Mafia on Holy Orders (Game Over!)

[Furcolow]

vote zwetschenwasser

because I can

[Furcolow]

@Mod

: Pardon me for being a suckup in advance.

[Furcolow]

I am going to win because I enjoy it.
Next question.

[Furcolow]

Animorpher is voting me because he mislynched me in lylo in stars aligned 2 when I had a successful stalk on the last scum.
Agar is lynching me because I know him as Judge on another website.

[Furcolow]

attempting to lynch me, i should say, as if there is a case put on me it will be by scum

[Furcolow]

Let's refrain from facetiousness and snide-ass comments

xkcd people, you know what I want to do to this post. ~Vi

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: iecerint

LAL

[Furcolow]

I thought you were doing it on purpose.

This is a blatant lie.

Vote: Furcolow

Am I scum?

Sebguer: if you've read the books, watch out for my mini-theme coming up! I'm still working on it but I think it'll be really good for anyone familiar with the series.

Yes.

Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia

unvote
vote: Locke

Fixed quote tag. ~Vi

[Furcolow]

pardon the broken quotes, guys

[Furcolow]

my play is not broken, in my opinion. I like to feign ignorance when I have a lot of information (when I'm scum). As you can tell, I am not feigning ignorance whatsoever right now. You can ask me my opinion about anyone or anything. I am open to everything and closed off to nothing. I am the wind behind your ears, the soft sun on your face, and the wonder as you gaze up at the stars.

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: animorpher

a policy lynch even a VI supports

[Furcolow]

when do votes stop becoming random?
lock lamora/friend/vezokpiraka all have accrued scum points from common tells of wagoning at 3rd and 4th votes

[Furcolow]

ani, if you think that game hurts me, you're wrong.
I replaced into a game with 90 pages already done, and the mod told me I didn't have to read them. I ended up reading in lylo for probably 10 hours worth of time, believe it or not, and decided that stalking semioldguy was the best way to win as town. Guess what? It would have been. I had the game won for us, you and kunk lost it. Check out Kunkstar7's record as town. I'd be really interested in knowing YOURS too.

You know the difference between you and I, ani? You are a terrible player who deserves to die due to policy that pushes policy lynches on people who are obvtown which is scummy play. I am a terrible player who does not push policy lynches whatsoever who tries to scumhunt through feel of the game, which leads me to having wonderful night actions when haters like yourself and kunkstar7 don't want to have a policy lynch in lylo like idiots. The proper play that game would have been to have a no lynch and to let me carry out my kill on THE LAST SCUM.

By referencing that game, you do not hurt me in the slightest. Get over it.

[Furcolow]

if you think that's an attack, you haven't ever seen one

[Furcolow]

I have this gut feeling and urge to see vezokpiraka flip
I guarantee a scum flip

[Furcolow]

What I'm trying to say is:

His scum play is prob. very indistinguishable from his town play. When you play that bad as town, you can't be playing that much better as scum:

Furcolow, could you provide us a game where you are scum?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmes ... _id=137823

[Furcolow]

I am not voting because my voting has already been wishy-washy, and I seriously doubt that you all are inclined to believe me whatsoever on who to lynch considering you are trying to lynch me.

I'm going to reiterate: If people start voting vezokpiraka, I guarantee a scum flip

[Furcolow]

You're welcome, Ani.

I would like to add I haven't ever been lynched as scum, except in a marathon game, though two of my scum games have been on another site.

I am now suspicious of SocioPath if vezokpiraka is scum. They are not even my top suspects, though.

[Furcolow]

maybe if i was trapped as a peregrine falcon you would find me more innocent on a regular basis

[Furcolow]

Well, I don't have a scum list like you do, sociopath

[Furcolow]

I would like to also instigate a three-paragraph policy. Benefits of this are: reduced spamming, town cohesion, and it helps scumhunting.

Reducing spamming is like cleaning up a cluttered room. It is easier to hide things in a cluttered room than a room that is clean. Therefore, it is easier for scum to hide in a disorganized, chaotic, and spammy environment. This will lead to the town working together.

Town Cohesion will come through people waking up and performing as a collective as opposed to subjective. WE should pressure together, tunnel together, FoS together, and lynch together. I want not one to be held accountable, but all. This will root out scum if we do it, mark my words.

By doing this, and having each others backs, the environment will not bode well for scum. By hurting scum, playing correctly through reducing spam and being a cohesive unit, we will be helping ourselves.

[Furcolow]

Vezokpiraka is like 98% likely to be scum in my mind. You ask, why 98%? Because I don't lie if I don't have to. I don't KNOW he's scum. I'm not a day-time DT/Cop. The mod didn't TELL me who's scum. I'm suspicious.

There is a difference in being suspicious of someone and following your heart to catch scum, and having the actual knowledge of someone being scum. I have no brain on his scum, but I have heart on it.

Weird word choice? You betcha.


@Vezokpiraka, I had replaced into a terrible situation, and I do not count that game whatsoever. If anything, that game helps me this game. I will answer ANY question this game, whereas that game I was being an unhelpful twit.

[Furcolow]

@SocioPath, explain how that post doesnt make sense. now. And not your questionnaire to me, you saying "this post doesn't make sense". By disagreeing with a way to catch scum being a unit, you act like scum.

edited in answers to your question via preview:
I am not scum this game, and it's funny how I found out my role at all (talk to the mod) I'm on the side of the uninformed majority.

I haven't even really looked over the player list, as I have no reason to, as I'm not sure of who is what other than locke lamora/yourself/vezokpiraka are a likely scum team in my mind at this point (though it's too early to tell possibly)

Who would I kill at night 1? let me look at the player list.
Plum

@Friend, locke lamora

unvote: animorpherVI
vote: locke lamora

[Furcolow]

Furc, why locke lamora? Is he more than 98% scum?

@Socrates: Why am I more scummy than the other players "riding shotgun" on the Furc PL wagon (who've actually placed votes down)?

This is an insult phrased as a question. If Locke Lamora and Vezokpiraka were pots in poker, I would go all in on Locke being scum, and would have a lock on the hand. With vezokpiraka, I would leave a chip behind on my cards, hoping they didn't notice, so I would still have a chip, a chair, and a chance.

@SocioPath, explain how that post doesnt make sense. now. And not your questionnaire to me, you saying "this post doesn't make sense".

Short posts can be great for the town.

Long posts can be great for the town.



Does knowing that vezo is looked at to be just as much if not a little more or less of a VI as you change your opinion of his posts/play?

Yes. That is why I am not voting, and also why I'm not voting animorpher. Animorpher, however, may be acting nice because he is scum and is nervous.

[Furcolow]

to the people voting for me: I haven't ever been lynched as scum.

[Furcolow]

Sebguer, if you are town, you need to shut up

[Furcolow]

and by shut up, i mean let me respond to people who are actually competant, without forcing me to spam one liners

[Furcolow]

@ Furco -- It is my personal interpretation that your unusual style is an affectation, and that you have a main account elsewhere that is better-behaved. Also, even if that's not the case, the flagrancy of those 2 posts after Friend's question look like answer-by-example to me.

I actually do not have a main that is better behaved, and I would say that my tone and word choice are not affectations. I had to look up that word. I like it. My play, however, is an affectation. I "play the fool". Good call.

I actually have a very good sense of who is scum based on the reactions that I have had so far. Some of the people who are "sitting on the fence" with my play = town. Most of the people who are like the third, fourth, and fifth people to attack me will generally be scum. I use what I've done more than people expect.

I'll give an example: I'll post a list using an RNG. They don't see the reason for me doing things such as trying to lynch using an RNG. They say "using an RNG is scummy, you cannot lynch with an RNG." My reason for doing it isn't under the delusion of actually being able to lynch someone with it, but to gather information based upon how people react to it.

[Furcolow]

to the people voting for me: I haven't ever been lynched as scum.

Nice Appeal to Fear...

haven't heard that one before.
what are they coming out with new terms everyday so people can look smart?

[Furcolow]

I'm also not saying "i am not be scum this game", because that is pointless. You all don't know whether or not I am scum. I can try to convince you all through my play, but that has been failing so far.

Would you all rather me 1) stop taking the spotlight as a town, and potentially get mislynched through not defending myself as actively?
2) continue taking the spotlight, and posting like I am?

[Furcolow]

in relation to ani/sebguer: ani has a brain, at least. What I mean to say is, at least ani thinks for himself.

@plum, pardon you not liking my play so far, and I'm not familiar with "disingenuous". dis- usually implies negative connotations, and ingenious is definitely what I am, as I have a very high I.Q.

I'm assuming you're saying that if I'm town my mental capability is in question, and I take offense to that. I appreciate you saying that I have strong ability, or at least implying it.

@Friend, you are admitting to what? Being scum? Oh.

[Furcolow]

I'm also not saying "i am not be scum this game", because that is pointless. You all don't know whether or not I am scum. I can try to convince you all through my play, but that has been failing so far.

Would you all rather me 1) stop taking the spotlight as a town, and potentially get mislynched through not defending myself as actively?
2) continue taking the spotlight, and posting like I am?

vote 1 or 2, please

[Furcolow]

"i am not be scum this game" LOL. I'm such an idiot.

[Furcolow]

You feel like scum buddying up to a mislynch to try and be like "Oh, well, you guys, I defended him"

[Furcolow]

It probably was me. I got a 29 on it.
I know that isn't amazing, but it is definitely high enough to not warrant an attack on my intelligence.
If that's how you meant the word, touche. I am all ears as to what would be a good option for the town this game, and wish you would have provided one when you were highlighting that aspect of how you meant the word in relation to my play.

[Furcolow]

My suggestion, as I think my original statements implied, included not throwing out WIFOM-generating statements such as 'I've never been lynched as scum' at the Town; it's generally distracting and confusing, more than enough to outweigh any reactions you think you're going to get out of it. Also good options for Town would probably include not wasting time getting people talking about a three-paragraph policy.

Incidentally, you never answered my question re: that policy:

Town Cohesion will come through people waking up and performing as a collective as opposed to subjective. WE should pressure together, tunnel together, FoS together, and lynch together. I want not one to be held accountable, but all. This will root out scum if we do it, mark my words.

How?

Pressuring people as a collective, not focusing on little town fights like people have been doing. Let's take turns picking someone to pressure.

[Furcolow]

Who would you like to pressure, Furcolow?

I believe streamlined discussion like Furcolow is suggesting is ineffective; mafia doesn't boil down to a formula where you can pressure people one at a time.

I'm voting locke lamora, and for the sake of not being even more wishy washy than I have been and flip flopping on who I'm voting, I'm going to keep it there. Also because I am pretty lazy. It doesn't matter who we pressure after me, just as long as the town doesn't mislynch me this time. I know that is not good for us.

[Furcolow]

10$ says wraith votes for me because he "finds me a good lynch" regardless of his alignment, simply because he is going to ride a bandwagon.

[Furcolow]

Furcolow: is naturally a very scummy player. At the moment I don't find him particularly anti-town, but I think he's dangerous in LyLo. If this same attitude continues to a future day and we haven't found much scum yet, I think he'd make a good Vig kill, just to be safe. But I don't think he's the right D1 lynch. In addition, I don't think pressuring Furcolow is several votes will work to force a scumslip, as he rarely needs pressure to seem scummy

Bullshit. I am amazing in LyLo. It is idiots like Animorpher/Kunkstar7 that prevent me from winning. If I had been alive with VP Baltar and Ellibereth we would have fucking won, you can bet your money on that. I don't know, though, I completely fooled Ellibereth in lylo in a marathon game one time. Ask him about it.

[Furcolow]

I'm not saying my town play is good, but I am good at targeting scum with my night actions.

[Furcolow]

I am very weak at scumhunting, because I do not trust my first instinct.

[Furcolow]

Then vote people who vote me

[Furcolow]

holy mother of god I am so confused. I saw iecerint post this, but i'd like to reiterate on this:
The smell of smoke surrounds animorpherv1 as of post 41...
-A warm light shines on Iecerint as of post 138!

[Furcolow]

zwetchenschweisser, is there a reason you changed your vote? I am voting with this guy. His post restriction implies an awesome role to me.

unvote
vote: beefster

If you have knowledge of someone as scum, unvote beefster and vote them

[Furcolow]

However, I'm assuming that by you using the word "speculation" in connotation with beefster's post, that you are not certain of anyone yet. Where this is a Holy War between Demons and Forces of Light and Everything Good, zwetch has to either be a) extremely bad, or b) extremely good. Like a being heaven-sent, or b being the most unholy of holy orders.

[Furcolow]

ok, please don't pick me apart for getting my a and b confused. you know what i mean.

[Furcolow]

Something's strange. Why would Ani not mention me and the supposed need for my policy lynchinz?

DONT U </3 ME ANI?

Vote: Ani

Hi Fate.

I had no idea you were playing, and IMO, Furcolow needs lynching more.

Can you seriously shut up? You do this every single game I've played with you, when at least

some

of my posts are not one-liners. You are a much better policy lynch than I am.

You were almost policy lynched on D1 for SA2 because you fucking laundered like an idiot and picked up an insanity you didn't need to take. You didn't think to ward someone?

OK, so, @ Soc, your bit about BS doesn't make much sense to me. I'm going to summarize it as I read it so that I can show me where I am wrong:

There are 2 ways scum can seem scummy:

A) By accident
B) On purpose

You agreed with me when I said BS wasn't intentionally a crap player, so the question is whether he is scummy by accident. But it isn't an accident because he does it (?????).

So...are you basically saying "BS is VI"?

Also, I think we talked past one another on the first part -- I thought you were asking whether I thought BS was a player like Furco who deliberately plays with a scummy style.

I can see where you're coming from in the paragraph about Friend, though.

add:
c) their teammates
d) investigative roles ...poor millers... all those poor millers that have died due to investigations... makes me want to cry

I do not

deliberately

play with a scummy style

[Furcolow]

ebwop: if someone is wondering how there were actions prior to d1 in stars aligned II, it is because it started at night iirc

[Furcolow]

Wraith, excellent choices. I agree with 3 out of 4. I feel like Fate's is null. That's pure quibble, though!
Good post, bro.

[Furcolow]

Friend = townish

agree zwetch
zwetch=townish?

[Furcolow]

Animorpher, 17/21 posts of yours have been about me, or concerning me. Get my name outcha mouth.

[Furcolow]

Can the town really let someone tunnel to that extreme?

[Furcolow]

deja vu

[Furcolow]

he has to make logical points and end up at a conclusion
he also has to use ergo to finalize his points when he is voting
i am saddened to think that he does not find me to be town, because i am not scum

[Furcolow]

zwetch, who are your top 3 suspects?

[Furcolow]

Still waiting on Zwetchenswessers top 3 suspects

[Furcolow]

vote: zwetchenswasser

Policy

[Furcolow]

we should policy lynch zwetch for that post restriction
i have a feeling he is a demon

i'm definitely ok with putting more pressure on fate, though, since that was brought up. his play on the past page has been facepalm-worthy

unvote zwessensatan;
vote: fate

[Furcolow]

I'm wondering if that has to do with the realization that contemplating things you can't possibly know, but I don't think it was. It might have to do with you talking about smoke being negative and put out by the hidden demon, and light being put out by the person who is good and on our side (I hope one of them is). I was really hoping that he would put light on my policy post of zwessenschwesser. I didn't get smoke on that post, though, whereas a lot of posts that have been about policy lynches have.

[Furcolow]

vote: furcolow

you are a terrible player

[Furcolow]

Back to activity. Haven't fully read yet- any amazing revelations that go against Furc being scum?

I am not a medic.

unvote

glad noone voted me when I voted me
I was voting me because I wouldn't ever do that as scum
therefore, I am not scum
I already knew that, but I was trying to prove it to you all

I was also doing it for another reason. I wanted to see if I would get smoke on that post. I was "taking one for the team", sort of.

[Furcolow]

vote: sebguer

his play has been absolutely awful

[Furcolow]

wraith you are a good analyst
...not

[Furcolow]

and zwess, I was being dead serious. I'll admit it's WIFOM, though.
I saw someone "unvote" in lylo once to say they were town without saying it. They obviously didn't have a vote on anyone. I said, hey, you look like town with that unvote, that means the mafia has to be this guy (the third player). They then voted that player without really hearing anything from them. I won as scum.

I guess I'm arguing against myself here, so I kind of agree with you zwess. I wish I had been kidding around. I was when I voted myself.

[Furcolow]

ok, guys, i'm going to go ahead and claim
I am just a townie. This wagon on me will be a mislynch if I am lynched. I wanted to act blue and draw a hit to help our team, but this pressure is unfounded and unwanted.

[Furcolow]

I don't really believe I've been acting like a scummy VI whatsoever. You are categorizing my play from other games. Read me in iso.

[Furcolow]

At this point I'm ready to lynch anyone at this point.
If I said "let's no lynch for the fun of it", or voted myself, is that null?

[Furcolow]

first line was in jest, btw. Still feeling Locke Lamora being mafia.

[Furcolow]

Why do you want him to contribute, Socrates, is mothrax your scumbuddy?

[Furcolow]

Who are your reads on so far?

[Furcolow]

"All right, this is it. You've just made yourself into an active liability to the Town as opposed to a latent one, assuming you're Town at all. If there's a Vig. You there. Shoot this fellow. Please."

I had to do that with what has been said about me. There are certain things that just don't need to be said.

[Furcolow]

I have been emotionally drained, and I can't catch up on mafia right now, because I've had a very taxing day in real life. I will have to catch up tomorrow.

[Furcolow]

Oh hey, a Vezo wagon day 1. I have yet to see a game that he is in where this hasn't happened.

Hey, Agar! I KNOW you've played with Vezo before. How is this any different from how he normally plays? And I don't want to hear any "I don't care if he does it every time he is town, it's scummy ANYWAY" bullshit.

Why are you willing to become affiliated with his defense? Do you want to be implicated with his flip? I'm not saying that it shows your alignment one way or another, because if you're town you don't know, and if you're scum you could be buddying/defending town.

I'm not trying to save my ass, because I don't care if I'm dead or alive. I care about lynching the scum, and protecting the PRs. Besides, if vezok flips town, I'll likely be the Day 2 lynch anyways, so no matter what I do it's a lose-lose for me. I'm just going to try to take one of them down before I go.

This is Wraith town meta in my opinion, but my opinion isn't always right.


The scum on his wagon imo would be Fate, and i'm leaning towards another, but I really don't want to say who

[Furcolow]

if you have no opinion of him, and you haven't read him, why mention him at all?

[Furcolow]

unvote: sebguer
vote: vezokpiraka

I was suspicious of him earlier, and his wagon seems like the most likely to kill scum in my opinion

[Furcolow]

how about this, let them talk for themselves
that = scummy in my book
"well, people want to kill this guy", who the hell are you even talking to?
you make no sense whatsoever

[Furcolow]

that smoke makes me feel comfortable with my vote
but i'm really not positive if that's a good thing

[Furcolow]

wow, obvious scumpush on wraith
he is definitely town based upon meta

[Furcolow]

Ok, so I received a PM from the mod that my latent abilities will be replaced by new active abilities come the beginning of day 2. I can only assume this came from an action on the part of someone else. For the record, my latent abilities were the PR and the red-posting. I still don't know what the active abilities will be. I'm still forbidden to claim.

He is a demon
we need to lynch him now
that's what i'm taking from this

unvote
vote zwetchschenwasser

[Furcolow]

Fate is zwetchenswesser's teammate and is defending him with a pseudo-omgus

[Furcolow]

zwetchenswesser must die or we will lose to the demon

[Furcolow]

No, you are a demon with zwetchenswesser on the side of evil
I, however, am a being of light and will not die to you unless at night in which you will validate my words. GG scumbag.

[Furcolow]

spam away the truth, fate, scum

[Furcolow]

I took his post as being "Screw you guys, I'm town", but if the town wants me to, I will hammer him.
I am not going to be working away from the majority this game whatsoever, because the players in this game are simply better than I am at this game.

@Fate: I was asleep when you were rageposting. Sorry to not be here to respond to you. My references are from marathons or ongoing games, so you may not find them viable. I really don't care if Wraith dies, other than I feel it might be a mislynch. That is my stance. Take it or leave it.

[Furcolow]

i'll vote him if it means we can lynch you tomorrow

[Furcolow]

my read on him is townie
i'm sticking by my read
i am not hammering him, unless 3 people in a row tell me they want me to

[Furcolow]

zwet = evil demon

[Furcolow]

"responsibility" for a hammer?
I honestly don't care about a case sticking to me this game. I am following my gut. I either want zwet dead through this, or a lot of the town to agree it's the best option. I'm trying to roll with the consensus, so if you don't like that, you must be mafia.

[Furcolow]

what the fuck
i said wraith is town
bandwagon me when i was right? he was green dumbasses

[Furcolow]

vote: mothrax

[Furcolow]

I guess "scum would know he was a townie" would be a good argument, but if you actually read what I said you would see I was saying it was a read.

Mothrax and pacman are likely scum for trying to get an easy mislynch of me on day 2

[Furcolow]

what the hell
i am a fucking townie
quit fucking voting me

[Furcolow]

obvious scumwagon
pick someone on my wagon (preferably zwet or mothrax) and counter-wagon

[Furcolow]

we must slay the demon zwetchenswesser!!!
He must vote in red because he is a demon
Demon = red obviously
mafia = red obviously
zwet = red
zwet = demon
zwet = mafia
our lynch = zwet

[Furcolow]

I'll put it in English. there are multiple reasons for wanting to lynch zwetchenswesser. His post restriction indicating he is a powerful evil character, his voting of me in red, and his play in general of trying to ride wagons.

[Furcolow]

unvote: mothrax;
VOTE: ZWETCHENSWESSER

[Furcolow]

@mod: votecount

unvote

[Furcolow]

I can't vote zwet in case he is like an angel or something very, very good and on our side.

[Furcolow]

Can you explain whether or not you are evil or good?

[Furcolow]

vote: mothrax

don't know if he's mafia, I know my role, and he's the next highest wagon.

[Furcolow]

@socrates why did you change/remove your icon?

[Furcolow]

I blame benmage.

[Furcolow]

Zwet, what experience do you have with vezo? Linkies please.
@avatarless: Case on sebguer, or is it still RVS?
Iecerint, can you please clearly state why you think I'm scum, and in what way, if at all, the recent going-on's have influenced that?
Vezo, you're digging your own grave.
"Vezo: 'pacman is a good vote'
Socio: 'EXCELLENT. EXPLAIN WHY HE IS A GOOD VOTE.'
Vezo: 'Cause he is not a bad vote?'"
Seriously?! He's a good vote because he's not a bad vote, and he's not a bad vote because he's a good vote. Is that what you're trying to say? Because if so, FAIL LOGIC IS FAIL.

Furc, you are admitting to voting someone just because they are the next biggest wagon. You need to die. And then, if there's a vig out there, shoot vezo.

good post, good post, good post,
shit conclusion

likely scum right here

[Furcolow]

ok, so we can write off animorpher as a VI, and pacman is obviously of the same light, so I am considering me=weird and mothrax to be the scum that i felt on my wagon

[Furcolow]

I like how 4 relatively smart people are voting mothrax, and how a Village Idiot, a Convict, and two scum are voting me

[Furcolow]

The truth hurts.

[Furcolow]

it's the same principle of not lynching a claimed detective on day 1
durrr

zwetschenwasser, you are an idiot.

[Furcolow]

if you'd quit acting like an idiot, i'd quit calling you one.
you know exactly what i meant by that, but because you are scum, you are of course going to be uncooperative like you're being


and why am i not voting you? because I know I am town, and people are afraid to wagon you, so I am forced to vote someone who I am somewhat iffy about.

[Furcolow]

you didn't post any case on mothrax either, bro, pot... kettle...

[Furcolow]

Geez, 8 pages. I am disliking ani's push for furclowe on policy. Seems forced to me.

unvote, vote animorpherv1

Where does that say didn't read? If I typed something I don't see let me know? Kthxbai.
To elaborate, ani pushed a policy lynch (and acrappy one at that) early d1 which I read as scummy. Hs over defnsiveness also comes across as scummy to me. The AtE doesn't help his case.

VOTE: furcolow
his seeking approval strikes me as trying to distance homself from a mislynch.

Major flip-flop
I don't want to be associated with a mislynch? I'm the one who said it was a mislynch!!

[Furcolow]

that's because I don't actually find mothrax scummy right now. I voted him to prove to you that I didn't have to vote in red.

then unvote him and vote me, so you don't confuse everyone by hiding your true vote

[Furcolow]

you are so not town

[Furcolow]

ok. i'm going to step out for a second. i am town/townie, just trust me on this.

[Furcolow]

you replaced beefster.................

[Furcolow]

vote: me=weird

[Furcolow]

Dear Friend: You are not my friend. Please learn to read.
I find it interesting that I can't really see a case on me...
agar's:terriworse, obvscum.
and so it goes for the people voting me.
Please be a dear and MAKE A FUCKING CASE!
I don't give a shit if it is against me, it would still be better than "OMG GUYS HE IS SO OBVSCUM, LETS GET HIM!" (insert following like a gaggle of schoolgirls.)

that was your entire post on me two posts ago
"flail, scum, flail"?
i'm not fucking scum, "bro".

Care to make a case that doesn't involve outright lies?

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: mothrax

pot, kettle, bro

[Furcolow]

pacman feels like vanilla moron to me

[Furcolow]

your feel is off
heighten your senses vezok

[Furcolow]

so your post was even more evil than it being #666?
good job.

[Furcolow]

since this is mafia on holy orders, and you had post #666, I should vote you
would that be a good reason? No. The problem this game is I really have no clue who scum are, and I've been suspicious of you since day 1, so I should be going with what my gut was originally telling me. If you are town, which I hope you are not, it wouldn't be that terrible to lose you, as it wouldn't really be that terrible for the town to lose me even considering I am a mislynch. I am a less hurtful mislynch than lynching Socrates and him flipping town like I am somewhat leaning towards him doing.

I should be going to vote you for gut, you having post #666, and you being unhelpful/a bad player which I admit is kind of hypocritical, but I feel you are scum this game regardless of being a bad player. everyone can critique the fact that I have made a "bad" post or that my language that I'm using isn't quite "up to snuff", but I am honest, I am trying to help, and I feel like if i voted you my vote would be a step in the right direction for us as a collective and with a lynch on vezokpiraka we can possibly kill off a scum with our lynch.

The problem with this line of thought on "should i vote vezokpiraka, or should i vote someone like mothrax/me=weird(replacing beefster)" is that I feel like if I *had* to pick one as town it would probably be vezokpiraka. I wouldn't be surprised with mothrax, zwetsch, vezok, me=weird, etc as scum

Who do you guys find scummy besides me?

[Furcolow]

does logic = catching scum 100%?
i heard of a guy using tea leaves, and voting correctly every single time.
unlogical that

[Furcolow]

also, isn't it ILLOGICAL?

[Furcolow]

hi guys

[Furcolow]

since he replaced beefster, i'm all for that

unvote
vote: m=weird

I am happy with a mothrax lynch if it means I am not lynched, and I am leaning scum on him, but I am much more certain of beefster's slot. Just go back and read beefster in iso. Beefster="me=weird" this game. remember, guys?

[Furcolow]

Our problem this game: The town is WAY TOO SPLIT
Our solution: consolidate around Furcolow

Let me be your voice of reason lol

[Furcolow]

namaste my light loving friends

[Furcolow]

Well, people need to consolidate their votes around ours, Friend.
@Iecerint chop chop

[Furcolow]

i don't distance myself from wagons
i hammer as a townie when i think someone is scum
i will bus my team as scum
youre off on me, socrates
i thought your case would be better than that, considering that it is entirely wrong

[Furcolow]

whatever
wifom is null
and im being honest
what more can you ask for, judge?

i would be willing to switch my vote to mothrax

[Furcolow]

I agree with judge. WIFOM is highlighted best in the princess bride. You know why? Both glasses are poisoned, really.



I would be willing to lynch mothrax because I am town and he is willing to lynch me, which makes him unhelpful

[Furcolow]

I just realized I'm the leading wagon.
I disagree with that. Strongly.

@ Mod L-5 and L-6 with 3 votes?
Is that a mistake?
Does someone not have a vote?

It was a mistake. Thank you for paying attention! ~Vi

@ninja edit:

agar, you honestly find me scummy? I thought you said you found me town? How is that bullshit, then? Flip-flopper.

@double ninja edit:

OK, but are you saying I'm not town? I

AM

TOWN

[Furcolow]

ok, but you agree i'm not scum, so let's wagon someone who might be.......

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: pacman

[Furcolow]

you might be scum

[Furcolow]

to you all, i might be scum. to me, i'm not, but how the hell am i going to prove that?
where are you going with this, Friend?

[Furcolow]

M=W is a better wagon than pacman IMO.

Yes, but pacman isn't here to defend himself

[Furcolow]

jeez. I keep forgetting this is day 2. I almost typed "30 pages is enough for day 1". I completely forgot we lost Fate and Wraith for a moment.

I need to collect myself.

AGar - Null/Neutral
animorpher - leaning town
beefster/m=w - leaning scum
curiouskarmadog - who did he replace? sebguer? if so leaning scum
fate - RIP
Friend - slightly leaning town. why slightly? because he is buddying me. who would buddy me?
Furcolow - ice cream
Iecerint - seems town, but i'd have to see him as scum to really meta read him. holding judgment.
Locke Lamora - seemed scummy at first, but I've liked his play on D2 a lot more. The less he posts, the more I like him.
Me=Weird - see beefster
Mothrax - where has he been? he came in at the beginning of the day to start a wagon, one which was misdirected and scummy
Pacman - he's either a VI or scum imo
Plum - in between null/neutral and slightly leaning town
Sebguer - see curiouskarmadog i guess
sociopath - i remember having a gut feeling he was scum
Socrates - heavily leaning town, but i don't know
vezokpiraka - i felt he was scum, but people are saying he's in line with his town meta of VIness
Wraith - RIP
zwetschenswesser - he's either satan or an angel. of that i am sure.


@ninja edit: oh, hi mothrax.
First off, my actions late day 1 were to try to prevent a mislynch, buddy. get off that case. if anything, that should HELP me not appear as scum, not hurt me. Quit twisting that to make something out of nothing, you're being scummy. Second off, my "defense is weak"? What defense? I don't even feel like I need a defense.

You know why they aren't voting for me? because you can't fool everyone. You are obviously trying to push something that isn't there, mothrax.

[Furcolow]

i didn't know shit
i had a good read on him

[Furcolow]

I have scum meta now
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14990

so you all can see i'm town this game based upon that

stop my lynch right now

[Furcolow]

i have to go mow the lawn, but honestly, i have no reason to be at L-3 or whatever. Town need to unvote me, honestly, if you ever trust me on AtE trust me this game. I am a very devout person, and this thread title has special significance and meaning to me. I relate being town this game to actually fighting in a holy war on the side of good, justice, and everything right

[Furcolow]

of course you are going to attack me
if i'm not lynched, you probably will be
what a joke
AtE doesn't make me look worse in this instance. I am asking everyone to lend me this 1 game as town using it to not lynch me. That is not THAT big of a request. The fact you found that post scummy is indication to me you're grasping at straws.

[Furcolow]

look at the straight up players on the wagons
my wagon is just straight up scummy in terms of playstyle. you would think those guys voting me, if scum, would want to keep me around just to "fit in". Honestly, pacman, mothrax, animorpher, and vezokpiraka.... and pacman has the wagon on him?

I really don't support a pacman wagon, honestly, it kills me to know he feels like town and i'm voting for him so i'm really in a pickle here, shackled by what i need to do at this time..for now, i will have to

unvote

, and put my vote on someone when I feel like I can make a more informed AND obvious decision.

[Furcolow]

i vote swing as town, honestly
i tunnel quite heavily as scum during a singular day period

[Furcolow]

no, i mean the scum on your wagon are likely vezokpiraka and mothrax

[Furcolow]

Do you honestly believe I am mafia, pacman? If so, why; and if not, why are you voting me?

[Furcolow]

above post is scummy
with this player it may be null

[Furcolow]

votecount please

[Furcolow]

agar, tone the ad hom down or i'll take it up with the mod

[Furcolow]

Furc,

it is really hard to read you

..town or scum,

you are just a bad player

…

Anyone else believe the bold and italicized parts make a sort of oxymoron?
Mafia as a game has a goal of people not being able to read you. If people don't know you're blue, or if they're blue/green and they don't know you're scum, and can't "read you", that's a good thing.

You saying this, curiouskarmadog, just shows me you haven't read up on my play. My play is the most blatantly obvious because I actually post like a human being.

[Furcolow]

There is absolutely nothing good about your play if you are town..NOTHING

im obvious
how is that not good?
town can follow my lead blindly.
this

is

mafia on holy orders, after all

[Furcolow]

Socrates brought up some bad points about my scumminess somewhere. I didn't like them. That makes me doubt anything he says somewhat.

[Furcolow]

i'm here if anyone has any questions

[Furcolow]

i am not scum mothrax
you play on teamliquid?

[Furcolow]

thanks for spamming fifteen one liners CKD

[Furcolow]

@AGar: I don't disagree with your case; it makes totally sense. What I hate about your posts is when you start getting offensive with them.

i'm voting pacman for this post and response to agar

vote: pacman

[Furcolow]

1) misuse of words
2) disapproval of ad hom
3) active lurking

[Furcolow]

i guess 2 is null sometimes, because i get offended on personal issues as well as town the more i think about it

[Furcolow]

his last 3 posts have been responding to the post right in front of it

[Furcolow]

he's either actively lurking, or not reading

[Furcolow]

I don't actively lurk. I am the most prolific poster within this thread hands down.

I am not satisfied with any of your responses, either, and you are not making sense if you're town. What does the case on mothrax have to do with the case on you? are you saying you know mothrax's alignment?

ad hom is a shortened version of a term for slander/baseless attacks which generally contain many cusswords
attacking the person instead of their argument

no, it is not hypocritical
i do not actively lurk
i spam, if anything

and don't call me scum, when you are the one who is more likely mafia

[Furcolow]

ok, well, i'm happy with a couple wagons rolling
and i still dont believe i actively lurk
i always post when i get on
plus it's good to pressure people the way ive been pressuring pacman for town imo

[Furcolow]

VI town
That's what my playstyle appears regardless of my alignment
If you disagree with that, I'd like some insight so I can fix it.
I can see some differences myself, but I'm not sure if you really do, Judge.
You are not as above and beyond yourself as you might think.

[Furcolow]

After reading Dramonic in iso, I agree with the predominant case against him if it involves his repetitive excuse-making

aim: dramonic

[Furcolow]

wrong game, apologies

[Furcolow]

after making this post, i remember mothrax trying to wagon me over not wanting to vote for someone i felt was a pro-town player (wraith). If anything, he is trying to punish me for my good judgment. That is bullshit. I figured I would add that, and I didn't know where to add it, so I'm going to add it up here. I hope this doesn't detract from my post too much, as I plan on typing a little bit more.

Mothrax seems to have ulterior motives, and his attempt to get me lynched after the way he had been behaving towards me on day 1 came as a shock to me. If he is town, and really viewed my attempt to save a friend an ally as ill will, there needs to be some reassessment. I am all for repercussions when you act negatively, but your pressing on me earlier in this day2 is scummy and driving a mislynch is a scum-driven tactic. If you are doing this as town, change your play in a later game.

I have been suspicious of every single one of those people are one point in the game or another. It is very funny for me. I guess I have been slinging around way too many unlogical accusations for me to be that wrong. There is no way all of them are scum. Considering zwetschenwasser's behavior with his "post restriction", colors voting, and considering the built in mechanics of this game are o.m.h. I would still lean towards him being scum with mothrax vs pacman being scum at all

I'm going to follow my gut, which is telling my pacman is a vanilla townie

unvote: pacman
vote: mothrax

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Furcolow]

vote: mothrax

if need be
not sure if he's scum or not, but i dont have a town read on him

[Furcolow]

um. i picked an EVEN mothrax wagon with an EVEN pacman wagon pretty much
are you kidding me vezokpiraka?
you realize mothrax tried to lynch me quickly on d2 just like this?
are scum really trying the same tactic again? funny
you must be scum since you're behaving just like mothrax did, trying to put wagon suspiciousness on me

vote: vezokpiraka

[Furcolow]

pacman, i would give anything for you to replace out if you are town, because if you believe that, and are not lying scum, you are the worst mafia player i have ever seen

vote: mothrax

if need be
not sure if he's scum or not, but i dont have a town read on him

This was after the hammer.
You say you had to pick a wagon. An even wagon. How could that be?
And why do you say you had to pick a wagon?
You have to vote players you have a scum read on.

I'm talking about when I unvoted pacman to vote mothrax earlier on at all
The only reason I unvoted is on the possibility he was a town power role
The fact you are trying to accuse ME of bussing is funny
You're on every wagon with little to no reason

[Furcolow]

the fact mothrax was voting me..... and pushing my lynch from the start of day 2....

if pacman/vezokpiraka believe that im scum with him as town, they deserve to die for hurting us in lylo and being terrible at making decisions. i am very obviously town.

[Furcolow]

i am giving notice that i will be casting a vote on someone voting me

[Furcolow]

*golfclap*

[Furcolow]

you're saying vezokpiraka is "too scummy to be scummy"? I know you're at LEAST implying it. I am way more suspicious of you after i saw the duration of which you were riding my wagon with your scumbuddy mothrax. You also make me want to lynch you more than vezokpiraka with this above post, as you are riding the "confused town" card which you have been refuting by faking like you're not a VI while acting like one. You are trying to give off that aura if you are scum, but you, if town, need to fix that.

The main reason I'm switching my vote is because you're like "maybe one of them is scum, and one is town. no, they're both town! furcolow is town!" which is an entire flip-flop of what you've been posting the last 20 pages.

unvote: vezokpiraka

vote: pacman

[Furcolow]

I don't think I'm ever going to bus anyone ever again if I can help it after that game, Iecerint, thanks for bringing that up, i really loved hearing about that

@vezokpiraka top 3 suspects and why plz

[Furcolow]

i didn't get to hammer, but consider mothrax was on my wagon THE ENTIRE DAY and started off voting anyone on me, trying to mislynch me.... yeah, ok

on pacman: ok, he's confused. so he's VI, a mislynch, even by your own admission

3 strongest town reads and why?

[Furcolow]

what i mean by that is he was pretty much the first person to vote in the day at all, and his vote on me was dead serious. he wanted you all to take the easy path of lynching me the way they got wraith lynched

[Furcolow]

I actually agree with a lot of vezokpiraka's listings, other than me being scum. If he claimed I'm simply scummy, I can agree/cope with that, but I am not scum. His list is more on "who is acting scummy" and "who is acting pro-town", when the most pro-town appearing players can end up being the demons that are among us brothers.

i am very glad socrates is defending me, but know that scum will defend townies that they believe will possibly be mislynched

[Furcolow]

Glad you promised something, because that post was horrible, judge

and no, i do not plan to lynch socrates, xvart, or plum. thanks for the shit-slinging.

[Furcolow]

i have no idea why i keep getting another game confused with this one.
very embarrassing.
apologies to the mod. your game is wonderful, and has been both of a high level and delightful.

I meant Iecerint, obviously, as I was referring to him saying I was "poisoning the well". I am merely taking into fact the consideration people who seem protown might not be protown. By this logic, which I follow, players like you and I might actually be town, pacman.

Imagine that.

[Furcolow]

unvote

for now
not like "for now" on the pacman wagon, but more like "for now" in relation to remaining unvoted.

[Furcolow]

no... i meant i was referring to judge(aGar's nickname) saying i was poisoning the well referencing your name and me saying "well, this person might be acting that way as scum, and us not know"

if anything, i wasn't even referring to you whatsoever iecerint
sorry for the mixup on rhetoric or whatever

[Furcolow]

and im referencing gandalf saying you were pro-town, then me saying that "well, someone who is "pro-town" might not be", and judge saying i was "poisoning the well" when I wasn't at all. I'm just being careful.

[Furcolow]

are you telling the town to vote you because you are that pro-town as scum?

[Furcolow]

you have a good interpretation about the flow of the game.
you would not steal the spotlight as a townie, which i believe you are this game.
perhaps i should say youre a medic since i should get mafia to hit you

[Furcolow]

dislike both wagons
both are VIs imo
it takes one to know one

if i had to pick, i would honestly pick pacman, as his "fos" on agar and then them both voting and wagoning seems like scumbuddying to me. pacman FoS on him and then voting someone else is a scum tell in jeep's tells.

I am not sure if judge is scum, though, he may just be confused. Vice versa, even. I am going to propose a third lynch target shortly.
would i be surprised if vezokpiraka flipped scum? no. pacman? no. we even get information out of those lynches, so they're not necessarily bad, but I feel like we should stick with a lynch we can get information out of.

I am proposing re-initiating wagons on replacements. We should pick one of Me=Weird (replacing beefster), and curiouskarmadog (replacing sebguer). These people have been replaced into slots that were initially under suspicion which, to me, was justified.

I am going to

vote: me=weird

I also would consider a sociopath lynch due to his attacking of people i view as townies

[Furcolow]

information i feel we gain:
vezokpiraka and i are likely town if he is scum
agar is likely scum if he is scum due to his hello to him out of everyone, and his "mind if i answer for agar?" post trying to shitsling on vezokpiraka. I also took his mothrax case to be bussing, for the record, before anyone asks me.

[Furcolow]

notice small glow on me?
notice how i said: I DISLIKE BOTH WAGONS in that post?
unvote.
if anyone hammers, i am going to put every ounce of energy i have into lynching you tomorrow.

[Furcolow]

and you're a terrible player that got laughed off teamliquid after mini mafia 3 in which you had a terrible claim

your read is also obviously wrong based upon the glow i picked up in that post of the most recent votecount, though it may be attributed to me not pushing policy lynches on VIs like you are doing. It could be my speaking out against this. You are trying to mislynch/policy lynch like this possibly due to your being scum, but also possibly due to you being awful. If you're town you are playing like people play as scum (disagree? go check out Ace. You are like Ace jr. if you are scum this game.)

[Furcolow]

soc, i know you trust i'm town, and my read on pacman is VI. I know VI can be scum, but I feel he is likelier to be something that people confuse as mafia than mafia if you get my drift without me opening speculation as to his role. I urge you to unvote, and vote locke lamora again, as that was a brilliant move to shift a wagon to a scummy player.

1) i liked pacman's sort of "this is not good to ponder on the glow" post
2) i disliked locke lamora's disspeculation in relation to the glow. His post of #1122 feels like scum planting negative seeds of doubt.
3) analyze the votes: soc votes locke lamora, locke votes me=weird to distance himself from a scummate (my take on it)

i could be wrong, but that is my synopsis of the past page

[Furcolow]

i'll paraphrase:
plum: "pacman, poisoning the well on soc, our most prolific protown poster is scummy"
pacman's next post: "i'm a townie. if soc isn't protown and is scum we lost!"

furcolow's assessment: pacman doesn't read
opinion on a lynch target: need to find a different one, though I don't KNOW that. Just my gut.

[Furcolow]

I did not call you a terrible player without justification Mister Day 1 Medic claim

[Furcolow]

ok, so should I hammer? I want to help the town.

[Furcolow]

scum points? from you?
there are like 5+ people suspicious of you, and i have endured how many wagons? I believe I'm scott free for the moment.

I guess scum points on me for not hammering wraith, too, when he was a townie and i spoke out against it
scum points for me for checking up with the town before KILLING A PLAYER
yea, TOTAL SCUM POINTS BRAH


@ebwop: thanks for a logical response, plum. this is exactly what I was asking: should I wait, or should I hammer?
It's a simple question, and ckd just earned my FoS for his response

plum, is your name relating to carpentry? being balanced as a person? or the fruit?

[Furcolow]

true, but i recently learned it was a carpentry term, did you know that?

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: locke lamora

been suspicious off locke since RVS, multiple FoS from me i'm pretty sure

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Furcolow]

Friend: isn't it also broken if it's townie players who the scum can't lynch or target?

Hey Furc, what information would you get from a Locke lynch?

That is actually a good point, but not getting information doesn't mean you're not scum

I am unvoting, as I didn't expect you to be L-1d, and I dislike CKD on this page more than you, so

vote: CKD

[Furcolow]

Also, pacman, why are you not voting?

[Furcolow]

you are a good actor