Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!

[jimfinn]

vote count please?

The "Calm down, there's one at the top of every page" VOTE COUNT

Mysterio (5): KHG, Tasky, VasudeVa, Narsis, jimfinn
jimfinn (2): Chronopie, FakeGod
Tasky (1): TheButtonmen
FakeGod (1): Thor665
Narsis (1): Plum
VasudeVa (1): Budja

Not Voting (2): Mysterio

With 12 alive, 7 votes are needed to lynch.

Everyone is well within the prod boundaries, I think everyone's actually posted in the last 24 hours. Good stuff.

[Thor665]

@Narsis - Was it post 138 or post 142 that made you vote for him?

[FakeGod]

Yes, mass RCing does assume that the flavor plays a role in the game. I've never been in a theme game where the flavor meant nothing, but perhaps that's how things are done here. Obviously, if the majority do not agree, then it's pointless for me to try and pressure jimfinn. And with so many votes on him, scum could jump in and hammer. So, I'll

Unvote: jimfinn

.

With so many votes on jim? When you posted this, jim had 3 players voting him.

How could scum "jump in and hammer"? I think you're just trying to find an excuse to unvote him and keep your vote open.

And I'm going to agree with KGH that DoubleVote power doesn't necessarily mean that he is town.

Unvote, Vote: Mysterio

[Mysterio]

With so many votes on jim? When you posted this, jim had 3 players voting him.

How could scum "jump in and hammer"? I think you're just trying to find an excuse to unvote him and keep your vote open.

With my vote, it would have been essentially 5 players voting for him, putting him at L-2 with 7 other players who could have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyway, my lynch seems inevitable, so when I flip town, be sure to note the one's who were most eager to get me out of the way: Tasky and KHG, with Narsis pretty much contributing nothing the entire game and then comes back to immediately jump on the bandwagon forming on me.

[FakeGod]

Oops, I thought Tasky was voting for jim beforehand. (I counted his unvote against jim wagon)

EBWOP: jim had 4 players voting him.

[FakeGod]

@Mysterio: It's true that jim had lots of votes on him, but I've never seen a RVS wagon result in an actual lynch on this site. I don't believe he was in serious danger.

[jimfinn]

I believe I am currently voting for Mysterio, but if not VOTE: mysterio

Ah, yes you were voting, my mistake. I'll edit it into the count.

@mod: I posted #150 knowing it would lead to a new page and thus a vote count; I just wanted to see it again.

OK. No worries!

[TheButtonmen]

@Mysterio:

Twice now you have used "information and discussion that has taken place as a result of my claim should" as a reason for your claims, mind explaining what information you got from them and anaylising some of the relevant discussion?

I'd appreciate if no one hammered before he answered.

[jimfinn]

@Buttonmen: Mysterio's still at L-2, not L-1

[TheButtonmen]

He has 6 votes on him and it's 7 to lynch.

[jimfinn]

I missed FakeGod's vote thanks

[Mysterio]

@Mysterio:

Twice now you have used "information and discussion that has taken place as a result of my claim should" as a reason for your claims, mind explaining what information you got from them and anaylising some of the relevant discussion?

We never really got a chance to get some reactions to my claim, but that's essentially what I was going for. It also occurred to me that RCing could be a really good way of boxing in scum and forcing them to have to fake claim, and just by doing that we would be limiting their ability to blend in. But no one agreed with that. However, all is not lost. As I said, there were a couple people who were insistent on lynching me, as well as Narsis who very obviously just jumped on the bandwagon. So, even if I do get lynched, that's some valuable information right there.

[TheButtonmen]

I didn't ask about mass role claiming, please answer the question I asked.

[Mysterio]

I didn't ask about mass role claiming, please answer the question I asked.

Eh, what?

We never really got a chance to get some reactions to my claim, but that's essentially what I was going for.

The very first sentence of my post. Not sure how that was missed. Reactions to claims can be invaluable, since scum usually react in two extreme ways:

1. They either completely believe the claim and never bother to be at all suspicious about it (when they arguably shouldn't know what my alignment is).

2. They overreact and flip out, trying too hard to sound pro-town.

But as I said, we didn't get much of a chance to flesh these reactions out before the discussion switched to RCing.

[Plum]

I think the only way massclaim helps town is if scum haven't been given fakeclaims. I haven't found a mod yet who doesn't give fake claims in theme games.

I have but I doubt that this game is one of the exception. HIGHLY doubt it. Mod quality here is a bit too high for that, given that this theme/game style doesn't seem suited for no safeclaims. Really, a mass name claim here would be unhelpful and counterproductive.

I'm going to

Unvote: Thor

(my previous random vote) and

Vote: Mysterio

.

No one pressed Mysterio at all for any information, yet he writes:

Well, I guess I don't need to hide it anymore. Yes, my power is only good for today. Tomorrow I will revert back to a VT. Hence me not really caring about claiming early, since getting NK would only mean that town lost a VT.

We knew from the wording of the mod's day post that the power would only last a day. Claiming townie when a roleclaim was not necessary seems absolutely bizarre to me, especially the talk of getting night killed.

Was it necessary to claim? No. Was it really hurtful to the Town? Well, throwing in the VT bit was a little, but we can deal and it doesn't seem to be anything but a nulltell that he did it. The talking about NKing bit comes naturally in explaining why outing himself doesn't hurt the Town, as it won't lose the Town a powerrole by NK tonight.

@KHG, my point is claiming VT at this point isn't pro-town or pro-scum.

I think it's pro-scum; why would Mysterio hammer the point home that he his a townie when no one was asking for a roleclaim?

I can't think of a single reason.

Accident/absentminded inclusion of info; when explaining that his power was only one shot he expounded that otherwise he was a VT, something he shouldn't have done.

NO SHOOT WHY THE HECK ARE WE NAMECLAIMING?

HOWEVER Mysterio pressing for the nameclaim is stupid/scummy, hard to say which. Tasky points this out beautifully.

KHG seems to be fairly new here; talking about people mentioning their Town/VT status is a fairly sophisticated (though very unpredictable) tell to be talking about. I'm not really sure what that indicates, but it's worth noting and keeping in mind as the day progresses.

With so many votes on jim? When you posted this, jim had 3 players voting him.

How could scum "jump in and hammer"? I think you're just trying to find an excuse to unvote him and keep your vote open.

With my vote, it would have been essentially 5 players voting for him, putting him at L-2 with 7 other players who could have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyway, my lynch seems inevitable, so when I flip town, be sure to note the one's who were most eager to get me out of the way: Tasky and KHG, with Narsis pretty much contributing nothing the entire game and then comes back to immediately jump on the bandwagon forming on me.

Trying to bully people off his lynch. I like the Nobby Nobbs claim, but am conflicted. Need to think about flavor more; this may well be the best Day 1 wagon available. Need to see where the other players are on this whole business and think.

Back soon.

[TheButtonmen]

@Mystery:

You already claimed to have gotten reactions / discussion.

And I claimed as a way to give town some valuable information, but also to see what reactions I could pull from the other players. There is a special "catch" to my power, but I'll reveal it after I gauge a few more reactions.

However, the information and discussion that has taken place as a result of my claim should be valuable to town.

Preview Ninja'ed by Plum, more to come after I read her post.

[Narsis]

@Narsis - Was it post 138 or post 142 that made you vote for him?

neither really. more of a combination of all his posts on page 6.

[Chronopie]

Claiming Nobby is one thing, claiming Double voter, comes with the name claim, given the Daybreak post of gaining Charisn'tma. Claiming VT? Not a good idea.

Assuming the claim is true, Scum now effectively cross you off the NK list. Dead PR > Dead VT, from a scum point of veiw.

Given the Flavour of the game, anyone (without a good knowledge of the series) would be very hard pressed to come up with a beleivable Fakeclaim. On that issue:

Who

Doesn't

know enough of the flavour to pick the odd one out in this list?

Vimes
Carrot
Colon
Nobbs
Angua
Detrius
Weatherwax

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Mysterio is at L-1, claimed Nobby Nobbs, VT (Temp. DV). I personally feel that he's probably telling the truth on the Nobby-VT claim, (although flavour wise, Nobby would qualify for some kind of thief role.) Therefore I will not be dropping the ==[]

[Budja]

Quick post:
Do NOT name claim.
Do NOT lynch Mysterio.

[Budja]

re. Mysterio. I agree pretty much entirely with Plum on this. Still, I am leaning town, it seems a little to brazen to be newb-scum.

unvote, vote Narsis

, commented early, voted later.

[jimfinn]

@chronopie: from a person who doesn't know the flavor, which is the odd one out?

and one little thought regarding Mysterio: any chance a town PR (such as the thief mentioned) would want to claim VT and try to avoid the NK? If this is a reasonable possibility I might be tempted to unvote, for while I find him scummy, I certainly would rather not risk lynching a potential town PR day 1

[Plum]

In this case it's slightly more likely than in general, but in either case powerroles don't claim VT to avoid getting NK'd because in general you don't claim unless you're in danger of lynch, and a VT claim in and of itself is generally not grounds for stopping a lynch, so the player would just get lynched instead of nightkilled.

Don't worry about not lynching PRs; DO worry about finding scum and getting them lynched.

[FakeGod]

Who

Doesn't

know enough of the flavour to pick the odd one out in this list?

Vimes
Carrot
Colon
Nobbs
Angua
Detrius
Weatherwax

ummmm..........

[Plum]

Ha.
Hahahahaha.

[FakeGod]

Weatherwax?

His/her name's much longer than others'.......