Open 241: Emotional Breakdown! (Over)

[a2rudeboy]

/in (and what fun it is to escape the newb queue)

[a2rudeboy]

v/la until further notice: lappy is virusy. will try and post from other machines

ahhh socialism....universal health care...we could be so lucky

[a2rudeboy]

EBWOP: Problems seem fixed for now.

[a2rudeboy]

vote:dr

retroactive newb979 omgus.

[a2rudeboy]

can i revote shotty on the basis of my play being superior to his book?

[a2rudeboy]

unvote

Picking up prod. Will be back soon, need a reread on some things.

[a2rudeboy]

Prod pick up. Computer issues and such

Perpetual v/la until further notice

Opinions on whole game coming soon. Haven't found time to post lately, lots of personal issues have all sprung up at once. Trying not to replace out.

[a2rudeboy]

but now i realize that nopoint had to have been killed by werewolves. .

what makes you say this?

also, will be back to present my case on CA

[a2rudeboy]

because a werewolf died and only mafia can kill werewolf

QFT

my mistake. didn't think that one all the way through.

[a2rudeboy]

Andrew-

You are getting scummier and scummier by the day. "You have no way of knowing" ... perhaps my comprehension is a little down this late at night, but I don't think I saw Kai (who I think you are referring to?) as saying he

knows

dj is a townie. It's a question of syntax here. Yes, no one knows the true alignments of who is town except mafia and werewolves. Even those groups don't know everything, because there's at least one scum left on each side.

And I don't think anyone, save a cop role (which we don't have), would be as stupid enough to say they know x and x is town, as it would be a horribly obvious scumtell. I think even newer players would know to avoid that one.

If Kai's the next lynch, why aren't you voting now?

Scummyscumscumscum.

I was going to post my case on CA (will do, if you guys still want it), but for now, I see the scummiest side as going..

vote: andrew

Kai-

Knowingly put dr at l-1?

[a2rudeboy]

Andrew- My case is based on your incredible tunneling, your abrasive playstyle (i dont know if you always play the VI or are just being an asshole really), and things other people have already brought up. Why would you tell someone they were the next day's lynch? That doesn't even seem logical

You used this paraphrasing as evidence: "'i can see don as a townie... blah alpha townie... blah you look like the ever-so-popular alpha townie.'"

I agree with what Kai is saying. Don_johnson is playing very much like the type of town player who is at the forefront of questioning, attacking, and scumhunting. I've seen this type of player get attacked far too often for being (what was seen as) over-anxious, get lynched, and of course turn up town. So, for now, I'm going to tend to think he's town. I don't KNOW he's town because he hasn't claimed, but that's what i believe.


CA-
isogogogo!

posts 1-2 : standard beginning of the game stuff
post 3: rapidfire bandwagon ending on agar. votes himself in the middle. possible distancing technique? no one would take the post seriously, after all
4-6: AtE? Ehh whatever not much here...
7-8: more jokes, tries to start the AGar wagon officially
9: votes xite rather early in the bandwagon, easy for scum to jump in in the early/middle parts of the wagon without too much attention, seeing that xite is going to be targeted by the masons trying to distance himself. note: also FoS on AG
10: based on theory argument, switches his vote back to AGar. at this point has established as someone who was against xite for a little while, then turned around and went back to his seemingly tunneling on Agar, which may or may not be mostly based on previous games at this point. true, ag flipped werewolf, but there wasnt enough info floating around at this point for him to seem that scummy. also, doesn't seem too upset at the possibility of losing a town pr.
11: retraction, another unvote. at this point we are halfway through his iso, and the tally is (including RVS so feel free to judge as needed) : 8 votes, 2 FoS. Every post seems to vote or unvote.
12: Ahh ok, here we go. Actual content.

I don't see anything particularly scumlike or townlike from Xite's response. When Mysterio pressured it, Xite got frustrated due to the fairly baseless attack on him, hence the exasperated, kind of flailing posts. The fact that a lot of people are jumping on Xite for barely anything makes me think there are scum on the wagon.

Yes, there was scum on the wagon before, but you got off quick enough in time to make this post. This post reeked to me of trying to distance everyone from the Mysterio/Xite argument, as a simple case of town v town. True, as dj said, most times there is an argument like this on d1 that turns up both people as town. In this post, you both buddy up to the un cc'd mason and try to deflect the heat off of Xite a little. This seems like a perfect combo of moves for Xite's scum buddy. We could say that Xite was flailing due to baseless attacks...but we know now that that's not the case.

You then drop another vote on AGar, largely based on meta. You are doing a sort of rapid flailing of your own at this point, dropping votes and unvotes and FoS all over the place. Scummy.

post 13:

Sorry about the activity. It will definitely get better.

More AtE.
A little bit of analysis, some valid points, not much here. Keeps the pressure on AG, while trying to argue that it isn't solely based on meta.

14:Smashbro's town read on Xite is wavering, CA calls him scummy. CA also asks that Johnson do a read through of the thread instead of just voting whoever the top lynch candidate is (not a problem, standard) but also feels the need to again state how he thinks Xite isn't scum.

15: vote change to bv, gives a little analysis. largely seems to be voting an active lurker.

16:nothing new. xite=town

17:Says Agar would be the one more likely to go for xite being town, out of a possible Werewolf team of AGar/SSS. Not quite sure what to make of it, but it definitely doesn't seem all kosher. Thinks the wagon was scum-powered, yet he was one of the first on the wagon. Votes bv again, despite his vote already being there. A little careless?

18: switches vote again to dj.

At this point, just about everyone in the town is ready to vote xite. DJ drops the hammer. CA is the only one who strongly believes Xite's innocence, the flip comes up, and he's wrong.

19: again a quick vote. tries to say he didn't join the bandwagon on xite, since he was only the second person on. you definitely helped start it though, and then went as far as you possibly could to distance yourself from it once it gained traction.

[a2rudeboy]

Also- bv is lurking just as much as I or SSS or anyone else is. I don't know why he's seemed to mostly avoid suspicion for that.

[a2rudeboy]

It was very obvious, dont argue about how scum didnt seem scummy cause its scummy

QFT. as much as i hate your playstyle, this comment, probably mixed in with the wine i've been drinking, equals win.


@sss:
you said you already had suspicions of CA. what do you make of my iso breakdown?

@dj
same thing really. you were waiting for it. comments?

[a2rudeboy]

Andrew-
Yes, i still have my vote on you, because I'm not going to join the shotty wagon (it's his overall style to basically play the VI, and I haven't found anything particularly extra scummy about him in this game) and a vote on you has appeared to draw a better possibility of a lynch, and of course has put you on the defensive again. Where you seem to be responding much in the same way our buddy Xite was.

[a2rudeboy]

That doesn't explain why you aren't voting for ConfidAnon. You just made a massive case against him, but have decided to vote andrew because... he looks like an easier lynch?

I voted andrew for two reasons:
1. per everything else mentioned, he looks scummy
2. i wanted to gauge his response. see if it set off a way of OMGUS and make him highly defensive, which it mostly has. i got the info i needed out of the vote.


with that being said.

unvote
vote:confidanon


@mod: fresh vote count, plz?

[a2rudeboy]

EBWOP- way = wave

[a2rudeboy]

It's going to have to be CA, Kai, or SSS.

[a2rudeboy]

CA-
I read it. I actually just went back and reread it again. I didn't really see much in it worth continuing discussion about , unless there's something you'd like to go into? There's far scummier people around than you right now, and you answered most of my questions. With that being said, is your vote on me based solely on my not responding to you (in which case, it seems a bit like OMGUS) or do you have other things right now?

[a2rudeboy]

Andrew-

You have just perfectly shown why you are one of the scummiest players in town. True, by now you have started to finally show some more analysis behind what you're doing...but you are by far the biggest bandwagon jumper in the game.

And fyi- Just because Mysterio is confirmed town, doesn't make it right just to use that as a reason for voting/bandwagoning.

vote: andrew

i would have voted earlier, but i wasn't about to hammer this early into the day

[a2rudeboy]

unvote

[a2rudeboy]

so why are you so confident it's either me or CA?

[a2rudeboy]

Smashbro- So, your entire detailed analysis of me boils down to "v/la"??

[a2rudeboy]

Yeah, I came out of that v/la mostly on day two.

[a2rudeboy]

I actually think Kai is our lynch at this point. He picked an interesting time to disappear from action, considering thiswas the the night where his most vocal opponent died...

Of course I would support the CA lynch as well, I just think Kai is the better target. Maybe andrew was actually on to something with all his ramblings. As far as Mysterio's comment re: xite and kai...I tend to believe on the side of distancing here. Xite probably realized they were a sinking ship and tried to their best in the end to distance at all possible costs, A fake argument and suspicion in a death-post would do pretty well here.

Also, it's true Xite didnt interact with me the first day, but i don't think that's much of a scum tell. No one interacted with me much from the beginning, because i simply didnt post at all. Knowing now, and pretty much figuring then, that Xite was scum....there wouldn't be too much reason for him to interact with me anyway, especially if I'm lurking and not making a case on him. Xite wasn't going to try and push a lynch the lurker to get out of their situation, and any agreement with a semi active/lurker is a sure scumtell for someone who is already slipping down that slope.

vote: kai

v

[a2rudeboy]

unvote.

vote:rudeboy

game is dragging anyways.

[a2rudeboy]

Mysterio- I didn't take you out the first night, because i more or less figured the werewolves were probably going to do that.

My biggest mistake, I feel at least, was taking out dj N2. I was going to go for andrew that night, but took out dj because it seemed like the easier kill to set someone up with.

Yeah, by the time we hit day 4 i pretty much knew i was a goner. I had wanted to take out SSS N3 (it was easy to pick out by this point that you were the third mason), but took out andrew as a hope of setting up Kai.