Mini 1037 - Madmen Mafia (Over)

[Katsuki]

/confirm

[Katsuki]

DrShotty = jester in every game.

[Katsuki]

I forgot.

HAI CHRONO!

[Katsuki]

Wagon time!

Vote Snow White

But that @.@ post reeks of jester motives...

Unvote

GOD I HATE THIS GAME ALREADY!

[Katsuki]

That's what I'd like to know. I remember game description talking about jester team.

Vote: Snow White

Vote first, unvote if no jester-win-game-over.

[Katsuki]

Hence voting for scummy people. I'm not gonna waste my time worrying about whether they're jester or not. Scummy = death.

This. However, discerning various degrees of scumminess will be key in this game imo. There is scum scum, and then there is anti-town jester scum.

[Katsuki]

Hence voting for scummy people. I'm not gonna waste my time worrying about whether they're jester or not. Scummy = death.

This. However, discerning various degrees of scumminess will be key in this game imo. There is scum scum, and then there is anti-town jester scum.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with Scorp there?

Agreeing for the most part. Wannabe L there shows how distracting thinking whether something is "scum-play" or "jester-play". Scummy play is scummy play.

My point though is that there are varying levels of it if it makes any sense. Its kinda like the difference between VI and obvscum. Its not that "OH HEY I SEE SCUMMINESS! /BANDWAGON FIRST SCUM POST" thing.


Ok it's late and I have no idea how much sense I'm making. Someone ask if confused. @.@

[Katsuki]

EBWOP: Wannabe L = nopoint (name too long and I forgot it)

[Katsuki]

I think people thought I was joking about the shotty policy lynch. I wasn't.

At least wait until he gets back. If he plays like he usually does then I'll be the first to vote for him.

[Katsuki]

Well, I mean, if you look at his iso, he really isn't quite his usual jester self now right?

[Katsuki]

I've actually seen empking scumhunt before. I never knew shotty was capable of such a thing though.

[Katsuki]

Mod, you ever counted my original vote. No matter.

Unvote, Vote nopointinatingup

I am all for bandwagons.

[Katsuki]

Scum who thinks he's witty and acts jester.

[Katsuki]

Also will note, if he isn't scum, then this train is probably full of opportunistic scum.

[Katsuki]

Then why don't we just assume everyone who is acting like a jester is scum and lynch them? Is there a problem with this?

This. Would prevent scum from acting like jesters.

[Katsuki]

I think I'm gonna regret playing in a multi-jester game with BOTH shotty and gandalf...

[Katsuki]

Nopoing might be scum fearing his gambit to act like a jester didn't work.

Nah. Nopoint is probably town.

That's quite the 180. Any explanations you'd like to provide? Or are you scum-buddy trying to cover up for nopoint's fail jester attempt?

[Katsuki]

Yes, but you don't want everyone to know you're a jester. Jesters don't try to look like jesters >.>

That depends completely on what kind of people we're trying to lynch. If we want to lynch people who look scummy, they want to look scummy. If we want to lynch people who lurk, they'll want to lurk. So on so forth. I'm actually wondering if no lynch might be a good idea right now...

vote: No lynch

Hopefully we have vigs or some sort of power role to help us kill scum/jesters.

More votes on XScorpion, please.

At best he is jester. So no, we're not going there.

@Nopoint: I've never played with you before, so you don't get to be included with shotty and gandalf

Your defence for stef post is rather convenient though. You're still scum.

[Katsuki]

Why No Lynch? if you are so sure I'm scum

I'm not feeling that confident, and I'm still waiting for someone to explain why we shouldn't just nolynch and let the vigs(if we have any) and scum pick off the jesters.

Why would scum not shoot town and leave jesters instead?

[Katsuki]

A rightly motivated scum would never have gone so far as I did =).

SO WHEN WILL THIS WIFOM STOP?

[Katsuki]

YOU DO NOT AMUSE.

[Katsuki]

Would be nice if ppl stop voting until we're given a votecount...

[Katsuki]

Well no point in no-lynching NOW is there?

In a few days, maybe.

Also, I do not agree with xscorp lynch today. I'd much rather nopoint since he's been the scummiest by far.

[Katsuki]

i think either you or myst man

^I agree with this.

I also agree with order of candidates.

[Katsuki]

Oh wait, stef never responded to my earlier post. Cross mysterio off and write in stef.

[Katsuki]

@Shotty: No cuz he's not my suspect.

Scum can have suspects?

[Katsuki]

Personally, the only advantage I see to no-lynch would be if we had no clear

scum

candidate. In this case, we have nopoint. He's done nothing to change my view thus far, and this would also eliminate a vig/cop candidate at night, giving them a better chance of hitting scum/jester.

[Katsuki]

Fine.

unvote
vote: nopoint

If he's jester we ARE no lynching tomorrow.

I agree with that.

[Katsuki]

I think he is at L2. Gandalf unvoted no?

[Katsuki]

This game is giving me a headache. I'd really rather not lynch Nopoint. He screams jester to me.

XScorpion has made some insane arguments that he's finally given up on, but it reads to me as scum trying to avoid town lynches by arguing that it will somehow make us win. That's just pure scum BS.

We have a jester team. We do not lose from lynching 1 jester. I do not see why we are fearing D1 lynch. Furthermore, nopoint does not scream jester to me at all.

I would be all for D2 no-lynch depending on nopoint flip.

At first I thought xscorp was jester trying to make ridiculous no-lynch argument, but I am starting to be able to see where he is coming from. I still do not support it today, but xscorp is probably town.

[Katsuki]

Furthermore, I'd rather go into night with some information, rather than none. Wagon flips are VERY useful, and instead of say wasting a cop/vig on nopoint, I'd rather lynch, and depending on flip, give our cop/vig direction as to what they should do come night.

[Katsuki]

Vig shoot: gandalf or snow white (honestly, ridic comment to open the game and then lurk more?)
Cop: Stef or Mysterio

[Katsuki]

Did you not read game description?...

When I saw this game in game queue, it explicitly stated jester team...

[Katsuki]

Oh, that is my bad. I mis-interpreted "multiple jesters" and "few madmen" as jester team.

[Katsuki]

Self-hammer?...

...

...

Reads on pieman?

[Katsuki]

Well this sure is interesting... No NKs...

Hopefully cop got info (though I do not expect them to share now).

Vote: No lynch

[Katsuki]

Well, if we have a vig, don't you find it interesting that there were no NKs?

I will look at the nopoint wagon later.

Question: Do you think any jesters would have voted nopoint, and why?

[Katsuki]

Mod: You left out snow_white's vote. I have no idea where snow_white's vote lies.

As far as I recall, Snow White hasn't cast a vote yet.

I will post my thoughts shortly. Meanwhile, if you guys could all answer my question it would be nice (it was meant to be directed at everyone). Also, my question is not a matter of worrying about jesters.

[Katsuki]

Why wouldn't they?

?

[Katsuki]

Is not a jester's role to get self lynched? My thoughts is that they would not vote NP in order to find some way to get votes on themselves, hence I suppose nopoints hammering.

I have no document processing programs on this comp (word, etc.) so my thoughts will come in a lil while, but my own reasoning as to why jesters did not vote nopoint will be a key part to my analysis to come.

[Katsuki]

That was one fast quick-lynch. I shall stand by and whistle as snow_bunny takes her time getting here.

Agree with screl analysis.

[Katsuki]

Why does that post sound like WIFOM to me?...
That said, looking at screl, he was VERY hesitant about Percy lynch. First accuses shotty of jester and then doesn't even bother voting Percy DESPITE A GUILTY FROM cop. Also was quite enthusiastic about nopoint lynch.

Vote: Screl

Also, I thought there were suppose to be jesters in this game, yet none have died.

P-edit: I am glad that I am not the only one who thinks that in regards to the WIFOM. However, mysterio, take a look at screl please.

[Katsuki]

Unvote

for safety reasons.

I do support screl lynch at this point though.

[Katsuki]

Ok, I am slightly confused. Mysterio, can you clarify everything you said after the WIFOM stuff?

@XScorp: I do agree with mysterio's view in regards with the WIFOM post you made... I just am not seeing much else. I wouldn't disregard everything he says to tunneling...

[Katsuki]

EBWOP: *By confused, I mean mysterio's bent on xscorp being scum.

P-EDIT: Point taken. I do not agree with your read on screl at all. Ask yourself, did percy play like a jester?

[Katsuki]

Deadline is on October

2th

.

Quoted for lols

Last time someone mocked the mod, it didn't end well... ¬_¬ Ok, it was my mistake. English is not my native tongue, and thus I make silly mistakes from time to time.

[Katsuki]

.?

You have NOTHING else to say?

[Katsuki]

Vote: Screl

Now, would you have anything to say why you did not vote him D3 after the way percy reacted to guilty D2 AND shotty cop flip?

[Katsuki]

Screl and xscorp both at L2.

I had thought of a psychiatrist as doc... but psychiatrists cure, usually with SK's, right? If the function of psychiatrists were altered for this format, say, to cure jesters, then maybe that would explain why with 5 dead we have yet to see a jester.

I think that is quite likely. What do you guys think about that?

[Katsuki]

@scorp, just because locke died does not mean screl is the bad guy, it shows probability but its still questionable.

Locke dying is just the nail in the coffin. People were already suspecting screl yesterday considering his attack on shotty, which I do agree is scummy.

The "locke dying hence screl scum" argument is WIFOM though, isn't it?

[Katsuki]

I suppose.

Where is stef?

[Katsuki]

I see a lot of sheeping between Katsuki and Scorpion.

PieMan, Stef and Chrono need to make themselves useful.

So agreeing with certain points a person makes = sheeping? Ok...

Would that not what partly what screl did with pieman D3 sheeping too?

@Mysterio: What makes percy voting xscorp more likely to be bussing than not? I still do not understand why scum percy voting xscorp makes him more likely scum than town. To me it seems like a coinflip no?

[Katsuki]

Stef has also posted only ONCE per day starting D2. Can we say lurk more?

Funny how he shows up only when I ask for him...

[Katsuki]

So, um, you guys still alive?

Seriously wtf is this with the activity level.

[Katsuki]

TBH, I would be perfectly fine with Stef lynch. 3 days of no content (1 post each of nothing) is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

[Katsuki]

Or we consider this: You are scum providing nothing and coasting to end-game.

[Katsuki]

Yeah, when I call for you, you pop in and say nothing.

Now when I say lynch you, we finally have a response.

Coincidence? I don't believe in that. It is all too convenient.

You have yet to provide ANY reads on ANYONE for 3 days now, and when finally pressured, a OMGUS vote. Granted 2 of those days were cut short, but this day has been here long enough for you to have at least given some imput, but no, you haven't. You are sitting back and just watching.

Come to think of it, you never responded to my post about you in D1 either.

[Katsuki]

It is late. If any wording mistakes point them out.

[Katsuki]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

YOU IGNORE MY POSTS AND STILL CONTINUE TO FAIL TO PROVIDE EVEN AN OUNCE OF REASONING.

Seriously.

MYSTERIO, COMMENTS ON STEF PLEASE.

I agree with pieman's comment in that it is unlikely that lurkers would be jesters. If we have anymore remaining jesters (We do not know the results of the psychiatrist), we can assume that they have some condition that prevents them from going "HAI, LYNCHMEPLZ". But they most certainly would not be sitting back saying nothing. Unless you're talking about stef. But he seems more scum than jester.

[Katsuki]

How was my statement about lynching stef a policy vote? You're saying someone who has said nothing and lurked heavily isn't scummy?

[Katsuki]

Oh, really?

So if I say, sat here for the next few days and said nothing you guys would think nothing of it? Mostly all of you guys are lurking. Stef is doing it along with saying nothing. That goes into the catagory of scummy in my books.

Not to mention, I had issues with his D1 to begin with, which he still has yet to address. It is now D4.

[Katsuki]

I have played with town stef before. He did not play like this at all. Quite the opposite.

[Katsuki]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14054

This is a huge reason why I see stef's actions this game as scummy, more so than lazy-town. Lets just say today. The OMGUS vote and blatant ignoring of my questions does not indicate lazy-town nor town incentives.

[Katsuki]

Oh, lets say, that one post of his in that game often consisted of more words than he has posted this entire game?

Just iso stef in that game and you can see how he plays when he is obv-town.

[Katsuki]

So a replacement request is what 2 1/2 days yields us?...

In all honesty, I had forgotten about this game. Not happy to see that you guys all did too. Well, maybe some didn't.

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote Stef

Obvious why (compare his town play to this, plus continuous noise-making (yet to explain why i am scum)).

[Katsuki]

THERE BETTER BE A LYNCH BY THE TIME I WAKE UP.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE STUPID COPS BREAKING UP STUFF.

[Katsuki]

Oho, you're definately not in the clear here chrono.

Will look over this after class.

[Katsuki]

*Accidentally hit enter.

Interesting jester mechanic...

[Katsuki]

I am VT.

[Katsuki]

Vote: CSL

I think we win.

[Katsuki]

I'm sure.

[Katsuki]

The "we" was referring to us, chrono...

Unless...

...

[Katsuki]

Quite frankly, I still think we nailed the scum.

[Katsuki]

Wait.

What?

MWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Chronopie, Vanilla Townie, was turned into a Vanilla Cupcake D5
CSL, Vanilla Townie, was turned into a Vanilla Cupcake D5

[Katsuki]

:3

P-Edit: I think so.

[Katsuki]

I'm not sure. My scumdar is going haywire.

:/


p-edit: CSL, shush. THE JIG IS UP.

[Katsuki]

I'd like to think it was the second.

Unless chrono is the mastermind here.

[Katsuki]

...

You've made lylo with SK. I think that counts.

p-edit: CSL is still scummy, even after lynch.

[Katsuki]

I am not buying it.

= =

[Katsuki]

Fine.

But what if you are scum here?

[Katsuki]

Yay

Now that the game is over, the jesters are bulletproof, right?

and town had both cop and I'm guessing a doc? Good balance, never am able to quite guess snow_bunny games...

[Katsuki]

TBH, most of scumchat consists of me talking with snow_bunny haha. Or to myself = =

[Katsuki]

Chrono, you didn't enjoy getting turned into a cupcake?

xscorp was obvtown, but the rest of town was pretty bad. I tried to paint the NKs such that xscorp would look as scummy as possible come lylo though.

Evidently that helped with chrono ^^


What I'm amazed with is, even though shotty got mod-killed with cop, he did what his role was suppose to do... and didn't hurt town with a "katsuki innocent".