Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!

[Chronopie]

I, [recruit's name], do solemnly swear by [recruit's deity of choice] to uphold the Laws and Ordinances of the city of Ankh-Morpork, serve the public trust, and defend the subjects of His/Her [delete whichever is inappropriate] Majesty [name of reigning monarch] without fear, favour, or thought of personal safety; to pursue evil-doers and protect the innocent, laying down my life if necessary in the cause of said duty, so help me [aforesaid deity]. Gods Save the King/Queen [delete which is inappropriate].

[Chronopie]

Hai to Budja, Plum, VV, and Fakegod.

VOTE: jimfinn for a lack of caps in his username. (fyi:

F

ake

G

od and

T

he

B

uttonmen would also have fit the non-consecutive caps vote reason.)

[Chronopie]

jimfinn's generic wiki-scumtell is noted.

[Chronopie]

What Tasky said. Claiming DV this early just paints a target on your back.

Also, ftr: I played a game not too long ago in which the DV was recorded as a DV. (Although Nikanor had to actually type: Vote: Person x2) Here's a VC

[Chronopie]

VOTE: Chronopie for being first of the player list.

And I'm first on the playerlist, because I pm pre-/in'd the second I saw This game in the Upcoming Games thread. I mean, Sam Vimes has the balls to arrest a Dragon...

[Chronopie]

Claiming Nobby is one thing, claiming Double voter, comes with the name claim, given the Daybreak post of gaining Charisn'tma. Claiming VT? Not a good idea.

Assuming the claim is true, Scum now effectively cross you off the NK list. Dead PR > Dead VT, from a scum point of veiw.

Given the Flavour of the game, anyone (without a good knowledge of the series) would be very hard pressed to come up with a beleivable Fakeclaim. On that issue:

Who

Doesn't

know enough of the flavour to pick the odd one out in this list?

Vimes
Carrot
Colon
Nobbs
Angua
Detrius
Weatherwax

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Mysterio is at L-1, claimed Nobby Nobbs, VT (Temp. DV). I personally feel that he's probably telling the truth on the Nobby-VT claim, (although flavour wise, Nobby would qualify for some kind of thief role.) Therefore I will not be dropping the ==[]

[Chronopie]

/prodded. Apparently MS ate my post yesterday.

so the quick version:

I don't actually like how the Narsis Wagon built up. (I had a paragraph or two, but events since have nullified those points)

Plum seems Town. Mysterio aka Nobbs is prob. town.

VV seems scummy Fakegod is null-scummy. need to see more from the rest before I get a good read.

The odd one out on the list was Weatherwax, a Witch. The rest are watchmen. (Detritus is a troll btw) /off-topic

[Chronopie]

^ Explain this. Explain why you showed an interest in voting for Narsis. (and give me a proper answer this time.)

I didn't show an interest in voting for Narsis so as much I said I was willing to vote for him, just as I am willing to vote for everyone. Perhaps if you explained what was so

improper

about my previous answer, I could attempt to give you a

proper

answer.

Backtrack city, here we come! You clearly said "I'd like to hear Narsis' response before voting for him." This implies that you were not merely willing to vote for Narsis (apparently that's default status towards all other players for you; if you were merely as willing to vote him as anyone else, why state it at all?) but actively considering doing so, depending on his responses. You were considering it, and you were interested in it. You never stated why you would be. Please explain.

Also, while you're at it, explain what prompted you to unvote Mysterio.

Screw it; trying to get out of answering questions, plenty of other stuff including backtracking on the Mysterio wagon (first him claiming VT was directly scummy, then "I'm not intending to be confrontational, that claim is just

Mysterious

(ha) to me") for no explained reason, the rolefishing coupled with the outraged reaction to Mysterio's bite at the bait is more than enough to want KHG strung up.

UNVOTE: Narsis
VOTE: KHG

Who's with me?!

Thirded VOTE: KHG

I'm calling KHG | Narsis | VV

or

FakeGod. gg.

[Chronopie]

Just saying Rolefishing is a Scum tell, doesn't help. As afaict it isn't much of one.

I know that I'm probably the antithesis of a good townie. And I know that I tend to Rolefish (sometimes inadvertently), ALOT. Alignment independent. Null tell.

[Chronopie]

/prodded.

Sorry I haven't been paying as much attention to this game as I should. But I just bought L4D and been playing that every waking minute. [/not a real/good excuse, but w/e.]

So I see wagons on myself, VV, and FakeGod. I assume I'm being wagoned for lurking. AFAIK VV for Rolefishing/role-harpooning , FakeGod for... Wagon hopping and an overly strong attack at odds with the rest of his play?

OTOH: Thor looks extremely town, Plum looked good D1, but slacking a bit. I'm getting Null reads on Jimfinn, Budja, Tasky-v/la, and Buttonmen (And VV). null-Scummy on Narsis. idk about Fakegod. I'm going to look back on some past games for him.

[Chronopie]

Wait... FakeGod: Do you have any completed Scum games at all? I see only town games on your wiki

[Chronopie]

Well that doesn't help

So I'll just have to contrast it one of your town games...

From Go Play in Traffic (complete)

You find it weird that Fate changed his post style, but he seems more logical, so you are hesitant to follow him? Then you blatantly join the wagon just because Fate said so? Do you understand the reasoning behind the wagon?

Well, logic doesn't mean I should follow him. I play by inconsistency-tell, so when someone suddenly changes stance I get suspicious.

When I said logical, I didn't mean he was more convincing, but rather in a different style. It was a miscommunication. Don't worry about it.

This Quote just sticks out at me, because FG claims (as part of his town meta) to play by inconsistency-tell, yet commits inconstancies here.

VOTE: Fakegod

[Chronopie]

The excessively strong push on VV is at odds with the rest of your playstyle. Thus inconsistent.

-P.Edit: ya know, reasons help-

[Chronopie]

Did you read Fakegod yourself or just my attack?

Skimmed the last few pages of thread, and compared his iso in Traffic and this game.

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I'm not a big fan of Meta myself, but We don't have any NA interactions / scum flips to draw info from.

[Chronopie]

VOTE: Tasky

So I get pushed to L-2 overnight, then someone gets Day copped guilty.

I'll claim, seeing as I was very seriously lynch candidate.

Sgt Fred Colon. Town Jailkeeper

Custardy Officer lol. (Anyone that knows the Flavour should get that joke)

[Chronopie]

Going to be semi-V/LA over the next week, have a group presentation to work on. posting this (or something to this effect) across all games.

[Chronopie]

/mass-prodded. Semi-V/LA status still applies.

Trust a Uni to give a person two assignments, a test, and a presentation all on the same week though >.<

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I targeted VV-Vimes for a JK last night, as I figured the scum wouldn't want a confirmed townie running around. (Given that Vimes was Mod-confirmed to be in the game, was un-cc'd, and had a Day-cop power, which is pro-town, especially considering that he found scum.)

[Chronopie]

Nevermind that a claimed JK protected me and there was no kill today?

Please vote for yourself so we can speedlynch you faster.

This

VOTE: Buttonmen

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Although speedlynch isn't necessarily the right word. We want long enough to find your buddy/buddies.

[Chronopie]

/prodded.

What've I missed?

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@Chrono - you alive man? I would love to hear your opinions, as our town PR, natch, as to the relevancy of the belief that only town are getting day powers.

Can you say broken/breakable setup? We could just wait for any awesome powers (like the day-Cop) and cruise by, with another confirmed townie each day.

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Don't use Strength. (I think making someone voteless is kind of a dud power for a townie anyway.)

[Chronopie]

Don't use Strength. (I think making someone voteless is kind of a dud power for a townie anyway.)

Telling me not to use Strength after me telling you I used it doesn't really work, dude.

Plus, you do realize you're just repeating what Thor said about the setup. Anything you want to

add

?

Yeah sure.

Given Series Flavour, I'd be reluctant to believe that Dorfl is town.

Nobby, Vimes - Both Important Characters in the books.
Colon, Angua, Carrot, Detritus - Other important Characters in the books

Dorfl... Not so much. Down there with

Cheery

, Stronginthearm, A.E Pessimal etc.

[Chronopie]

Can't say I noticed your crumb.

Although it is a noticeable trait in the books.

[Chronopie]

You said you still believe that mod confirms not only town but scum as well, even if I were to flip VT.

This means you believe that among the mod-confirmed players (Mysterio, VV, me, New-mod-confirmed-player), there is a scum.

Mysterio and I were VT, and VV claimed Vimes and caught us a scum.

By process of elimination, the last player in question (the new-mod-confirmed-player) has to be scum, according to your beliefs.

Is there anything wrong with my deduction?

What's bugging me is how FG is overextending this 'logic' of his, to say that Mod Day power #4 MUST be scum.

He assumes that

his

being 'town' is a forgone conclusion for

everybody

, thus pushing a lynch on tomorrows player

by default

.

UNVOTE: TBM
VOTE: FakeGod

[Chronopie]

So people disagree with my playstyle. (fyi: Lurking is a meta null-tell)

And I don't play like other outed PRs. Tough shit if I've never bothered to engineer my playstyle for a particular situation, especially one I've never encountered before. (Of Gods and men doesn't count, as it was extremely power heavy)

I spot a tell, I'll think it over, maybe check an iso, and then, if I believe it's actually valid, present a case. Spam-a-lot is not endorsed. Until then, I'm going to post what I need to, what I can help with, and lend my vote where needed. If I see a WoT case I largely agree with, maybe having pointed out something I missed, I'm not going to try fabricate additional reasons to vote someone, because the WoT is sufficient and damning enough.

[/rage]

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I gambled, protected VV, and (presumably) stopped a kill. Probably won't get so lucky twice. Ofc all this debate about whether I'm actually a JK is probably going to wifom the scum into keeping me alive for the potential of an easy lylo win. until then, I'm going to try stay one step ahead of them.

[Chronopie]

Shoe? as in Reg Shoe?

Don't leave us hanging.

(For anyone familiar with the flavour, besides myself, who thinks that shoe should have

something

special, related to death, and dying, and I'm going to remain vague here until he provides flavour, but )

VOTE COUNT

jimfinn (4): VasudeVa, Budja, FakeGod, TheButtonmen
FakeGod (3): jimfinn, Chronopie, Plum

Not Voting (2): Thor665, Narsis

With 9 alive, 5 is needed to lynch.
Deadline is Friday 17th.

[Chronopie]

I've already claimed. but w/e. go ahead.

[Chronopie]

"I am aligned with the city watch and win when all mafia are dead."

Carrot-Lie detector I guess?

[Chronopie]

@Chrono - have you name claimed yet? If not, please do.

@Plum

Yep.

Just to refresh everyone's minds:

Sgt Fred Colon, Jailkeeper.

[Chronopie]

Chrono - Fred Colon - JailKeeper
Thor - Angua - Neighbour
Budja - Carrot - Neighbour

TBM - Downspout - VT
Plum - A.E Pessimal - VT
VV - Vimes - VT
FakeGod - Dorfl - VT

Well, it appears that PRs can gain Day-Powers (re:Carrot).

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Be back later.

[Chronopie]

Narsis flipping Doc makes us slightly heavy on town PRs considering we also get day powers. So either scum get day powers too, scum have some awesome powers no one has yet noticed, or some of the PRs are lying liars.

I'm guessing that Scum can get day-powers too, because Tasky was "Cheery", a female Dwarf Watchman (watchwoman?), who was revealed to be Chrysoprase, a Troll businessman. I think the mod would eventually having given "Cheery" a power.

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A consistent Doc (Narsis), A consistent JK, a pair of (unconfirmed) Neighbours, and some VTs. w/ OS day powers

vs.

A Goon (Tasky) and ????. Who I think can gain Day-powers.

[Chronopie]

Radical idea.

D2, I claimed JK'er shortly BEFORE night started. There was no kill.

I thought that I got lucky and protected VV.

It's too late to ask, but Narsis/Igor-Doc may have successfully protected someone else instead...

[Chronopie]

Semi-V/LA over the next week or so, until I get full internet access back.

[Chronopie]

GG guys. Sorry about the limited access over the last few days.

I hope you get all of 'em.

VOTE: Chronopie (overhammer?)

[Chronopie]

Overall, the Jailkeeper claim fit my fake-claim flavour. Naturally, once the doc flipped, I knew my time was limited.

I note that I was advocating NK'ing Budja-Lover, but was overrode by TBM to kill Narsis-Doc instead. Might have swung the game in our favour. oh well.

I liked the flavour.

[Chronopie]

Better to be suspected of VI-town, than picked out as scum.