NY 117: The Vanillaside (Game over)

[Seraphim]

Alright.

Vote: Socrates

Korts is right on the money though not for the reasons he thinks.

[Seraphim]

What can I say? I'm an intriguing person.

This post bothers me immensely for some reason I cannot communicate. It's probably gut ATM.

[Seraphim]

Also, why in the fuck are we discussing killing confirmed town especially when it's Reck for God's sake.

[Seraphim]

I know which is why I'm not pushing the wagon too hard yet.

[Seraphim]

hmmmmm. Socrates, at the moment, seems town. My scumdar ticks in other directions.

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Vote: RayFrost

I suspect one of RayFrost/SSBF is scum. They are not scum together. RayFrost's play in this game reminds me of his play in another game where I replaced him as scum(you left me quite a shitload which I got lynched for if I recall). SSBF, on the other hand, seems rather forceful with his wording and seems to enjoy being helpful without being helpful, such as his time storage idea in his fifth post, information instead of analysis. Or rather, analysis without actual meaning.

Of the two, I will vote RayFrost for now because of my experience with his play.

[Seraphim]

Exactly. I am very much looking forward to actual content from you.

[Seraphim]

SSBF is scummy for reasons strangely not outlined in DemonHybrid's post. Hmmm...

bussing or not...legitimate or not...

[Seraphim]

Hey guys, can we lynch Vezokpiraka? He confirmed but didn't post until now, obviously meaning he was getting coached in the scum QT.

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Vote: Vezokpiraka

[Seraphim]

Why can you explain your absence but you can't explain why DemonHybrid is scummy?

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: DemonHybrid

Did a reread. Yep. Though I'm still watching Vezok.

[Seraphim]

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Vote: Vezo

Right now I'm just following Socrates and Spyre BTW.

[Seraphim]

I don't like the way Seraphim keeps changing his votes. Are you going to follow up *any* of them?

Eventually, yes. Am I not allowed to change my mind?

[Seraphim]

Does that make me town or scum?

[Seraphim]

What am I trying to accomplish? I'm trying to find scum, that's what I'm trying to accomplish. What are

you

trying to accomplish?

[Seraphim]

Does that make me town or scum?

Right now, I personally have a null leaning town read on you. However, I personally disliked ISO: 10 as stated before.

That was directed at Socrates. Your post was straight forward enough.

[Seraphim]

^ This is good posting.

[Seraphim]

All of DH posts are scummy.

Yeah. Elli is town. That's all for now.

Not good enough. You still have provided no reasoning, however weak. WHY is DH scummy? HOW are his posts scummy?

This scum obviously needs more pressure and therefore more votes.

[Seraphim]

Where the fuck is Jack?

[Seraphim]

^ This is good posting.

This is good posting.

Hey, Mr. Confirmed Town, get on the Vezok wagon already.

[Seraphim]

That's what I thought.

[Seraphim]

Mod: prod Jack plz

[Seraphim]

I couldn't find what I was looking for. Forget it.

Okay now I'm curious. What exactly were you looking for?

[Seraphim]

Hey, Incognito, you were a reviewer for this game...what sort of thoughts do you have about the set-up in its current state from your unique standpoint?

[Seraphim]

Unvote

I still want Vezo to claim.

[Seraphim]

Vote: Vezok

despite any misgivings Socrates might have, I have no problem lynching someone who doesn't even want to play the game.

[Seraphim]

Vezok, play the goddamn game. Honestly, you signed up to play it, can you put forth some effort please and stop playing like Empking?

[Seraphim]

You should stop playing like Empking because minimalist contribution is very much anti-town and not fun to play with.

[Seraphim]

Meanwhile, Seraphim is very blatantly riding vezok's wagon. Even if the wagon is somewhat better than the alternatives, I don't like its speed, the comfort with which all its voters seem to handle the situation, and the fact that Seraphim in particular seems awfully sure of himself. I really don't like this behavior. I don't agree with Socrates that DH should be looked at of all those people on vezok's ass, and I don't see why he didn't see Seraphim as the scummiest of the bunch.

So I'm not allowed to be confident in my vote. That's basically what you're saying. I think Vezok deserved each and every one of those votes. I am here to play this game. I'm assuming that everyone else here is as well. Vezok is not playing the game. He showed up, put a vote down on the most ample wagon, and expected us to swallow it. Bullshit. Even with his PBPA, I can see no coherent reason why he's voting DemonHybrid. I would even accept gut more than the minimal effort.

That being said...his play doesn't look like he's being coached. So he's either ignoring the scum quicktopic or he's town and actually believes what he's saying. Either way, I don't like his play at all.

Now, concerning lynching Reck...I think I'll have a larger post concerning some internal dialogue regarding that subject. In the meantime:

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Vote: Nachomamma8

He is playing exactly the same as he was in the last game I played with him. He was scum in the last game I played with him.

[Seraphim]

Reck, you should join me on the Nacho wagon.

[Seraphim]

I'm quite leery about Vezok's sudden switch from DemonHybrid to SSBF when the wagon started fully materializing especially considering how sure he seemed that DH was scum.

Oh well.

I find sera's constant use of meta so far to be bothersome.

"Constant"? I've used it twice.

That being said.

Unvote

I need to reread the game.

[Seraphim]

Looking at Jack's post and Korts' post, I am still not sure why I am being called scum. So I'm just going to ignore it until I can do something about it. Anyway,

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Vote: SSBF

Unlike my previous votes, which were either based on admittedly flimsy meta(RayFrost), lurky/anti-town posting(Vezok), or some combination of the two(Nacho), this one is very much for serious. I am seeing In the meantime, a reread of the game offers a fascinating look into SSBF-scum.

Especially this post and this post, to a degree, offer us a lot of nothing while giving his posts quite a lot of volume. However, the interesting part is how he doesn't follow up with ANY of his "ideas". His day-rationing plan went ignored and, unlike Korts, he's not following it up, not bringing it up again, which seems to indicate that he didn't really believe what he was saying.

Next, we'll cover his resilience to unvoting Vezokpiraka.

He's currently putting forth the minimal effort possible, showing a lack of care for the game.

His response to pressure is much worse then MehPlusRawr's, who at least put forth effort toward defending himself. He has still not answer Socrates's question on who else is scum.

Bolded the important part. There were arguably other players at this point in the game who were putting forth minimal effort, such as Ellie and Nacho, and yet SSBF did not point them out and wagoned onto Vezok.

This is where he outlines his reasons for keeping his vote on Vezok. His reasoning(or rather lack of it):

vezokpiraka's PBPA of DemonHybrid (hopefully) shows that he is willing to contribute to the game after all, but not exactly one of the better PBPA's I've seen.

Translation: "my initial reason for voting Vezok(his lack of effort) is pretty much disproven. I need a new reason to appear consistent so I will attack his content."

I want you to read through his posts in ISO if you haven't yet. It reveals a sort of...controlled, careful play. It doesn't read as town to me. This is more gut than anything to be honest but I rely a lot on my gut when I play so this makes sense to me.

That's all I've got for now.

[Seraphim]

Seraphim will be getting the evil eye if SSBF flips scum, you can count on that.

If SSBF flips town we lynch Sera.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

[Seraphim]

Game's over, good game, scum.

As to the town.

Fuck you.

Seriously, I went V/LA for less than a WEEK and you lynch me WITHOUT ANY SORT OF FUCKING CLAIM LET ALONE DEFENSE ON MY PART. Even if my V/LA had gone unannounced(I told Hoopla in the signup thread), you guys had plenty of time to at least wait for a FUCKING REPLACEMENT. I was enjoying this game immensely and you decide to lynch me. Fuck you guys, you definitely, definitely earned this loss, lynching your vig on day fucking one, basically killing two power roles on Day 1...utterly awful. I was expecting so much better from this town and was sorely disappointed.

Reck, I love you and shit, but this was horrendous play from you. I still love you though.

RedCoyote probably deserves some sort of scummy for securing this game for the scum back during Day 2.

[Seraphim]

Sorry if my post comes off a little harsh, I've been bottling that up since I found I got lynched.

[Seraphim]

I'm sure the scum team practically pissed their pants once I flipped.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, I know. Real fantastic game for scum. I think I'm going to go nominate RedCoyote for that scummy.

[Seraphim]

Town could have always lynched the Vanillizer. I can't believe I can actually see where Korts was coming from with that, even if he was scum. The power of confirmed town wasn't even close to balancing the perfect fakeclaim for scum in LYLO.

[Seraphim]

Yeah, a normal Cop would probably be better than the Gunsmith. I think this is worth running again in the near future in some variation.