Open 241: Emotional Breakdown! (Over)

[Xite91]

well I /confirmed in-post but hey, I'll do it here too

[Xite91]

EBWOP *in-message

[Xite91]

/confirmige

Vote: Xite

that vote is very personal

I see through your vote and know your reasons!!!
Well, lets keep this OMGUS party going!
(These votes don't count so not bolded)
Vote: Shotty

[Xite91]

Vote:Xite

For being wishy-washy.

how so?

[Xite91]

haha, but the votes don't even count atm. I was trying to make it easier on the Mod

[Xite91]

Yup, you got me. I'm scum and my scumbuddy is none other than the mod /sarcasm

[Xite91]

well, yeah, but that's the other scumgroup.

[Xite91]

now quiet, you're giving yourself and my mom away, the president was obvscum from the beginning, though, so don't worry about him

[Xite91]

@Shotty, does that make you not an american? o.o

Hey, I was one of the few who saw through his pretty face before he was president. Also, I'm republican

[Xite91]

No, I dont just bitch about the guy in charge, I bitch about american society as a whole. A lot of times, I'm ashamed of my country because of how downhill they're becomming.
Also I'm gonna have to FoS you for trying to get a policy lynch

[Xite91]

No, I dont just bitch about the guy in charge, I bitch about american society as a whole. A lot of times, I'm ashamed of my country because of how

far

downhill they're

going

.
Also I'm gonna have to FoS you for trying to get a policy lynch

EBWOP'd lol

[Xite91]

No, I dont just bitch about the guy in charge, I bitch about american society as a whole. A lot of times, I'm ashamed of my country because of how downhill they're becomming.
Also I'm gonna have to FoS you for trying to get a policy lynch

Hey, you can always move to Canada. We're a very welcoming people.

Ironically, I've been trying to convince my boyfriend to move to canada with me forever, but he complains about all the problems you guys have and then I complain about how much this country has and it's just...bad lol

[Xite91]

What problems do we have that could possibly justify living in the US? Seriously, go anywhere that isn't a major city and you're set.

apparently something to do with socialism or something? I usually start ignoring him at that point

[Xite91]

Vote: Shotty

he knows why
also he has yet to show me his book

[Xite91]

Unvote, Vote andrew

How'd you find out?
Wait a second you don't do you?
LAL!!!!!!!

[Xite91]

EBWOP

But why can't I see it noooooow?

[Xite91]

Unless said musical includes both murder AND mayhem, I remain convinced of your guilt.

I lol'd
I can tell this is going to be an awesome game.

Anyways, shotty, withholding information?

FoS Shotty

[Xite91]

o.o how will you be able to tell which one is which?
Also, not all of them, I'm in one with you and they arent o.o

[Xite91]

Unvote, Vote:CA

I'm curious what happens

[Xite91]

CA you're so cuuuute.
Wanna be my watcher tonight?

[Xite91]

EBWOP
lol that's going in the pick up lines thread

[Xite91]

Unvote, Vote:CA

I'm curious what happens

Rapid bandwagon time.

Unvote, Vote: Andrew94

Unvote, Vote: ConfidAnon

Unvote, Vote: AGar

He annoys me.

I lol'd
But seriously, did you want to get a wagon on him based on another game?

Responding to the prod.

I noted in my sig I'd be V/LA, thought that'd be enough.\

Will catch up tonight at some point.

Awww . . .

Trying to add suspicion without actually saying anything...

ConfidAnon apparently hates me. :/

Where some would say "hatred," I'd say . . . friendly rivalry?

I don't hate you. Take this emoticon as a peace offering.

<3

AtE?

You, sir, are definitely scum

[Xite91]

I prefer the CA wagon

[Xite91]

But the AGar wagon has leather seats.

You've used that joke before.
This alone is reason for a vote

This game is starting off really slow. To make things interesting, I'll go ahead and reveal that I am a

Mason

. That's right, I get to talk behind your backs! So, watch what you say..

Mysterio is either a genious or scum. Masons,

don't

counter-claim plox, if he's scum thats what he's trying to get you to do.

[Xite91]

Vote:Dramonic

I hope he modkills you

[Xite91]

Because it's still a PR and still a better role for town than VT. Also, that was just what I saw in your post

[Xite91]

And a better role to night kill...

Your reaction is what I would expect from scum who was just given a convenient target.

Unvote: ConfidAnon

Vote: Xite

Bolded. Which is why I told them not to counter-claim
And hey, it could be not self-evident.

How is my reaction what you would expect exactly? I mean, other than the attempt to not get PRs outted?

[Xite91]

Think about how a PR claim looks to scum when they know for a fact that the player making the claim is town. And then think about how they would react. Now, go back and read your post. Do you see any similarities?

A genuine attempt to not have a PR role outed is certainly a possibility, but given the role I've claimed and how early in the game it is, it doesn't quite fit as nicely as you being scum.

How exactly would you say scum would react?
I think scum would react in a way such as,
1) "Oh, he's lying, lynch him!!!" That way, if he is a PR then they have one less of them to deal with
2) Trying to get a counter-claim/confirmation that you are in fact said PR

1) I never tried to get you lynched because
a) I think you're town, just not a mason, trying to pull something I've actually done a few times before
b) If you were scum pushing for it, you would probably have waited to post again and then done so when there was enough suspicion on you that you could tell who the real masons were, then claim to be gambitting. Going after me for what I said makes me believe even more that you're town, just not a mason

2) I figure that if you ARE in fact scum, then your intention was to get a counter-claim, if that were the case then, like I said, you would have waited for one (see 1b). If I was scum, then I would try to get a counter-claim or confirmation from one of your other mason-buddies that you are in fact a mason, that way I would know who to NK tonight and tomorrow night. Thing is, though, that I would much rather NOT see our power roles killed off each night, hence my reaction.

So, now it's time for you to point out exactly how my reaction would seem scummy

[Xite91]

Dividing this up point by point

Here's my take on it:

1) A scum sees my claim, and knows that I am town.
2) At this point in the game, it is in the best interest of scum to blend in. Making overtly scummy moves would obviously be bad play.
3) What is the best way to blend in for scum who knows that I'm town? Make a fake attempt at stopping a counterclaim.
4) At the same time, the scum would be thinking to themselves, "Easy N1 target."

Unfortunately

, that kind of thought can slip into the post without the person realizing it. You see, my goal in claiming was to try and catch someone slipping. I believe I have.
5) Also, your reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
6) If you truly thought someone would counterclaim me (so much so that you felt the need to tell people not to), then how much sense would it make for me to fake claim?
7) Especially to fake claim as town, thereby opening myself up to be counterclaimed and possibly lynched/FOS'd even though I was town? That contradicts your initial reaction to my claim and reads like you're making it up as you go along.

1) Assuming you're town, which I am atm.
2) Uhm, that's every point in the game IMO. Sometimes, making overtly scummy moves is a good play, if done right, but rarely do scum take that chance
3) Who said it was fake? Nice Misrep
4) Bolded. How's that unfortunate unless you're scum? Also, I'd like you to point out that "slip"
5) How?
6) If you claimed it was for a gambit, it would make sense. If you said they were lying, it would make sense. Of course this wouldn't get you past D2 in most cases, but with 2 kills per night, that's not a bad chance of winning still.
7) To fake claim as town? Now here's a slip we can talk about.
Anyways, since you're slipping away from looking townie to me, I'll give you what I thought you were doing if you were town, hence the "youre a genius" in my reaction
You claim mason
Theres a bit of discussion, a lot of which gives some good info during the day
If no one else claims, you get NK'd, giving town less of a chance of losing a PR
If others claim, there's still a chance of you getting NK'd, which is still less a chance of town losing a PR
Therefore, a successful gambit

[Xite91]

I'm tempted to vote for him for wasting my time.

And there will be no counterclaims, for I am indeed a Mason. However, that was an interesting reaction, Xite. Why do you feel the need to tell other Masons not to counterclaim? That seems self-evident, not to mention a Mason isn't exactly a game breaking role.

Counterclaiming would be pointless.

And yet you act as if it's a huge revelation. Why?

Waitasecond....
Why would counter claiming be pointless?

[Xite91]

i see this as a huge attempt to distract attention
rofl xite...

What is?

[Xite91]

Considering bv's post were mostly during RVS, or even before?
Also, you missed the part with the mason gambit that he said.
I have other reasons to be suspicious of him, which I will reveal in due time, but your's seem invalid

[Xite91]

i see this as a huge attempt to distract attention
rofl xite...

What is?

answer mysterioes question

What question? I'm pretty sure I answered everything he asked.

Open mason claim is bad.
Thinking that leaves him confirmed town is worse.
Ignoring the fact that there are two scum parties is even worse.

The only way he's not confirmed town is if all three members of the real mason group (assuming he's scum) CC. By sheer numbers, if he's lying, he'll be proven wrong by the cc. Both scum groups have two players in each, and they are not working together. Therefore, until the CC, unless my logic is wrong, I assume Mysterio is town.

Unvote, Vote: Xite91

For telling masons not to counterclaim.

FoS: AGar

I don't normally use these, but I kind of want to vote both of you right now. This is for bandwagoning on an uncc'd claim.

You can be so silly, you know that?
First off, I'm half tempted to call OMGUS on your vote
I told masons not to cc because, if Mysterio is scum, then he's expecting a cc
My point in telling them not to cc was to keep from outing masons
Only one or two masons need to CC in order to prove mysterio wrong, but I don't want that, because then town PRs are outed
Your logic IS wrong. Also, losing 3 PRs to catch 1 scum is a baaaad idea
There was no wagon on him
Ya know, if I was scum, and there were 2 people that counter claimed, but not a third, I would assume they're the other scumgroup and be their 3 claimer, considering this "confirms" all three of us, then bus my partner, to do moreso, and coast on that until it's about too late for town to win, being sure not to NK the actual claimers
Of course, there's a few gaps in this idea, like if town lynches a real mason, but hey, we can't all be perfect.
^So there are a bunch more reasons why my vote stays.

How about a CA lynch people?

[Xite91]

The ability for three CONFIRMED town to talk together at night and discuss who is town/scum in their opinion is a pretty important thing for town, considering we have no other PRs.

Oh, nice backtracking by the way

[Xite91]

Okay, I see where you're getting at, but if only one counterclaims, it becomes a who is lying? Battle, which is why we would need at least two to CC. It just doesn't seem logical to me.

[Xite91]

Ok, I see where you're going with that, but if that were the case, then another scum could CC as well. I dunno, maybe I'm just too cautious about outing PRs but I still thinks it's a bad idea

[Xite91]

Alright, you win. I don't so much mind masons ccing in that case

[Xite91]

A)This thread sure blew up since I claimed. Everyone altogether now say, "Thank you, Mysterio!"

B) Sidebar: A lot of these points were completely unnecessary. Fracturing someone's post and trying to pick out random crap makes you look very,

very

scummy.

2), 3), 4) - It's arguably more important in the beginning of the game when everyone is equal. Later in the game, there's a possibility of building a reputation that might allow scum to take more risks. Just how the game evolves. Also,

I'm

the one that said it was fake. That's not misrepresenting you, that's accusing you. There's a difference. Finally, 4) is a huge stretch. Have you never heard that figure of speech before? Please don't waste my time with weak points like these.

5), 6), 7) - These points should not have been fractured like that. They are all referring to the same main point, which is that your reasoning behind a town fake claim doesn't make sense. Point 5) was the setup, while points 6) and 7) were the explanation. Breaking up my post into nonsensical parts tells me that you're forcing the issue. If you are indeed town, then my advice to you is to stop trying so hard. If you're scum, well, just one more point against you. Also, your response to 7) is strange. Did you forget that you're the one who mentioned the possibility of me fake claiming as town? I'll even quote it:
If you did forget, then please try to keep up.

What if I'm really a Mason? I'm interested to know how you'd read my claim then.

A) Please, people, I need gratification! What, were you trying to get townie points or something?
B) Discredit without any actual information... Interesting
I broke it up to make it easier on the readers of it, and to me (answering it) It's a pain in the ass trying to remember where you were in a paragraph that jumped around so much
2+3) But the accusation was pointed out as definite truth. This is why I called it a misrep
4) No, I'd like you to point out exactly where the slip is, because if you can't point it out, then it's not there. That's not just a figure of speech, there's usually evidence involved with those.
5) It's really hard to tell when your points jump around so much.
6) Waitwaitwait... did you just say that if i'm town, to stop trying so hard? What the hell? Have you EVER played this game before?
7) Sorry, misunderstanding I saw "Fake claiming as town" and thought, he's "fake -claiming as town-" AKA your town claim was fake. It is really cute, though, how you're trying to make me look dumb to the rest of the group in order to discredit me. I kind of want to pat you on the head.

Then you eat rainbows and shit gold? For some reason I'm just convinced you're not an actual mason, so there's no scenario I can come up with.

[Xite91]

The statement that "scum knows that I [Mysterio] am town," is inherently false. Scum knows he is not their scumteam, and that is all.

Can you expand on this a bit? The fact is scum know I'm not on their team, whether or not they know if I'm on the other scum team is irrelevant. This would only be worth pointing out if the scum teams had some kind of win condition that forced them to collaborate. Otherwise, if I'm not on their team, then me being on the other team or town makes no difference to them. You're going to have to explain this a bit.

Because you being town and you being scum teams are two completely different things to the town? Therefore it's important to differentiate. Do you really need it explained any further?

[Xite91]

Responding to each person one at a time.

@mysteriou why did u claim so early?

Mostly to try and catch a scum slip, which I mentioned to Xite. However, another reason was for the fun of it. This game was literally dead, so claiming seemed like a good way to also satisfy my boredom. If claiming gets me NK, meh. It was still worth it.

Really? The game was dead? Would you like me to link you to a

real

dead game? Trust me, this one was quite alive.

Why do you assume it was for townie points? And if you're unable to respond to a post without breaking things up, then wow. Not sure how to even respond to that.

Because it takes less time and space than doing this, and like I said, it's easier to follow than a huge paragraph that jumps everywhere answered by a huge paragraph that jumps everywhere else. It's my style of posting, are you really using it as a pseudo-valid argument against me? Wow. Not sure how to even respond to

that.

Anyway, this is the second time where your responses do not follow at all. Point 5) of your previous post bolded the "Unfortunately" word that I used, and asked how it was unfortunate if you're not scum. That is what I was responding to. Asking me to point out your "slip" makes no sense, because the post you were responding to did exactly that! So, either you didn't understand it, or you're deliberately muddling things up. As such, I will quote my post that explains your slip:

A scum sees my claim, and knows that I am town. At this point in the game, it is in the best interest of scum to blend in. Making overtly scummy moves would obviously be bad play. What is the best way to blend in for scum who knows that I'm town? Make a fake attempt at stopping a counterclaim. At the same time, the scum would be thinking to themselves, "Easy N1 target." Unfortunately, that kind of thought can slip into the post without the person realizing it. You see, my goal in claiming was to try and catch someone slipping. I believe I have.

In other words, your initial reaction to my claim is the "slip" I'm referring to.

Lets start with discrediting the person I'm attacking

again

. Next, read the damn post

4) At the same time, the scum would be thinking to themselves, "Easy N1 target."

Unfortunately

, that kind of thought can slip into the post without the person realizing it.

You see, my goal in claiming was to try and catch someone slipping. I believe I have.

4) Bolded. How's that unfortunate unless you're scum? Also, I'd like you to point out that "slip"

It was in regards to the whole sentence, which I've even underlined for you. It meant how is that unfortunate for the town??
Okay, then can you point out how it was a scum slip and not a cautious townie tell?

Moving on...

Because you being town and you being scum teams are two completely different things to the town? Therefore it's important to differentiate.

There's an underlying assumption to your response here. You seem to be under the assumption that I'm simply trying to get town to accept my claim. That was clearly not my intention, given the fact that I made that point as an argument

against you.

Whether or not town accepts my claim is secondary at this point.

Orly?

And there will be no counterclaims, for I am indeed a Mason.

What if I'm really a Mason? I'm interested to know how you'd read my claim then.

[Xite91]

Anyway, this is the second time where your responses do not follow at all. Point 5) of your previous post bolded the "Unfortunately" word that I used, and asked how it was unfortunate if you're not scum. That is what I was responding to. Asking me to point out your "slip" makes no sense, because the post you were responding to did exactly that! So, either you didn't understand it, or you're

deliberately muddling things up

.

@Andrew73

: I didn't have a particular suspicion because nobody registered as truly scummy, and the argument between Mysterio and Xite, my main candidates for scum hadn't progressed to the point that it has. I had very limited access and hadn't able to keep up with the game until recently.

On that point, I am getting less suspicious of Mysterio, and more so of Xite.

It makes more sense for Mysterio to be a Mason (or at least a Townie) than scum, and yet Xite keeps fighting him

and seems to be

intentionally muddling things

in order to gain an artificial edge.

Hmm... Seems to be a strange similarity there.

Next

a) I think you're town, just not a mason, trying to pull something I've actually done a few times before

1) Assuming you're town, which I am atm.

-----

Anyways, since you're slipping away from looking townie to me, I'll give you what I thought you were doing if you were town, hence the "youre a genius" in my reaction
You claim mason
Theres a bit of discussion, a lot of which gives some good info during the day
If no one else claims, you get NK'd, giving town less of a chance of losing a PR
If others claim, there's still a chance of you getting NK'd, which is still less a chance of town losing a PR
Therefore, a successful gambit

^With that said, I'd like to point out that he's the one attacking me. I'm only responding to the case.

Mysterio said that "scum knows I'm town," in an attempt to give proof as to why he is confirmed town and this claim is valid.

The statement that "scum knows that I [Mysterio] am town," is inherently false. Scum knows he is not their scumteam, and that is all.

I'm not sure that particular point matters now. Whether Mysterio is Town or Scum, it would not be reasonable for scum to counterclaim. In fact, it might not make sense for Mysterio to be scum at all. As pointed out before, if the 3 real masons all counterclaim, that means that we've got Mysterio pinned as scum. No scum team would have the manpower to pull off that fakeclaim (please remember that we're dealing with two

opposing

scum teams; Mysterio's response to your post seems obtuse until you realize that in the eyes of

any

scumteam, he is a potential enemy.) Many possibilities of scum counterclaiming have been explored, and IIRC all of them at

least

result in a 50% chance of the offending scum being offed. Since scum are apt to stay away from risky moves this early in game, I'll have to award the townie prize to Mysterio for the time being.

Oooooooh, so you're basing your idea off of WIFOM... interesting

I do not agree with your plans, Agar. For starters, what exactly is this "added way to fly under the radar" that scum have this game? Are you suggesting that the scum are just hanging back, banking on Mysterio to appear scummy and warrant a lynch? Because that is something that can NEVER be counted on.

I'm pretty sure it was the point that scum can actively scumhunt, because they don't know who town actually is, which makes their cases look more real/less scummy. Use your head plox

I kinda see the logic in your plan to delay a mason counterclaim till next day, especially if Myst flips Mason when killed, but said logic seems flawed to me. If you're expecting a dream play in which both scum teams counterclaim the masons and we have 2/3 or better chance of nailing a red with each lynch, don't count on it. You're asking both scums teams to effectively commit suicide, and in the best-case scenario, only one will. If one scum team counterclaims and sets up a 1-vs.-1 with the real masons (or vice versa) the other will just hang back and watch the fireworks (unless we are the luckiest bastards alive and they do so simultaneously. Then again, scum (or even masons) might abstain from claiming, leaving two standouts ripe for the town's picking (i.e two lone claimers have a 1/3 chance of being masons, but 2/3 chance of being scum). That's assuming that Mysterio

is

killed and

does

flip mason. What if Myst

isn't

killed? What if he flips Town or Scum? We can pretty much throw your plan out the window then.

So are you suggesting we lynch Mysterio?
Where do you get your numbers?
Didn't you say you looked at the other ideas for outcomes of CCs?

No OMGUS for you though, since this looks more like townie error and I'm sure there's something I've overlooked that you will point out to me (I'm a tiny bit smashed...).Not too keen on voting Xite due to lack of votecount, aaand nopointinactingup still hasn't shown his face.

Prod on nopoint

, please?

FoS: Xite

Placeholder, placeholder.

By the way, there was only one vote on me at this point. Just sayin. Looks a lot like fence-sitting to me.

Anyways,

Unvote, Vote Kai

[Xite91]

Though Mysterio's mason claiming was bad, he did fish out a good reaction from Xite. I can see Xite's reaction as what scum would do.

Unvote.Vote:Xite

How so mister lurker?

Kaiveran's response was satisfactory for the time being.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xite

The more I read his posts, the more I just want to make like a Norwegian and club Tiger Woods in the head. Because he deserves it more than baby seals do.

Xite, start producing content that is helpful and not asinine.

How was it satisfactory? Or did you just mean the reason for being gone?
Uhm... you are aware that I was responding to a case against me, right?

[Xite91]

You've decided to discuss the mason claim until you were blue in the face and you're fighting with flawed logic about your case on Mysterio. You're tunneling hardcore and looking for anything to make Mysterio look scummy at this point.

Really? Is that what I'm doing? I really just thought I was arguing against a case that was made against me. Way to blow that one out of proportion. And, no I'm not tunneling. Actually, I have suspicions on a good amount of people, and am doing what I can to investigate them, if I was tunneling, I would have a vote on mysterio and I would be ignoring everyone else in the thread.

[Xite91]

1) Oh I'm sorry. You removed your vote and turned around and voted someone who accused you.

And your entire reason you need to defend yourself so vehemently is because you overaggressively tried to make a mason claim something it wasn't, and now you're scumminess has been revealed.

I really hope you're not talking about Mysterio, because I never voted him, I voted Kai for obvscum behavior.

No, I was pointing out all the reasons for a mason claim, and just warning the masons (in case they're noobs/ don't think too well) not to counterclaim. I'm pretty sure Mysterio was the one making it something it wasn't. Not quite sure how I made myself look so scummy by defending what seemed to me to be complete bullcrap that needed correcting. But eh, what do I know?

[Xite91]

1) Yeah, I guess I

really

misread Agar's post. I could have also sworn that there were more votes on Xite (drugs are bad, kiddies.) I think the little clear reasoning that was there was understood though. Mysterio is very likely to be an actual mason, and if he's not, the real Masons can nail his ass to the wall with a counterclaim, which wouldn't be a good move if he was anything other that what he says he is. Nice one, Myst.

So now I have

Xite

to deal with:

2) OMG, they used a similar phrase, they must be scumbuddies! Protip: Being pegged as scummy for tunneling on someone doesn't mean you can shift your attention to someone else to get out of it. You're just exhibiting the same behaviors against me, which is not doing anything to avert suspicion. Digging up petty shit like this is only getting you dirtier.


3) How is

any

of this "based on" WIFOM? I was simply saying that a scum counterclaim was not a wise move as it narrows down the possible culprits

very fast

, which is something that

no

scum wants to do. Notice how I used the phrase "at

least

50%". That means in the

best-case scenario, a scum counterclaim will result in half of the lynch targets being bona fide scum

. Hence my viewpoint. I fail to see how WIFOM factors into any of this. Looks like I'm not the only one who could brush up on my reading comprehension.

4) I already addressed this point. I wasn't thinking about the principle of devalued scumhunting because the hubbub was mainly about Myst, who I've already established is non-suspect. I wasn't thinking straight. Forgive me for being a member of the gaffe-prone human race.

5) What. The. Fuck.
Again, do you comprehend what you read? Number one, I've already reconciled my misunderstandings with Agar, and number two, I thought the point would have been pretty damn obvious;

it is a bad idea for Masons to claim on the next day, regardless of what happens.

If Mysterio were scum, he would have been run over by the real masons already. I also did look at the other outcomes for counterclaims, and if you were actually ppaying attention you would have grasped that by now.

6) This is one of the few times where I can employ the term "OMGUS" literally.

1) Or masons could be doing the smart thing and waiting to CC. Just sayin
2) Funny. I do recall changing my vote before he said anything about tunneling. But if I'm wrong, you can always let me know. Also, yeah, it was scummy because you used the same terms, made the same basic reasons for eventually voting, and then voted for the same person.
3) That whole thing is a steaming pile of WIFOM.
4) Uhm... ok?
5) Starting with that first actual sentence, the answer is yes thank you, very well. But I think you have your idea of time screwed, because again you are going crazy about something that happened later in the game. In this case the post I'm responding to right now. Look at point one my quoting of your post. Interesting, isn't it?
6) Ironically, very little of my case on you had anything to do with you voting me. It was partly buddying up and partly blowing out of proportion and now even misreping things (although you could have done that before, I'd have to go check) I just don't like how you seem to be trying to ride on the tail of someone else's case.
So yeah, i'm pretty sure my vote is in a good spot right now

[Xite91]

oops EBWOP, meant to have this on my other post

I just began school so it's kinda hectic. But I'm not lurking because I would post when I see the new content.
@Xite: Reading you just reminds me of scum. And I don't see how a town could react like this:

Mysterio is either a genious or scum. Masons,

don't

counter-claim plox, if he's scum thats what he's trying to get you to do.

And one more reason is that you wanted me modkilled ..
So that's all ..
basically ..

Ok, first point has no real reason, just an easy to jump on a wagon.
Second, wow. Just wow. Lets just forget for a second that that was a joke and think... If I was really pushing for a modkill there, what would be my reasoning? Did you break any rules that would result in a MK? Did you break any rules in general?

[Xite91]

1) I can't see how your idea could be better, so please elaborate.

2) Gladly. Just because nobody

said

that you were tunneling on Myst until recently doesn't change the fact that you

were

tunneling. You exhibited the behavior then, he points it out now; a rather simple relationship, really. And about my reasoning being similar to Myst's and voting for the same person; people

can

do that, you know. It's called "agreeing". This game wouldn't get very far without agreement...

don't you agree?

*rimshot*

3) That whole thing is a steaming pile of WIFOM.

And now

you're

repeating yourself in order to evade my question. You already said that my idea was WIFOM-y. I went over it and asked

how

it was WIFOM-y. So far, you haven't answered my question.

5) Starting with that first actual sentence, the answer is yes thank you, very well. But I think you have your idea of time screwed, because again you are going crazy about something that happened later in the game. In this case the post I'm responding to right now. Look at point one my quoting of your post. Interesting, isn't it?

Huh? Me going crazy? Time screw? Either this has some really profound, deeper meaning that my internet-addled mind is missing, or you're just padding your post with pseudo-sensical fluff to make your case look stronger. In any case, what time suspicious behavior occurs doesn't matter; what matters is that it's

suspicious!

Crazy eh?

1) Simple, if they wait until tomorrow, If he's not actually a mason, masons should wait to CC because
He runs the possibility of being NK'd tonight, so if he's VT or scum, it's better than loosing a PR whoohoo cross-kills
Tomorrow an actual mason could claim, whether myst is NK'd or not, one of them will prolly get lynched, if they're not the scum, then we lynch the other one the next day which will more likely be scum, a pretty good trade off, especially considering we have a chance of scum cross-killing at night.
As long as there's one mason left, we still have a chance of catching scum with CC's.
Satisfied?

2) But I really wasn't tunneling before then either. Besides, since when did tunneling become a scumtrait?

3) I don't know how to explain it? Its a big guess on how scum/town would act. That's what I consider WIFOM. I know there's a more literal term for it, but I really can't be bothered to remember it, especially when WIFOM is so close to it anyways.

5) But, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, you were calling it out because you had "already resolved it," right? But you didn't actually resolve it until

after

I made that post, so it's invalid.

6) Oh, ok makes sense

[Xite91]

Xite is imploding. The fact is scum will not try to counterclaim because neither scum team has the numbers, period. If they did try to counterclaim, my real partners will chime in and we would have two scum handed to us on a silver platter. If instead scum stay quiet and I am night killed, you will still have two Masons collaborating and possibly dead scum if Xite gets lynched. That's a 1-to-1 trade off which is always bad for scum.

However, I disagree with Kai in that my partners should NOT claim unless I'm counterclaimed, even if I'm about to be lynched. Although, with Xite making himself look scummier by the day, that seems unlikely. Having all three of us claim would certainly clear three players and make us more likely to be town than anyone else, it would also give both scum teams clear targets. With two killing parties, two Masons could get wiped out in a single night. Hence why I've only been pushing for Xite to be lynched because of him incredibly scummy reaction to my claim. Anyone pushing for my partners to claim without me being counterclaimed either isn't thinking things through or is rolefishing.

Funny thing is I'm still unsure about how my reaction was scummy. You pointed out "what" was and beat around the bush plenty, but what about it IS scummy?

@Everyone else voting for me ESPECIALLY Shotty

Where's the case that comes with it? Kai kind of gave one, but what about everyone else? It looks like reasonless voting to me. And if you look at nopoint, he even says it was partly an OMGUS reason based on a joke I made about modkills.

[Xite91]

Ok, first point has no real reason, just an easy to jump on a wagon.
Second, wow. Just wow. Lets just forget for a second that that was a joke and think... If I was really pushing for a modkill there, what would be my reasoning? Did you break any rules that would result in a MK? Did you break any rules in general?

No it's real alright. I'm coming for you >:). But the 2nd reason was obviously a joke

Myst is obviously mason. Anyone trying to explain why he's likely a mason are scummy.
Andrew is likely Xite's buddy though.

Wait what?
First off I'm pretty sure I didn't try to explain why he was a mason (and if that's your reason, what about the people that did?)
Second, how is that scummy anyways?

[Xite91]

im his buddy? ur more likely the scum sucking up the the claiemd mason trying to make urself look good

Sorry, this has nothing to do with the game, but PLEASE do me a favor and look up grammar. Spelling might help too.

[Xite91]

Funny thing is I'm still unsure about how my reaction was scummy. You pointed out "what" was and beat around the bush plenty, but what about it IS scummy?

I'm not going to rehash all of this discussion. I will note that you have really backed off now that you've got a few votes on you. Why? Earlier you were quick to break apart posts and overreact, but your "demeanor" has very quickly changed to a more quiet defensive state. This looks to me like you know exactly what makes you look scummy, and so you're changing your playstyle in order to not stand out as much.

who else do you think slipped mysteriou?

At this point, the only one who looks suspicious enough to warrant a vote is Xite. I would put some of the spotlight on Kai, who was very quick to defend me, and his reasoning about my partners claiming is way off. Also, smashbro has posted in other games, but hasn't posted in this game since voting for bv310 in post #101. I'd like to know what he thinks

about Xite's play.

Or, I could have lost a lot of my extra time by getting some terrible news and trying to cope with it as well as trying to get a job, looking for a new apartment, hospital visits, and trying to sort things out with a bunch of stupid people? Maybe I haven't been doing so much because of that, just maybe.

Bolded. I love isolation like this, why didn't you say about the game in general, or do you prefer everyone tunneling me and forgetting about the rest of the game?

[Xite91]

1) Appeal to emotion. You act as if my question about your changing playstyle was unwarranted, and then you go off on some personal note that really has no place in this game. I also have to wonder why you're still here if all of this is true. Real life issues should come way before some silly forum game. I don't know if you're taking this personally, or if you're just using an appeal to emotion to try and get everyone off your back. I'm leaning toward the latter.

Bolded. I love isolation like this, why didn't you say about the game in general

2) Because the game in general is about you. You're at L-2 and have acted the scummiest by far. I'm interested in what Smashbro's read on you is since his last post.

3) @andrew What is your read on Xite? Do you or do you not find him scummy?

1) Nope, just thoroughly pissed off. I was giving you my reason for the random change in personality. Maybe this game is my release and therefore giving up on it at the very moment that it gets bad is kind of moot?

2) Orly? I thought it was about finding scum, winning, things like that? Since when did it become about me?
Also, still waiting on that reason for why it's scummy, not just from you but from everyone voting me.

3) The isolation like this that you're pulling is actually usually a scumtell because it makes you have to make a case less, but makes it easier for you to jump on those people if they dont make a case/make a poor case. That's the reason I said something about it before, and that's why I'm getting even more suspicious of you now.

[Xite91]

Of course it does
I would really like people to look at the people on this wagon, either now or when I'm dead, whatever (preferably now). There is definitely scum on it.
I still have yet to get a post on What is scummy about my posts and How they are, just that they are and the reaction feels forced. Which could easily be attributed to the fact that my initial reaction was genuine concern for outing PR's and the rest was frustration for having a terrible case that has barely been described pushed against me, and then everyone tunneling me excessively (seriously, has there even been any other cases made on ANYONE?). Just sayin.

[Xite91]

I really hope that's sarcasm andrew.

[Xite91]

Just making sure.
So, to get some more discussion going and maybe get something started for D2 (since there is almost nothing but my wagon being talked about)
Andy, who do you think is scum?

[Xite91]

Wait what?
First off I'm pretty sure I didn't try to explain why he was a mason (and if that's your reason, what about the people that did?)
Second, how is that scummy anyways?

I said "people" and "are" and that sentence was not meant for you. If there's no counterclaim, Mys is obviously mason, that's it .I just don't see the point of trying to explain why he might likely be mason unlike you want to earn good impression/ town cred.

First, he's not %100 confirmed as mason, the real masons could just be biding their time, as they should be. I do, however, believe that it is more possible for him to be a mason, since no one is attacking him (actual masons would try to push for his lynch without giving away their roles IMO)
^ Just to letcha know, this is the first time I argue that he could more likely be mason than VT.
The rest was just my speculation based on plays of my own.

So what is your case on me again, then?

Andy, please learn english so I don't have to hire an interpreter, kthnx

[Xite91]

Scums run a high risk by claiming mason like that because all it takes is 1 real mason ( mislynches or not ) to out them. Given there number ( they are trying to fight the other scum team as well remember?), I think it's impossible for them to take such risk. And Mysterious' posts look clearly town.

I have no real case against you except for the way you reacted to Mysterious, I just like to vote you and we'll see.

Oh, ok, so it's a blatant wagon on the only real suspect in the game so far?

Unvote, Vote Nopoint

Sorry, but you're the most scummy to me so far.

[Xite91]

ConfidAnon making a vote based off of "meta" when he's been in two games with me, BOTH of which are ongoing and lacking conclusive flips on both sides of the fence, is awful. And yes, my vote is partially to bandwagon. To bandwagon scum. They deserve to die.

Other than that, I'm fairly confident in my Xite vote, and already have seen a buddy practically out himself. Hi Andrew.

The more I read his posts, the more I just want to make like a Norwegian and club Tiger Woods in the head. Because he deserves it more than baby seals do.

Xite, start producing content that is helpful and not asinine.

Interestingly, that was your reason for voting me, when I already disputed that I was only saying what I was in response to people saying things to me.
Not to mention, before that we got,

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mysterio

Open mason claim is bad.
Thinking that leaves him confirmed town is worse.
Ignoring the fact that there are two scum parties is even worse.

then you left that one because

With further thought, leaving Mysterio alive is a good idea. At worst, we lose a mason tonight. At best, scum might cross-kill. Give the masons a night to discuss it and if Mysterio dies, oh well, he dug his own grave.

UNVOTE:

Need to re-read reactions to the claim now.

After that, you find a pretty good reason to vote Kai

Posts #101 and #103 have seemed to slip under the radar completely.

#101 discredits both Mysterio and Xite as townies. Not a mason and a townie, but two townies. I find this peculiar.

#103 is contradictory in an incredible sense of the word. Basically ignores the mason issue, and goes after a player not contributing with their vote while not contributing themselves. Middling and going after a lurker. Looks fantastically scummy.

VOTE: Kaiveran

Then you leave that to vote me for.... an null tell?
I mean, because I'm posting things that are "asinine" AKA responding to peoples posts...

[Xite91]

I done been prodded. Who are we lynching? I would prefer to not have to read up.

I lol'd. I really hope this isn't a serious post.

[Xite91]

pls get replaced don_johnson arudeboy and smash and etc

Uhm... or just play the game?

[Xite91]

Okay the three points where he is "coaching" me

i see this as a huge attempt to distract attention
rofl xite...

What is?

answer mysterioes question

This looks like he just wants the answer to a question, though IIRC he never told me what question

the point is
he claimed
no1 cc'ed
so...
why are you arguing against him
are you mason or what shit

This looks like he's role-fishing, not coaching

xite why were u arguing against an un cc'ed mason.
nopoint pls stop lurking

...

yes i agree with the similarly. it seems as if kai is trying to do something there or just BANDWAGONING

unvote

Again, rolefishing
Oh what's this? According to Agar, he's coaching nopoint, too!
...
Or maybe it was a good point? Just maybe

[Xite91]

i'm not itching for an andrew wagon. i see what you are trying to say. i'd like the kai lynch. i'm also not going to stand in the way of the xite lynch. he very well may be scum, i just think we're better off analyzing the wagon first. this game didn't really start any serious discussion until page 4, so lynching now is actually like lynching at page 5. that's damn quick, and for xite to be run up that quick i am way more suspicious of the wagon than of the player.

and now you're fence-sitting.
How about a vote?

[Xite91]

and now you're fence-sitting.
How about a vote?

how bout you learn to read?

i'm not itching for an andrew wagon. i see what you are trying to say.

i'd like the kai lynch

.

i'm also not going to stand in the way of the xite lynch.

he very well may be scum, i just think we're better off analyzing the wagon first. this game didn't really start any serious discussion until page 4, so lynching now is actually like lynching at page 5.

that's damn quick, and for xite to be run up that quick i am way more suspicious of the wagon than of the player.

Sorry missed that you voted for kai, but the bolded still implies fence-sitting.

1) No I see bandwagoning as scummy, but I'm not afraid to be scummy. Bandwagoning is great especially during Day1, when scums can manipulate the majority of the action if we lend them time. Now that Xite is at L-1, I still want to lynch him because his reaction posts doesn't sit well with me at all. He doesn't have that laid-back-ness typical of a town. He responds to everything directed at him no matter how trivial his response could get. And he sounds pretty much like a defeatist.

Plus, he wants me modkilled.

2) @Don: Your case against Kai is okay, but I'd like a Xite lynch. I like Agar's case against Andrew better than yours though. What do you think of Xite?
3) @SSBF: You vote on me is kinda funny, especially considering such a weak case you have and that you mentioned all those analysis unrelated to me in the same post ). And btw, do you think you've contributed more than me SSBF? If not, do you think you are scummy SSBF?

1) WHA? You do realize that you said that scum can manipulate a wagon (pretty much) but you still want to lynch me?
My reactions are me getting pissed because I really haven't seen any good points against me, least of all yours (can't say shotty because there WAS no point), and how do I sound like a defeatist?
Bolded. Damn, for a joke, you sure are bringing it up a bit.
2) Did he not already answer the question? Now it seems like you're pushing me because you know that I'm not part of your team and therefore have a pretty good chance of being town... plus, I'm the easiest person to try and lynch because I'm so close.
3) First, SSBF is a different player
What kind of questions are those?

My vote stays

[Xite91]

@Kai
1) I said I think he's more likely to be vanilla townie than scum or mason
2) This is probably just a difference in views, because I feel I wasn't because I was looking at other players and such, you said I was because I wasn't looking at them as much as you would have liked, correct? So honestly, we can drop this point.
3) Fair enough

So, what is it that makes you still suspicious of me? Or are you now just coasting until the lynch?

[Xite91]

drmyshottyizsik posted in many other games, especilaly when he fought real hard not to be lynched(he posted a whole page of stuff) so i dont see why you can post in other games and not this.

stop piggy-backing plox

[Xite91]

Okay, nevermind on my big case.
Bye guys, it was fun!

[Xite91]

First, piggy-backing is riding the tail of someone else's case. (I agree, plus -insert small null tell here-)
Second, People that should be looked at tomorrow = Don, Shotty, Nopoint, Kai, and possibly Andrew based on their voting habits.
Don - Obvious reasons, although I think he just did it to avoid a stalemate, also it could be revenge (still sorry about that game, Don)
Shotty - Go back and read his case on me... wait you can't, there isn't one. He pushed it because I was the one with the most votes.
Nopoint - A lot like Shotty, he was blatantly wagoning (he even said so himself) but didn't take off his vote when I got to L-1? That's not what people do when it's just for pressure/discussion.
Kai - "I don't have as much suspicion on you, but I'll keep my vote, just in case" <--- that's what I was getting from her posts
Andrew - Looks a lot like confused town, but eh we'll see.
@Shotty - WTH should I claim? You're gonna find out soon anyways

[Xite91]

well played mysterio. andrew was really suspect, but your extremely light defense read like a breadcrumb to me so i backed off. and yes, killing me was a huge mistake. o well.

killing me was a huge mistake too