It's Always Sunny Mafia! (OVER-The Gang Saves Paddy's Pub!)

[HackerHuck]

HackerHuck replaces Starbuck.

Vote count tomorrow. The Mod needs sleeeeeeep.

So do I.

Hi all. I'll do my readthrough in the morning.

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[HackerHuck]

This is an interesting start. I'm not entirely sure what is going on, but why aren't we killing the claimed miller? Now's the best time to do it.

Vote: Fate

[HackerHuck]

@Hacker
He claimed Miller Princess. Princess.

The Beloved Princess is a normal Townie, but when she dies, the next day phase is skipped (because everyone is at her funeral). Despite being a pro-Town role, the possibility of two consecutive night phases favor the anti-Town factions.

If VV is day vig, he's an idiot and didn't shoot the claimed princess. Scummy mc scumm is within Hacker who missed the rest of Fate's claim in the same post.

LOL I JUST RE-READ MY ROLE PM. I BANGED YOU FOR $250 LULZ

BUT BECAUSE IM SUCH A SLUT-WHORE/WHATEVER/SHADY/FUCK:

I"M A MILLER.

BUT SINCE IM SO HATED I"M LOVED, IM ALSO A PRINCESS (O_O????) SO UHH YEAH. TWO NIGHT PHASES AND SHIT HAPPEN IF I DIE AND THATS NOT COOL.

/endRVS

PREVIEW: OOP

He claimed Miller Princess. Miller.
No miller ever gets NKed by scum and you don't want someone who investigates as scum around at end game. The risk of a mislynch makes it even worse.

Also, the death of the princess

by any means

causes the next day to be skipped. It doesn't matter if it's a lynch, a vig, or a scum kill. Now that her role is out there, if she's really a princess and we keep her alive the scum will just NK her when it's to their advantage.

There's absolutely no reason to keep Fate alive.

[HackerHuck]

No, no, no!

Chrono could be scum, but Vezok's not. Regardless, we need to kill Fate before it gets to be too late. What makes you think that the scum will?

[HackerHuck]

Vezok is a much bigger threat.

How so? He claimed one-shot. If he kills again tomorrow, we know he's lying scum and we'll lynch him.

[HackerHuck]

@Hacker: If he gets to shoot again, he can hold his shot until it's key to scum victory, like LyLo for example. As scum, he is a strong threat, as town he is a vanilla townie. Seems like a pretty fair trade to me.

Isn't that the same argument I'm using to try and get Fate lynched? Anyway, if Vezok is still alive in a few days, he becomes much more suspect. I don't see a reason to push for his death today. Besides, he's voting Chronopie right now who is scummier.

[HackerHuck]

HackerHuck. How sure are you that vezo is innocent? Would you give your life for the wager?

I'm not at all sure he's innocent, but a one-shot daykill is more likely town than scum. My point is that he said he only has one kill, so we'll find out pretty soon if he's lying. If he appears scummy, then lynch him, but all I'm seeing is that he mad a bad choice in killing the Mask. Fate needs to die sooner, rather than later and if he's really a princess then we want to do it now before we get any more claims.

[HackerHuck]

Mod

is it correct that Seth has two votes cast?

[HackerHuck]

DON'T YOU DARE AVOID THIS THREAD HACKERHUCK.

I FUCKIN SEE YOU

Why the hate? I am playing in more than one game on this forum and you know I'm just going to come in her and try to get you lynched.

Hrezs is making sense, but Raivann isn't - except for that last post about asking Vezok to make a post with 'kill: Fate' in bold. That needs to be done today, but after we have a chance to find some scum. I don't want to risk an early end to the day and Fate is still the play unless that kill actually goes through.

I think Raivann has doubled his post count in the last six hours. Where were you yesterday when everything was going down?
Hrezs was also MIA yesterday, but I like the way he's starting the day.
Sociopath - why no chance for a Chronopie claim?

I think there are also a few people I"m missing because they haven't been around.

Hmm, just saw Raivann's last post. That seems fishy. Vezok needs to try it, but you're trying to act all sly about asking him to do it.

[HackerHuck]

Well, that was a good idea, but I just hope we don't go straight into night if it does work.

[HackerHuck]

HEY WHERE THE FUCK IS DTM

Hey Hacker, want to scumhunt now or are you just gonna coast on "well we need to policy kill da princess now..."

LOLSCUM

TOWN:
Raivann
Snow White
Sociopath
Vezok
Hrez

MAYBE
Exilon
DTMaster
Seth

SCUMZ
Blood
HackerHyuck

Your list isn't too bad. Raivann and I need to switch places. I'd also move Snow white and Sociopath to a maybe and probably push Exilon up there into the scum group. I don't know why you have so many towns already. Hrez and Vezok are the only two I feel any good about.

I have to keep reminding people that you need to die, because they don't seem to get it yet.

[HackerHuck]

I'm not buying it because we've already had a vig claim and the SK is confirmed. I could see one group missing their NK, but I don't see how the mafia and the SK could both end up empty last night.

That said, I still think Fate's the best option today. If BC really is the vig, he won't survive another day and we can just lynch him if he's around tomorrow. If you're not up for the Fate lynch, then we need to hang BC.

[HackerHuck]

He's 1:1 so far. That's good enough to put Fate off for another day.

Vote: Snow White

[HackerHuck]

I followed Snow White and got no result.

That's kind of important to put out there. Why did you act like you had a result?

Doesn't matter, my Cop result shows that she is scum.

You're not quite as trustworthy as Raivann's tracking, but a lack of result just means that she didn't perform the kill. It would be a good test of your sanity (unless random), but I want to think about this one some more.

Unvote: Snow White

[HackerHuck]

Um, me too.
I still like the Seraphim wagon.

Vote: Seraphim

Red indicates mafia, so that pretty much confirms our cop is insane (or whatever you call the opposite results). A guilty today would prove that he's not naive and narrow our choices for scum.

Fate's lynch is no longer necessary, because we deserve to lose if we can't get scum before endgame.


Seth - can you confirm that you had a PR yesterday?

[HackerHuck]

WHY AM I BEING VOTED WTF

Exilon stuff, obviously. Look at the vote he laid on Chronopie. Starts off by calling it a 'pressure' vote, then later attacks him for not answering his questions - which were whether he thought Sociopath was scum and why. That wagon was a little crazy and he was pushing it for no real reason.

I don't think we need to get Raivann's result unless he tracked someone who visited DTMaster. I think the scum must be playing with us a bit because I can't fathom 4 scum + SK and only a one-shot vig to balance out the town (even with 'bastardly' type roles.) I just don't get why someone would RB DTMaster, when a kill would keep his result silent and knock out a townie. I'm considering DTMaster confirmed at this point since I also doubt he'd flush out scum #2 so early when it's going to look really suspicious if he survives much longer.

Seth - were you post restricted at all yesterday?

[HackerHuck]

I want to hear Raivann's result, regardless of what HackerHuck might say.

More scum points. If there was a doc protect last night, then you could end up outing the doc.

[HackerHuck]

My point exactly. There are power roles out the Wazzu, so his results are going to be useless to us unless he tracked the person who roleblocked DTMaster. That's one person I would assume is scum. I don't see how any other result is going to help us since we don't know who or if the scum tried to kill last night.

Besides, you're not a random person and I don't considering waiting on Raivann's result to be scumhunting.

[HackerHuck]

Don't bother with the claim yet, I need to figure something out.

Unvote:Seraphim

Fate- I wish I knew what you were talking about on the last page.

[HackerHuck]

I'm going to be honest: you running random people up for no good reason is a lot more likely to out the doc than us making full use of our power roles.

This is why I unvoted, but a doctor softclaim like that is a good way to get a real doctor to show his face.

We need you to claim what happened N1 and I don't think it's necessary to reveal your future abilities yet.

There is a problem with directing actions when there is a mafia RB. I'm afraid we may just end up playing into their hands.

Saw the claim request and I'll wait for my full claim. I'll just say now that I know Seth is town and that he likes me.

[HackerHuck]

Hacker, with a Mafia RBer and 2 investigation roles, he has to block one of the investigation roles. The other one will still gain a result still that is accurate. (because he clearly said S_B did nothing, which reminds me..)

Unless we kill scum today, we're still trying to outguess the scum on which one to protect.

[HackerHuck]

I followed Snow White and got no result.

That's different than Snow White not doing anything.

Wait a minute though. Seraphim claims that he doc protected DTMaster, not Raivann, right? Scum wouldn't RB the same person they try to kill. That seems like a nice cover in case he was tracked.

[HackerHuck]

Also, do you dispute that you targeted seth on N1?

Saw the claim request and I'll wait for my full claim. I'll just say now that I know Seth is town and that he likes me.

Scum wouldn't RB the same person they try to kill.

Unless they foresaw the doctor protect on the CONFIRMED CLAIMED INSANE COP which is just about as good as a sane cop at this point.

If you turn around the wording on my quote, it might make more sense to you. Scum wouldn't kill the same person they're trying to roleblock.

[HackerHuck]

New scum list:

seth
vezo


As anyone talking is town, those 2 are too baffled to contribute to the conversation.

I think you're wrong on both counts.

If you're paying attention my current theory is that Snow white got a watcher result INCLUDING Hacker, aka Hacker is town PR, regardless of his shitty "lynch fate nao. k not today, ok mayb etoday! LYNCH F-oh ok not today. Aw screw it."

TUNNEL VISION FTW.

Yet again, I don't understand what you're trying to say. What makes you think that Snow White was watching me?

[HackerHuck]

If you're paying attention my current theory is that Snow white got a watcher result INCLUDING Hacker, aka Hacker is town PR, regardless of his shitty "lynch fate nao. k not today, ok mayb etoday! LYNCH F-oh ok not today. Aw screw it."

TUNNEL VISION FTW.

Yet again, I don't understand what you're trying to say. What makes you think that Snow White was watching me?[/quote]
Nevermind. I get it now. That's how the RB scum Seraphim would know who I visited N1. There's your answer Sociopath. Why do you think Seraphim's not scum?

[HackerHuck]

I'm a hider. I go to peoples' houses and spend all night there trying to convince them that I'm the greatest. Scum are immune to my charm and they end up killing me. I also die if scum targets the person I visit.

I visited Seth night 1, Vezok night 2, and Sociopath last night.

[HackerHuck]

My understanding is that I share the fate of the person I visit.

I'm going to be on limited access for a week beginning tomorrow.

[HackerHuck]

ALSO BEFORE I GET LYNCHED PERIOD, I WANT TO HEAR HOW I KNEW HH TARGETED SETH N1 KTHXBAI

Snow White told you that she saw me visiting Seth. She wasn't lynched until D3.

Oh right. Hide = untargetable. seraphim shouldn't have a track result on Hacker.

Why do you think a hider is untrackable? I obviously visited someone and my PM doesn't say that I'm investigation immune.

[HackerHuck]

Well, my flavour isn't that I 'hide' behind anyone.

I'm worried that people don't like me so I spend all night with my targets to convince them of my awesomeness. My conversations are so intense that I suffer the same fate as the person I visit and I just annoy the scum so they kill me.

[HackerHuck]

The person I visit doesn't know that I visit them. I'm not sure how that fits in with the flavour, but I don't know of any non-mason type roles that are known by their targets.

I targeted you N2 because I thought that you were probably town based on your ability and because I figured that Raivann was a more likely scum target that night.

[HackerHuck]

Why is Raivann more likely scum?

[HackerHuck]

Seriously guys? Four pages in one day. I'm on vacation, so I don't have a lot of time to unravel all of that nonsense. Someone needs to convince me why Raivann is scum, otherwise I'm going to hammer Seraphim when I log on next.

It would be nice to get an official vote count too. I'm just assuming that I can hammer him when I vote.

[HackerHuck]

Apparently Sociopath can't put together a coherent argument for why Raivann is scum.

Vote Seraphim

I only wish it were the hammer.

[HackerHuck]

Apparently not...
But that's not surprising considering the bomb claim.

I got a rather unfulfilling response back from our esteemed mod, which says that I got all the information I need in my role PM.

[HackerHuck]

THEN RE-READ YOUR GOD DAMN ROLE PM

I did. I took his message to mean that he's not going to tell me whether I can be targeted.

[HackerHuck]

You got no result. In a game where EVERYONE IS A POWER ROLE, including scum. And you didn't think that might clear her in some way? In other words, your "scumdar" overrode the results you got?

Now this I can get behind. Looking back, it wasn't Raivann who first came up with the idea of a scum RB. It was DTMaster who thought of it.

Seth - what was the deal with the quadruple vote?

[HackerHuck]

Unvote:
Vote: Raivann

[HackerHuck]

I got that Hacker was Innocent. Therefore I'm either Naive or my cop powers are awesome.

Vote Hacker

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I'm guessing naive. I visited you last night.

[HackerHuck]

No one has claimed doc, right?

I'm not sure how to explain no kills last night given all of the claims we had. Maybe the mafia is trying to frame Seraphim by RBing him and not sending in a kill. Two kills would certainly confirm him. The simpler answer that he's lying scum is also problematic because DTMaster wasn't roleblocked.

I've asked the mod what happens if I get roleblocked. I think he should be able to answer that.

We need a definite claim if there is a town redirector. That would definitely skew my results and DTMaster's.

[HackerHuck]

That might work if I were scum, but you're right that we're not in a bad situation based on your new claim. It's possible that Fate and Seraphim are a scumteam, but I don't see a two-man scumteam not roleblocking DTMaster. It's too much of a gamble that he's naive.

I obviously disagree with this wagon. I see Seraphim as the best bet now.

Vote: Seraphim

[HackerHuck]

Fate+Seraphim scumteam?

So we just nokilled last night with a claimed cop out there?

LOL U

LOL.

I discounted that possibility due to the lack of a RB on DTMaster. Try reading what I said.

Rai flipped town, and claimed he has no result, we can assume that there is a scum role blocker, or S_W literally did nothing o-o.

It is a remote possibility, considering Snow White never showed up on the following day.

[HackerHuck]

Oh hai.

I'm willing to lynch whomever today.

Looks like its Hyuck.

What is amusing is that over the weekend I was joking around with BP = bulletproof/beloved princess from a "BP" marked mafia card.

Vote: HackerHack

I thought that was funny too. When my final kill on Fate didn't go through, that conversation made me realise that he was bulletproof not beloved.

I was originally glad that no one wanted lynch Fate, because I wanted to take advantage of his beloved princess ability after we had some roleclaims out in the open. I was acting how I would as town and it ended up making me a target.


Props to the town. You guys were pretty close to gunning us down in succession.

It was interesting to play with all power roles. It certainly makes fake-claiming for scum much harder because there aren't many options available. It didn't really matter, but I really handcuffed myself with my claim. When my last kill didn't go through, there was no way I could survive to endgame with the number of people that I could still visit.

I'd assume that Dram's kill wouldn't have worked had Socio used his mass roleblock on N1, but I am curious as to whether Dram could have killed himself if the person he modified was targeting him.



These three things were (IMO) the biggest contributors to the town win.

Fate's early claim and somehow everyone believing him - although I still don't understand why no one was willing to lynch the miller
Raivann tracking BloodCovenant on N1
Scum killing the SK on N1 - without the extra NKs, we couldn't afford to lose two mafia so quickly
Honourable mention to DTMaster for his good nose in targeting the right people, but I don't think his results would have been that useful without Fate's claim and Raivann 's tracking.