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You want to play with me, then you tell me my vote is crappy... You realise you have hurt me with your language... to portray you will be getting a sad face at the end of your username every time I need to post it until I forget to portray how I am hurting inside, farside:(Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Imkingdavid is fine, he seems confused at first then he makes a good point in his latest post.
Sotty doesn't have a good post thus far. Particularly the first 3, a vote with no explanation, a seriously gimmicky serious post and a stupid question.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I've never played with Jack before, I am modding an ongoing with him in it so obv cant talk about it, whilst I can understand where your coming from and I do not support policy lynches of pretty much any kind, I do not feel ignoring or rewarding bad play is a good way to go, even if it is for reactions.
Thank you for the compliment though you have been upgraded to farside:)Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Ok so you know the way Jack plays then and you seem fine with it, yet you are still voting for him. By way of this quote, it seems that you have found an easy vote against an easy target and thats why your voting.Sotty7 wrote:I don't think there is any role fishing so I think my vote is a good one. Do I think it is Jack being Jack, sure. Right now I don't have a better place for my vote.
Also in the first post, you managed to outWIFOM yourself there. Well done on that.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I do feel my vote however was a way of pushing out the RVS, it was never a lynching vote. Sotty's question and Jacks response don't yield much into sotty's reasoning. It's just a question. If we go to
Its not clear that it wasn't an RVS vote, as he just voted with no initial reasoning but ignoring that, Jack didn't really answer the question and Sotty "seriously voted". Without ever gleaming an answer to his question. He states the reasoning is the same as mine but my reasoning is that I don't reward stupid play and the lack of rolefishing in that comment was the reason why Im voting. Sotty states his reasoning I guess in 35 and then starts speculating about it, (which does give me off vibes). But fair enough its a reason. However in post 49 he states that he knows that this is how Jack plays, therefore is his vote on Jack warranted, if this is how Jack plays? Personally I don't think so and increasing pressure around me suggests that this is a null tell having not played with Jack before. So I should unvote, sotty obviously sees this as well as stated in 52 but doesn't unvote and I don't understand how still voting him for what is essentially a null tell is helping, especially when sotty knows it. Hence why it looks like an easy target vote, hence why Im voting for him.It's not an RVS vote, why would you think that? I clearly asked you a serious question about being serious. You seriously replied and I seriously voted.
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Was still happy with my vote on Jack at that time, the only reason I brought you up before because farside asked. I would prefer you to vote me actually. I mean yes it would add credence to my theory that you are just bandwagoning the easier targets but at least you would be doing something worthwhile with your vote and not voting someone for something that you cant get a tell either way from.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I find it interesting you are jumping on me so readily, especially you farside. You havent liked my early posts, I thought that was harsh but ultimately fair. Then I gave my reasoning, which someone interpreted. Then I went v/la and without throwing it back in your face you knew, as you offered to look after one of my games, (as a sidenote, thanks for offering but I wrongly decided I could manage) then one post above, which is essentially me unvoting. I understand your need to lynch someone especially as the deadlines are unusually strict and we have a lot of V/LAers but this isn't the way I've seen you play before. You are usually more reasonable than this.
The other 2 that expressed suspicion on me, I have had exams from the 5th to the 10th. It says so in my sig. Out of the three games I am in and the two I am modding this came this did not appear in my priorities, neither did the other 2 games Im in.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Apologies, I made a mistake and read sotty's post wrong. Ive read through the thread and got some stronger opinions, it might sound like OMGUS and Im wary of voting her but farside is not playing to her meta at all. It's been a while and whilst I know it's not the case I get the feeling that she might be out to get me after PYP, but joking aside her posts leave me uneasy.
As do Zajnets and I haven't had the luxury to play with him before, the copy pasting thing is weird/the has piggybacked on farside, iso 7 is a horrible post, and really Im still a bit unsure why he is voting MOI.vote ZajnetMostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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At 4am I beg to differ, and to be honest, I haven't really read anything very interesting in the last 8 pages. I was caught up but as we have 8 pages of near nothingness, nothing at least to base a case on. If I'm honest the V/LA problem for everyone combined with some people's posting styles has caused people to fanny around. Im coming back into a game where my top suspect is farside purely for meta reasons and zajnet, which whilst not a terrible case, is far from the best one I've seen. Im coming back to a game where CDB has posted 4 times and noone has picked up on it, despite him not being V/LA for most of the time? So no, I do have an opinion, Zajnet is not very town looking, Farside isn't playing to her regular meta, but also yes I don't have a really good opinion. Im going to work on changing that.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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@farside Maybe its because it's been a while since Ive been in a game with you (- the PYP, which was unusual circumstances) however my read of you is your usually well reasoned, you explain your votes - or anything you do - well, you seem to be relying on your gut more, this may be because your not explaining your reasoning more, you also ask a lot more questions, which you did to a degree anyway but with a lot more volume now, you also are emphasising your votes more without really bringing anything new to the table, something that someone like Llama or tajo would do, and you are a lot more aggressive, it's like Mafia Mum has rebellious teenagers. You also didn't seem the type to do scum/town lists particularly as I thought you would prefer to keep them private due to the potential information that it gives. Oh and also letting CDB get away with what he is doing.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Am I asking a really stupid question when I ask what a "goon cop" is? Either way... What is a goon cop? This game has really confused me. However as of day 2 start, Im not liking Jasons defence of the case. Answer it, don't fanny around throwing a strop about it. Im also disliking the inane posturing.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I was going to post, to say that I will be posting in the next few hours on but I will do a quick reply to this.farside22 wrote:Vollkan wrote:His post said he had "caught up", but he also said he didn't have scumreads. In a situation where you know as a matter of FACT that he is busy, it is ridiculous to think that he should therefore have proper suspicions formed. It's very easy to read a game, without having all the benefits that come from being an active player, and not be able to find anybody scummy, particularly where, as was clearly the case with Prozac, you are otherwse busy
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I don't like you giving Porzac a pass here and excusing his behavior in such a way.
No one I know is that RL busy that they do a reread and have no scum suspect that's just BS.
As you may or may not know I have a problem retaining information, now I don't like using it as an excuse and will try my best to play regardless, my usual play is to delve into day 1 and make my mark and find a "hook", obviously due to my exam period I couldn't do that so when I read back over the past pages, in my opinion, to be quite frank, I read some of the most mind numbingly dull and pointless stuff that was absolutely useless to me, which made reading up a real drag. So I didn't have much opinion beyond the blatant OMGUS earlier on. Im not sure thats much to base a case on, but I am basically running on empty on this game. Hence why I'm not posting much - (beyond still being busy IRL and over extending myself slightly) - once I get time to look over the game a bit more I will get back to you, which will hopefully be after Ive written an email about uni.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Ok so I read back from page 10 and I said before its about as funny as scraping my eyeballs out with a rusty nail in that, I would have been voting Charlie by the end of day 1, and I would be voting Jason here. (I am going to let him answer farsides question though) My other read is on my biggest fan herself, farisde (!), as I stated before Im having trouble with her meta and whats more Im having trouble with the fact she is being a bit dickish towards my v/la, which is unusual for her, the mafia mum. However my case kinda boils down to her different attitude and I haven't played with her in a while but something is really really off. However I am finding myself unable to make a case which isnt meta and gut.
Talking about meta and one of my own personal scumtells, I think it was one of the "Z's", will look it up later, self meta in general doesn't work. Stop doing it. I've enjoyed vollkans posts so far, beyond him defending me slightly, they have been fairly interesting would look to hear more from Ythan - he seems quite banterous as well. Jack's Jack, Sando is playing as Sando does, however I think I could spot him as scum and haven't had any real incling to that effect yet...
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Im not sure yet, 4 out of the 5 I would have at the bottom of my town to scum list. However I liked the wagon (easy for me to say that now, I know). I would say I would reread, but my reads are so marginal anyway...farside22 wrote:I need to look at the wagon's from day 1 and day 2.
Jack's play is starting to remind me of PYP2 where he was scum.
@Poro: Where are you in this game? What views do you have on those who voted for Jason
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I just want this to refer to who is in this gameIncognito wrote:Incognito's Final Vote Count of Day 2 wrote:jasonT1981 (6) <-~ Sotty7, MagnaofIllusion, farside22, vollkan, Zajnet, jasonT1981
Jack (1) <-~ Ythan
vollkan (1) <-~ Sando
Zajnet (1) <-~ Jack
Not voting (2) <-~ Locke Lamora, Porochaz
Lets start with sotty, when I saw vollkans case against her in day 2, I didn't really feel it. I didn't like her initially during day 1 but thinking town now.
MOI is one of the few I can't get a read on this game.
farside I have stated my thoughts on already, Im sure she's scum, there is something way off about her posts and well... Ive said what Ive said
vollkan - I found town right from the off but as he's dead now, it doesn't really matter
zajnet - hasnt posted really, when he has, he hasn't posted that well. Sorta like myself.
Ythan - didn't post enough, Erg0 will though Im sure
Jack - Im starting to warm to Jacks posting style, I wouldnt believe a claim from him ever but he's playing consistently enough.
Sando - from his response to vollkans points against him (and I dont just mean the post quoted above) to his reaction against me and his general posting style thus far.vote sando
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farside22 wrote:I just read Sando in this game and he is pretty much looking like lazy scum.
He attacked mostly Jack on day 1 with little comment towards anyone else and then votes for charlie.
Today he has gone back to day 2 more Jack is scum then votes for Volkan in what equates to an OMGUS vote
Today is now Porochaz who he said next to nothing about to what again equates to OMGUS vote.
He has done little to no scum hunting sticking with Jack and only attacking anyone who says things against him.
I looked into his past games of recent where boy all I found was him as scum and he comes off as rude, he scum hunts but attacks people pretty fiercely.
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@Sando: Do you have an link to a game you were town that is not currently still ongoing?
I would also say compared to the link above Sando is close to actively lurking. I notice he's not in any other game and seems to be keeping a low profile here.
Rude? I don't think I was rude at all in that game maybe when attacking Al but I feel offended by that.
In regards to lurking, or lurking within this game, Im now past the point of caring to be honest, vote for me, or don't. Im not going to defend myself against something which is true in that Im playing this game in the background to some of the other games, its a shame because if you look at the player list for all the games Im playing, I actually like this one the best overall. Im getting into this game as much as I can but it's not happening at the moment, but be sure as soon as I find a hook I'll be onto it with my same "fierceness" as in my other games.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Woah, no it's not. I was active in our game. Blatant misrep. Its the link farside posted. If anyone doesn't believe me go check it out.Sando wrote:
This is very similar to what he was doing in our last scum game.farside22 wrote:1 quick peak into Poro's recent posting on the site.
This alone makes me want to vote him as scum. He's posting fine in other games and active in comparison to this game.
I still want to go look at the analysis of him as scum vs town consider this anFOS: Porochaz
What do you want me to answer to? Obviously Ive stated that Im not going to answer to lurking because I have to a degree. I also think you were harsh in your assessment of that particular point. However, if you have any other points I will answer them.But watch Poro not engage with my posts against him now that he's got the ball rolling on my wagon.
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I realise you weren't talking about me, I've had a busy day and Im exausted, so Im not reading properly.Porochaz wrote:farside22 wrote:I just read Sando in this game and he is pretty much looking like lazy scum.
He attacked mostly Jack on day 1 with little comment towards anyone else and then votes for charlie.
Today he has gone back to day 2 more Jack is scum then votes for Volkan in what equates to an OMGUS vote
Today is now Porochaz who he said next to nothing about to what again equates to OMGUS vote.
He has done little to no scum hunting sticking with Jack and only attacking anyone who says things against him.
I looked into his past games of recent where boy all I found was him as scum and he comes off as rude, he scum hunts but attacks people pretty fiercely.
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Rude? I don't think I was rude at all in that game maybe when attacking Al but I feel offended by that.
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Which one? The one I was active and really involved in, and farside linked?Sando wrote:
Do you not understand the word 'literally'? It's part of a consistent stretching by Locke, it's not as though I'm claiming 'ZOMG HE LIED, LAL!!!', I'm simply pointing out that he's stretching the truth.Sotty wrote:I brought up your ISO and did a “find all” for both Zach and Jason. You mention Zach once and never mention Jason until he is dead. It is clearly true.
I've also seen Poro play this exact way as scum, you know one of those games we've all been talking about as meta for me as scum? Yeah that one...
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Its also not my meta. I now am doing it myself, self meta-ing doesn't work but I don't want to be known as the guy who lurks through games because generally Im not. People like farside and erg0 will be able to vouch for me on that one I hope.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Im not over reacting, I hate people who play the way you are suggesting and whilst Im having that problem right now with this game its not the way I usually play and its not the way I played in that game and Im really surprised your saying it. So I am obviously going to react.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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a way even sorry.
Anyway onto my vote, Im not sure how to play this, and Id like to apologise for my conduct during this game, in that I never got into it and I should have replaced out. I understand that this is an in-vitational and those of you who did request to play with me probably didnt expect this from me having either played with me before or seen me in other games.
The best way to play this in my eyes is partially to view the confirmed scums posts and partially to go on gut. I went through everyones iso in the end and my reading came up the same, the playstyle is too inconsistent for me, and I was wary about doing it before because I didn't think it was enough, the confirmed scum particularly erg0 and friends with farside is interesting. However in the end its mainly gut.vote farsideMostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I thank you for your faith in me, but to be honest Im going to go out on an existential limb here, why? I haven't done anything to warrant your belief that Im town and whilst I would prefer you didn't lynch me, you haven't really said why.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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I notice that you, Erg0 and Jason have a nice contrast when it comes to Jack in that both of them voted Jack one for very minimal reasons and the other pushed him quite hard. However scum have focused a lot of attention on him, as have you, the exception is, despite being more vocal about him than Jason, you have yet to put a vote or even a fos down on him.
I also want to know, although I doubt you'll be able to answer, the purpose (now Im looking into it) of the emphasis in iso 25.Mostly retired. Unless you ask or it's something interesting.-
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Hmm I wrote several versions of my voting farside post, one of which explained other slight reads I had, within that I was going to ask for a town/scum game from MoI, it might be worth having a look at some games of farside as well?
I feel like Im starting to get a hook on this game now, which is useless in the closing stages. It should be pointed out Im fairly confident of Jack being town at this moment as well.
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