Open 233: Ninja Mafia Boogaloo - Over!

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I think I'll throw in some random questions... With 18 players, it might be difficult to get the Day 1 ball rolling.

1. Pepsi or Coke?
2. Favorite Setup?
3. How would you describe your meta?
4. Win/loss record?
5. Maximum number of games you'll play in at one time?

1) Diet Coke (with a LOT of Jagermeister)
2) My favorite aetup would have to be the Mornington Crescent (Semi-Open) setup. However, I much prefer the Norrington Rules subset of the Ninth Olympiad World Tournament -- it simply makes it soooo much easier to hunt for scum when you don't have to worry about the unlimited dayvig kills from either side. That being said, you can also never go wrong when you're playing with Restricted World Format rules (but be careful that they aren't slipping in some underhanded mechanic like, for example, Three Game-ending Jesters {with more than 35 players} or some such nonsense. This is why I much prefer the unmodded, "party" versions available in most local bars these days).

....Sorry, what was the question?
3) YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE META
4) ....in what?
5) More than you.

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Oh, and

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I unvoted to see if you schlubs were paying attention.

Two of you are.

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Avoiding questions?? What are you hiding?

unvote

Vote: silverbullet

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Fineee I'll answer... I was looking and couldn't find the game... though I could have sworn I played with beefster before... Maybe I'm losing my mind as beef didn't show any love to me in his posts.

This -- is totally, completely scummy. YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS FOR BEEFSTER. You are answering them FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF US.

Thus, you are trying to

keep information to yourself.

Scum.

My vote remains, and now with extra bonus Good Reason.

And to the rest of you: I have a unique playstyle. You don't like it, too damned bad.

I unvoted for precisely the reason I stated: To see if you people were PAYING ATTENTION. Some are, some are NOT.

I knew where my vote was (or wasn't, in this specific case). I

always

know where my vote is, and I never post without knowing that.

I engage, from time to time, in "tests" and "traps" designed to see what people are thinking. If you can't handle Advanced Scumhunting 101, you're on the wrong site.

Good day, sirs.

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I think that you self-describing as "unpredictable" is quite accurate. Crafty, one might also say.

Who's your scumpal?

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Please explain why not answering those RQS is scummy.

I will grant you that this

specific

instance of not answering

those particular

questions is not, in and of itself, scummy, it does point to a larger meta on SB for tending to withhold information (which is scummy).

What do you think about the people who are "paying attention"?
What about those who aren't?
Do you have proof of other games where you have pulled a "test" like this before?
What has your advanced scum hunting 101 yielded and why haven't you shared it with the group?

Those who are are (mostly) reading town to me.

Those who aren't are obviously skimming scum.

All my games are in my wiki.

It's far too early to tell who's who. Give me a while.

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I can't argue my meta read on SB without outing my main account, so I'm going to drop it. Make of that what you will.

And, whoever asked, I can't provide examples of using traps, as they're all in ongoing games. Sorry.

I am not the lynch you're looking for today. Make of

that

what you will.

I need to re-read and find real scum now (likely not SB).

Oh, and AGar: I am not flailing. I did mention something that I am now unable (unwilling, actually) to back up; that's the extent of my crime.

More later tonight.

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These are not the droids you are looking for.

Seriously, don't click this.

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I ... just died a little inside.

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I have failed. In looking back at a couple of games, I had SB confused with a different player (who shall remain nameless).

I have now successfully painted myself into a very bad corner, and I have no idea what to do about it.

More later.

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-Shattered

Is it later yet?

It is, for certain values of later. However, real content won't be here (from me) for a few more hours.

I'll start with the important bit. L-2 does not mean it's time to claim.

I agree.

@Shattered Viewpoint, how big a tell do you think paying attention is? Or do you think it's a tell at all?

I firmly believe that scum tend to (generally) skim through the thread, and therefore don't give the game the same level of attention that town players do. Therefore,

in certain circumstances,

I feel that lack of attention can be a scumtell.

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Actually, I seem to be at L-3.

@Mod: votecount, please?

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@SV
I said it before: I doubt scum skim, they are more careful than everyone else imo. Pretty pathetic reasoning there.

Why exactly do you think scum skim?

Because I've seen it. Scum drop in from time to time, read the shortest posts, contribute very little that's actually relevant, and once in a while they skate by and don't get lynched.

I unvoted to see if you schlubs were paying attention.

Two of you are.

I don't see how it would make sure we're paying attention. Yes, it will let you see who noticed, but I don't see how that would help you find scum.

Scum skim. Skimming == NOT PAYING ATTENTION. Which is precisely what you're doing here, good Sir.

unvote

Vote: SmashBro

I am not the lynch you're looking for today. Make of

that

what you will.

I need to re-read and find real scum now (likely not SB).

Oh, and AGar: I am not flailing. I did mention something that I am now unable (unwilling, actually) to back up; that's the extent of my crime.

This first line doesn't sit well to me. i get the star wars thing, but I'm wondering why he said "today".

It's a generic "today" -- not that I'll be the lynch for tomrrow, either. Rolefish much?

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If you can't handle Advanced Scumhunting 101, you're on the wrong site.

The way I worded that was slightly off, but this is the quote that irks me.

Regarding SV: There is nothing wrong with being an arrogant bastard. Whatever get's the job done right?

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and shattered, please explain to me why exactly you think skimming is scummy?

I'll do my best. What grade level reading comprehension would you like? (I only ask because I've already explained this here and here. But if you really, really, honestly need me to make it a little more understable for you, I'll try. Do you have a language preference? Can I get you some more coffee while I'm up? Are you comfortable? Can I get you anything else?)

("I have seen it before" doesnt cut it)...

Why not? I've seen the sun rise in the morning; do I need to get a degree in astrophysics to prove to you that it does, and will likely continue to do so?

you have never seen a bored vanilla townie skim or any town for that matter?

I have. I lynch them, too. If you aren't going to actively participate in a game, don't sign up for that game. Simple, really.

What about someone who lacks the time?

What about them? Their personal circumstances are not my problem. Next, should I try to solve homelessness or end world hunger? Just tell me, apparently I'm only here to solve your problems.

Have you ever been scum?

Yes. I'd refer you to my wiki page, but apparently you cannot be bothered to do any original research; rather, you seem content to allow other players to do all your homework for you. That being said, I've been scum in this game, this one, and this one. (The careful reader will be able to find my main account's identity in one of those games. I've been scum many more times there than here.)

Can you please provide examples of scum skimming. (completed games please)

See the above quote about doing your homework. I leave the solution as an exercise for the reader.

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So I think these arguments that SV is town because the wagon moved fast are pretty silly given that there are only 4 scum in the game, so with 7-8 players on his wagon the majority of those are almost certainly town, BUT I still like SC for scum more than SV, silverbullet is reading town to me right now and SC's vote on him looks more like an excuse to have a serious vote down than reasoning behind silver being scum.

This is not a newbie game; therefore, I expect him to know better than to think he should be ignoring questions most of the time. Willfully ignoring a player is scummy.

I'm having trouble with this. Who, exactly, do you think is avoiding questions?

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I must say, SmashBro is doing a FINE JOB OF LURKING. We'll get to him tomorrow.

For now,

Vote: enigma

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If you're concerned with smashbro's activity, why not ask for a prod?

We'll get to him tomorrow.

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Not much has changed. Still voting Enigma. Still waiting for everyone else to do the same.

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Not much has changed. Still voting Enigma. Still waiting for everyone else to do the same.

ConfidAnon wagon is so much better, SV. You know it, too.

Confid can be tomorrow.

Enigma today.

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Also, it would help me if some of you ask me a few questions and direct my attention towards some issues you think are important.

Beefster you have a good point.

tumescence, you need to post more and build your own cases. WE WILL NOT SPOONFEED YOU DAMMIT.

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I can't believe I'm being called scummy for a jokingly random vote

No, you're being called scummy because you are; among other things. (Useless springs quickly to mind. But I digress.)

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Vote: Zajnet

Totally unrelated:

WE WILL NOT SPOONFEED YOU DAMMIT.

Oh, damn, I'm channeling Ythan.

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Okay. Chronopie is lurking worse than I am. (And that's saying something.)

Vote: Chronopie

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the entirety of the English language, one word at a time

1) I hate you.

B) I will not justify my actions or words. RTFT.

iii) Learn to quote, n00b.

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OK, you are just an asshole. I now have a vendetta against you.

Bring it.

If, of course, you think you

can.

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Shattered Viewpoint, why are you engaging in belligerent behavior?

Why do you feel the need to question my actions? Do you think my belligerence is somehow connected to my alignment? Why, all of a sudden, are you questioning ME?

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Silly boy. Don't answer questions that weren't asked of you.