Mini #1022- PokeUPick(Game Over)

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/confirming

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Dude I have seen a dementor and a patronus on the same team so anything is possible. I'm the Magikarp Salesman btw.

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hey Gandalf. You can get the 151. Transfer them all to one game so you can start a new one just to get mew. There are guides online.

Also VOTE: gandalf

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I was asleep. Not my fault I live in Australia and slept in.

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Not the same reasoning behind my vote but still adds to the case. We have scum here peeps.

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Cases should be posted.

lol. Cases should be posted if you have finished building the case. Why post a small case when you can wait a page or two so you can catch them doing the same thing again adn again and thus have a much more compelling case.

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Cases should be posted.

This. Voting without posting your reasoning is 100% sure to be unhelpful to town.

Man just no.

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Ok before I get misrepped. If the whole town acted then noting would get done but one or two people doing this helps town.

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Dude. Read. my case has nothing to do with that. I even said as much.

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gandalf case coming soon.

FoS: bv

I want a post from you.

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You sir haven't played with Vezok before.

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Ok back. My bookmarks went spastic and looks like I forgot a game. Will do a reread. Post what my case was up until my last post then post on the rest of what has been going on. sorry guys.

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K I'll write it now.

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Best if you read his iso alonglide this, saves me quoting. I am only going up to where I first voted.

iso1: I don't like this post when it is reviewed after your other posts. It's almost like yep lets do this because I have a fakeclaim ready and waiting so HA.
iso2: Rolefishing.
iso4: Yeah wigglytuff. I don't trust that being a good role having played PMD. He is a boss at one point.
iso5: ...
iso7: Overreaction in one word. It was this post that set me off. He is way to trigger happy. Almost as if he is waiting for something he can slam really hard while still looking town. I don't like that play as every time I see it the person is scum.
iso10: I have been in games where they haven't been told their flavour and ones where they have. Assuming you are scum gives a motivation for this stance. i.e. Mafia doesn't have a particular kill flavour and as such you think you can vote here for that reasoning while it looks valid.
Then comes my vote. I held off a while because as you can see many of the arguements I have can be solidified with repeat offences. His play has been sub par and like all jittery day 1 scum he has settled down now into the masses. I take credit for that for not being around. But yeah Gandalf is malicious to town be it 3rd party or scum. I can feel it in my bones.

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Well because had I remained active I could have posted this case as soon as was perfectly applicible for amximum effect. It has worked for me before.

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Well with the threat of a case most scum will try desperately to look more town even if they don't know it. Therefore they are more likely to slip up doing the same bad things again and again if noone alerts them to it. Gimme a sec. I think there was a game where i caught both scum day 2 but didn't present either case until the next day.

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I haven't reread the game yet. I'll get back to you on that one.
http://67.222.17.61/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13844
Ok my iso 43 I made the vote. Presented the case at the very end of the day. The game was closed out with a scum win and I got best player of the game all because i did the same thing here as i did there and it worked.

Maybe that was an isolated time it worked out but I like the results it creates.

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I have some shotty meta from an ongoing game. This is fair town from him.

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Just gonna say willing to hammer.

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Treat me as a VT, I wont use my ability. Also, I will be v/la friday thrue sunday, having surgery

Fuck that. UNVOTE: If I have one
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

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Ok now I may have been the one that hammered but no more deliberate mislynches.

Now I hammered because with as many power roles as likely the game is both liable to be cracked by night actions and swingy. I would rather lynch someone who is less importnant member to town that a potentially more important member which could swing the game towards scum. Sadly that didn't work out seeing as we lost a cop. Now I would like to hear from gandalf.

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I roleblocked Espeonage. I suspect that I may have blocked the mafia kill, and that Xite shot vezok. I'll have to look back at Xite's posts first though.

If you are town you sir are an idiot. I actually have a role that can clear myself at night hence why I can do scummy things in the name of town progress. If you are scum it wouldn't matter anyway because you wouldn't have helped me out. Where is bv and did anyone do anything to him night 0.

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I'm magikarp salesman. Each night I send someone a magikarp. In a mini game with this many power roles scum don't get fairly useless abilities.

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ebwop Hence why it makes appalling sense balance wise that I would be scum with this role.

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They recieve a message that they now have a Magikarp.

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Having a magikarp does nothing. Just confirms me as a townie to the people I target.

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They just get. "You have recieved a Magikarp."

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Because in a town full of Power roles scum aren't going to have such a useless ability. The game would be way too unbalanced.

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k fine. I can't really make you believe my claim now can I.

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Better than yours bud.

VOTE: gandalf

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I targetted bv night 0. I targetted Gandalf last night. I could see gandalf lying. He knows that he got a magikarp and so can easily say he roleblocked me and didn't get one. So I'm inclined towards the second scenario there.

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I will agree switz is riding the line of IIoA.

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Way to steal my plan for tomorrow. That was my either opener or night thinking material. So yeah the connection has already been noted.

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Who would you like my opinion on.

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I'm not holding back opinions. Gandalf should die today. When he flips scum we can go after Nico. Tada we win. It would be a series of leaning townways because of either play or process of elimination.

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Nicol. Do you have any role related information as to why gandalf isn't scum. Yes or No?

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Would you be against full claiming Nicol?

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? Seriously. That is what you came up with? (ninja edit: @ mbf)

UNVOTE: gandalf

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Ok I can confirm myself tonight. Why would you kill me now? The town roleblockers just don't roleblock me and all is good with the world.

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I highly doubt there is a scumdoctor.

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@Gandalf: If I successfully send you a magikarp will you accept that I am town? If not why? If that reason is because there is no indication of alignment put yourself in the mods shoes and go back to the first question.

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Gandalf is recently declared town.

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Ah sorry I thought you were asking about tonight because it is a different reason as last night.

As for last night not sure. Snap decision mostly.

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I was going to give one to mbf just coz but i changed at the last minute because I had no particular plan.

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1. It's drmyshotty. I have seen him do some strange things.
2. Not really look at the balance. The fact that this wasn't advertised as bastard means should I prove my role it would also prove innocence.
3. Can't really make a comment on that. I made a choice and ran with it.
4. Stupid role.
5. The fact that I am now under scrutiny and have a purpose for the use of my role now.

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I really want to lynch Nicol of only for his flip which could break the game open as we then have alot more info on gandalf and from that we could work some other shit out. That said I also don't want to lose an active potential townie.

So I will run with a jimfinn lynch.

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Hmmm. Eh. I don't like this lynch so much. Prox was coming off as town earlier but I can't argue with the fact that early massclaim benefits scum just as much as town.

VOTE: Prox I'm not in a position to go against this lynch though.

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UNVOTE: Prox

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Which questions?

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I did and don't know.

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Well. I didn't really want a Prox lynch over others.

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This is why I rarely replace in to games.

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I can agree with that. I actually think my flip will be useful. I'd rather we lynch scum but my flip will benefit town.

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Well I would rather you all wait until I can clear myself but that doesn't change the fact that when I am confirmed town be it through NAs or lynch this game should be breakable. There have been enough close interations for us to break the game open once either I, gandalf or Nicol habe been confirmed.

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How can it be a mafia role when there are no VTs?

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K it's wifom but seriously use common sense.

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Policy would be the lay man's term. But it is more complicated than that. It was to do with pro-town not anti-scum.

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It may be prudent to say that town shouldn't put omgus or anything similar into bias when choosing night actions.

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Espy, when does your magikarp message go through?

End of night.

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Gandalf is town until we get a Nicol flip that says otherwise.

To answer Jarti I have no really strong scum reads per se. I have a cople of people I would like to see lynched however. I do also have some town reads. Suffice it to say that I think the two best lynches for town today are nicol or jimfinn

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I disagree with what espeonage said about me being a good lynch for today, but i kind of agree with a jimfinn lynch. Why i disagree with Espeonage about me being a good lynch is because I think that it would only make it easier for scum to pick off players. Example: I get lynched- I'm town- so Gandalf is confirmed town- then scum kills him- we are down two nearconfirmed town. If i'm not lynched, that attrition rate would probably go down. You know that I and Gandalf are very linked, so you can apply that information to later days. I'm probably just rambling right now, though...

I'm sorry for not taking this game seriously. I'll shape up my act soon...

Yeah I get that. it's just that your flip would be worth sooooooooooo much to town. I wont go for your lynch today but get another result tonight if you can and we can run from there. It's all about timing because depending on who is around and your result tonight could cause town to easily close this game out.

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Oh yeah sorry. He is joat right?

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I have a game that has been very tense and has needed my undivided attention. It is night in that one now so I can catch up on my other games. Expect a post within the day.

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VOTE: jimfinn

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What makes me scummy?

Answer that and you have why jim is scummy. The difference is that I am town and can prove it.

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1. Time left.
2. If you think I am scummy then you should think jim is as well because we have played quite similar.
3. He is now flailing making himself look worse.

There.

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Who could do that to an Eevee?

gandalf, get a magikarp?

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I propose a no lynch. If there are three scums then we are in mylo.

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No lynch is good. My vanillaless theory doesn't seem to work anymore.

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VOTE: No Lynch

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I was jailkept wasn't I?

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Why your kill didn't go through.

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I'm not going to be moving off no lynch today.

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Yeah kay. Massclaim and then No Lynch. =)

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K. Then we NL now. MC then lynch Xite.

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Hi Andrius and Snake.

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No No

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So snake and andrius

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I've got a sad feeling in my belly that Andrius is scum.

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I really should have trusted my gut that game. My head said McGriddle but my gut said Neto.

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Ya it was coz it is MyLo.

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That snake case was the biggest piece of poop I have seen. VOTE: Xite L-1 again.

Mod: VLA until next week. I may be able to pop in though.

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Okie dokes. I'm back. Could I get a summary. I will probably do a read through but a summary is always nice to see from people who I don't have strong reads on.

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Gandalf. He has already said he got it.

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Nope. I get to do it every night.

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Wait, It's day 4. Ok. The day changed while I was VLA. In that case I sent it to noone.

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Snake - Gandalf - Someone| in that order.

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That will be decided from the reactions. Only one lynch per day bud.

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BB not HTML mr snake.

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VOTE: Snake

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If Jarti is scum town have already lost so there is no reason to question that and get ourselves in a bad spiral of mistrust. I have already said that gandalf is likly scum but my gut is twinging me otherwise so i would rather not go there at the moment.

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I got a magikarp.

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It means me and Andrius are town.

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btw snake. The gandalf flip really isn't good for you. I would start trying to explain what Nicol was doing earlier.

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How is that wifom?

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No lynch is a good option here as we don't actually lose a lynch, we just lower the amount of people to choose from by one.

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See sig. I'm back now. Expect something in the next couple of days. It is after midnight at the moment.

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VOTE: Snake

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I have never been wrong when it comes to a self vote's alignment. This is the second scum I have seen self vote. Hammer him please.

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YESH YOU CAN HAZ ANUZZAH MAGIKARP!!!

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I already gave you her.

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VOTE: Prox

This is process of elimination. I take out the people I have town reads on and then I pick from the rest. There is also a gut element a bit in there now that the day has started.

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UNVOTE: Mah vote
We're in lylo if it is a three man scum team.

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Actually if Prox has been away that could be the no kill reason.

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Ohshi- Forgot about this.

I'm most ok for a Prox lynch at the moment. and a tentative mbf as well.

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@ Jarti: The claiming thing is a bit of a nontell considering the nature of this game.

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I think the last two scum are mbf and Prox. I'm more sold on Prox but eh. Those two reads are by process of elimination. Were Andrius scum he could have fed me to the dogs by denying having recieved a Karp seeing as the only person to confirm my power before then was a scum person. So basically for you guys if Andrius is town I am town. So that knocks out andrius.

So the only people left are Jarti, Prox and mbf. Prox isn't here and Jarti isn't playing how I would expect a scum to at this point in the game. So therefore I am seeing Prox and mbf as scum.