Mini 1018ÔÇôÔÇôDNA Evidence (Game Over)

[pacman281292]

Hello everyone!

1. How would you define your playstyle? bleh.
2. Do you plan to play differently this game than in your other games, or will you be sticking to your meta? I don't often care about this.
3. Do you know your win/loss record here on MS? What is it? IDK, but I don't win much
4. Can you link us to any of your past games? No, because all of them got moved I-don't-know-where (I've not played here for one whole year)
5. What is your opinion on lurking? I don't like it, but I don't often go LynchAllLurkers.
6. How active will you be this game? One or twice per day on weekdays, maybe more on weekends but depend on how busy I am.
7. Are you scum? If so, who are your scumbuddies? Hahahah, so funny...
8. Which people here do you know and/or have played with before? I think I've played zwet, but I'm not sure. No one else.
9. How large will your posts normally be? Depends on circumstances; I try to avoid text walls, but they follow me...
10. What do you think players should do when a thread is open for pre-game chat? Spam it! (jk)

[pacman281292]

You can't force him to.

You seem waay too insistent. Fishy to me.

[pacman281292]

lol @ the racoons...
@MOD: when do we start? (I'm getting bored. . . )

[pacman281292]

dang, internet played me a really bad prank x.x

Vote: don_johnson

for pointing this out

[pacman281292]

unvote, vote: Prox

because I messed up. Prox was the one who pointed out my mistake.
Still don't know what to say about the RC. If it's true... well, I really hope there's a doc around there...

[pacman281292]

@DB: I got severely ninja'd.
OMG, this seems so messed up... Are we on RVS still? or not? And if not, reasons to the latest votes?

[pacman281292]

Sorry for my jerk posts; I was completely lost (I got ninja'd when the game started, then I was clueless about what was going on).
Now, back to the game:
Prox: I do think you are being waay too overeager. I'll

unvote

because RVS is over.
I'll reread, and post something more meaningful later (maybe tomorrow).

[pacman281292]

@zwet: I don't think outing the other cop micht actually be helpful (he would be the scum's next target, and the scum might try to kill the other part of the cop).
BUT, if he doesn't claim, and you die, there would be open window for scum falseclaims...
Humm... WIFOM...

I also agree with Doom's 138. If we have powers, we better hold them until when revealing them might be useful *cough*

[pacman281292]

I'm only trying to reason what we should do in this situation. If zwet announces his scan target, then at least the other guy will know the deal. That way, if zwet is killed, his scan doesn't beome worthless. If the other guy claims, we'll have 3 confirmed townies or 2 and a found scum. If we do nothing, there is little benefit unless one of the three is brought to L-1 today..

This is either VI town play or a scum slip. Having zwet's partner claim gives us absolutely no benefit, given the fact that it could simply be two scum fake claiming. The

real

cop or half-cops would be an idiot(s) to counter-claim this early. If zwet's claim is genuine, then having his partner claim would simply give the Mafia two easy targets. A doc or some other protective role would have to choose one and hope the other doesn't get NK'd. So, like I said, either VI town play or scum slip. At this point any further speculation would just be WIFOM, but I'm leaving my vote on you in the interim.

I agree with this.
I also agree with the mod; we're moving waay too slow, altough it's still early. C'mon!

[pacman281292]

I also agree with the mod; we're moving waay too slow, altough it's still early. C'mon!

Ironic considering all you've done was barely any pregame chatter, lying about being ninja'd (which you still haven't explained. I have never heard of a 6 hour long ninjaing). And then just agreeing with and echoing other people. Way to go

My internet wasn't working well that day, and I had my head in other game. OK?
And, I don't know what to say about everything else. Prox seems like acting overeagerly, but I don't know what to say. zwet's claim did confuse me.
@Prox: I unvoted because RVS was over, and because I didn't feel you enough scummy to hold the vote on.
I'll post something more meaningful tomorrow. Must go to the bed right now.

[pacman281292]

@bunny: Dang, I seem to put this game as my last priority (out of 3 games)... Thanks for the indirect mention though...
I haven't payed much attention to Korashk's posts, so I'm not sure about him. Prox is being somewhat eager. AND, if you mean that I should vote from one of them: I won't, until when I'm convinced the person I'm voting for is scum.
@Everyone: Not the time to speedlynch yet! We're only on page 8; chill.
@Mysterio: You're dead wrong. That post not only doesn't contribute, but also calls for an unreasonable lynch. Scummy. FoS: Mysterio.
@shotty: No lynch?? Why?

[pacman281292]

WTH other claim?!
*&%$#*$&^%$...
Well, IMHO there is someone lying around there. It's very unlikely that there would be 2 or 3 cops around there.
That would be disbalanced in favor of town, unless scum has some strong power, but that might also mean the powerful scum is covering him/herself with that claim.
That's just my opinion.

[pacman281292]

WT

#

The "as mod is busy I'll post an" unofficial votecount:
drmyshottyizsik (5) Prox, Katsuki, Hrezs, Korashk, Mysterio
Prox (4) shotty, LynchMePls, zwet, don_johnson
Not voting: pacman, Doombunny, iiiq

@MOD: iiiiiiiiiiiiiiq seriously needs a prod...

Totally to date.
Well, I think that shotty's claim is scummy, and he might be trying to fish some info (like *cough*who did zwet investigate*cough*cough*). Mysterio is very scummy to me, due to his overeagerness to lynch someone ASAP, and also due to him not posting any content during the game.
About prox; he has acted scummy along the game, and he has posted a very massive number of posts without much content. I'd give both them a FoS, but I don't think they both are scum together (maybe only one of them, unless they're bussing to an incredible extreme)
@the one who said "DNA decoders don't exist": Well, this is not real life; this is a MS game, so flavor is mostly fictional.

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EBWOP: I'd give both them a FoS, as on shotty+prox.

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@Katsuki: Yeah, you seem to be right. shotty's claim is getting less believable (even taking into account that it's just unreal flavor).
@Prox: Might you please stop spamming us with "Sigh"s? Please post something meaningful.
Curiously this keeps me still undecided on whether Prox or shotty should be my vote.
Doombunny's idea seems good, but if zwet lies (just in case), we would just have wasted two power roles, two NK-townies (or more if there are more killers, like a SK), and would only have two results (shotty's and zwet being scum). And that would be REALLY REALLY bad for us .
And @Mysterio: 1) stop posting fluff and 2) explain how does your #257 might work.

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@Mysterio: 1) What you've posted have been mostly single phrases, where you atack someone else with almost no reason, and you don't even state why do you do it.
2) I don't get what you said on 257. Please explain the reason to that.
@Prox: What you proved is that shotty has been acting like a VI, altough there are some points where you are right. However, I won't vote; things are waay too hot, and I don't want anyone to speedlynch.
@shotty: Why the hell would a Katsuki lynch give us info? Explain.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: It seems like my #1 on Mysterio has redundance. Scrap "and you don't even state why do you do it".

[pacman281292]

@Prox: Err... more roleclaims?
@Mysterio: About #1: The posts you referred to were posts ISO #6 and ISO #3. Your last 4 posts (before this one) were actually you saying nothing and attacking without reasons.
And I think I get #2, but still I think it's a very long shot at it.
What I mean is, please try to be more contributive and not post just one-liners without even elaborating what you say.
I'd like shotty to answer why does a Katsuki lynch give us info. That vote was scummy, and will be unless he explains himself.

[pacman281292]

@shotty... might mind to answer my #278 please? please?
@Korashk: pay more attention to what's going on...
@Zajnet: Welcome to the game!

[pacman281292]

Well first off we will know one person who is or isnt scum. Also we can get cop info

[sarcasm]OMG how useful.[/sarcasm]

Strong FoS: drmyshottyizsik

I thought you had an actual reason to say that lynching Katsuki might go somewhere. Maybe reaching some correlations, or that you actually thought Katsuki was scum. But this is the same reason we might have to lynch any random person out there. This post makes your vote look like OMGUS. Extremely scummy.
I won't vote yet, because if shotty winds up being the half-cop, we would lose much more than what we could gain. However, I'm really tempted to.

[pacman281292]

1. LynchMePls somehow knows Shotty is town for various reasons.

2. Both Shotty and LynchMePls are scum buddies.

I can't say for sure either way, which is why I said it was only "telling" (as in suspicious). There could be other reasons as well, but it is something to note if Shotty or LynchMePls end up flipping scum.

False dilemma FTW, Mysterio.

HoS: Mysterio.

Your very last post is nothing either. You just have repeated what I was thinking while deciding whether or not to vote shotty. Duh.
Preview edit: Well, shotty's now at L-1.

[pacman281292]

It's not an OMGUS, it's the fact that you are pushing for a hammer on a cop

(her and everyone else voting for you).

And you're not a cop, remember? You haven't done anything to address the reasons we think you are NOT cop. Therefore, you have no excuse.

This.
@Zajnet: Because zwet is the cop's "other half". zwet "collects" the info, the other half a cop seems to "process" it.
Do you know what? this was enough. shotty isn't even trying to play.
Even if he winds up being the cop, we would get a crapload of info (first, Prox would be at least neutral, unless, for reasons of destiny, shotty was blocked). I would also put an eye, or two (even three, if I could) on Mysterio. If he is scum... well, we lynched scum! yay!
Having said this, I'm dropping the hammer.

Vote: drmyshottyizsik.

[pacman281292]

Today should actually be easy. There were a small number of wagon detractors and one player who hammered an uncounterclaimed power role. Shouldn't be difficult at all.

Well he

was

obviously lying. You think there shouldn't have been a hammer?

Yeah, I think the guy who hammered *cough* thought exactly this, aside from him (shotty) acting really scummy on late D1.
Thinking on what info do we get here. Bad that we lost our other half cop, though...

[pacman281292]

^^This looks like you are trying really hard to turn the conversation away from yourself, and my suggestion of a mass-claim gave you just want you wanted. Also the FOS is weak, since you aren't using your vote. Add that to everything from yesterday and today really is going to be pretty easy.

Vote: Prox

???

You proposed a mass claim! Are you serious?

vote LynchMePls

Yep, this game seems as easy as don_johnson said, but for different reasons.
This post really sucks. Tries to overdimensionate LMP's proposal to massclaim (somewhat weak, but already ruled out for now IMO) in order to just launch a random attack (further worsened by OMGUS).
I agree with what bunny answered to Korashk. Only 4 currently living people weren't on shotty's wagon (the 3 on Prox's wagon and Zajnet), and scum might have just wanted to throw shotty under the bus to uncover themselves.
Prox's defenses just this early on D2 have been terrible, and scummy. Will wait for other people to punch in before acting, but it most likely deserves a vote.

[pacman281292]

Oh no! The mafias are coming back from the dead!
Well, now we have something. don was a mason. However, he was so unusually inactive that we can't actually get anything from there.
Doombunny, Katsuki and LynchMePls seem town for me. I'm not sure about Zajnet (he has done hardly anything on this game). zwet is obvtown (going uncounterclaimed, and with the cop's other half already out, it's very unlikely that he would be scum)
What is left is Mysterio and Korashk. Mysterio's day 1 was very weak, and the day 2 only lasted 24 hours. He might have just bussed Prox in order to hide himself there.
Korashk's arguments day 1 were very weird, and not the most helpful. Some of then, had we heeded them, might have just lead us into a trap, but they might have been stated by a confused townie as mugh as for a trapping scum. My read on him/her is null.

Vote: Mysterio.

Lynch this scumbag and go home.

[pacman281292]

How funny...

Very weak, pacman. I believe we went through this on Day 1.

Sorry Mysterio, the reason I left you back was because of shotty. I still had my eye on you, as you failed to note.
And I still have my eye on you, as I said.

Not to mention I was pushing for Shotty's lynch since his laughable claim, and then argued for Prox's lynch based on Hrezs posts. So, your post is only half the story if it were true. I would have had to not only toss Prox under the bus, but Shotty as well. By what possible scum tactic could I win by pushing for two of my partners to be lynched?

Dead wrong. Prox's overall game was extremely poor (hadn't it been so, D2 would have lasted more than 24 hours), so you could still bus both scum in order to make yourself appear more townish.
This part is mere WIFOM, and I'm not taking the cup.

Furthermore, you seem to be conveniently piggy-backing off one of my accusations of Prox. I mentioned that Prox could have simply thrown Shotty under the bus due to him being pressured heavily early in the game. Now, you're trying to accuse me of the same thing.

Nope, I didn't piggyback. Bussing is part of the basics of mafia. You can't just buy that argument and accuse anyone who uses it too of piggy-backing.

Looking back at your posts, you've been tunneling me for quite sometime. Starting in post #189, and even when Shotty and Prox were top suspects for most everyone else, you continued to mention me in almost every post you made. Tunneling is certainly a weak tell, but it's interesting to note now that you've gone ahead and voted for me.

FoS: pacman

Great. Now tunneling. You mean it because no one but me was attacking you at that stage of the game?
So, I would have been less scummy had I not attacked you so much and just started attacking shotty and Prox. Well, I did it. But I still had my eye on you. And that's not tunneling.

I exposed my case on you during day 1, day 2 was just "speedlynch Prox FTW", which, believe me or not, was very bad for the town, because we lost discussion. That's why I didn't hammer when I had the chance.

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EBWOP: Checking LMP's ISO, I realize your case has lots of mistakes, and is very poor. I won't make LMP's homework, but this gives me further reason to vote you.

[pacman281292]

1) What do you want me to do then? Want me to say "oh yes Mysterio has done scummy stuff but he should be town"?
No. I won't, because that's not what I do feel. You're using the word "tunneling" without knowing what are you saying.
2) I didn't vote for prox because I WANTED TO HAVE AT LEAST A BIT MORE OF F***ING DISCUSSION before lynching. The speedlynch was scummy; we could just have held it up for a bit, hear everyone's reactions (as well as some more stuff from Prox himself), then yeah hammer prox and day over.
What I meant was, you said you weren't scum because no one would bus his two scumbuddies. If, after bussing one, the other's game is poor, then the scum (you, in this case) would have been forced to bus again. What I was saying is, your argument for you not being scum is invalidated.
3) Therefore, you don't know what piggybacking is. Sorry.
Keep misinterpretating what I meant for "you might have bussed Prox".
4) Lulz. So I should not post that I consider you scum as well as the obvscum.
That's what I understand from there. If I'm wrong, what the hell are you saying?
5) Basically you accuse me of scumbuddying in a mini game with 2 dead scum. Unless mini games have 4 mafia, this is plain useless.
I have arguments for saying that your case on LMP is very weak, and saddled with holes. That was supposed to be an attack on you, not a defense on LMP. I'm not posting why, precisely to avoid accusations like yours. :dry:...

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EBWOP: the speedlynch was bad, and the one speedlynching was thus scummy.
(argh...)

[pacman281292]

??
Wait wait, did you get something? What did you get?

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@Katsuki: You seriously need to talk fully. Now that zwet has contradicted your claim, that looks quite weak.
I should repeat: I don't see LMP as scummy. Mysterio is my top suspect, but Kora's vote out of the blue puts my eyes on him/her.
I'll wait for the in-depth analysis before acting.

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I'm not totally sure, but I think it's OK, even if we get our PRs pawned off. We have quite a large window for mislynches, and this might get us valuable info.
I'd like Kora to start too, btw.

[pacman281292]

I'd rather prefer to wait whether or not we're agreeing to massclaim before saying anything else.
Everyone?

[pacman281292]

It might still be a picked out post where you casually did it, or an intentional fake breadcrumb.
Not saying I don't believe you, though.

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@Korashk: Err, weren't we over that yet?
My internet was glitchy (YEAH HORRIBLY GLITCHY) that day. I had my head on other game.
How the hell is that supposed to help?
Also, this is supposed to be popcorn, isn't it?
Well, I'm a Vanilla Townie. Nothing interesting here.
I was going to choose you to keep through, but meh, you already did it. So Mysterio, time for your claim.

Well, isn't this interesting.

I would like to hear LMP's investigation targets, then Zwets'.

This.

[pacman281292]

oh...
*making list of RCs in order to verify this.*

[pacman281292]

@DB: Yes, you're right. And that means we're winning.

Hrezs: Evidence Examiner (killed N1)

Katsuki: Evidence Intern

zwetschenwasser: Evidence Collector

LynchMePls: Evidence Collector

don_johnson: Mason (killed N2)
Mysterio: Unclaimed

Doombunny: Commuter
pacman: Townie
Korashk: Townie
Zajnet: Townie
Prox: SCUM
drmyshottyizsik: SCUM

Bold means confirmed town. Italics means semi-comfirmed town. Underlined means unlikely town.
Either the mod's a bastard, or Mysterio is the Mason we're looking for. Therefore,

Unvote.

zwet's early claim is clearly believable. However, he hasn't investigated anyone besides me. So, Katsuki's receiving

two or more

samples makes absolutely no sense with only one other collector, and furthermore if they come from dead people (fishy).

Vote: Katsuki.

We have 2 confirmed town here. Let's win this game!

[pacman281292]

@Katsuki: That post further worsens you. It's OMGUS to the max.
Also, what you say makes totally zero sense
Mysterio's post makes sense. However, I think it's possible to have two collectors sending their things to one single Examiner (moreso if there is a backup Examiner and no backup Collectors)
Also, LMP being scum would imply way too much things if you ask me (for example, 2 samplings appearing out of the blue for Katsuki, or a townie lying there). Unless there is a counterclaim Examiner, LMP is pretty much clear town for me.
Katsuki's claim is highly unlikely. Hrezs was killed N1, so either results carried on from N1 automatically (very unlikely if you ask me, because not only the dynamics would be counterintuitive but also there is one missing sample there (LMP's second sample)), or Katsuki is just lying.

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EBWOP: What makes zero sense is your claim I'm "inconclusive".

[pacman281292]

Humm... you have a really good point there.
However, my reasoning for a Katsuki vote is clear IMO. I still see LMP-scum fairly unlikely (but possible). Also one of the townie claims might be scum...
I'll wait for LMP and Katsuki to answer. No matter what happens, this game should be settling down in favor of town soon.

[pacman281292]

Please everyone hold on. I'm making a long post, likely to be the solution for this game.

Unvote

in the meanwhile.

[pacman281292]

Urrk... got a trouble there...
Before moving forward, @Katsuki: On pregame, what exactly did you get? did you get "sample A belongs to Prox" or "sample A is guilty"?

[pacman281292]

x.x
My logic seems to have a misshap, and that might be solved by Katsuki's ans to my question.
OR, maybe my town flip might help there.
Whatever. Don't lynch me yet; my post is going there now.

[pacman281292]

@DB: That's L-1.

Only three choices can happen to be true:
1) Mafia has got some sort of a Framer, and decided to frame me in order to get me lynched. (unlikely, very "bastard mod"-ish if you ask me).
2) There is a lucky Mafia Roleblocker around there (also quite unlikely, RBs aren't supposed to work that way).
3) Katsuki is lying.
Choices 1 and 2 imply that the scum is neither Kat nor LMP nor zwet. Choice 3 means Kat is scum. All in all, it seems LMP and zwet are clear, unless I missed something there.

That's the only thing I found sensical, I thought Sample E might actually be mine but it seems the damned sample D is mine.
So the game seems to be over for me. I thought for some moments that Kat's results implied LMP lying, but there are mismatches there.

In case I somewhat don't get lynched, Vote: Katsuki. Why, because you are contradicting your own role. You are supposed to be the backup, you're not supposed to get results UNTIL the main role is dead, and you seem to do it. That, and the fact Choice 3 is the most likely.

If I'm lynched, I'm giving you guys a final advice: No one of the claimed PRs should post their investigations before Katsuki posts his/hers. This way we will know whether or not Katsuki is lying, and (hopefully) discard the other choices.
If Katsuki isn't lying, (or Kat dies), lynch one of the unsuries. If Katsuki is lying, lynch Katsuki. That's it.

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Vote: Katsuki

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: I don't care about AtE and stuff. That was supposed to be like a "Bah" post. After all, I'm already doomed

[pacman281292]

BAH! Go town!

[pacman281292]

DAMMIT
DAMMIT
DAMMIT
DAMMIT
DAMMIT
DAMMIT
DAMMIT
DAMMIT

I KNEW THERE WAS A CONTAMINATOR I TOLD YOU WHYYYYYYYY

Argh, good game Doombunny. You won for the mafia a game that looked like a sure town win. I hate you

[pacman281292]

I personally liked the storyline. Definitely better then the bland "pacman dies. He was a vanilla townie". There was also a good storyline that coincided with the in-game events that I liked. The only thing I would change would be to give everyone a name that makes sense but still makes it obvious who its referring to. (I just keep imagining people having a hard time trying to pronounce names like 'drmyshottyizsk')

Blergh.
This game was great. I would have enjoyed to stay for a little while longer there.
So bad that %@$#@&= Doombunny had to taint my DNA...
Lesson learnt: Playing follow the cop if the cop is a modified one is a really bad idea.