Cereal Killers - Mini 1027 (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

/confirm

DIG THEM REPORTING FOR DUTY

[SpyreX]

Welp,

Charter is town.

Lol, reactions is still stupid though.

ON THE PLUS SIDE:

Given a smalltown setup and there's really actual role to scum speculation going on? Seriously?

However:

Vote: Zang

One does not get to swim in the sewage that is that discussion, give a response, and then opt to not vote. No sir

[SpyreX]

Hahahahahahahahaha

Unvote, Vote: XScorpion

God I love it when its easy.

[SpyreX]

Keep on keepin on little scorpion.

Lol, rvs isn't a great move in the best of situations. Lol, rvs at charter and this slap and tickle fight is too good to be true.

[SpyreX]

I missed this before, Spyrex, what did you mean here?

Given the fact character names are out, setup speculation along flavor lines is unproductive white noise.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex and Robo, who do you think are XScorpion's buddies?

At this moment its not as clean as he is. However, if I'm right I'd eat a hat if you or Robo were scum with him. Kirby could be with that lowball "did the mod SAY you were a vig business" but doubtful.

If I had to put the cash down I'd say Zang and one of the voiceless (Jenni, Sawyer). MAAaayabe xvart with a power chainsaw not realizing.

[SpyreX]

Damn weekend madness well done.

LETS PLAY A GAME:

Most Likely Scum Team Day One:

Charter, Spyre, and Kirby:
You're the scumteam and you set up the fake daykill. Spyre comes in and says "Welp, Charter is town," implying you're bulletproof, when there are several other reasons that could account for your survival. Kirby shoulders a few questions about his move, but no one really believes he's scum, so we listen to you rattle on and on about who you think is scum and submit to answering your neverending questions about our top suspects.

Jenniwren is shaping up nicely for the slot of lurkerscum, we'll have to see how that pans out as time goes by. Actually, now that I actually read her post 53, I believe we've got another scum hooked.

If I had to put the cash down I'd say Zang and one of the voiceless (Jenni, Sawyer). MAAaayabe xvart with a power chainsaw not realizing.

HOT DAMN A MYSTERY

(Hint: Charter isn't bulletproof that has nothing to do with the fairly obvious fake Kirby shot.)

(Hint 2: Those "words" you attempt to use to insinuate I'm scum aren't for talking. Once your broham is dead and flips scum just put the rope around your neck though tia)

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This cloud of noise that is Robo v XScorp in the eye bleed fest 2000 needs to go. With a XS lynch.

[SpyreX]

MAYBE WE ARE MASONS OR SOMETHING ELSE AWESOME

(Or maybe we are just awesome)

XS first. Jenni can rope when he's scum - I'd put dollar dollar bills yall on XS being the PR in this tryst.

[SpyreX]

Hey charter this just in third scum admitted it ON THIS PAGE.

It's pretty awesome and XS needs to be lynched and Robo needs not make any more vote-losing mistakes because WHEN I AM RIGHT AND I AM Robo and Charter are town and votes on EITHER is tantamount to claiming scum.

It's pretty swank, really.

[SpyreX]

Don't you want to play "WHO IS THE THIRD GUNMAN" Robo?

Its right here. Promise.

[SpyreX]

Hippy:

Charter is town because of the response to lol, daykill - namely the irritation BUT THEN moving past it immediately to his real vote.

I've got no idea what the hell XScorp is asking me above. Those words don't make sense and weren't made by me?

[SpyreX]

Boy for all these walls of words there's sure not a whole lot going on.

Of course I swear we must have hit the PR payload with all the deflecting going on around XSCorp.

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While I'm not going to give a point by point about why charter is town because there is one gem in this I want to lay out all nice and clean:

lol? I wouldn't hold too much stock in that opinion. If I had a certain town meta I would try and emulate it as best as possible as scum; the fact that Spyrex hasn't really contributed much in terms of actual scumhunting doesn't help his town case. Just because he is agreeing with you does not make him obvtown. I'm sure Spyrex is just as capable as both town and scum of speaking in riddles, playing games, and voicing apparent gut reads. If you think it is so great for townies to identify each other then what is the harm in explaining those town reads? Oh, because scum then will undermine those reasons? The problem with this "theory" is that a.)if the town read is so obvious then scum would be pretty scummy to try and undermine that; and b.)if the scum were stupid enough to try and undermine a town read they would expose themselves and waa-laa! Scum identified.

Stuff this in your "actual scumhunting" because I've alluded to it but apparently too dense:

If XScorp flips scum the following things are true (at about 80% - if he's a PR about 95%):

1.) Robo is town.
2.) Charter is town.
3.) Jenni is scum.

Additionally, the mystical third gunman named Sawyer hopped all over that in a fabutastic bus trying to salvage a plane in a tailspin.

Of course, if I'm wrong about the scums (I'm not wrong about the towns) then mr "I'll do anything to keep from actually for real commenting on this wagon by fighting for my right to party" xvart would definitely take a bullet or a rope.

How's that for a day 1?

Now, since apparently TEAM XSCORP DEFENSE needs the actual words layed out lets dance:

Your whole "vote Robo and see what happens idea" is inherently scummy in nature, and as such, I believe (quite strongly by this point) that you are scum. Scum "wait and see what happens" whereas townies "make stuff happen". Plus, your timing of it was bad, how you posted some, then did some RVSing. Then, the degree that you're pushing the idea (of which nobody seems to have much interest in following) I find pretty bad.

What about Sawyer do you like? His active lurking, his deflecting questions, his poor voting, or something else?
How is SSBF behaving consistent with his town meta? You didn't really give an opinion on him, I would still like one.

I'm not voting Robo because I don't think he's scum.

You can add rolefishing to reasons I think you're scum as well.

Are you another one of those people who think RVS is where you look for actual clues to scum?
God those people are annoying.

About Sawyer: What questions is he deflecting? How is he lurking any more than say, Zang? Why is his vote bad?
SSBF is town because he is one of those people who actually notices things that are scummy and not stupid (e.g. "omg XScorpion must be scum because he suggested people start a wagon OMFGSCUMMY"). Your parroting of his rolefishing argument is noted.

Lol, RVS? Check.
Calling the case "stupid"? Check.
Accusation of parroting about him rolefishing? Check.
Not actually addressing any of the issues presented? CHECK AND MATE.

This is a scum getting called out and ing it off. Right there. Its been right there clear as day. Further, this madness CONTINUES.

[SpyreX]

By the way, why all the deflection on Charter's behalf? Why can't he defend himself? Hiphop is offering to defend him, and you're defending him here, but he still won't defend himself. Making a case for why Charter's scum isn't tantamount to saying XScorpion isn't scum, it's sharing information with the rest of the town that may help us with our win-con if it turns out to be correct. Also, Charter tested a lot of different wagons before going with the XScorp one.

What?

You can't go "OHH GOD WHY IS HE TOWN??" and then go "OMG DEFLECTION" when I answer good lord.

By the way...the final quote you quoted is wrongfully attributed to Robo rather than to Scorp in your post, but combined with your short analysis, it's the one quote that actually has weight in your argument that Scorp is scum. It makes a lot more sense than some of the other things you've said. It's a lot more useful, too.

That is what I've been going on about the whole time is just that. His reaction to everything has been scum through and through.

Megasuper points on "Ohh he's scummy sure but not as scummy as charter"

1) Anyone can say anything but it doesn't mean it's true; just because they attach phony statistics to the claims also doesn't make it true.
2) Spyrex uses protective percentage qualifiers to give himself an out for when I or someone else flips town.

Is it phony or SECRET SCUM MACHINATIONS?

Because, lo and behold, you're sure trying to point it both ways.

(Hint: 80% confidence is me saying I'm pretty confident. 90+ means I'm almost sure - there's nothing that's a 100% no matter how much you want it to be that way).

(Double Hint: this is tech enough to increase said percentages)

And IF I HAVE TO GIVE A BLOW BY BLOW ON XSCORP I WILL BUT GUARANTEED THAT IS GOING TO MEAN BOTH OF YOU DIE.

Period.

So, lets just save me all that undue effort and lynch xscrop and when he flips scum you can get smirked lynch? The net result is the same, afterall.

[SpyreX]

Because I'm bad at quote tags

Its obviously XScorp I'm talking about.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hells no.

[SpyreX]

Actually, the telling piece is going to be the pair of non-voters at the moment.

[SpyreX]

....

Damnit. I believe the claim.

Why would you claim one-shot otherwise? An SK would get busted properlike gangsta style and that being a mafia only makes sense if they have a 1 shot vig... which is unlikely at best.

However, that doesn't make charter scum FFS. I'm not stoked about the proclamation of not claiming but good lord.

Unvote

[SpyreX]

There damn well better not be a no lynch.

The only scenario that works sans madness is 2 scum / 1? 1 1-shot vig. It could mimick an SK or be an out for claiming vig (especially in a GF/Vig scum scenario with the GF claiming the shot).

However, that is still itchy and swingy by nature.

Chances are he is what he is.

The issue is that DOES NOT EQUAL lynching charter.

Jenni works but a lot of this without xscorp scum is the cart ahead of the horse which I'm not stoked about.

Zang still independently would work.

We DO HAVE TIME still so it doesn't need to be a mad dash.

[SpyreX]

You've got to be kidding me.

[SpyreX]

No, seriously.

We've got people who have flat out vanished, wasted votes and I get THE AWESOME OPTIONS of lynching my #1 town read or letting this go to a nolynch.

This is retarded and it makes me angry.

[SpyreX]

GOD and I'm gone for the rest of the day.

Unvote, Vote: charter

If this is a town flip (hint: it is) you dont GET the option of not taking your shot tonight.
Further, there's a short short list of people who are going to become the dead.

F--

[SpyreX]

All I have to say is:

OHH LOOK ONE KILL SHOCK AND AWE.

OHH LOOK CHARTER WAS TOWN SHOCK AND DOUBLE AWE.

Ohh scorpion, you better be explainin yo

[SpyreX]

Unvote now!
This is LyLo if im right.

Uhhh?

No. No way D2 start with 1 kill is lylo.

[SpyreX]

I don't care about "cred". Charter was town from the minute he didn't vote into that lol, reactions move. Period. It's absolutely pants on head that XS the 'vig' (who *shock* didn't have a shot go through) wagon's depletion = lynch charter. Further, its even more awesome that I had the troll's choice of nolynch or lynch someone who I was pretty damn sure was going to be town.

I thought this was a good question to ask. This would have helped indicate if SpyreX buddy other people as part of his meta or if he does it as scum. I don't see a good reason for why he avoided this question as we could gain something from it.

Do I buddy? Is that the question I 'dodged'?

Go look it up. Meta is ridiculous and I'm not going to help but OHH SNAP the results will be: inconclusive!

Could someone link me to a game where a one-shot vig was roleblocked, but could use his one-shot the following night confirmed by the mod? I have not seen an example of this happening. If XScorpion is Mafia, he could be using this excuse so he won't be accounted for the lack of a second NK. If XScorpion is a multi-shot/full blown Serial Killer, his first shot could have been role blocked, but he could use this oppertunity to put off his second kill until closer to endgame to where he can win in his favor.

I've seen it both ways (when I mod I tend to let them keep the action if blocked).

However, if that was a mafia maneuver saying he still has the shot makes far less sense than otherwise and claiming one shot vig as an SK makes even less sense.

He's still a dead man walking as far as I'm concerned. One more night. Or, if I'm right, this should nail the coffin.

XScorpion isn't looking too good in my eyes, but neither are SpyreX and Robocopter87. Of those, I think Robocopter87 is the scummiest.

Swing and a miss. Again.

Unvote, Vote: Jenni

Xvart could happen too - the after the fact "he's so scummy" reeks of inability to show weakness. That coupled with "ohh snap SpyreX's redeclaration of the charter wagon being retarded is bad but jenni's after the lynch is AOK" makes it six of one, half dozen of the other.

I'll make this real clear though: robo is NOT getting lynched today. Period.

[SpyreX]

Holy hell you're scum aren't you?

Because going "Jenni is town." and "SpyreX always buddies" (HINT: I TOLD YOU CHUCKLEHEADS WHY HE IS TOWN) in the SAME POST bespeaks some tech going on.

[SpyreX]

Because jenni is still MORE SCUM. You may be misguided or scum, but she is scum or scum.

[SpyreX]

How so?

Wrong. I'm town. Geez, tunnel much? Or should we refer to your signature? "I always lynch scum... sometimes they're just not mafia."

I earnestly believed Charter was scum, and I was too damn stubborn to back down from that belief. It made me play dumb, and don't I know it now. However, Charter was too stubborn to back down from his belief about me, too, so it's a case of six to one, half dozen to the other. Scum obviously loved it, though. We were doing all their work for them, and we both ended up getting played. He just died first.

I have no idea what to think right now and am still trying to figure out what happened and who made it happen. All I know is I played the fool, and because of that, we lost the watcher. Other than that, I'm going to shut up until I get a better read on this game in light of the two flips.

"Ohh boohoo me and now I'm not going to play and hope the fact I was adamant about a bad lynch goes away."

[SpyreX]

Ohh hot dogs its a party up ins:

1. Yes, that was the question you

intentionally

dodged.

2. Granted, meta alone shouldn't determind a person's alignment in this game, but that doesn't mean they won't be helpful in any shape or form. While some players do change play styles from game to game which prevent the uses of meta, most players play similarly as scum or town in at least a way. Town will be able to spot the similarity of the play they're generating and compare it to past town/scum games and it can either help soildify the town/scum reads they have.

Interesting choice of words. The kind of words that should, in fact, have a vote attached to them. Or at minimum some heat behind them. But, nope, nothing.

I wouldn't and don't 'dodge' anything. It was a poor meta question that EVEN IF META WASNT RETARDED HE ANSWERS IN THE SAME POST GOOD LORD.

hiphop is considering you buddying other people a null tell based off experience with you in previous games. Not sure why him saying you always buddy people and that's it's a null tell to him should be considered scummy.

Its not. It wouldn't be brought up if it was "null". It's "OHH NO YOU ARE BUDDYING BUT MAYBE YOU ARENT SCUM FOR IT".

Which is just fantastic and awesome. Robo (you know that guy you've got a wasted vote on) and Charter are/were town through and through. Being able to see and comment thusly on that isn't "buddying" and if it was well put that scarlet B on me because I'll take it to the bank every day of the week.

As for "dodging" this is an awesome catchup post that ignores jenni's declaration of not posting at all. Well played.

[SpyreX]

I'm assuming by that statement, you're referring to me getting some heat based off those statements, correct? If so, it's a bit too early to say that a particular person should be getting more attention, especially since this post I'm quoting is right after my latest post.

If you're going to make an assumation try making one thats rooted in the meaning of the words presented:

You chose a very specific set of words that have a very specific meaning - saying that I 'intentionally' dodged the question implies, directly, that I would have some reason to dodge it.

However, YOUR WORDS were not backed with any heat. Or a vote. Or anything. They're just words that instead of being an offense are just sitting there begging for something to happen.

1. I haven't seen a well-supported argument for Robocopter87 being town in this game. Show me evidence or you are just making white noise.

The hell do I need to give a 'well-supported' argument for someone being town. I was fairly confident (and would be sure with an XScorp flip) and then starting out today worried about lylo is a pretty good kicker.

2. So you're saying that your mass defending of charter isn't buddying him?

Stating my town reads isn't buddying. 'Buddying', the type that actually matters, is a type of sheeping - running hard and fast on someone and then using them as the rationale for decisions. Show me doing that. Go for it. Playing WITH my town reads != buddying and even then its a moot argument because you've still not had the stones to actually call me scum.

However, If you're going to play that route what up with the 180 on jenni landing on "ohh jenni is town and if we lynch jenni and she is town shoot charter".

Which is even more awesome with:

I was not asked to comment in the jenniwren's "not going to post" until later incident. On the other hand, hiphop asked you a question and you avoided it. I'm not going to go further into this since I've already received

satisfactory explanations

.

I'm playing...just not posting...yet. No need to be mean.

?

Yea. On top of apples != b52 bombers you've went ahead and called this the satisfactory explanation for "I'm not going to play the game."

XScorp, SSBF, Jenni with a side of hiphop. There's PROBABLY the whole scumteam in there. Two for sure.

[SpyreX]

FEEL MY SHOCK. SMELL MY SURPRISE.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, it feels to me like you're riding the wave of towniness you expect from charter's town flip. Playing a game of "I told you so" is not pro-town. It does nothing to help find scum. Also, your read on SSBF is totally off. Stop being so awful. I beg of you.

What in the hell is this?

No, seriously, what is "I told you so" about my vote for jenni and

my having to 'defend' calling charter town

.

And I'm the awful one. Nicely played.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yes benmage is up ins. HELP ME OBI WAN.

And no, Charter and I weren't masons. I was being snide at the 'subtle' hints we knew something about each others alignments versus being able to read town as town my god.

But, lets delve back into the irritation walls:

1. You already gave reasons for not answering the questions. You said it was a poor meta question and that hiphop already answered it in the same post that he asked it, that's a reason for intentionally dodging the question.

What? I'm not goign to go on some kinda meta discussion under the best of terms. I'm also not avoiding a rhetorical question (or, if you want to be all semantics (which you will) a question already answered). I'm not dodging something if its already there my lord.

2. Technically, I have already given you a bit of heat when saying you weren't looking too good in my first post of Day 2, which indicates that I suspect you. However, going as far as to vote you for it would be unecessary since I only found it, at the time, mildly scummy, not OMG MUST LYNCH scummy.

Tepid, tepid. We'll see if you turn it up a notch when you've gotta explain some flips.

1. If you truly think a person under suspicious should not be lynched for today, you should at least give a decent explanation on why you find a person scummy. Otherwise, I am unconvinced.

Also noticed something, if you thought charter was worthy of being defended a lot Day 1, why aren't you doing to same to Robocopter87?

What?

No, seriously, what?

Are you actually saying that I didn't explain why XScorp was scummy yesterday (and no kill today sure doesn't change that).

Are you saying that I didn't, flat out, say we're not lynching robocopter today? Seriously?

Nice misrep there. I never said that jenniwren gave a satisfactory explanation. I said that hiphop basically gave me the answer to his question regarding you buddying other people was a satisfactory explantion.

OHH LOOK ITS HURF DURF MISREP TIME

So, you're saying that you've had a satisfactory answer to the part of that which you've been going over? Or somehow between 375 and 377 there's a shocking revelation about my nefarious dodging and what not?

No. I want this explained with the simple words if "satisfactory explanations" is in fact referring to hiphop's post and not me calling you out for avoiding jenni's meltdown all together.

397 can wait until morning. I don't even know where to begin with that "ohh, he was soooo scummy" that you have the gumption to still have people doing jesus.

[SpyreX]

I have already receive satisfactory explanation as soon as hiphop gave some meta of his own regarding you.

Also, for explanation on why I was referring to hiphop post and not jenniwren's post.

#360, I asked you to answer the meta question. #363, hiphop said that he's sure that you buddy every game. Both games you were of opposite alignment and both games you buddied hard. At #377, I said on the other hand, hiphop asked you a question and you avoided it and that I was not going further into this since I've already received satisfactory explanation for if you always buddy regardless of alignment.

By satisfactory explanation, I was meaning that hiphop gave sufficent meta explanation. jenniwren's not posting debacle had no part in this.

Soo... you replied to me saying I dodged the question D1 (that he, himself, answered) and then went on with this whole sphiel when I in 361 answered it AND he answered it in 363 for... birds

And AGAIN you're asking me why robocopter is town AND still didn't even pretend to address jenni's not posting debacle even now after that's went away?

Well, we'll go ahead and remove one of those factors right here - with the caveat that Robo NEEDS TO GET HIS HEAD BACK IN THE GAME MAN

One word and a number: ISO 25.

The secret sauce in there? Well, it wouldn't be a secret if I told you. But its there. In fact, I want you to reread it and then tell me what you think I'm talking about or opt to say how I'm sooo bad and I protect alll the scummiest towns blah blah.

There's two other SECRET MAGIC BULLETS that if I have to pull them out. Like I said, Robo is not getting lynched today. Its just not happening.

If you fight me on this, and he flips town, you're dead. Someone will take up the call even if you chuckleheads kill me.

[SpyreX]

Damnit all:

1. You did not answer the meta question in #361 at all. You said to me "Go look it up". Not an answer to my meta question.

Wrong. I gave the answer. That it would be inconclusive. Because meta is retarded and most things I do I do as both alignments wooosh.

2. I'll be honest, you are putting too much stock on the jenniwren's "not posting" situation. That's not saying we shouldn't talk about it, but I believe you are blowing it out of proportion in terms of importance.

Adrent proponent of a mislynch then goes "welll I need to readjust better stop posting" and I'm putting too much stock in it. Yeehaw.

3. Good, you've finally given a reason for why we shouldn't lynch Robocopter87. Congratulation, you are 50% of the way. To accomplish the other 50%, you must make your argument for Robocopter87-town convincing. Which unfortunently, you have not fufilled yet. While ISO: 25 is a good post, it does not overwhelm his overall scumminess in this game. That's not to say he hasn't done anything pro-town, ISO: 25 was a good post, but when looking at it in terms of quality and quantity, Robocopter87's scummy posts outweights the towny posts he makes.

You missed the point in 25. Not surprisingly.

ISO 25 has one of those screaming bullet town intents in it: he realizes people are going to focus on the words about them and actively wants them to view the whole thing. ON TOP, he wants

his case

to be actively reviewed.

Town.

4. Please reveal those two "magic bullets for why Robocopter87 is town" soon as right now, a Robocopter87 lynch is the most likely for today. I'd love to hear a convincing argument for Robocopter87 being town. As said before, ISO: 25 was a good post, but a post back in Day 1 will not convince me of his innocent, especially when his play other then that post has been scummy enough to earn my vote on him.

1.) The edit. That is NOT something scum would risk ever. Ever. Its not a "new" thing or not - its pretty clear after any number of games editing posts MOST OFTEN is death. To make it look right? No way in hell.

2.) The switch on XScorp.

Before

the claim. There was an honest reevaluation of the case he was running and scum would be bullheaded enough to ride it out to AT LEAST get the claim.

5. Not afraid of dying if it means it will catch scum.

OHh martyr. Except for that whole if he's town like he's going to be business.

Robocopter is a bad lynch.

XScorp is also a bad lynch.

Now, its not a shining paragon of townitude HOWEVER there's something to be said about this that I really didn't think needed to be spelled out but lets go ahead.

Sure.
I am Trix. I am a one-shot vigilante.

charter - Lucky (lynched D1) was a Town Watcher.
Zang - Tony the Tiger (shot N2) was a Town One-Shot Role Cop.

We have a watcher here. Considering the absolute liklihood of a protective role existing in some fashion the other PR's are going to be watered down. Unless the argument is scum are 1-shots (which doesn't make a lot of sense considering the watcher already) or XScorp happened to randomly claim one-shot vig and have one flip everything points to the claim fitting the setup.

Its not a get out of jail free pass for the whole game but it sure as hell doesn't make sense for a D2 lynch.

SO, one more time into the fray:

Spryex you vote is horrible right now.

Spyrex-Why are you so set on an jenni lynch? Day 1 you are set on xscorp, then you switch, and haven't looked back. What has xscorp done the excuses him? Do the town thing and bw instead of being a lone wolf with 2 days left.

No.

Hows about you pair of chuckleheads give me a real reason for jenni being town. EVEN if you don't do that hows about calling out xvart or hiphop or ANY OF THE BASTION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER LYNCHES.

You don't get it this time. I'm absolutely not lynching Robo today. I'm going to need gifts from on high to lynch XScorp.

So hows about you explain to ME why jenni is such a bad lynch for starters.

[SpyreX]

This game makes my teeth itch and you all make me amazingly angry. Just FYI.

@SSBF:

Meta is not always inconclusive. As a matter of fact, they can be used to supplement a case if you see a series of actions that person A is doing that he also did as scum in the previous game and the other way, so it can help determine a person to be town or scum.

I also realized that you said something similar to my argument here in your Wiki. And you say meta is retartded.

Meta. Is. Retarded. The desire to supplement a case means the case is there regardless. Going OHH meta does nothing and its a waste of time in 9 out of 10 cases and IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS I'd make a dayvig that could only kill people with the word 'meta' in their posts.

The point is that jenniwren "not posting" situation alone should not be the be-all, end-all of scum tells. Only the strongest of scum tells deserve that title, like for example, an obvious scum slip/claiming scum.

Like saying you have no scum reads? A statement that, *gasp*, makes little sense because of the nature of the blowback it gets?

Is that the strongest of scum tells?

Pushing through a mislynch and then slinking into the shadows IS SCUMMY. I don't know where you're gettign this be-all, end-all of scum tells attempt at painting this like something else but tech work there.

Wouldn't people focusing on the words about them and actively want them to view the whole thing/actively reviewed be something that everyone who makes cases expect to get? Not sure how that this case is that significantly different from other cases made.

Also, that post alone does not make Robocopter87 town. Even if it was good (Which it was, I'll give you that), it is not to exceed the scumminess of Robocopter87's play when looking at it overall.

Good lord.

It is the

intent

. That post shows an honest intent to look for scum. Not to simply post or to aim for any lynch. There is method there.

Props on "Ohh that's a good post but he's still scum".

Really disagree with this. I don't see how this is a town tell. The only reason why he was able to edit his post is because he is modding a game here at Coney Island. Also, scum motivations is very well possible for editing a post.

Let's say Person A a current mod of Coney Island called Game 1 and playing a game that is in the same section of the forum called Game 2. He is scum in Game 2. Wanting to avoid a lynch/having to fakeclaim and with no one looking, he quickly get rid of the slip by editing it. Therefore, no one finds out and he doesn't get in trouble game-wise or get punished by the mod.

Editing a post can have scum motivation and can benefit them if they can edit the information that could expose them as scum. By doing this, they can destory information that they create without the player/mod even knowing it.

Except for that whole it shows the posts are edited and that can't be changed part. (Yes, that is why you can't edit in forum games in general and why its, normally, a modkillable offense - the whole reason why scum wouldn't MAKE CHANGES).

Hardly what I consider a "magic bullet on why Robocopter87 is town". I didn't find the post scummy, but I don't see any super townie intentions either. So really, more of a null tell to me.

It's pretty clear that it doesn't matter and you're going to push this lynch through (which makes "post content" for him even more awesome).

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SpyreX, You are constantly saying people are bad lynches, as if you knew they were town. Only Mafia know who Town is.

No. I'm saying YOU are a bad lynch, period. Charter WAS a bad lynch. Robo is a bad lynch

today

.

Jenni is a good lynch. Xvart is a good lynch. SSBF is a good lynch but you chuckleheads will never ever see it. Hiphop is a decent lynch. These are good things.

I am not stoked at the softclaim and then stepping back from it maaan. Keep it together.

I'm still waiting for any reasons at all for real why jenni is such a great asset. Why I can get NO traction on it. Hmm its a mystery huh.

[SpyreX]

A flower needs water, sun and time to grow.

When it blossoms all will make sense.

[SpyreX]

I dont think you're a VI. In the slightest.

Playing up "my credibility is shot" when you haven't pushed ANYTHING today besides wringing your hands about me is not awesome.

Voting for robocopter under the "everyone is scum" but, again, not saying anything about anything is not awesome.

The fact SSBF has still opted to not actually say words about this in all his words is telling.

Xvart is a whole lot of yesterday hate + if this lynch goes through and I'm right again a pattern that kinda reads SCUM BE HERE on his back.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote Hiphop

[SpyreX]

Hold up a sec.

Your action was successful?

WHAT action?

[SpyreX]

I think it might be massclaim time.

[SpyreX]

516 is awesomeeee. We'll get back to that when this is done.

It IS probably mylo and thats why I want the claims now.

[SpyreX]

I'm a One-shot Jailer. My satis-Smatck-tion cancels all ability(ies) that night and protects them from killing actions.

Jenni now.

And:

What is the difference between this game and this one?

You mean the game where we claimed at mylo? After I said it was massclaim time?

[SpyreX]

Remind me when this claiming is finished that there is a VERY IMPORTANT question I have to ask.

VERY IMPORTANT

P.S. prods

[SpyreX]

Ohh I wont forget the question. I just may forget to ask it if I'm not reminded what with the speedy speeds.

[SpyreX]

DO NOT GET DISTRACTED.

AS STUPID AS IT SOUNDS I DO NOT WANT TALK TALK UNTIL THE CLAIM IS DONE.

TRUST

[SpyreX]

What part of NO TALK TALK UNTIL CLAIMS ARE DONE is so hard?

[SpyreX]

THESE WORDS ARE STILL HARD APPARENTLY.

NO TALK UNTIL CLAIM DONE.

[SpyreX]

THAT CONSTITUTES WORDS

Jesus why is this so hard.

[SpyreX]

:headdesk:

You've gotta be kidding me.

This process has been like hearding cats and why am I not surprised in the least at OHH HAY I AM POWER ROLE but nothing more.

Good lord.

I think thats everyone though, right?

So before I lay out what's going on and get the floodgates of rage fully opened at the barrage of chuckleheads that today has been MY IMPORTANT QUESTION:

@Equinox:

Can you give the quick skinny on your thought process in 535 and 536? It is p vital.

[SpyreX]

Because of meta, I'm betting.

But, *gasp* this time its not true. I haven't used it.

Which is PART of why I didn't want to go into details about what's up. The other part should be fairly self-explanatory: during massclaim don't get the fakeclaims fodder ffs.

That said, due to the amazing awesome that was Kirby and the failbag there's a more than decent shot that I'm dead tonight.

So, we get the full skinny on whats up and I swear to GOD if you don't listen I'm going to be pissed.

First things first:

@Equinox: Thank you. That's pretty much exactly what I was expecting and you've been my wildcard read. However, that kinda helps cement a few things.

So, lets play a game of parse:

Benmage - Crackle - VT
hiphop - Pop - One-Shot Nurse (Gained BP / Lost)
jenniwren - Sugar Bear - VT
Kirbyoshi - Toucan Sam - MYSTERIOUS POWER ROLE :headdesk:
Equinox - Cap'n Crunch - VT
SpyreX - Dig'Em - One-Shot Jailer
Super Smash Bros. Fan - Buzz Bee - VT
Xscorpion - the Trix Rabbit - One-Shot Vig (Xvart)
Charter - Lucky - Watcher
Zang - Tony - One-Shot Rolecop
Robocotper - Snap - One-Shot BP
Xvart - Sonny the Cuckoo Bird - VT

So, the theoretical breakdown:
5 VT
3 'Protective' Roles (Jailer / BP / Nurse)
2 Investigative Roles (Watcher / Rolecop )
1 ?? (I've got two pretty solid guesses but LETS MAKE THIS HARDER BECAUSE)
1 Vig

WITH THAT SAID lets do the other secret important part of the parse (AND LISTEN TO THIS PART BECAUSE ITS IMPORTANT TIA):

Benmage and Equinox are town. Individually its fairly clear and if I really have to illustrate why in detail I will but good lord (hint: look at who went OMG HOW IS YOU TOWN??? at the end of this parse). Additionally, there's a huge piece of moddery that plays into the ruleset and both of them being replaced instead of dead - assuming a 3 person scumteam (which I am) at that point both of them being modkilled would have been game.

So, what we're really looking at is: hiphop, jenni, kirby, SSBF, Xscorp (OHH GOD SPYREX DIDNT PUT HISMELF BARRRRHGFG)

But, lets make it a bit more interesting (and this is doubly telling and I seriously hated having to wait for this business until now): hiphop is scum. Period.

Why, you may ask? Well, aside from the skewdieweebop, lets look at a couple key points:

1.) One-shot nurse absolutely doesn't make sense. Nurse is inherently a one-shot role. The addition of it attempts to add credence BUT falls flat on its face.
2.) Nurse is a

passive

role. There would be no 'action confirmed' message in any world. Period.
3.)

Flavor should not affect the outcome of the game.

. His flavor absolutely does just that.
4.) Disregarding #3 for a second, if hiphop's flavor was true it was saying "at least one of Snap or Crackle is a protective role". Which makes a lot of sense with the early vote for robocopter. Ohh wait, no it doesn't. At least you wouldn't throw them under the bus in a them or me moment, right? Ohh wait, yes you would.
5.)

As for cc's- i have come to the conclusion that Spyrex is right, in the fact that cc's are just flavor and won't lead to who is scum and who is not. Especially since the mod displayed them for all to see.

So, with this (and I'm going to be voting for him because I'm confident enough with this I'd gamble the whole shebang on this sucker) we have to look at who makes the most sense with him.

Jenni, well. Yea:

Well this is just peachy. Two claimed PRs have been run up and we have no time to even talk about it...

If I vote hiphop, then Robo or SSBF (as he said he would be on to prevent a no-lynch if needed) can hammer; if I vote Robo we will have a no lynch unless Robo self-hammers or someone from hiphop's wagon switches in the next...three hours?

Vote: hiphop

Prev. Edit: gah Equinox!

unvote

I don't know if I believe hiphop's claim, but I'm going to think about it.

Considering all the other flips have been one-shot roles except for Charter's, there is a chance that there is a one-shot nurse as well. There isn't a need to lynch anyone right away, anyway.

Its not like its went both ways right?

Don't like it. I find jenni to be newb(if that offends you sorry) who is still learning how to play. Truth be told it does look like she is trying to scumhunt, does it not? Now I don't agree with her case, because the way I see it she only attacks you for scumhunting, which is what town should do, but nonetheless she is trying to find scum.

OHH SNAP it sure did.

Cash money on this one. Which leaves: Xscorp, Kirby, SSBF.

CAN IT BE THIS EASY? IS XSCORP THE THIRD GUNMAN?

Nope. No way with the way this game was going both would be rolling busses on him. Additionally, I'm thinking its a 1 PR (maaybe 2 but probably not) 2 goon setup and that it is not a one-shot. (3/12 with a town dispersal makes sense) - which means XS's D1 claim holds a lot more weight than others.

SO WHO IS IT? KIRBY RITEE?

Ehh. I'm not near as confident about this as the Hiphop / Jenni feelgood club. The lowball pat on Kirby's head doesn't make sense because of the end-game tie something like that can cause. Further, being the last to claim and not claiming reeeks of a town move (or ballsy scum but this far ahead not near as likely).

So:

Yea, the noisemaker. My money is on him being the PR as well (and I have an idea but it requires SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE WHO ISNT COOPERATING YET KIRBY).

Which puts the actual setup at:

3 VT's
1 Vig
2 'Protective' Roles
2 Investigative Roles
1 MYSTERY ROLE
2 Goons
1 PR

Which adds up alright (while it seems townsided in theory the Role-Cop meshes well depending on the MYSTERY ROLE and the watcher has a way higher chance of seeing town touching town in townland then finding scum).

So, yes. Hiphop is scum. Jenni is scum. SSBF is probably scum.

Unvote, Vote: Hiphop

If XScorp actually wants me to explain why claiming now makes sense (protip: hiphop was the "OHH NOES NOW THE SCUM KNOW EVERYTHINGS AND ITS SPYREX'S FAULT") I will. I really, really,

really

shouldn't have to.

The only question in my head is why claim the hit? Trying to fake a tie to xscorp? Am I wrong and its the full equinox tryst?

I need NEED Kirby's info.

[SpyreX]

....

Holy hell in a handbasket.

I haven't even HEARD of a role like that and, needless to say, that throws some business out of whack.

[SpyreX]

My thoughts on the setup, mostly.

Lemme parse and get back to you.

[SpyreX]

WELL IF I WAS RIGHT ABOUT KIRBY HIM OUTTING HIMSELF WAS BETTER.

As it is I'm still stuck on that role. But, I keep coming back to 'no way in hell would scum claim that one'.

[SpyreX]

Aight catcup.

First off a parse assuming kirby STILL makes my head hurt. Assuming the truth we're looking at a strong scum setup. Which would mean either two PR's lying or a VT lying as a scum PR (which, for whatever reason, I don't see ALL that often). Assuming scum I just don't understand - he didn't play up a push for a mislynch AND hiding that role actually makes...sense? If we'd seen multiple kills I'd say an SK move but as it sits I guess I have to lean town.

I disagree that ConfidAnon/Sawyer nearly facing a mod-kill is alignment-indicated. Even if both were mod-killed and flipped town, assuming a three-scum set-up, we would be in an 5 town - 3 scums situation which would not result in a scum win.

Disregarding the simple fact that Equinox and Benmage have been playing town I'll call out your garbagio with this:

10 alive day 2. Normally, BaM does modkill at lynch. So, 9 at lynch.

9 - 2 - 1 kill = 6 alive. 3 scum is game. "OHH NOES THAT ASSUMES A MISLYNCH D2". Yea, it does. So, yes, 3 town deaths there would have been game. Again, it is moot because they're not scum based on their play but hay don't let that stop you.

I'm skipping the pair of XSCORP IS SCUM YO because its the same old song and dance.

hiphop's play looked very town to me Day 1 and Day 2 with him scum hunting a lot, being outspoken about his opinions, etc. However, I am starting to doubt hiphop's alignment. SpyreX's #572, he brings up a couple of good points that point toward hiphop scum. One was that his flavor claim affects the game and the other one was that nurse is a passive role. These reasons make sense to me and open up the possibility of hiphop-scum, but I am still undecided on him.

ConfidAnon did next to nothing in this game with his only contributation being his unfinished catch-up post, which had some parrots in it so he was neutral-scummy to me. Benmage's Day 2 play gave me a town vibe from him thought, but I do find his Day 3 play questionable. His "I'm 100% confirmed town" stances is scummy because there is no way to prove a Vanilla Townie claim or the person's alignment. I also don't like his suggestion that we should lynch today either.* A scum wants to achieve a quick victory as soon as possible and the best way to achieve that is by lynching today instead of us waiting until tomorrow in where we have a better chance of finding scums. If he is a Vanilla Townie, then what is already a big risk to take will be even bigger today. Those two things put the slot down as a possible scum.

"I totally don't want to bus my partner yo I mean SpyreX is right but SpyreX is still scum hurfhurf."
"I'm totally not going to look at the context of why ben said that or why that makes little sense as a scum because of just that reason but keep on keepin on"

While I did think jenniwren's Day 1 play was very pro-town, I will agree with SpyreX that she most certainly slacked off big time Day 2. I didn't like how she changed her play style so sharply. Day 1, she was aggressive, confident, and attacked her suspects with mostly good cases. Day 2, she took a mostly casual approach to the situation and didn't contribute nearly as much. However, jenniwren's Day 1 play is enough to give me a slight town read on her.

Kirbyoshi's play has been neutral to me throughout most of this game. He contributes and makes some good points, but not spectactularly scummy to me. However, I find his Sane Gun Owner claim to be completely out of this world and it makes no sense to me. It also doesn't give me good vibes about him. I wouldn't mind a Kirbyoshi's lynch tomorrow.

Day 2, SpyreX was my second lynch candidate and the majority of his case on me is weak and I have noticed some things that bother me about him. However, I am willing to give his claim the benefit of a doubt and I do believe it more then some others claims out there *coughcough XScorpion/Kirbyoshi coughcough*. Still suspicious of him, although not as much.

"SpyreX, the scum, I'm going to agree with some more and still not try to throw that bus because the day 1 play (hint: it wasn't good) is enough to disregard doing nothing d2"

"While I will allow no speculation about setup to argue other people I have to keep some options open so even though I've got nothing on kirby I've already cleared both my partners thus"

"SpyreX = OMGUS"

1)I said the role the mod gave me. What more do you want? Here is a hint guys, next time you get a role that is iffy, fakeclaim. *sarcasm* And obviously a nurse is not inherently a one-shot, since technically if I could still use my role tonight then I would have used my role twice.

2)I take it you have not used your role, or should I say have not been sending in the actions for your scum group. This is my 13th game on this site, I believe, and I never had a mod confirm that a role was successful on this one or on the other one that i play at. Not only that, but it is not common to do so. So do you really think I as scum, would claim such an absurd fact as that unless it was true? Wifom, but think about it. The mod confirmed that the action was successful. Period. In fact, since Xscorp is the only who has used his role. let's try this.

3)That is a matter of your opinion.

4)Let'd think about this one. I did not know that Snap or Crackle was going to be a protective role. In fact I did not know that those parts of the flavor were even related. All I knew is there was a protective role, and I was going to be a person who gets to save someone once they died.

At everyone- Base on my claim, would you have guesses that Snap or crackler was a protective role?

And as far as i knew, it made sense that Snap, crackle, or pop would rebel. And since I know I didn't, then that limits it to be one of the other 2. That was of course before I realized that the mod could have made anyone scum.

1.) If the mod actually gave a role that mechanically didn't make sense I'd sure as hell say something to the mod. Of course, if I fakeclaim and screw up and get called out on it I'm sure gonna go welp, thats what the mod gave me. And nurse is inherently one-shot: it takes on the attributes of the protective (namely, doc) role when it dies. It doesn't jump role to role - what happens AFTER may not be one shot but the nurse is.

2.) After the swing and a miss with your claim and saying that the passive role (hint: you would have got some form of 'you are now a BP' not 'action (that you didn't perform) successful') got mod information well swing and a miss.

3.) No. You saying that "Snap or Crackle are a protective role" is a part of your flavor

definitively affects the outcome

of the game via flavor. That is not an opinion.

4.) If your flavor is true you knew one of them was. MAYBE you could have said "ohh scum doc" but no. You went "SEE LOOK MY FLAVOR + ROBO = DELICIOUS PRIZES"

quite a change of heart from that game to this game. What happened? Different alignment?

You're talking about the game of "SpyreX is totally a lyncher and wants us to nolynch so he can win" when I had no definitive 100% I'm calling this scum for the game reads?

As being the same as here and the difference being my alignment?

In a large setup versus a mini?

If you keep stretching, you may in fact get that moon.

[SpyreX]

Ohh hay whatup waste of space yesterday.

What a surprise this all comes out today and not yesterday when it would have got you lynched. Fancy that.

1.Already explained. Really do not want to make any extra noise. If people want to see my argument here it is Nothing more to say on that point.

Your argument is "the mod gave me the role *shrug*". F--

2. Again, did you use your role? Like I said I protected myself, and mod said action successful. Not only that, but you believe that xscorp is town as stated here. Yet Xscorp said he also got a message from the mod that said action successful as stated here. So why isn't xscorp scum also? Hint- Scum has got to buddy someone. You believe xscorp got a message yet you don't believe me, when I stated in the thread first that the mod does confirm successful actions? Now your tunneling.

Nice try. If someone awesome, like Benmage, really wants to know if I used my powers, sure.

But, lets get to the heart. Now you're saying your BP (the one you inhereted as a one shot nurse, lets keep this clear) was an

action you submitted to the mod to protect yourself and he said action successful.

Which, oddly enough, wasn't what you actually argued with me yesterday:

2.) Nurse is a passive role. There would be no 'action confirmed' message in any world. Period.

2)I take it you have not used your role, or should I say have not been sending in the actions for your scum group. This is my 13th game on this site, I believe, and I never had a mod confirm that a role was successful on this one or on the other one that i play at. Not only that, but it is not common to do so. So do you really think I as scum, would claim such an absurd fact as that unless it was true? Wifom, but think about it. The mod confirmed that the action was successful. Period. In fact, since Xscorp is the only who has used his role. let's try this.

So, NOW, you're saying that your passive role of nurse wasn't what got the action successful (which it wouldn't) it would be your passive role of bp (which ALSO wouldn't - MAYBE the mod would tell you your BP was gone but not 'action successful') which doesn't even mesh up with yesterday good lord man.

And XScorp has a role that, in fact, would get an "action successful" message if that's what the mod does.

3. Here is the big one.

Everybody read this-
I am
A: Town who I got flavor from the mod that was true.
B: Scum who bs'd flavor that somehow ended up being correct.

Which one do you really believe?

Seriously? How in the world can I get flavor that affects the game when I am scum??

How do you get flavor that affects the game as either alignment when the mod expressly says it doesn't exist?

You don't.

So, its:
C: You had flavor that was adapatable and got lucky.

4. How also was I supposed to know my flavor was true? As the only person to answer my question, Equinox also stated she would not have drawn the connection that one Snap, or crackle was a protective role. As stated here

Which is it? Is it "TOTALLY MY FLAVOR MAKES ME TOWN YO" or "GOLLY GEE MY FLAVOR WASNT AWESOME THATS WHY I LYNCHED ONE OF THE TWO ROLES MY FLAVOR WOULD HAVE SUGGESTED IS A PROTECTIVE ROLE".

Cause it sure can't be both.

My fingers oohhh nooooesss

Vote: Hiphop

[SpyreX]

OHH SNAP LOOK AT ALL THAT HIPHOP STILL BEING ALIVE

Jesus its always awesome when its this easy.

It's also extra awesome watching the "ohh its megatown to say who he jailed when if he did its fairly apparent it didn't change anything last night" business.

And who its coming from.

[SpyreX]

AND JUST SO WE ARE CLEAR.

Look at the devil's post right above. See that post? That is a town post.

Look two up. See that post that doesn't make 'sense' or 'address things'? That is a scum post.

[SpyreX]

Let me make something clear. I was a one-shot nurse, not a bp. A nurse. I could protect anyone. The reason i asked the question is because if you had used your role, you would have found the mod sending you a message that said your action was successful, if it succeeded. Same message I got and the same message that xscorp got when he used his role. You know the person who you say is town. Not like i really care really for myself because your not a jailkeeper, so you wouldn't get the message. Which is why you are dodging the point.

Let me make something clear again:

A nurse, inherently, does nothing. It has no actions. It has no success.

A nurse is a facilititative role that gains the abilities of, normally, a doctor but SURE in a pinch another successful role.

You would NOT, period, have got an "action successful" because

you take no actions as a nurse.

You MAY have gotten a "you are now a BP." and, from there SURE a "your BP has been used up."

Never, NEVER, for either of these roles would an action successful make sense.

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: SSBF

Yea, needless to say I didn't use the jail before.

[SpyreX]

I'm not going to be around tomorrow (Anniversary!).

So, protip and follow me here:

If I get killed, benmage is town.

Jenni's vote doesn't change the fact she'd be where I throw the final one.

I'm more confident in XS than Kirby but that role still doesn't make any sense.

[SpyreX]

Boo for wife-homework on anniversary day.

Lets put it this way Ben:

You are town.
If hiphop had flipped one shot or something along those lines (versus MY fruit vendor sheesh) I'd be a bit more hesitant to buy the claim because I'm sure not sold on the play.
Kirby is the other side. I lean disinterested town BUT that claim gives me hella pause.
Then, there's jenni. I mean, look at 693. Add to that the crumbed VT claim and some of the key business and interaction with SSBF and Hiphop and there you go.

I really doubt they NK'd. I also really doubt SSBF was the kill target with how yesterday went. And that whole he's scum business.

So, SSBF and Jenni.

[SpyreX]

Its the timing of the claim, more than anything.

That and SSBF, Jenni AND XS can't be scum.

I mean if they kill me and you end up throwing the hammer on XS, win or lose, I wont strangle YOU for it.

[SpyreX]

Ohh yea I was scum. My bad

Feel free to give the QT.

[SpyreX]

Not my best performance but good enough.

Oddly enough, not TOO much would have changed on the flipside - except I probably would have been a bit more active D1 to make sure charter didn't get lynched (seriously guys I still don't understand that one while it sure helped me) and XS would have been dead, dead DEAD D2 if not D1.