NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Kise]

/confirm

[Kise]

Vote: Hip-Hop

[Kise]

Vote: Hip-Hop

Woops, wrong thread!

Unvote

^_^

I wanted a bw, you seem to want to appease me. Therefore to give me what I want, you vote someone who i can vote for too.

You can self-vote, kupo.

[Kise]

Right? Or am i wrong?

Uhh.. why should I help you get your BW What can

you

do for me

[Kise]

1) Joke... you know, voting hip-hop since it's a musical genre and all.
2) K.
3) You expect me to claim scum, really? Would you expect

anyone

to claim scum? That's about as useful as a mass-town claim.

If you tell me wraith is that important of a person to bandwagon - for

whatever

secret reason you may have - I may vote with you. I do expect to hear your secret reason before long, keep in mind.

[Kise]

3. Asks for reasons to bandwagon Wraith in the RVS. Why does there need to be a reason?

I don't think hiphop is being random...

I want to play my Xbox tonight. I'll play ketchup tomorrow.

[Kise]

Insane cops in a normal? It may be a common role [elsewhere] but I think the "older" mafiascummers used to say sanity variants weren't considered normal. I myself could care less, but, I'm thinking, if the mod is one of these "old timers" then I doubt he'd make insane cops. If anything, I think it says more that DP is town for what he did.

I still need to catch up - only saw this page and gathered what's gone down.

[Kise]

Actually, Poro', I like this thinking.

Sounds like, no Parker! you're digging yourself a deeper whole! Shut up! (AKA coaching)
Also, the fact that you gave him that route to fake-claim, and now people are less likely to suspect him for it

What's even more interesting is how singersigner got caught contradicting. I want to lay down this,

Vote: singersigner

, and continue reading in a bit.

Wild idea: Is it worth anything if both the claimed cops targeted each other tonight - perhaps even self-target to check sanity?

Ninja-edit: SS, the point is that you were in a game with DP where he was only vanilla

townie

, yet you're saying you know how DP plays regardless of alignment. How could one know when you've only seen DP as town, is the issue.

[Kise]

Also, way to start contributing, Kise. Nice to know you're still around.

I still need to catch up - only saw this page and gathered what's gone down.

Also ---->

Wild idea: Is it worth anything if both the claimed cops targeted each other tonight - perhaps even self-target to check sanity?

[Kise]

It's fair to say singsign wasn't coaching David.... still a bit leery of her, but

Vote: Hip-Hop

Woops, wrong thread!

Unvote

^_^

So, then would be a pretty nice random vote. And yet... you unvote. Why? And this vote was starting a bandwagon. So really, why the unvote? Worried about where that wagon would go?

Do I still need to answer this guy's question? (much OOG respect though, nhammen)

Wicked's deduction that there is a SK doesn't sit well with me.

He doesn't stand well with me neither. He's got that same self-assured attitude he had in our last New York game where he was scum (remember that one, SK-Reck?). I'd like to see him flip. I'm a bit sleepy at the moment, so, maybe sometime soon I can actually iso him and see how I feel about his posts thus far. I'm off work in 2 more days.

[Kise]

EBWOP because I have a short attention span:

It's fair to say singsign wasn't coaching David.... still a bit leery of her, BUT the coaching thing was the only/major reason I suspected her. I'll have to iso her [too, along with Wicked].

[Kise]

Work is still kicking my ass. My off time wasn't worth anything because we had training/meetings on my 1st day off.
I don't know what to say or do... I'm not the kind to replace out of games and I really wanted to play a normal.
Best I could do at the moment is play based on current events. BB in 12 hours.

[Kise]

@flinter: I believe scum would fake a daykill. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. But, here, Xite's explanation isn't as stupid as I expected it to be - saying he did it to get people listing suspects other than Wraith seemed rather useful. He's not obvtown for the gambit, but I haven't disliked his play ever since we were going at hiphop early on. Speaking of which..

@hiphop: Did you ever explain why you wanted to produce an actual non-random wagon on Wraith? If not, could you do so now?

@Gorrad: Scum would

waste

a kill (an extra kill at that) on their own teammate? For what purpose? There's no guarantee of a watcher, tracker or w/e. That's a borderline silly way of thinking.

@chaz: Keep playing, poro favoro.

@Mysterio, re:Wicked: Do you see what I see?

@Xite: You say you got good info from the reactions to your stunt. Can you detail how this good info is useful, using names and reasons?

[Kise]

@Reck: Could you see scum in Poro, Gorrad, Wicked and/or ConfidAd? (I'm asking you in particular for a reason)

@Shanba: I wasn't around for either wagon; no chance to comment on those voting dana & Frank. I see where you're coming from and why you think it's important to have the opinion of others when a wagon is present. Let me start here and now. In regards to the switching back and forth on Wraith & Mysterio: They both have the makings of a mislynch IMO. I'm viewing Wicked as scum and I have seen Mysterio expressing a genuine suspicion against him as well in a non-contrived instance. That said, I don't see Mysterio as scum as a result of this line of thinking. I feel like IF Wraith is scum, he would have been bussed veryveryveryvery plausibly by now. So, with the potential scum votes [Gorrad, ConfidAd] against him, I COULD see this as a real situation here. I wouldn't hold back if it came to lynching him... it feels too easy of a lynch at the moment, but with him out of the way, there'd no longer be that elephant in the room - I don't carry a strong suspicion towards him myself, but if the rest of you deal with him now, it would help shift the focus onto those waaaay less scummy, who I personally believe are mafia. (Don't you hate when you've got that feeling in your bones that someone is scum, but they're oh-so good about not giving off the vibe to too many other players?)

(Wish I was a vig, man)

[Kise]

@Gorrad: No, I'm including you and ConfidAd as the two I feel are possible mafia on Wraith's wagon. No one else voting Wraith is a scummer in my eyes.

I'm calling Porochaz as Godfather right now.

[Kise]

I'm working today too; in another 2+ hours.

[Kise]

I'm talking out of my cock, actually. It's quite enormous, so you should expect some loud mouthing. My call on you as Godfather is all due to your playstyle. What kind of research are you asking for - ability related?

[Kise]

Alright, chicklet..

Vote: Porochaz

.. Please do explain what your 'research' comment meant or I will (continue to) take it as roleshing.

[Kise]

You guys didn't know I'm the Godfather Hunter? Lynch Porochaz, see his flip, then be amazed.

@hiphop: Do you still want me to answer that "question" of yours.... (?_?)
Also, how in the world did you expect people to know you were randomly voting Wraith at the top of the game? You carried a serious tone so there's nothing for anyone else to detect randomness behind it. People have had this argument many a time in MD, but I personally don't believe that every game has a set stage that requires everyone to be random. In your case, I think it was just convenient for you to throw down the excuse that your D1 vote was random so you could lazily avoid explaining that wack bandwagon request.

[Kise]

Let me put it this way: If you join my clan,

then

, and

only then

, will I let you in on the secret to determining someone's role based on playstyle. Until then, consider my work for-hire only.

[Kise]

I'm pretty sure you were in that game where I pegged Xyl as GF day 1... yeah, I'm sure you were.

(Upper-case my name, fool!)

[Kise]

Been working like mad, will check in later.

Ditto.

[Kise]

Hmm..

FOS XReckynuhX

. That vote doesn't look sincere at all. Thanks for pointing it out, flinter. I more than likely would not have gone back to connect the dots... Doubt I'm capable of doing that for any player at the moment.

In case it's not already apparent,

Limited Access

until I'm off work next - no clue when that is. Best I could do is check the thread during the noontime before I head out.

At the moment, my belief on the scumteam is this:

nhammen/Mysterio/Robbnva/

Prozac

I think this is a new viewpoint from you... do tell.

[Kise]

I don't think it's wrong to lynch dana at this point. Roleblocking a claimed cop for 2 nights would make sense if Benmage & nhammen are not aligned with dana. Xite's iffy stance on the matter is noteworthy, and could implicate him later if dana flips scum.

D2, I mentioned that out of Mysterio and Wraith, Wraith was the likelier one to be scum, and also a viable bus for his scumbuddies. The combination of Benmage (known scum) and Xite (probable scum if dana is scum) on Wraith's wagon makes my little "equation" add up, so to speak. If I can run my mouth (err, fingers) for a bit, I think a reasonable lynch sequence would be dana > xite > wraith, if and ONLY IF the former player(s) in the sequence flip scum. It comes down to being one of those scenarios where there's no questions asked. Just do it.


I haven't forgotten about you, Poro. For the time being, there are other.. more interesting developments. I was wrong about Wicked, so, who knows whether I'm wrong with you. That would mean my Godfather-hunting skills are not perfected like I thought they were. BTW, I still need students to take under my wing

[Kise]

What is your opinion on hip hop?

Who besides Dana would you personally try and lynch?

Hiphop's views were flawed at the start of the game. I remember not favoring the way he went about doing things, but over time, I no longer thought of his shenanigans as scummy.

dana should be a surefire lynch after the roleblocker flip + him not being RBed. I'd say Xite has become increasingly annoying. This tactic to save dana reeks of non-distancing scum stains. Some players get a town read from him, but the dana-defending is sketchy. I've taken my eye off of Gorrad subconsciously.

I do not believe Dana is lying, as there hasn't been a CC, and every argument we've had about him hasn't convinced me that someone's been trying to bread crumb a counter claim and push his lynch.

Are you actively searching for breadcrumbs?

I remember the days when I use to avatar bet with KMD.... didn't win, but I had fun.

[Kise]

Didn't someone say Benmage coached Xite at one point?

[Kise]

HA