtle? i'm even more pleased. i never considered subtlety my forte. i don't see how i was being subtle, either, but i'll take it for what it works. thanks, bud.

by trying to look like he's contributing to the discussion

i always contribute.

It's like he's an IC in a newbie game who uses his IC status to hide his role.

lolwut?

you seem to have a fundamental misconception about my convo with xscorpion. i'm not trying to appear to be coaxing him into hunting scum. i'm demonstrating that he's not reacting to things in a way that a townie with a vested interest in hunting scum ought to. i'd hoped you might perceive on your own, but regardless - if i had explicitly pointed it out earlier then i wouldn't have gained the fruit of the extended convo, which is this: i repeatedly prodded xscorpion for a stance on adrien c's alignment based on adrien's recent maneuver (which xscorpion even interpreted as "getting other people to scumhunt for him"), and xscorpion repeatedly refused to give one. he didn't interpret adrien as being scum, or "lazy" scum, or town, or "lazy" town. he didn't even make it clear that the whole thing was a null tell. nope. he just concluded adrien a lazy bastard, which on its own is a thousand percent irrelevant to adrien's alignment.

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also, i can't decide whether that last post by beef was scummy or not. i'm really torn.

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xscorpion's play kinda bleeds scum buddies with about half the players in this game so that's awesome and yeah.

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bzzt. you have twelve hours to remedy that fail train of brain. ready, go.

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nice not-so-subtle guiding hand.

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there was no specific element for me to meta. i'm not going to wade through your whole goddamn life story to get a general feel for your play, if that's what you're hoping for. that post was extremely shady, as if your play isn't shady enough already.

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i'm learning how you play right now. stop being bitchy.

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no. meta is overrated. much of what i can learn about you doesn't require that i know your alignment.

you have done absolutely nothing for several pages now but spew tough talk and maybe some theory. when somebody pressures you - god, somebody in a game of mafia actually you of not being town? - you throw a tantrum and instantly smear shit on everything that certain somebody says. well played, xscorpion. you da man.

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i do think that.

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thanks!

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"he was erratic as town, and i don't know how he plays as mafia, so i've got a town read on him now."

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unvote. vote: adrien c.

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yup.

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you're a slippery one, xscorp.

budja, my curiosity has been left unquenched but fair enough.

xscorp, that's how some players roll regardless of alignment.

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why did he feel the need to clarify who he was unvoting? It seemed like he wanted to point out who he was allegedly voting, as though, perhaps, he had realised that he hadn't voted Budja and wanted to pull the wool over our eyes.

okay, sigmund freud.

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hey beefster, look, xscorpion is ostensibly coaxing confidanon into scum-hunting. aren't you gonna fos xscorpion like you fosed me?

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sorry, fos you for that specific misstep.

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I'm in too many games and it's affecting my performance here. I'm replacing out.

coward.

This just seems odd to me- attacking him over replacing out? It happens.

that post was hardly serious. you should have the mental capacity to grasp as much. if you don't then i don't know how you even made it here in the first place. no offense, sir.

everywhere. I'll answer this better next time I post.

answer it now, whelp. stop ducking and dodging and procrastinating. if you are not going to intelligently answer the questions directed toward you then do not answer at all. likewise, if you are not going to intelligently post then do not post at all.

hiding something?

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm - educate yourself.

Eh. I worded it wrong. You're contributing to the conversation, but not the discussion. (if that makes any sense)

i have a vested disinterest in theory bs half the players here are wading into and i have an even more vested disinterest in the vacuous "discussion" you specifically have partaken in. i am producing game-relevant content and i am hunting scum. the two go hand in hand. i'm satisfied with it. if you're not then you should take a long hard look at your own output. it does not impress.

See my newbie game where I played as scum with Oman. He was accused of doing it...

wow.

1. this is not a newbie game.
2. as such, there are no ics.
3. non-newbie games are a notch above newbie games.
4. i am not oman. i do not commit the same standard scum tells as him - as if there are any consistent standard scum tells to speak of in the first place. if you want to treat your games like newbie games then go back to the newbie queue.

I'm really not a fan of this defense from 2 pages back. See italicized notes.

you ignored the bulk of my defense. awesome mode of argument, bud.

In general, it seems like nocase is trying to defend himself without looking like it's even a problem. It's like he was expecting suspicion on him or something.

you had JUST fosed me. there's no expectation involved. jesus christ.

Aside from that, I see his point on XS.

oh? that's it? lol. go-go gadget laziness.

adrien was a shred ahead of you on my hit list, but this is beyond insufferable. your logic sucks, your lazy show of scum hunting bleeds through every pore of your existence, you dodge very basic questions, and your attempts to cover up your lack of reasoning with rhetoric induce headaches.

unvote. vote: beefster.

get lynched please.

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shit quoting is shit. you get the idea.

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sup.

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a beefy/xscorp team would be a great ego boost.

vote: xscorpion.

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ah, yes, quick hop to a vote on someone i was previously voting on day one . . . that was just before i made a slight detour to lynch scum, correct me if i'm wrong.

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dunno.

why don't you do something useful while you wait for an answer?

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'Dunno?' What kind of stupid answer is that? It sounds to me like you are just hopping on AV's bandwagon without actually thinking.

god, i don't know. has it crossed your mind that i might not be voting you for that reason? or have you already forgotten my day one suspicion of you? i realize such complex mental exercise may be a shred too difficult for you.

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You know you could have at least TRIED to be helpful to town by giving just a one sentence (at least!) explanation for your vote other than just throwing it out there.

sure.

i think you're scum. it's partly a gut read, and it's partly due to connections between you and beef. there are a couple of other players who interest me but for all intents and purposes you're at the top of the shelf; they don't warrant discourse as things stand.

now please make some contribution other than repetitive vitriolic defenses.

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i read it. switch scorp and vox.

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hey button, where's that post?

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can somebody please wax philosophical about the apparent lack of scum hunting done by xscorpion this game?

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yes, xscorpion, i do. i've been playing my cards close to my vest but given that i think i've left a relatively transparent train of thought. thank you for finally admitting that you are in fact being completely useless. if you "haven't got any idea what to do," why don't you start by analyzing other people's cases or interactions, or rereading the thread, or reading some players in isolation, or . . . god, i don't know, the usual things you do when you play mafia.

vox technically isn't far less likely to be scum than d3x, but his play looks honest and i don't buy the case against him.

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i'm halfway out the door so i'll answer scorp later, but on another note if there's a cop in this game and he has an innocent report on someone not the doc then this is practically auto win for town (newbie 805). might want to look into that.

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unvote. vote: xscorpion.

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that's right. forgot about roleblocker. in newbie 805 the roleblocker was lynched day one.

never mind then.

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yeah, see above. goddamn it.

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goddamn it, button.

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content, button.

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i said that i'd reread it and no longer thought it was important. he made a good point.

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d3x, why xscorp?

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As scum why would scorpy draw more attention to himself with his post-claim antics?

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why would scorp risk drawing a line like that between himself and his scum buddy?

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my previous question was meant for d3x. sorry, vox, baby.

vox, how okay or not okay are you with getting lynched today?

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no, vox. answer my question role-related info aside.

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xscorpion, i appreciate your criticism. why don't you back it up with doing something remotely meaningful at some point in this game?

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you know, don't answer the question. it's too wifomable.

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what does everyone think of col.cathart's play?

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As someone voting me, I don't understand your need to ask any of these questions. Do you want me lynched? Or are you looking for someone to answer these questions because you want someone to confirm your suspicions?

i don't mean to be snarky but excuse me while i don't answer this question. i can get around to it later if you want me to.

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i put on my robe and wizard hat.

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gg play again?

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pokemon sucks. i'm going to bed.

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i hate to keep bothering you guys but what do you think of the stance on xscorpion's post-claim behavior d3x expresses in posts 399, 404, and 435?

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RAGE

oh good i outed myself with a post that didn't even have anything in it.

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okay vox is town; lynch xscorp or d3x please.

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remind me why i have a town read on budja.

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oh, that's right.

well.

unvote. vote: d3x.

can we please lynch today? preferably not vox.

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budja, is your experience with vox a factor in your read on him?

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whoa, somebody stop letting me fail.

unvote.

scorpz, why did you buy beef's cop claim?

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beef was getting lynched for sure. what would you have expected him to do to save his neck?

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another wagon such as . . . ?

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Well I liked the Budja wagon, and no one seemed to complain when I voted for him.

interesting. at one point, when beef had four votes, you voted me, which put me at either three or four votes, can't remember which. you seemed to be flailing as the wagon on beefy escalated.

guys, observe scorp's behavior as the wagon on beefy escalated.

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rhinox, the first two times i read your case i didn't buy it. i just reread it and i like it better than i did before but i'd rather cling to my gut town read on vox.

d3x's play on day one seemed very cloak-and-dagger to me. hard to put into words. also a gut read.

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and here comes scorpie pushing the policy lynch. whoop, whoop!

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fine.

unvote. vote: aurorusvox.

vox, you are at l-1. claim, please.

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does this mean we get to lynch scum tomorrow?

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well, i thought he was cop. now that the doc can't tell us who he saved and we have no clears can we please get on with a semi-intelligent lynch? thanks in advance.

vote: xscorpion.

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and I assumed he was the protected kill.

yeah.

i'm for the mass claim. i was going to propose it when i logged on. no-lynching is for pansies.

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unvote. vote: d3x.

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did i claim? vanilla townie.

unvote.

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you're awfully certain that today won't be the last day, scorp.

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you're not even attempting to look like you have the slightest interest in catching scum.

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vote: xscorpion.

would a wagon help?

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Well the fact that all my reads in this game have been wrong kind of hurts my motivation.

which of your reads have been wrong?

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unvote. vote: d3x.

you are at l-1. say something clever.