Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!

[TheButtonmen]

I, [recruit's name], do solemnly swear by [recruit's deity of choice] to uphold the Laws and Ordinances of the city of Ankh-Morpork, serve the public trust, and defend the subjects of His/Her [delete whichever is inappropriate] Majesty [name of reigning monarch] without fear, favour, or thought of personal safety; to pursue evil-doers and protect the innocent, laying down my life if necessary in the cause of said duty, so help me [aforesaid deity]. Gods Save the King/Queen [delete which is inappropriate].

[TheButtonmen]

Greetings Plum, Budja and Thor good to see you all agian.

Vote: FakeGod

The "Wait for me!" VOTE COUNT

jimfinn (2): Tasky, Plum
Plum (1): VasudeVa
Thor665 (1): KHG
VasudeVa (1): jimfinn
Tasky (1): Budja
FakeGod (1): TheButtonmen

Not Voting (5): Chronopie, Narsis, FakeGod, Mysterio, Thor665

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

That seems like such a canned scumtell that I am immediately satisfied with my RVS skillz.

Truly they be some mad skillz.

I however am content with my RVS vote and may I add that the FakeGod wagon is spacious, luxurious and serves complimentary breakfasts?

[TheButtonmen]

Hurray!

Also would anyone here care to share if they are an alt and/or hydra?

[TheButtonmen]

What do you think of Thor explicitly stating he voted you to get the ball rolling?

[TheButtonmen]

Yeah, but don't Townies also want to create pressure on players to try to figure out if they're scum or not, especially when there's no other information to analyze?

Leading question is leading.

[TheButtonmen]

Leading question into seeming change of opinion makes me all sad.

I would say that scum wants to increase the number of people on a wagon in order to create pressure on a player, in the hopes that they make an exploitable mistake, yet when that player flips town, they will note be blamed for the lynch. With seven to lynch, 3rd vote is not to blame, but starts the ball rolling (same could be said of 4th, I suppose).

EBWOPDTCOT: I would say that to get the ball rolling would be a reasonable thing for scum or town to say, and is thus a null-tell.

Please explain how Thor being the third vote is major scum tell yet getting the ball rolling is a null tell.

[TheButtonmen]

Mod request to stop editing votecounts into posts. It's easier to look back at them with a mod ISO. Thanks.

Seconded.

[TheButtonmen]

Hi.

Also, my vote counts as two votes. @jimfinn YOU DUN GOOF'D

But I won't bring the hammer down with you at L-2.

Vote: TheButtonmen

Why are you so eager to wagon jimfinn? Using the wiki doesn't tell me anything except that he might be a little new.

Super sketchy.

Your comment at jimfinn is that he goofed up which reads to me like you know his aligment (goof'd as opposed to scummy).
Secondly since you stated a wilingness to vote Jimfinn then said you found my attack on him suspicious as he is obvnewb, explain the dissonance there?

[TheButtonmen]

Also, my vote counts as two votes. @jimfinn YOU DUN GOOF'D

But I won't bring the hammer down with you at L-2.

Vote: TheButtonmen

VOTE COUNT

TheButtonmen (1): Mysterio

Mysterio mind explaining?

[TheButtonmen]

Super sketchy.

Your comment at jimfinn is that he goofed up which reads to me like you know his aligment (goof'd as opposed to scummy).
Secondly since you stated a wilingness to vote Jimfinn then said you found my attack on him suspicious as he is obvnewb, explain the dissonance there?

Careful. You're skirting pretty close to OMGUS.

I would like you to explain why you thought jimfinn was changing his opinion unreasonably? And also why you felt the need to make multiple posts defending Thor?

I already explained where I felt Jimfinn displayed what I found to be a fair amount of cognative dissonance. Also mind quoting the multiple posts where I defended Thor?

Is this a serious question? Obviously, the mod isn't going to reveal my power in a vote count. Have you never played a game with someone who had a double vote?

The mod isn't going to reveal your double voting power on the vote count?

Every other game I've played with double voters they have shown up as having two votes (hence them being double voters)

[TheButtonmen]

Unvote; Vote: Trasky.

[TheButtonmen]

Every vote I make is serious.

[TheButtonmen]

Serious meaning not random.

[TheButtonmen]

Ugh.

Why would you claim like that.....

Also this is twice now you have used "information and discussion that has taken place as a result of my claim should" as an excuse recklessly claim in an antitown manner.

so you want to know my thoughts?

well tbh i got nothing but nulls right now.

How? At the very least, you should be suspicious of me.

Explain?

[TheButtonmen]

@Mysterio:

Twice now you have used "information and discussion that has taken place as a result of my claim should" as a reason for your claims, mind explaining what information you got from them and anaylising some of the relevant discussion?

I'd appreciate if no one hammered before he answered.

[TheButtonmen]

He has 6 votes on him and it's 7 to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

I didn't ask about mass role claiming, please answer the question I asked.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mystery:

You already claimed to have gotten reactions / discussion.

And I claimed as a way to give town some valuable information, but also to see what reactions I could pull from the other players. There is a special "catch" to my power, but I'll reveal it after I gauge a few more reactions.

However, the information and discussion that has taken place as a result of my claim should be valuable to town.

Preview Ninja'ed by Plum, more to come after I read her post.

[TheButtonmen]

Stop speculating about flavour and role claiming and start talking about in thread material.

[TheButtonmen]

Preview Ninja'ed by Plum, more to come after I read her post.

I still want to hear that post you promised...
is this all you can come up with?

It needed to said and at the moment yes, I'm currently waiting for a few people to post.

@Mysterio:

Still waiting for you to answer my actual question.

[TheButtonmen]

What's wrong with making the most of my vote? Narsis isn't in any danger(yet.), and I'm curious what he has to say for himself with a gun to his head.

This vote now seems super weak as you just announced that its just for pressure and you wouldn't have voted him if he was in danger.

[TheButtonmen]

Actually.

Unvote; Vote: VasudeVa

[TheButtonmen]

@Everyone:

Let's compare VasueVa statments about people!

Plum seems like Plumscum. She is very vocal about her dislike about rolling scum. When people get a role they don't like, they tend to lurk/post fluff which is

exactly

what she is doing. Plus I've seen her as scum before~

FoS: Plum

Query: Do you have any idea why you were chosen for your power?

I'd have to guess it was random (or semi-random), considering there was no night zero and no actions that could have taken place.

I'd like to hear Narsis' response before voting for him. I will UNVOTE: Mysterio for now.

70% sure this guy's scum.

Hi D2 lynch!

I was voting for you, and now Narsis, in order to gather information about your alignment.

Now guess which he is voting!

If you answered the one with the most votes already on him rather then the people he called scum then you just won the grand prize!

This thread needs more VasudeVa votes.

The "Not much has changed since last page" VOTE COUNT

Mysterio (4): Tasky, Narsis, jimfinn, FakeGod
Narsis (4): Plum, Budja, VasudeVa, Thor665
jimfinn (1): Chronopie
VasudeVa (1): TheButtonmen

Not Voting (2): Mysterio, KHG

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

Specify the part you want me to disregard.

[TheButtonmen]

@Plum:

Thoughts on VasudeVa posts 228 / 230 where he backs away from the attack on KHG?

[TheButtonmen]

@Thor: I am under-21. Do I assume that American beer is weak? Also, grok is roughly equal to gather, correct?

What does American beer and sex in a canoe have in common?

Spoiler: Warning foul language.

Their both fucking close to water.

Grok = In that context it means to understand, it's from Stranger in a Strange Land.

[TheButtonmen]

@KHG:

Why do you always assume they are talking about Narsis when they mention scum hunting and whats your main reason for disliking the Narsis wagon?

[TheButtonmen]

Me.

Unvote; Vote: KHG.

You guys left me high and dry on the VV wagon .

[TheButtonmen]

Well I'm happy with my vote.

[TheButtonmen]

That's L-1.

@Thor:

Time to break out Mjöllnir!

[TheButtonmen]

Vote: VV

For all the same reasons as yesterday and the recent role fishing.

Not really sure if I can call it rolefishing though, it's more a long the lines of role harpooning or perhaps role torpedoing.

[TheButtonmen]

@Button: Why don't you adress my points before you actually jump on me and go 'OMG I FOUND A WIKI-SCUMTELL LOLX'.?

Mind backing that up with a quote?

[TheButtonmen]

implying wagon accusation wiki tell

Huh?
I love how you always attack me never my points, though yesterdays deflection was much classier.

[TheButtonmen]

Commander Vimes has acquired DRUNKENNESS and will receive a power today.

To me implies its a one day deal.

This thread needs more VV votes.

VOTE COUNT

Chronopie (2): Narsis, Thor665
VasudeVa (2): TheButtonmen, FakeGod
Narsis (1): jimfinn
FakeGod (1): Budja

Not Voting (4): Chronopie, Plum, VasudeVa, Tasky

With 10 alive, 6 votes are needed to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

V/LA until Friday night or Sat morning.

You mean, just today / tomorrow? -M

[TheButtonmen]

Back, catching up now.

Post by tonight.

[TheButtonmen]

@Thor:

A) At the moment Chrono however right now my reads are very much D2 centric as I desperately need to reread D1, I've lost track of things while I was gone so I'll get back to you tomorrow with a final answer.

@VV:

Do you think I am scum?

@Plum:

In regards to FakeGod scum after ISOing him he appears to be acting quite towny however this could be a perspective problem as he's buddying up to my views on a lot of things.

@Thor / Plum:

You both asked me about thoughts on FG so I'm being lazy and answering you both at once, I don't think he's scum, he's been playing in a very earnest and straight forward townie manner and though his recent posting in regards to the VV wagon really confuse me they actually make me more sure he is town.

One thing that I did notice during my read of today was:

Just saying Rolefishing is a Scum tell, doesn't help. As afaict it isn't much of one.

I know that I'm probably the antithesis of a good townie. And I know that I tend to Rolefish (sometimes inadvertently), ALOT. Alignment independent. Null tell.

if you are the antithesis of a good townie then what is the point of keeping you around? wouldn't it be better to kill you now then have you causing trouble later?

My conclusion at the end was: VV has done many anti-town things, but in order to do them he would have to be town.

so in that case wouldn't it be better to find and lynch scum?

I'm not liking the contradiction here.

More later after I've read D1.

[TheButtonmen]

@VV:

Answer my question please.

@VV:

Do you think I am scum?

[TheButtonmen]

A) No it wasn't.

B) Answer the question.

[TheButtonmen]

I say bullocks.

I flat out don't believe you.

A) Trying to erase your scumminess by saying you did it on purpose to draw out the scum is lulzbad defence.

B) How acting scummy makes scum vote you.

C) Why you didn't investigate either of the people voting you (me and FakeGod) but instead investigated Chrono the second his lynch became seemingly inevitable.

D) Explain why FakeGod is so obvscum it would be a waste of an investigation.

E) Explain why I'm not worth investigating.

F) What's the connection between drunkeness and Day Cop (Charisma and DV had a clear and obvious connection)?

I'm going to make a wild guess and say he's going to get a guilty and then expect us to treat him like confirmed town.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

B) Explain how acting scummy makes scum vote you.

[TheButtonmen]

I will be investigating Chronopie. I have already sent it. If he's innocent, we lynch FakeGod then Tasky. If he's scum, we lynch Chronopie then FakeGod.

......

ButtonMen is my pick for the third scum.

Explain why I don't get lynched after FakeGod in the "If he's innocent" plan?

Seeing as how I'm the third scum and all?

[TheButtonmen]

C.) Oh that's easy. I haven't used it yet. I was bluffing so that people will unvote. HAH. Nice reaction btw.

Can't decide if you going to bus or try to save him yet eh?

[TheButtonmen]

@VV:

Explain how you purposefully acted scummy.

Also, why the fuck would I risk a 'scum gambit' like this at DAY TWO with absolutely no pressure on me? Of course, I'll put it out there that me and Chrono could be scumbuddies but I guess I'll have to catch scum today then, huh? I don't mind. I already caught you.

Yes you have put yourself in the bind of having to bus one of your buddies to make this gambit believable, I assume that's why your all your bluster about me being 100% scum you've never discussed investigating me.

Look, TBM, I agree VV's play has been far from perfect, but unless we get a counterclaim I'm inclined to listen to VV and get some investigation results.

I'm not saying he isn't Vimes, I'm saying he is gambiting scum Vimes.

[TheButtonmen]

Wait, Vimes could possibly be scum? I don't know that. . Hell, I'm not even sure why Drunkenness = Daycop.

Hurray for back tracking on areas I was attacking!

Something I'd like everyone to Answer:
If you were me, who'd you Daycop? Gogogo Content Go!

How about you answer my question first? Gogogo Content Go!

D) Explain why FakeGod is so obvscum it would be a waste of an investigation.

No, copy pasting someone else's case doesn't count.

[TheButtonmen]

D) Explain why FakeGod is so obvscum it would be a waste of an investigation.

I just disliked that vote. When I started 'role-harpooning' I had the mindset that votes 2 and 3 on me are scumtells.

So he's 100% obvscum not worth investigating because he voted you?

[TheButtonmen]

Ignoring your utterly fail logic that's a big leap from;

It's a good lead.

To

FakeGod is obvscum. I do not even want to waste my investigation on him.

Explain how him voting for you (be it a good lead or not) makes him obvscum not worth wasting an investigation on.

[TheButtonmen]

Fail.

That example you used happened AFTER you made the post claiming he was obvscum not worth wasting a vote on.

Please try agian.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

Investigation not vote rather.

[TheButtonmen]

What the hell are you talking about? My #463 or #464?

Both.

I'm loving all the EBWOPs btw. . It indicates panic, in which you admitted to in a recently finished 7 player game where you were scum.

Link?

[TheButtonmen]

Uncooperative much? You really can't hide that one from me. Freaking = Panicking w/e. I do my research.

.....What?


I'm going to quote that post here for everyone to see.

Blurg, badly played.

I started freaking when my partner claimed cop the second he got voted D1.

Good shootin' Elli and here's another for the list of scum meta you wanted.

Explain to me what your trying to get at with this post cause I honestly don't understand.

Lol Both!? #463 points to a post WAAAYYY before my claim. Your point is invalid.

Hold on, I'll contact my daytalking scumbuddies and get right back atcha.

Didn't you read his long wall of scum where he says I'm scum because I'm antitown or something like that

and then his recent posts wherein he proceeds to suck up to me

?

Screams obvscum to me.

You thought he was so obvscum that investigating him would have been a waste, surely it can't be that hard to make a case agianst him?

[TheButtonmen]

We lynch you after I get my guilty.

Oh so you have decided to bus today excellent!

[TheButtonmen]

You thought he was so obvscum that investigating him would have been a waste, surely it can't be that hard to make a case agianst him?

I did.. T'is short and sweet. Just how I like 'em.

Once agian I'm going to be quoting the post VV linked for everyone.

eh VV, it's cool if you don't believe me. But I was just being honest.

O well, Cheers.

Is there like, a tool somewhere here to ignore obvscum posts?

I'm not even gonna investigate you, so shut it. We lynch you after I get my guilty. There is absolutely no town reason to make a large wall post for my lynch like that when you claim to have seen my breadcrumb.

Great case.

Explain to me what your trying to get at with this post cause I honestly don't understand.

EBWOPS indicate panic(or something else but hey, whatever. I can live with confirmation bias when I'm right.). You panicked in that game. You were scum in that game. Therefore, you are scum in this game.

How many EBWOP's did I make in that game then?

I love how for all this flailing your doing.

[TheButtonmen]

You are nit-picking my words and choosing the most vague ones and then giving a bad interpretation.

Link?

I'm generating a fuckload of content

Link?

catching

bussing scum

FTFY, Your statment about how you were going to get a guilty before you even chose a target made me lol.

whatever you're doing is a horrible unprecedented tunnel on me.

Are you scum tempday-godfather or something?

Aw does me not believing your fake claim make you sad?

[TheButtonmen]

Your question was asking me if I'm the scum temp godfather, for what it's worth I deny that.

Now please answer mine.

[TheButtonmen]

Your Case (the one explaining why FG is so obvscum that investigating him is a laughable waste of a one shot):

Is there like, a tool somewhere here to ignore obvscum posts?

I'm not even gonna investigate you, so shut it. We lynch you after I get my guilty. There is absolutely no town reason to make a large wall post for my lynch like that when you claim to have seen my breadcrumb.

First off I'm really digging how you know your getting a guilty before you even know who your investigating, secondly there is a town reason for making long winded some what weak attacks on you after seeing your bread crumb (to see how your respond, to give cover, to distract attention ect) and thirdly that's not a case.

Now please answer mine.

[TheButtonmen]

Also, don't you think by quoting specific parts of my explanations and then asking 'link?' it's nitpicking? I think you've answered your own question.

No, I'm asking you to back what your saying up. That's not nit picking at all.

FTFY, Your statment about how you were going to get a guilty before you even chose a target made me lol.

In this statement, it seems like you believe my 'fake claim'. *snicker*

Please die.

Since you apprently don't understand what I'm saying I'll be blunt.

Your scum.

Your trying to get confirmed(ish) as town by claiming Daycop and "proving" it.

You know you need to get a guilty for maximum effect and thus you refuse to investigate me or FakeGod (Your top scum reads) and instead are bussing a partner (hence premtivly knowing your going to get a guilty).

Now please answer my questions?

[TheButtonmen]

Right.

Thanks for giving away your partners though.

[TheButtonmen]

Chrono and Trasky.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm really conflicted on TBM, I understand his doubts, I don't understand being so intense about a player who just claimed Day Cop.

-shrug-

When I see something that to me seems super scummy start trying to lead town I start playing a lot more aggressively in an attempt to show the rest of the town the issues I see before their way of thinking is changed.

In this case I wanted to stop anyone from treating him as confirmed town for what seems like blatant bussing.

Guilty result. Speed lynch, nao.

Shocking.

Unvote; Vote: Trasky

[TheButtonmen]

That won't save you from your D3 lynch, Buttonmen

What won't?

Another "No change"

VOTE COUNT

Tasky (4): VasudeVa, Narsis, Plum, TheButtonmen
Chronopie (3): Thor665, Budja, Tasky
FakeGod (2): jimfinn, Chronopie

Not Voting (1): FakeGod

With 10 alive, 6 votes are needed to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

He's scum.

VV already outed his partners.

[TheButtonmen]

Interesting.

Thoughts on the following:

If someone protected VV they claim, eliminating 2 people from the lynch pool for today, Dorfl then claims (as if VV is town it looks like only town is getting the imprints) eliminating a third.

If nobody protected VV then we play as normal.

DON'T CLAIM TO HAVE OR HAVE NOT PROTECTED HIM UNLESS A LARGE PORTION OF THE TOWN AGREES TO THE IDEA.

[TheButtonmen]

A) That's not fishing.

B) If he's town he's the logical kill (thus the logical protect) so the fact that there was no NK means if it was due to a protect he's by far the most likely to be the common target for both scum NK and doc protect.

[TheButtonmen]

A) That's not fishing.

B) If he's town he's the logical kill (thus the logical protect) so the fact that there was no NK means if it was due to a protect he's by far the most likely to be the common target for both scum NK and doc protect.

A) yes it is. you are trying to find whatever protection or roleblocking or whatever role it is that prevented the kill(assuming there was one). that is role fishing.

B) that's just WIFOM.

A) No it's more along the lines of mass claim.

B) That word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

@Button, I thought you thought VV was bussing?

I'm still highly suspcious of him however I'm not infalliable thus try to keep an open mind and in this case town may be able to narrow things down a fair bit today.

[TheButtonmen]

With 9 players alive, a massclaim is too early IMO.

I feel like it's worth discussing at least at this point due to the daily imprinting, also I'm not advocating a mass claim more of a partial claim.

[TheButtonmen]

Dorfl is publicly confirmed to be in the game. Dorfl is pro-City Watch in the books, as far as I can recall/determine via Wikipedia (I

did

read

Feet of Clay

, just a long time ago). Chrysoprase, scum-Tasky's character, was not

This is the bit that I'm going in circles about.

From all the evidence we have it seems that good guys are good guys, bad guys are bad guys and that imprints only go to good guys (hence my suggestion at the start of the day). The issue I have with this is that I can't think of a set that's balanced where the mod confirms someone every day + gives them a PR + town has existing PR's (part of my issues with VV stem from this).

[TheButtonmen]

Also Chrono's weird arse timing on the claim, the no kill over the night and VV magically proclaiming chrono town has furthered my suspcions of the Chrono, VV and Trasky scum team.

But again it all hings on the imprint system so bleh, until more information I'm going to be working with two set's of scum.

@TBM, top suspects?

Set 1: VV and Chrono.

Set 2: Narsis and ??? (Need to do a read through with set two in mind).

[TheButtonmen]

...He's dead?

[TheButtonmen]

agreed. although i do trust VV's claim based on the fact that giving a daycop ability to scum seems kinda pointless. and fakeclaiming it while having another power also doesnt seem likely at all.

however i wouldnt necessarily trust Mysterio's DV claim(actually i didnt) nor necessarily TBM's(and i think i may know what power it is) as they are such that they could benefit scum.

i guess giving scum a daycop ability does benefit them in that a townie doesnt get it...but then why bother claiming and bussing his partner? seems a tad bit of a risky move.

@TBM: yes but he was scum. meaning he must be in a scum group somewhere.

A) There is plenty of reason to fake Daycop as scum (it's actually the easiest role to fake).

B) I never claimed to get a PR?

@Your@Me:

Huh?

[TheButtonmen]

Wait I think I get what your asking me and in response I have to ask if you actually read the thread D2.

I was explicitly clear who I thought the scum team was (Trasky, Chrono and VV).

[TheButtonmen]

A) There is plenty of reason to fake Daycop as scum (it's actually the easiest role to fake).

A) true. but why go out and buss a partner like that when he didnt need too? Tasky wasnt even on the top of everyone's scum list.

Believability.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod:

Can we get a prod on Thor and Chrono?

Well, I would've done, but, y'know. -M

[TheButtonmen]

@Buttonmen: Are you even paying attention that I'm un-counterclaimed Vimes AND Vimes is mod-confirmed to be in this game?

I've never said you aren't Vimes.

[TheButtonmen]

Chronopie is awesome. <3. I am 90% confirmed now.

Why?

[TheButtonmen]

Since I don't know the setup, I don't know whether that's fair or not to the scum team. You don't know either, unless you are scum and knew the setup better than I do.

Okay, since you've thought about this - what sort of scum team do you think could deal with an unblockable, unkillable town confirmation every day phase that also gives town powers while also potentially having a JK as well as any other roles that may or may not be out there while also having at least one vanilla goon on their team?

I haven't thought about it, but brainstorming: what if mafia could double-kill on one of the nights? or have 2 roleblockers? or maybe it's a 4 vs. 8 player setup? or some combination of mafia doc/tracker/rolecop/JOAT? or maybe mafia can recruit more members?

Ewww, bad FG bad!

Baseless speculation that can't be verified and doesn't help in anyway.

That right there is hells of lazy.

I agree FG isn't confirmed, but he isn't scum for getting the power either. (No, I'm not calling him town but I'd still rather lynch jim or Button. Those players have given me less reason to be uncertain)

EDWOP for jim's post.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Button

A) What about Jims post made you happier with him.

B) Lay out a case on me.

[TheButtonmen]

@VV:

I repeat once more I've never attacked your Vimes claim. Why do you keep thinking that if you point out that your Vimes enough your auto cleared?

[TheButtonmen]

Hurray for still ignoring my questions!

[TheButtonmen]

Hurray for quoting one vague line out of a post!

Let's quote what I actually had to say about your role name hm?

Look, TBM, I agree VV's play has been far from perfect, but unless we get a counterclaim I'm inclined to listen to VV and get some investigation results.

I'm not saying he isn't Vimes, I'm saying he is gambiting scum Vimes.

Once agian you fall back on the fact that your an un CC'ed Vimes rather then bothering to do any sort of analysis or making a case.

[TheButtonmen]

So, you HAVE attacked my Vimes claim.

FFS, no I haven't.

The fact that you only attack this point endlessly rather then using anything that actually happened in thread makes me all the happier with my scum read on you.

[TheButtonmen]

Also also, you have been stretching badly with your attacks on me. I mean seriously, The moment I claim you automatically attack it instead of doing a regular 'Oh, let's wait and see!' reaction that I'd expect from a regular player. There is something off with that and I want you dead because of it.

I attacked because you botched your claim making it obvious you and your boy Chrono were scum.

[TheButtonmen]

Nevermind that a claimed JK protected me and there was no kill today?

People wtf.

He's endlessly falling back to the fact that he's Vimes and now he's using this fail WIFOM to clear him and his buddy Chrono.

Can someone explain to me why they think he's confirmed, cause I sure as hell ain't seein' it.

[TheButtonmen]

So your 100% sure I'm scum but can't be bothered to attack me.

Lulwhut?

[TheButtonmen]

Having reread page 25, I'm getting a very scummy vibe from the interaction of VV and TBM. TBM seems to be beating a dead horse way too much over the Vimes claim issue, and acts like flailing scum. I am prepared to hammer, but will not do so until the end of Plum's V/LA in order to allow her to post regarding all that has happened in her absence.

Stop being lazy town, don't reread one page.

Explain why you find the interaction scummy don't just go along with the majority and call the whole thing scummy and if your so sure I'm scum start looking for connections between me and other players. You've been sitting back on the sidelines all game and just going with the majority, time to step up.

[TheButtonmen]

@Thor:

My agenda is quite clear, Chrono and VV are the last scum. I can't really advance it at the moment as half the town has been absent and those present all think VV is conf town due to his weak arse claim.

[TheButtonmen]

Chrono was here while Trasky wasn't.

[TheButtonmen]

Your VV vendetta is quite silly.

Question, I get lynched and flip town will you bother to go back and read my case on VV or are you going to dismiss it?

By that I mean do you think what I'm saying isn't worth discussion because your sure I'm scum trying to mislead town or do you find my reasoning flawed?

You haven't made it clear where you stand on the matter.

VOTE COUNT

TheButtonmen (4): VasudeVa, Narsis, Budja, Chronopie
FakeGod (1): Thor665
Budja (1): Plum

Not Voting (3): TheButtonmen, jimfinn, FakeGod

With 9 alive, 5 is needed to lynch.
Deadline is Friday 17th.

[TheButtonmen]

@FG:

You never expressed any suspicion of me when I was in immediate danger of being lynched then when pressure started building on you you pulled a 180 and started attacking me trying to divert it back onto me.

More tonight, I'm in class at the moment and don't have too much time.

[TheButtonmen]

Maybe he will realize the truth about VV scum, maybe the mod is handing out powers randomly and somehow town has gotten them every time or who else knows what.

Play the game, not the mod.

[TheButtonmen]

Ninja'ed by Thor I see.

To make my point clear your doing the same thing VV did, endlessly falling back on the fact you got a power rather then discussing in thread material.

[TheButtonmen]

/InB4Prod.

Post and Vote within 14 hours, the post is taking more time then I expected and I need to start getting ready for my shift.

[TheButtonmen]

Back.

Nice short shift due to orientation.

Post in the next few hours.

[TheButtonmen]

@Button - how does your FG/VV scum team feel at the moment?

I don't actually see this as a possible scum team, imo if he had wanted to FG could have forced through my lynch earlier today. (Note I'm not saying that I think FG is town because he didn't lynch me, I'm saying I don't think he is partners with VV because he didn't go for the lynch on me.

His Button vote/unvote reasons were all really weird.

Word.

Though it wasn't his reason for voting me that stood out to me, it was the timing. However I'm going to stick with my town(ish) read on him for the moment.

@Budja:

Why the change from;

I think jim/Button is unlikely now. jim/FakeGod is possible.

to

If FG or Button were scum I had jim pegged as the partner.

Chrono's active lurking is really starting to bother me, this is heightened in light of his claim.

[TheButtonmen]

Whoops, hit submit rather then preview when I was checking my tags there.

I'm getting nervous about Jimfinn, Narsis, Budja and Chrono, way too much lurking / sheeping coming from that area and while I can explain most of it due to inexperiance it's becoming increasinly worrying as the game advances. I'm most bothered by Chronos as his claimed status as a protective role, where his play today isn't what I expect from an outted PR at all.

However due to deadline and the lack of people willing to hang VV and/or Chrono of all the current wagons I like the Jimfinn wagon the most (

Vote: Jimfinn

).

Though I'm quite open to moving it around should someone make give me a good reason to.

[TheButtonmen]

the scum not having tried to kill him vs. VV last Night is especially ODD

I may have mentioned my belief that they are gambiting scum once or twice?

...or maybe a couple dozen times.

[TheButtonmen]

@VV:

It is now DAY THREE.
Deadline is Friday 17th September, about this time.

[TheButtonmen]

Please note that time is in EST.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod:

Vote: Jimfinn

I voted Jimfinn back in post 738.

My bad, missed that since it was on the right hand side of my page. I'll fix the votecount. -M

[TheButtonmen]

"I am aligned with the city watch and win when all mafia are dead".

I'd prefer for Button or jimfinn to go first.

A) Jimfinn is dead.

B) Any objection to me starting?

[TheButtonmen]

Lol Your fine with the thing you suggested eh?

The question was more directed at Budja as I don't know if he wants to do anything before the popcorn.

[TheButtonmen]

Though I'd prefer to mass claim before he resolves his stuff / uses his power as more information before usage = better.

VOTE COUNT

Not Voting (7): Chronopie, Budja, Plum, TheButtonmen, VasudeVa, FakeGod, Thor665

With 7 alive, 4 is needed to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

Name: Constable Downspout.

Role: TOWNIE.

Next up: Thor.

[TheButtonmen]

@Thor:

I feel like Fakegod is the wrong lynch today, imo we need to start sorting out the PR issue today.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mod:

Can we get a FG prod.

VOTE COUNT

FakeGod (2): Thor665, VasudeVa

Not Voting (5): Chronopie, Budja, Plum, TheButtonmen, FakeGod

With 7 alive, 4 is needed to lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

What happened between;

Believe me, I srsly would have wanted to die right last night when I found out I was wrong about jimfinn.

Vote: FakeGod

How many mislynches do we have left?

In that post you believe that FakeGod is scum but in the your next post;

Actually, the scumteam I have in mind is:

TBM/Thor - Neither of them received a power yet. Plus I'm sorta kinda irked at that Thor's defense of TBM that was slightly unwarranted. But the unconfirmed masonry sealed the deal for me. Unconfirmed masonry is the mod's way of teasing us with 'One of you guys is scumm~' (And when someone teases, they probably will please~)

TBM really should have died yesterday. jimfinn deserved that lynch though.

Vote: TBM

You think me and Thor are, what made you change your mind to town!FG?

[Insert obligatory snark about VV falling back to roles again / still here.]

@Others not named ButtonMen: What's your take on the current discussion?

Hmn?

It's stuff like this that really confuse me, who knows maybe it's a playstyle diffrence but if your 100% that I'm scum and that I still have a partner out there wouldn't you want me posting?

Secondly if you don't want me to respond because you think I'm scum why not include Thor on the mute list if you think he's my partner?

[TheButtonmen]

Can't believe I missed this when I was making my post.

@Thor: It's a very minor version of the case with ChronoPie. Regardless, it's essentially the same case. Tasky to heavily attack those two players upon his return. I understand that you don't get it though, but that plus FG's waddling yesterday(reminded me of me as Town with a heavy wagon.) makes me not want to lynch FG.

According to this post VV thinks FG is town due posting Tasky made and due to the wagon yesterday. But how did VV enter today?

Believe me, I srsly would have wanted to die right last night when I found out I was wrong about jimfinn.

Vote: FakeGod

By jumping on the FG wagon.

@VV:

'splainy?

[TheButtonmen]

You think me and Thor are, what made you change your mind to town!FG?

[Insert obligatory snark about VV falling back to roles again / still here.]

I forgot. I forget things. T'is part of being human.

I like to ignore scum-posts. It's easier on me to ignore scum when they flail as hard as you do.

Doesn't make sense, you deflect my attack by saying you forgot who you thought was scum and then simultaneously try to dismiss it as flailing.

Either me pointing out your randomly changing your scum reads is a valid point (hence you admitting you made a mistake and forgot your scum reads) or it's worthless scum flailing.

Also why is it every time I point out yet another example of cognitive dissonance or scum slip in your play you always immediatly dismiss it as flailing scum rather then actually defending against them or at least explaining where I misinterpreted you?

By jumping on the FG wagon.

I like wagons, haven't you noticed? *cough*D1*cough*

You like bandwagoning someone your 100% positive is town D4........

Right.

Scum.

[TheButtonmen]

@Fakegod:

You've been listing lots of possibilites today not stating what you believe.

So top 3 scum picks and why?

[TheButtonmen]

I'm here, rereading parts with different assumptions and waiting for a Plum post atm.

[TheButtonmen]

A) Woooooooo Chrono voting.

B) VV newest flip flop onto Chrono makes me even more

suspicious

confused as he was just 100% sure that chrono was town.

Vote: Chrono.

[TheButtonmen]

A) Woooooooo Chrono voting.

B) VV newest flip flop onto Chrono makes me even more

suspicious

confused as he was just 100% sure that chrono was town.

Vote: Chrono.

Hahaha. No.

Unlike you who keeps taking on a silly stance that doesn't accomplish anything nor convinces anyone, I like to listen to people. Srsly, try it sometimes.

If somehow your town post game we really need to have a talk about the cost / benifits of your dismissive prickishness style towards any attacks on you.

[TheButtonmen]

::puts away party gear slowly and backs out of room::

I'm scared though, if he flips scum that means FG was actually telling the truth about how he reacted to VV and that *terrifies* me.

I don't see why that would terrify you, it undermine multiple reads?

I'm just doing a slight WIFOM induced wobble step at the moment as I try to consider why scum's actions have been what they've been - I feel like we have a few too many "pro-town" players left and am trying to puzzle out why Narsis was the target last night.

I'm assuming at this point that either some someone widely accepted as town is scum thus they are keeping a support base alive or there is two scum left.

I'll make up my mind as to which tomorrow after seeing what Chrono flips.

[TheButtonmen]

^ Plum is confirmed town.

Actually that's a good point, she can only be scum if you're scum, which is what I was considering - but since there's only one scum left that makes her confirmed.

'splainy how we know there is only one left?

Set up to me doesn't make sense with the day abilities (2 day cop), doc and all the dead scum being goons.

[TheButtonmen]

EBWOP:

Set up to me doesn't make sense as a 3 man scum team with the day abilities (2 day cop), doc and all the dead scum being goons.

[TheButtonmen]

TBM - your first angle of discussion is seriously issue with the likelihood of a 3 man scum team?

VV flip screwed up a lot of my reads until I'm done figuring somethings out I'm not ready to discuss people yet, thus I'm falling back on set-up discussion atm.

[TheButtonmen]

That's L-1.
I am perfectly willing to hammer, later.

I'd prefer you waited until everyone checked in.

On a side note, Fakegod/VV might actually have been right . This is worthless speculation at this point, but I think scum gave out the powers.)

Hm?

[TheButtonmen]

^ It would help if you and Button were less apathetic.

It's a 37 page game, there is a very good chance we are in Lylo and as I've all ready stated I need to reread this whole thing, I'm in 3 other games, in university and work. It's been 48 hours since I posted, give me a chance to finish, we have the time.

[TheButtonmen]

@Buttonmen - just curious, why aren't you voting FG right now? The read might help for getting evidence, but the logical town play from your perspective seems like it would be obvious - am I missing something?

I'm not casting my vote until I'm done reading.

[TheButtonmen]

@FG, I want you and Button to fight.

No.

You know what, I still have my town read on him, A) FakeGod scum doesn't really make sense and B) That's too obvious.

Weird kills + Obvmove make me all sorts of paranoid.

Instead I'd like to discuss a no-lynch.

[TheButtonmen]

This game is giving me WIFOM induced headaches whenever I try to figure it out but I keep reaching the approximately the same conclusions so here's my thoughts on the matter.

I really don't see FG scum, I've had a town read on him most of the game and he doesn't really jive with the dead scum we have.

Therefore I think the PoE that fingered me and FG is flawed.

The kills are making me

However PoE could only have been planned out in advance by one of the lovers.

Budja works better with the flipped scum then thor.

Budja's play today bugs me.

The mod effectively handing out the same role twice is odd.

Vote: Budja

.

[TheButtonmen]

I know my alignment, I think FG is town therefore the PoE that says one of us must be scum is wrong imo.

[TheButtonmen]

Trust me if I could point at something specific I would but there is no obvious flaw in the PoE, it makes sense.

However I have a piece of information you people don't (my aligment) and a stubborn town read on FakeGod so I know the end result of the PoE is wrong, therefore I know the PoE itself is flawed.

-shrug-

Can't do much more then that I'm afraid but on the bright side your now 100% cleared for not just auto-hammering so barring Fakegod scum really pulling the wool over my eyes then town auto wins tomrrow.

[TheButtonmen]

Sounds good, see you guys and gal post game.

[TheButtonmen]

GG everyone; This game reminded me just why I hate the cop role so much, set-up seemed quite unbalanced from my end. I think your underestimating just how powerful Daycops are.

The doc protect was the turning point here, after it we were back peddling the entire game. I really wanted to kill Thor but never got the chance to.

My favorite moment was getting daycop and then purposely acting scummy and retarded to attract the scum votes. xD.

Don't be proud of that, your play was about the only reason the scum stood a chance. Also I would have attacked you exactly the same if I was Godfather or not, I wasn't attacking you trying to get investigated.

[TheButtonmen]

Also long as my scum mates don't mind them I'm okay with Scum QT being posted.

[TheButtonmen]

@jimfinn - You're right, this is some strange 8:4 uber scum team vs. auto clearing bastard town mod setup. The problem is they haven't realized yet that they need to target the mod with their NK in order to win.

This quote made me actually laugh out loud when I read it.

Turns out you can't kill the mod though.