Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Furcolow]

Wave Barrel At: AnimorpherVI

[Furcolow]

aim: seraphim

if you're replacing out, you may as well die. you're scum, right?

[Furcolow]

@ReaperCharlie: Why are you laying so low?
You have posted once, with no random vote. I want more material to analyze from you.

[Furcolow]

I feel like he would do that as scum. Why the hell would that warrant you voting me? That makes no sense, zwetsch


what the fuck
stop voting me

[Furcolow]

L-8? Don't feel too in dangers, considering 2 of the people voting me are considered VIs

[Furcolow]

expected you to do that earlier, anyways, ani, but i guess you couldn't since i was FoS on you

[Furcolow]

You have tried to get me lynched in every single fucking game we've played together, but you always act like it is for different reasons, because you are not only a liar but a terrible player.

[Furcolow]

you are completely over-analyzing the situation in all honesty
i just got here, this is pretty much RVS for me
if you don't like me, feel free to replace out bro

[Furcolow]

Just drop the attitude. You are inhibiting me from having any sort of posting quality whatsoever.

[Furcolow]

please please please stop acting like a teenage girl

[Furcolow]

ok. i'm going to step out for a second. i am town/townie, just trust me on this.

[Furcolow]

holster

you all want me to claim yet?

[Furcolow]

I am a power role
stop voting me please

[Furcolow]

you expected me to be a power role, or to be a terrible player, or both?

[Furcolow]

explain

[Furcolow]

I can. I'm town.

[Furcolow]

Quick thoughts
- furclow's Harry potter meta leads me to think he's town. (or) is he playing to that cause both Reaper and me are in this game? Furclow, can I have 2 scum meta games of yours please?
- "Reaper is either not scum or one of the brothers."
But didn't ya say the brothers are cultish hence scum?

that would have to be off site, but i can actually provide it.

Its not confidence. Confidence is "I think person X is town". Knowing something is "Person X is town". I see it as a scumtell. Its not a ridiculous stretch at all. Making absolute comments when as town you cannot make absolute comments makes no sense.

I'm town. I'll make absolute comments.
Reaper isn't scum.
Porochaz is playing like a troll.

[Furcolow]

WTF ARE YOU DOING. NO CLAIMING. GEEZ. DID YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM HARRY POTTER MAFIA?!?!?

Multiple things: You are a terrible player who spams even worse than I do, has bad logic, and derails a thread

People on this site are idiotic when it comes to claims

Reapercharlie can spotlight as scum

[Furcolow]

he gets the game on track with himself and whoever can sit on mafia 20 hours a day
not people who are actually doing good analysis
not saying andrius is bad at analysis, he is slightly above average

he sure is hell a lot better than you or i at being pro-town, ani


porochaz, living under a bridge, asking for a toll

[Furcolow]

the thing is, if he is town, I fully expect him to post 20 posts an hour
if he doesn't uphold that trend, I am definitely voting going to lynch him

[Furcolow]

i tried to erase that and put "going to lynch him" to be more authoritative, but I ended up failing miserably

[Furcolow]

Well, I don't consider my play to be any worse than yours. I consider myself a better player than you, and less of a policy-lynch than you. I guess I have an overly inflated opinion of my play in relation to the quality of play found here on mafiascum. I am actually a lot better than people think. A lot of people underestimate my abilities. If you'll just note how much I am talked about/discussed as a lynch option, you will see that people really respond to my play. That is my goal. I like to get information flowing when I am of the townie variety. I also have a habit of claiming a power role to soak a hit. Just something I do for you guys.

If you want to criticize me, and push a lynch on me, how the hell do you expect me to get better? I've had that done to me so much, that I am pretty good at putting off a wagon when I am scum. That's all that has happened, so thanks. Players like you create a lot of pressure that is nearly impossible to alleviate as a townie. "Claim OR DIE!!!" "i'm a vanilla townie" "OFF WEETH EZ 'EAD" basically

Let's not derail this thread any more than we have
Is Seraphim replacing out? Regardless, I want to hear from that slot on what has happened D1
I also want to hear more from gandalf/yosarian2

[Furcolow]

So if I'm a townie, I should say I'm a power role, and if I'm a power role, I should say I'm a townie
You're telling me something that I said in my post, honestly, if you know how to infer information
The shit underlined is true, you are providing no basis for it being wrong other than your opinion that it is wrong. Your opinion sucks.

You touch on game "balance" in relation to us having power roles, what about the f11 with 7 townies? Is that balanced? You made this setup? You're a master of setups, huh? You know when EVERYTHING is balanced? The only game I've played as town with multiple recruiters, honestly, was an overwhelming town win. It was probably "balanced" too.

You know how we won?
More on that later

I don't need to "get better", players like you need to get on my level, then you might understand something that is actually more of a deep concept: YOU ARE DETRACTING FROM THE GAME BY PUSHING A NON-EXISTENT "POLICY" WITHOUT A CASE. Get off your asses, and do some scumhunting.

It is not my fault whatsoever. People are intimidated by me, otherwise they wouldn't be typing my name so much. Half of the player list types my name when they post. I'd rather be talked about badly than not talked about at all.

Yet again, I'm going to re-iterate so that the people who actually read this can be urged to do something productive: start scumhunting, tell me who your reads are on, tell me who you feel is scum


ebwopreview:
L-3 is relative
in a 30 player game, sure
in a 9 player game, not really

The way that we won as a collective against the recruiters was through a mass nameclaim
I am wanting us to do that this game... Would the mafia have fakeclaims?

[Furcolow]

Like we can use specific language from our PM

@Ani: I am giving him a taste of his own medicine. If he is going to say something, he needs a case.

[Furcolow]

ah, nm. sample townie pm raped my idea.

[Furcolow]

I am a power role
stop voting me please

this one?

[Furcolow]

So if I'm a townie, I should say I'm a power role, and if I'm a power role, I should say I'm a townie

or this one?

[Furcolow]

Sorry, forgot about the word "Sample". Thought you were saying you got a townie PM.

I got a townie pm.

[Furcolow]

"If no read is listed next to your name, I haven't gotten a good read off you yet."
learn to read

[Furcolow]

Yes.

[Furcolow]

I'd prefer to lynch a lurker than a liar if the liar is lying like I'm lying

[Furcolow]

weak case, honestly

quit catfighting

ani beat me to it

hahaha

[Furcolow]

monster that felt like a townie to me
just sayin'

can people quit speculating on why andrius didn't put them on his list?
it means he doesn't have a read, if anything
don't like being ignored, faraday?

he put me as a gut town read, maybe i should complain about that
i wanted him to think i was scum so i could ad hom him a little

[Furcolow]

what case?
and i say this with 100% facetiousness

[Furcolow]

The problem with your post, Porochaz, is that you agree with all of my relevant points
that indicates my ego should get bigger, if anything, so your goal was deflated, not my ego

[Furcolow]

The problem with your post, Porochaz, is that you agree with all of my relevant points
that indicates my ego should get bigger, if anything, so your goal was deflated, not my ego

I agree with only one of your points.

Then how come your post literally says "I agree" more than once?

can people quit speculating on why andrius didn't put them on his list?
it means he doesn't have a read, if anything
don't like being ignored, faraday?

Faraday, you know that we're buds. I wouldn't forget you on purpose. But like I said re: omissions, you're null ATM.

Friend and Furc are going insane. They need to calm the hell down and lynch scum. Perhaps I'll organize a voting bloc later?

Na, andrius, just don't get all spam-happy
I got it under control, bro

[Furcolow]

Drop the attitude.

[Furcolow]

The recruiting was the whole point of the Flavour. The Deceased Don's Sons want to take over. Therefore we can conclude that they are the recruiters.

Aim: Dram

Hai.

---

So I'm frustrating too am I?

You seem to have a lot of information,
Where'd you get that from?

Saturday Night? It's mid-afternoon Sunday. LAL (but really, it's just timezone differences)

Holster, Aim: Furcolow

Starting with trying to lynch a replacee, then devolving into Insulting people.

I thought the first one was his only post, but I guess he slipped in to try to wagon me on policy and "insulting people". You're 20? Act like it. When you're past being a teenager, I feel like you can begin to get over reading into everything so emotionally. I am getting sidetracked, and I don't want to go off on a tangent.

This guy has made 2 posts: one of which was deep speculation, and the other was bandwagonning on a townie
It is not enough to warrant me voting, but I've got my eye on chronopie

[Furcolow]

gandalf, have you been reading the thread at all?

[Furcolow]

Porozac, I honestly will not read your posts if you do that quote stripes bullshit. It makes me want to have a seizure.

VOTE: Furcolow

SCUM LYNCH ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!!!!!!

i'm going to heavily dissect this post. Mixes "prozac" with "porochaz" forming "porozac" which is indicative of being a scumbuddy to me. He is trying to be friendly, but is also trying to be formal, as he is getting onto him over immature reasons. His aggressiveness could be townie, or it could be scum trying to act like a townie. I'm leaning towards the latter considering this post was directed towards porochaz, but ends up in voting me which is the primary bandwagon. My bandwagon has been dead for multiple pages, why try to bring it back now?

I'll tell you why. Scum. This is a scum-driven attempt to re-bandwagon me because I have been mixing up their radar on my claiming of both townie and a power role. They are confused whether or not to kill me, so why not get their weakest player, Gandalf, to try and get the wagon rolling again?

[Furcolow]

it's pretty smart, and reads almost like an RVS. Too bad we're on page 9, so this is serious land. Where is your case? your case seems to be "scum lynch all systems go!!!!!!". Great case, bro. Too bad I'm NOT a scum lynch, so if you're going to make a case, DON'T LIE. If you find something I say scummy, fine, but don't just fucking lie and say I'm scum when I'm not.

[Furcolow]

gandalf, have you been reading the thread at all?

Yes, and my psychic powers are telling me you're scum. But seriously, LYNCH PLOX!!!!!!!

can you get my name out of your mouth unless you have a case?
I am not fucking scum. Don't fucking say I'm scum unless I really am scum. You can try to build a case on me when you are scum and I am not, but don't rely on stating "furcolow is scum durrrrrr" like you are. That is bullshit, is not the proper way to play, is very frustrating to deal with when you are town, and makes me want to punch you in the face.

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: gandalf

reasons: lacking a case, bandwagon riding, and being generally scummy

counter-lawsuit-go

[Furcolow]

fail

unvote
vote: gandalf

[Furcolow]

Aim: DMSIS

He was going to join this game, but probably decided not to because he knew that Flay would look at his wiki and tell him he couldn't play. Worried about meta = SCUM. GOGOGO GUYS!

Porozac, I honestly will not read your posts if you do that quote stripes bullshit. It makes me want to have a seizure.

VOTE: Furcolow

SCUM LYNCH ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!!!!!!

gandalf, have you been reading the thread at all?

Yes, and my psychic powers are telling me you're scum. But seriously, LYNCH PLOX!!!!!!!

gogogogogogogogogogo guys
i am gandalf, the voice of reason
gogogogogogogo

[Furcolow]

the fact that every single post you've had up until that point is trying to push a bandwagon isn't generally scummy?
ha

[Furcolow]

Dayvig: Gandalf5166

if only

[Furcolow]

@mod, does gandalf not have a vote, or did you miss his vote on me?

Fixed; this is what comes of spamming... Flay

[Furcolow]

reapercharlie you better be kidding,
that's not funny!

[Furcolow]

well, if i'm going to flip, should i claim quickly?

[Furcolow]

vanilla townie

[Furcolow]

holster, aim: gandalf

[Furcolow]

Porozac, I honestly will not read your posts if you do that quote stripes bullshit. It makes me want to have a seizure.

VOTE: Furcolow

SCUM LYNCH ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!!!!!!!

[Furcolow]

don't shorten my last name into an acronym, please

ebwopreview(s):
speaking of ninja edits..

#2
thanks for having a good read on me, friend...

#3
@Gandalf: What is your case on me other than "psychic ability"? I'd like to hear it.

#4: @Friend: EXACTLY. That's why I'm gonna shoot him/vote him (no, this isn't a softclaim, it's aim/holster)

#5: @zwet: zwetsch, posting the way you do let scum slip by with one liners. I know I'm being hypocritical.

#6: @zwet: This time, it isn't null. Just trust me on this one so you won't have to *facepalm* again, ok?

#7: gandalf.... you are so scummy

#8: I don't consider myself a VI, and my play is definitely what you consider. You have a good read on me I think, but I'd have to see if you can read me when I'm actually scum to determine that.

#9: more scummy shit from gandalf

#10: actually, my scummy play is if you'd take shameless and put shameful in it's place, believe it or not

#11: more scummy shit from gandalf... broken record.

#12: zwet, i agree with you, but i also see a possibility friend might be buddying to me as scum, so if i'm mislynched, he can be like "SEE GUYS?" I'm not sure of that, but I have to take in the possibility.

#13: gandalf.... just stop posting

13 ninja edits!

[Furcolow]

caps locks and exclamation points don't make your case and play any less sucky

[Furcolow]

I would not normally do this, but NO. I will not provide you any information.
If anyone else wants it, sure, but not you.

Reason: I honestly feel like you are scum, and by giving you any information, you would twist it to your own goals.

[Furcolow]

holster

for now
im going to read up on what i missed

[Furcolow]

caps locks and exclamation points don't make your case and play any less sucky

This is rich coming from Furcolow. rofl

You like that?

Oh right...

When you write a long case you can't reply to anything at once, in any case, yes I have used it before, its not something Im going to look for now but you should be able to find a game if you care about it. Some may use it when town and whilst I find it really annoying for reasons Ive mentioned before but even then the fact scum know who is likely town and scum they are more likely to make that mistake.

Scum know who is town and scum so they are more likely to use absolutes as they know what everyones alignments are likely to be. Town do not have knowledge of this therefore they shouldn't be doing it. I don't view it as a major scum tell but 24 hours into a thread I view it as a votable scum tell to start things off.

Yeah, that's in JEEP's common tells, sort of.

Furc is town because of an OVERWHELMING gut feel. I hate to admit it though.

Gandalf, who is scum on your wagon?

No, I am town because of the role pm I got saying so, but whatever floats your boat.
Would you stop saying "furc is town" over and over, though? If you feel it, hold it in, unless it is necessary, or if I'm being threatened. Neither of those is happening right now. I love the way you're defending me, but it is coming across as scummy even to me, and I'm the one you're defending.

why? another overwhelming gut read?

This is why, friend. When you have those "STRONG GUT READS" which, if you're townie, is amazing play, might be misinterpreted as you simply having too much information (like you would as scum)

grumble

Holster

I remember Furc being town in games. And also being this pleasant.
Also, why the hell did you claim? We didn't need that, and now the scum won't shoot you, so we're sure to endure you for a looooong time since you're playing to your town meta, I hate you ;_;

All lovely humor aside.

Friend is town, Zwet is town, Furc is town, gandalf is... abnormal.
Will read his ISO.

Here is another example of someone who I am reading as town saying "this person IS town" "that person IS town" which is a common tell of mafia. I agree with Porochaz on that.

Those common tells are a bit outdated, though, admittedly. They're circa 2006 or so, play has evolved (actually deteriorated, from what I can tell) since then.

I'm not willing to lynch Gandalf either at this point.
I'd like to hear from the non-posters.

Are you rectifying you calling him weird, and deterring weird being misconstrued as scum? because that's not how I took your post I just quoted before this one at all. I just took it to mean you had more of a neutral read on him.

Holstered: dramonic, Erg0, vezokpiraka, Yosarian2

Let's pick one of these.

I like this from you, but I hope you're not scum using this tactic. Null imo... but if we do follow your lead on this, and you keep pushing this, I will have some of my suspicions alleviated.


I'm not convinced dramonic is scum, though, inhimshallibe.
I am ok with going with your idea of voting someone who isn't contributing via voting. Let's stick with that.

aim: yosarian2

[Furcolow]

it would be if you know your role
so, to me, it is
capiche?

[Furcolow]

Aim: TheLonging

Argues with Seraphim, votes for furcolow for voting Seraphim, then votes Me=Weird, who replaced Seraphim. Make up your mind, dude.

Can't believe I'm actually at the point of reading isos already.

I believe this is a case of you all having a huge age difference, honestly.
Null imo.

[Furcolow]

you're nearly 20 years older than him
his mind has yet to mature to the point where it isn't fleeting like a butterfly
he probably didn't even mean to do that
you view that as scummy because you're more settled down in life

[Furcolow]

I might be completely wrong, and he might be scum, I don't know. I'm just giving you my opinion.

[Furcolow]

02/24/1986

[Furcolow]

it would be if you know your role
so, to me, it is
capiche?

no. wrong. YOU FOOL!

less ad hom please

[Furcolow]

you're nearly 20 years older than him
his mind has yet to mature to the point where it isn't fleeting like a butterfly
he probably didn't even mean to do that
you view that as scummy because you're more settled down in life

it's people like you who insult my playing skills because I'm a teenager that make me hate playing mafia with certain people and doubt my own playing skills. good to know I can blacklist you though

I'm not insulting you for being young. You are just at a time in your life where you read into everything much more emotionally than you should. I actually view you as a very good player, sorry you misinterpretted that and that I hurt your feelings. I like you.

[Furcolow]

It's all good! I don't want you to blacklist me. In fact I was calling erg0 an old geezer if anything

I agree heavily with your reads on M=W and Gandalf
both feel like scum to me. Seraphim replacing out when he got waggoned is scummy, as is gandalf trying to ride a wagon.

[Furcolow]

As much as I hate to say it, I am reading zwet as a VI this game

[Furcolow]

holster

@zwetsch - you post one liners, are generally unhelpful and trollish sometimes, and don't scumhunt

[Furcolow]

not saying i don't

[Furcolow]

I'd have to see what you're referring to in context, xvart

also, why do you sign your posts? it's not like we don't know they're from you

[Furcolow]

Scum
11. Lord Gurgi
13. Porochaz

Town
16. TheLonging
6. Faraday
9. gandalf5166
5. Erg0
17. vezokpiraka

Friend is most likely town too. Reasoning is based on
- When a particular person chose to attack another
- What topics were commented on\ignored

expand on this please. Why do you think those people are scum? What makes you feel like gandalf is town? or vezokpiraka? I'm not very comfortable with you putting in there, but I'm not very familiar with any of your town list. I agree with one or two of them so far.

I'm afraid I can't follow your reasoning if you give me so little to work with. Could you elaborate?

I wanted to see you elaborate too, but the way he does it and the simple fact of it feels like he is sad that he was caught as scum here. That is how I am reading this. It

might

be null.

So Friend, are you back on me for any reason other than me voting you? Because that's all that I've done since you moved your vote away from me.

Scumbuddy much?

Perhaps we get information out of this flip.

I know it's probably not very popular to admit this, but the one I find myself agreeing with the most is Friend.

That makes me believe he is scum even moreso. His buddying up to an idiot mislynch (me), the way that Lord Gurgi just talked to him in that quote where I just said "scumbuddy much", and just my gut instinct is telling me that these two, maybe even THREE with porochaz could be a scumteam.

The problem is porochaz and Lord Gurgi are *voting* friend, and I doubt it's a bus. Is Lord Gurgi good enough to fake like friend is his scumbuddy? If he is I'm more suspicious of those two on the friend wagon.

I really just don't see friend's play as scummy in and of itself this game, so I am more supportive of a lynch of one of the other two or three people I'm suspicious of. Namely, porochaz, gandalf, m=w, Lord Gurgi, whoever before friend. Not really

whoever

, but you get what i'm sayin'.

I hate that I'm starting to agree with xvart... probably because he signs his name at the end of his posts.

[Furcolow]

i have scum meta now
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=14990

[Furcolow]

I hated to admit that Furc was town, xvart. Not that I had the read on him.

you're not the only one! even the mod is surprised i'm town this game lol
there's an even scummier one for you xvart, but it is a whole bunch of

NULLNESS

If you want, I could get you lynched for using a signature.
Would that benefit the town?
If you are scum.

Do I know if you're scum?
Yes.
lol jk
I really don't know anything, except my own role

honestly

. I have a vote to give.

5 No context/response needed here, either; unless you care to explain the scummiest post of the game so far.

@xvart if they're lying like I was then they would be townie
isn't that a good idea?

[Furcolow]

thank you captain obvious.

[Furcolow]

vote: yosarian2

[Furcolow]

feels like yosarian is squirming as scum

[Furcolow]

I want everyone to re-read this post that I made. I was talking about how chronopie has had 2 posts, and both of them suck and are scum reads.

The recruiting was the whole point of the Flavour. The Deceased Don's Sons want to take over. Therefore we can conclude that they are the recruiters.

Aim: Dram

Hai.

---

So I'm frustrating too am I?

You seem to have a lot of information,
Where'd you get that from?

Saturday Night? It's mid-afternoon Sunday. LAL (but really, it's just timezone differences)

Holster, Aim: Furcolow

Starting with trying to lynch a replacee, then devolving into Insulting people.

I thought the first one was his only post, but I guess he slipped in to try to wagon me on policy and "insulting people". You're 20? Act like it. When you're past being a teenager, I feel like you can begin to get over reading into everything so emotionally. I am getting sidetracked, and I don't want to go off on a tangent.

This guy has made 2 posts: one of which was deep speculation, and the other was bandwagonning on a townie
It is not enough to warrant me voting, but I've got my eye on chronopie

Hot damn you guys post lots.

Holster

I'll calling Gandalf-Furcolow Town-on-Town. Both are horribly abrasive, both make me wish I had Day-Vigging powarz. But both read as pissed-off Townies.

This is where he sees yos2, his scumbuddy, has made a "case" on me to try and get an easy ass mislynch (because that's what I am in the eyes of mafia like them), after chronopie had tried to wagon me already. These two are likely scum together in my eyes, and I am very happy to flip either of them.

wave barrel at

chronopie

[Furcolow]

Having read back over the latter half of the game, I would now like to call for an end to the Yos 2 wagon.

While it is true that being a high profile player makes him (and others of his Calibre) a prime recruitment target, it is also true that it's a) Wifom-y after all, that's what we expect, and b) it doesn't solve the problem. We need to cut the heads off the snakes, not chop away at the tail.

OH, WAIT, IS THAT A CHAINSAW I SEE? I bolded it for you guys. He's calling an end for that wagon. Cute. Lets flip one of these guys and see what's up.

The question now is: who is the likelier recruiter? I am leaning towards chronopie, with yosarian2 being the recruitee
if we can lynch one, we are likely to KNOW where the head is!!

[Furcolow]

This is where he sees yos2, his scumbuddy, has made a "case" on me to try and get an easy ass mislynch

A "case" on you? What's with the quote marks? You lied about your role, on day 1, in order to get yourself out of trouble, and then you weaseled your way out of that lie in an incredibly scummy way, and then you claimed vanilla. Do I actually have to list all the reasons this behavior is scummy?

Except, fortunately for you, the way gandalf5166 has acted. Only reason I'm not voting for you right now is that he's managed to act even more scummy, which is a pretty impressive feat. Can someone please explain to me why we haven't lynched that guy yet?

If you want to try to lynch me, then make a case on me (and not "he's trying to get a mislynch" bs, because from where I'm sitting, I'm having a hard time believing that hanging you is at all likely to be a "mislynch"). Otherwise, I'd suggest at least trying to defend your horribly anti-town and incredibly scummy behavior so far this game, especally the claims. Frankly, if you just hadn't claimed at all, i wouldn't be nearly as suspicious of you right now.

Ok, sure, I agree that my claim was bad, but it got pressure of of a mislynch so that's good.
Instead of attacking your attacker, though, you should defend this question:
why is it so unreasonable for you and chronopie to be scumbuddies?

Andrius said:

Furcolow, we know Chronopie isn't an angel. Now please, consider voting dramonic. You're wasting your time on a Chrono lynch. He's harmless ATM. I'm fairly certain in my town read on him (and you), so this is pointless.

so he is getting involved in this debate, too. I don't really see why he's 100% ignoring the fact i've been talking lynching Yosarian2 as well, but i'm going to treat that as if it's null. Does yosarian lash out at people when he needs to be defending himself as scum? Does he ignore any sort of defense as town? Does anyone have any meta on him that they could share on how he plays? I can provide that in HP mafia RC stole the show as scum, happily sitting in the spotlight.

Would friend buddy up to a townie who could be mislynched?

@andrius: what is your read on yosarian2?
I guess i'm going to try to reserve judgment for a moment and put my gun away. We'll see whats up soon

holster

my gun plz mod

[Furcolow]

ooba wrote:

"HP Mafia still plays on my mind, and has already influenced this game in ways you don't know yet." - You recruited furclow or RC?

with the players in this game, you really think someone would recruit

me

?
don't give me any WIFOM crap either, honestly, would you recruit me?
I wouldn't even recruit myself.

Say inhimshallibe is the recruiter
wouldnt he recruit someone who is actually good? Yosarian2? Idk. I just know it shouldn't be me or ani.

[Furcolow]

defense of andrius is noted

aim: andrius

[Furcolow]

spam more and i will unvote you

[Furcolow]

and blindly push lynches
because that's what you do as town

[Furcolow]

I was ron, so if you're calling me ginny, you need to stop if you expect to be responded to

[Furcolow]

...........i claimed treestump, got wagonned, and was suspicious of KMD/RC as a scumteam, when they were

learn to read

[Furcolow]

i don't feel like i played poorly that game at all. why are you getting personal with this? Are you trying to get the mod to force replace me by insulting me? that is a good strategy to use as scum when you are getting voted by someone. good job.

[Furcolow]

@mod, apologies for my behavior this game, please don't replace me

Understood. Flay

[Furcolow]

no, it's vice versa
he is sucking me into making me play how i do not want to play whatsoever. He is better at that as town than he is as scum, apparently, because I see right through his little ploy now.

The fact you're defending him, prozie, is making me suspicious of you when you wouldn't have made me suspicious of you had you not posted anything at all.

ok so that gives me two reads

porochaz/andrius with porochaz as recruiter
yosarian2/chronopie with chronopie as recruiter
i am also suspicious of the possibility of xvart being scum

alliances =/= pro-town always
read harry potter mafia. RC did that as scum.

apology accepted, andrius, and i apologize for believing you're scum if you're not

[Furcolow]

i didn't say "it's always scum", did i?
read my post

[Furcolow]

I said "it does not equal pro-town always"

[Furcolow]

in harry potter it wasn't,

[Furcolow]

well, i'd say it's higher than 20% out of my 5, but otherwise i agree with the majority of your post

[Furcolow]

yosarian you are such a liar
i was voting you on august 30th pretty much before you ever posted

[Furcolow]

also in defense of your insane argument against me, scum would not come clean that they were avoiding a mislynch as town like i have, they would try to stick by their insanity

[Furcolow]

yosarian you are such a liar
i was voting you on august 30th pretty much before you ever posted

On the 30th, you voted me because I hadn't voted anyone yet. I didn't have a problem with that vote at all; that's a perfectly reasonable reason to vote on day 1.

Of course, that's not why you re-voted me a few days later. That vote looks like OMGUS.

also in defense of your insane argument against me, scum would not come clean that they were avoiding a mislynch as town like i have, they would try to stick by their insanity

So, if you were scum you wouldn't have admitted that you acted in a scummy way by lying in order to avoid being lynched? Sorry, don't buy that kind of WIFOM at all. Basically, unclaiming the way you would gave you, as scum, a lot more flexibility; if you had stuck to a power role claim, you probably would have to claim in more detail tomorrow or so, and that would have got tricky. What you did is exactly what any scum would love to do, if they believed they would get away with it. Whereas there's no reason for town to do any of those things.

or i could claim that i was a veteran, with a passive ability
i could claim i was a vig and didn't want to mishit
i could claim i was a medic and say i protected someone who wasnt killed (which would be obvious)
any more brilliant ideas mr scum ?

[Furcolow]

ok, so vote me, and i'll vote you

[Furcolow]

vote: xvart

i don't like you
i don't believe you're town
i hate your signature

[Furcolow]

This game is rapidly becoming a chore for me. I'm just posting to avoid a prod. I don't have anything new to add.

aim: lord gurgi

[Furcolow]

if this game is a chore for you, by all means

[Furcolow]

I am fairly certain the people who are even trying to question me: xvart, yosarian2
are in my suspects list when i named 5 people
Andrius will remember me saying this.
they should be questioned, not me.

xvart has changed his posting style this game, sinking to my level, which i feel is a sign of scum. I've got my eye on him, so FoS, but I'm going to put my vote on someone I find scummier as soon as I get caught up in my other games.

also, xvart, my vote on you was more of a joke than anything to see if you would come down to the level
so was needling with comments about your signature, or about not liking you. I don't dislike you at all, I was just seeing how you'd react

[Furcolow]

Also I am about to start a re-read for this game .. Going to be searching for 2 scum groups of 2 members each where one is more important than the other .. Vezo did you answer Yos's question about how the recruitment process happens in the game?

read my in iso, and see what you think of my potential 2 groups of 2

[Furcolow]

After reading Dramonic in iso, I agree with the predominant case against him if it involves his repetitive excuse-making

@

Dramonic said

:

I'll be up to date before TOO long. Of course dying here and there would help, but I'd rather live here. Lynch someone else.

AtE with "lynch someone else", right?

aim: dramonic

[Furcolow]

town-what? there are many different behaviors even as town. a tracker is going to act differently than a jailkeeper. a village idiot who likes to spam and take way too much spotlight is going to act differently from a power role who wants to not post nearly as much, whereas some people don't spotlight as green, and let the power roles take control.

when you say "he doesn't play like that as town", what are you referring to him as being in town? what role?
could you also indicate how he acts when using said role, and give a few different aspects of his behavior as correlating to what makes you think that he's not doing that right now? thanks.

If you really are suspicious of him as being scum, please answer the above
I know I am playing devil's advocate here, but you gotta do what you gotta do when scum are on the loose

[Furcolow]

I have made my suspicions before: Dramonic and one of M=W/Friend, Friend being slightly less scummy than M=W. Since then only 3 revelations have been made to me, with 1 being obvious but resurged again:

Andrius is town.

THERE I SAID IT

The others are that Furclow is being VIscum, and that gandalf might be worth a lynch tomorrow since Furclow dies tonight.

....you are not good at reading people
as VIscum, I am unhelpful, uncooperative, and a terrible claimer.
I am none of those this game.
If you want to kill me tonight, so be it, but it is a mistake if you are town

[Furcolow]

in response to RC commenting on my post in the 200's:
I actually believe that post clears me, if anything, because I was speaking as if there was a combined scumteam, here, when there is not!
it is recruiter based!
therefore, my not knowing/remembering that at the time sort of lends weight to the fact that my unawareness of the situation means i am in fact a vanilla townie

[Furcolow]

I know RC noticed that, as he is a good player, but I am saying this for all of you who believe I might be scum. I am not. Whatever lead you to have that opinion has to be rectified.

[Furcolow]

i agree that dramonic is a good lynch
even if he's town, which i doubt, he has "always been catching up"
if you're going to mod 3 games, why play in 9?
it's just silly.

ebwop: =
funny

Freudian slip much?

[Furcolow]

I am voicing an unpopular opinion. Because I honestly believe Andrius is scum

lol:)

[Furcolow]

meta???? when did i talk about anything metaphysical?
don't put words into my mouth
i am just saying that excuses usually come from scum. that's what i believe from my experience.

[Furcolow]

what's the point in all of this?
get to it

[Furcolow]

my posts this game have not been one liners
i have been helpful, responsive, and will answer all questions directed towards me
your opinion of meta is wrong in my eyes, and i hope we can agree to disagree, because if your town this vendetta on me is not only negative towards us as a whole, but also irrational.

[Furcolow]

I know I have a lot of one liners, but what I meant by that are I actually have quite a bit of content to a lot of my posts if you analyze me in iso.

[Furcolow]

sugar and cream for me
and i'd prefer something sweeter than coffee
i like it, though. hooray for caffeine.

[Furcolow]

ok, don't rule me out, but don't say "furcolow dies tonight". It would be a mishit for a vig, though i wouldnt mind if scum used a hit on me other than it would suck to be out of this game.

[Furcolow]

xvart

said:

1

So questioning people is scummy?

2

So sinking to your level is scummy? Your level being scummy? Is that right?

3

Was your vote a joke? Or was it a test to see if I would "come to [your] level"? It can't be both.

4

So it wasn't a joke? It was a reaction vote? Make up your mind please.

1. It can be.
2. For a player like you to be doing so, yes, it is indicative of scum. For me to do so? No. I'm already slumming it. You are perched high with your ego.
3. My vote was partially a joke, but was also geared as reactionary. It worked and also earned attitude from you which makes me believe you could be scum moreso than before.
4. See above, but when I do things, I do them for a reason. I had a town read on you up until the point all this went down. I like how you tried to slip in some questioning and needling of me while I was away. Nice of you.

While I'm talking to you, I'd like to see your 2 potential scum recruiters/recruitees from the night


@everyone else:
I see mixed reactions to the dramonic wagon. I am inclined to not believe that particular claim in this setup. Who is he supposed to be protecting? Is it the type of bodyguard that dies if his target is hit, or is it the type that protects a set role? Do you get to pick?

I dislike vezokpiraka's latest post/willingness to wagon
FoS

[Furcolow]

xvart actually has a pretty good implied point in his last post, that i had been thinking about around a week ago or so about this game. it is because i have played in a recruiting type game before, with 3 factions, and a town. i also played in one where there is only one recruiting faction, and it was a mafia, sort of a cultsy setup. in both games, the town won via a landslide, in the first because the mafia weren't provided with good fakeclaims, and in the second because i was such a baller jailkeeper. that first game still gave me experience on night actions, based on who would recruit who. the second game let me in on how to prevent those via these systems we can implement with our power roles. I doubt you all like me or trust me enough to allow me to coordinate our blues, and I am not pushing for claims AT ALL at this point.

The point of the above is that the people who were recruited night 0 are going to be people who WON'T NORMALLY GET LYNCHED (thanks xvart). You can rule Dramonic out. You can rule me out. Hell, you can probably rule vezokpiraka out. I also don't believe the mod would make any of us the recruiter, unless it is done at random, in which case he still might choose to not do so. I do not know the mod personally, and I am not the mod, so I'm going to quit speculating on that note.

Regardless of who is unlikely to be the recruitee, we need to focus on who is the RECRUITER.
If we keep lynching recruitees, they will always be gaining 2 people at night just with 2 recruiters which is the number i've been seeing thrown around. if we lynch 1, there's going to be another one every single time, taken away from OUR numbers. The people i've been disagreeable with, xvart or chronopie for instance, have both made fairly solid points in relation to this. xvart inspired this post by saying noone would recruit dramonic (wifom, i know), and i have seen chronopie say "we must cut the head off of the snake" which I totally agree with.

So, in conclusion, I implore you all to not worry about the recruitees, but who are the recruiters trying to communicate in thread with their recruitees. that is what to look for.

[Furcolow]

I agree that recruitee lynching > town, but i disagree with you on not solely recruiter hunting
you can be hunting for recruitees/recruiters at the same time, and still miss, something you implied wasn't possible.

if someone is obviously a recruitee, and we have no other leads, sure, i'm ok with that, but what we need to do is cut off the head

[Furcolow]

gandalf
3 top town 3 top scum go

[Furcolow]

*cue jeopardy music*

[Furcolow]

why do you view me as scum? especially considering a lot of the town list you have consider me town. Also, please rectify the fact that you have 7 scum or possibly scum listed when there will be i believe 4 scum. Care to pick 3 "scum" to knock off your list? thanks.

[Furcolow]

i must have had my browser ending on zwet, as i admittedly didn't catch that. i agree once you have rectified yourself at the bottom of the post.

thanks, gandalf, that post is actually pretty spot on
you're not a VI like me after all

[Furcolow]

chronopie and yosarian are on the tops of my scum lists
their posts, which I haven't even read yet, just FEEL like scum hating on the concepts RC is bringing up in terms of a pro-town alliance.
I had a sentence typed out, but my instinct is telling me this: RC is NOT being like he was in HP mafia. it is VERY likely he is a town/townie, and I am going to agree to this alliance based upon the negative feel of the previous 2 posts with the positive feel of RC's post. I am not going to go read the last two posts previous to RC's.

Yosarian, learn grammar. If you do not, I am going to discontinue reading your posts.
I disagree with you, and your entire argument is WIFOM. It is a petty and senseless argument to make.

Chronopie buddies with yos. Attacks RC. I feel he is our lynch, as he is the recruiter, and he is talking to the recruitee in Yos. I may have had this backwards earlier, and may have it now, but their interaction in these posts is quite telling. I felt it before I even read them. No joke.

Senseless attack on RC continuing in paragraph 2. Yosarian is better at hiding the fact he's scum than chronopie. Chronopie actually might be buddying up to a townie. This attack on RC doesn't mean anything. I wasn't even sure I had one until I went back and looked. It is just silly flavor, and you can't hold someone down/lynch them over that. Behavior plays a much greater key, as it does with my sensing chronopie being nitpicky as scum. Does anyone know if this is how he plays?

[Furcolow]

i like your recent post, chronopie
just, if you're a vig, don't vig me!

lol

[Furcolow]

Yeah well, I'm not giving myself up quite yet.
But. I will not crumb or claim further unless I'm pushed to lynch further than you.
I won't let scum_dram outlive me, no sirree.

unvote
vote: andrius

claim
you're further than dramonic

unvote

now you guys are tied
still leaning dramonic, but i want to hear from andrius
this kind of pressure is good for town


sorry andrius, i like you, but this has to be done

[Furcolow]

chronopie and yosarian are on the tops of my scum lists

their posts, which I haven't even read yet, just FEEL like scum hating

on the concepts RC is bringing up in terms of a pro-town alliance.
I had a sentence typed out, but my instinct is telling me this: RC is NOT being like he was in HP mafia. it is VERY likely he is a town/townie, and I am going to agree to this alliance based upon the negative feel of the previous 2 posts with the positive feel of RC's post. I am not going to go read the last two posts previous to RC's.

Had to jump in on this before I went back to my last post and started responding. How can posts that you

haven't

read feel a certain way? How can you respond to posts in terms of their intent/content when you admit you haven't read them?

xvart.

skimming to post, interpreting vibes of the message they are sending out influencing me to have certain thoughts or emotions drawn from them

when i read them, they confirmed that
it was neat, even for myself, to have done that

[Furcolow]

LOL like Andy's gonna claim cause you randomly switched your vote.

either that, or he has lied, because he was further from the dramonic wagon via the middle of my post

[Furcolow]

ok, then, andrius

first, your active lurking is noted
second, i'm voting you for lying about when you would claim

vote: andrius

L-3

[Furcolow]

lol
thanks

i am being honest, though.

@erg0 what is your exact reason for voting me? me wanting a claim from andrius? we have 2 wagons, we've heard 1 claim, which i believe in this setup is a good claim. why not make andrius claim? rectify the situation or remove your vote.

@gandalf via ebwop:
he responded the minute i voted him
it seemed like he was active and lurking to me

[Furcolow]

your post was 1 line, ergo
give me justification right now

[Furcolow]

my vote is going to remain on you until you claim, andrius. i'm sorry, bro, i like you, but you're in a situation where you need to claim or be lynched.

[Furcolow]

I don't feel very threatened. Going to be reading the thread now.

[Furcolow]

My vote is remaining where it is until Andrius provides a night 0 action for us to gain information from. If he really is an investigative role, he is already out in the open, and should provide that.

The votes on my have little to no justification, other than disagreement with my playstyle. I apologize that you all misunderstand what I am saying. I sometimes communicate in a loftier manner than most people, and it rubs people the wrong way. I am glad that people take notice of me, though, as I would hate to be a player like ooba who noone really talks about. I would rather be spoken of negatively than not spoken of at all.

If you all want to mislynch me, and if enough people have a problem with my playstyle, I will consider replacing out. I really enjoy this game, and I am happy to play in it, but you all are seriously hating on me too much. Please stop.

[Furcolow]

That was when I replaced in, and I did not do that this game, and my termanology is a lot better in relation to it. Furthermore, when I replaced out as scum, I did not do it in the thread. I Pmed the mod, and I did it because there was a particular player that I did not want to play with. I have played with them since, and they have done even more to confirm that I do not want to play with them. I am not going to name any names, but if it's the game you were thinking of, I had other motives for replacing out to that game which I replaced into in the first place, so please don't bring up the fact that I replaced into a bad situation, stayed for half of a cycle, and replaced out because I had a replacement blacklisted.

I am not replacing out of this game, I am just very against the wagon on me until I get people actually providing some sort of "scum slip" from me which is impossible to be there based upon my role this game.

[Furcolow]

love the push on me, guys, most likely is scum to dissuade the andrius lynch
let's lynch andrius and actually lynch scum
if he is not scum, i offer myself up for lynch tomorrow

i am pretty sure he is lying
he is not offering investigative results and is a detective with a n0
that is really a joke
why are you all letting that off the hook?

he is being completely non-compliant, so let's lynch the guy who is trying to pressure him?
seems like a scum tactic, and if it isn't a normal one, it's what they're doing here.

if you do not believe me, give me time to explain myself better before the hammer. i do not believe andrius whatsoever. he is a recruiter.

[Furcolow]

happy mafia day, xvart.
what do i need to explain?
i'm willing to answer anything that will be productive for the town.

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: dramonic

i know my role, i don't know yours
i know i am pro-town, i do not know you aren't
this is admittedly wagonning for the sake of wagonning and saving my own neck
is it because I'm scum? no. I wouldn't have a wagon on me if I was.

[Furcolow]

so i know he's a bodyguard?
i could claim i am a busdriver, but i could still be a townie or scum, what's your point?

[Furcolow]

well, i'm obviously here all day and attempting to be helpful
i'm here everyday, checkin up on this thread, trying to help everyone
i am willing to comply and oblige all orders/requests from this thread as a whole, as the majority of you are town with me
i do not understand the wagon on me whatsoever. i also do not understand why dramonic should bodyguard andrius.

1) andrius is a cop, dramonic is a bodyguard: mafia know not to hit him
2) andrius is scum, dramonic is a bodyguard: mafia hit dramonic, looks like andrius was hit
3) andrius is scum, dramonic is scum: neither die, it just looks like scum "out-thought" us
3) andrius is a cop, dramonic is scum: scum can either kill a cop, and lose a scum (they wont) or just fake option 3

I also agree with ooba that he should claim his investigative target.


On another note, RC, what makes you believe ooba and faraday to be scum? Just because they are active posters doesn't make them scum. That, other than my unusual playstyle, is typically the reason I myself get wagonned on and mislynched on day1. There is a LOT of information flowing for a day1. 48 pages. This day -really- needs to end, and whoever are scum are very smart, trying to make a wagon on a bad player (yes, i'm calling myself a bad player) seem like an easy and good lynch at the end of the day.

I'm not going to try to appeal to you all and beg you all to not lynch me, but I really would like to remain in this game and help the side that deserves to win as it has more people (the town). I have fun in this game, and a lot of the people I enjoy playing with are in this game. If anyone is considering voting me, let me know, and I will try to rectify the situation through explaining anything that has happened that you may find sketchy or scummy about my play. If that has happened, it is a result of me as a person, not the role that I am in this game..

thanks!
-sam

[Furcolow]

there is likely a town roleblocker/jailkeeper in my opinion, the more i'm thinking about setup
i actually agree with you, yosarian, and i hadn't taken that into consideration because i honestly believe andrius is lying as scum

[Furcolow]

i guess i should have said "but" there, though it doesn't matter. The only reason I don't believe Andrius is purely based upon speculation revolving around the fact that he hasn't been posting the way I have seen him post as a power role.

[Furcolow]

Good. I am happy with how this is going, seeing someone on my miswagon considering other options.
I am against lynching RC solely on the fact that he is friendly towards me, but if you all want to, I'm not going to chainsaw him or anything as I am not a mason with him and I have no knowledge of his role as I did not have any investigation n0 or anything.

What is your stance on a zwetchenswasser lynch, Yos?

[Furcolow]

quoting xvart

When you said "if you do not believe me, give me time to explain myself better before the hammer. i do not believe andrius whatsoever. he is a recruiter." I took that as you could explain yourself better. I was just asking you to do so now as opposed to waiting until someone was about to hammer you.

Fine. I hate to have to do this, but I am not a townie. I am the real detective, not Andrius, though we could have two? As for my N0 investigation, I sent in rolecheck: reapercharlie, but day1 RVS had already started by a few hours. Mega fail.

I hate to have to claim on day 1, but I don't want to be hammered and mislynched
Based upon my role pm, though, I am fairly certain I am the one that always gets townie checks

i win when i best the capo's sons and their allies, and then i get to go off and be a private investigator like i always wanted

[Furcolow]

p.s. this is what i get for making fun of animorpher for not sending in his n0 in stars aligned II... it's easier to forget than it seems from a replacement's standpoint!

[Furcolow]

Fine. I hate to have to do this, but I am not a townie. I am the real detective, not Andrius, though we could have two? As for my N0 investigation, I sent in rolecheck: reapercharlie, but day1 RVS had already started by a few hours. Mega fail.

This is totally bogus, and even if it wasn't; good thing you've been lying about your role all day so there is no plausible way to believe anything that has come out of your mouth. If Fucolow flips scum then RC is next as the likely recruitee. One team down. How did you miss the deadline when N0 was three RL days long?

xvart.

I didn't think about it, and the mod pmed me like 2 hours before the day started. I sent him my rolecheck on RC, but it didn't go in in time. It's me, we're talking about, how is this so unbelievable? I messed up.

unvote
vote: dramonic

i know my role, i don't know yours
i know i am pro-town, i do not know you aren't
this is admittedly wagonning for the sake of wagonning and saving my own neck
is it because I'm scum? no. I wouldn't have a wagon on me if I was.

why did you unvote andrius if he claimed your role?

1) you don't lynch a claimed cop on day 1
2) there could easily be two cops in this setup

hmm missed that you're a rolecop, that's slightly different although i think 2 cop roles would be pretty powerful, could anyone who's played with a cult like mechanic before say if town need to have this sort of power?

I'm not a rolecop, I get role/alignment. I just refer to it as a rolecheck.

I will not be changing my vote.

Why the hell is the stance on this site both for and against lynching a cop claim on day 1? Doesn't make sense. I can PROVE MY ROLE IN THE NIGHT AND WILL BE NIGHTKILLED............ ARE YOU DUMB?

[Furcolow]

Let me prove my role, don't hammer me and hurt the town
if someone hammers me they deserve to be held accountable

[Furcolow]

if this is a hammer that is a joke
you all just lost a cop

[Furcolow]

yeah, that's a hammer
good job vezokpiraka, you are such a good player hammering a cop on day 1

[Furcolow]

no, when i flip town you are going to die for hammering a cop on day 1
end of story

[Furcolow]

people need to learn to be held accountable for hammering like that on a cop on day 1

[Furcolow]

yosarian2 is scum for the record

[Furcolow]

just speculation, though, i really did miss my night0 detective check


remember to lynch vezokpiraka for being an idiot and hammering a cop on day 1

[Furcolow]

andrius is likely a cop, too, with the amount of players in this game
if he dies, lynch dramonic
if dramonic dies, andrius is not confirmed

vezokpiraka, though i hate to admit this, is likely not going to be/hasnt been recruited yet and is just a bad town player


shutup, andrius, do not pour salt on a wound asshole

[Furcolow]

i softclaimed blue, then realized i didnt want to be hit in the night, so i tried to fake like i was a townie so i wouldnt be hit
then, i got L-1ed or L-2ed, and I claimed. Not impractical at all. The people who don't believe me are for the most part terrible players

[Furcolow]

@Mod thanks for hosting the game, I had fun, good luck town

[Furcolow]

you did the same thing again this game in 1229
you proved to me this game you have learned NOTHING since then

I know I'm not a shining beacon of a mafia player, as a lighthouse to noobs on how to play properly so they're not shipwrecked, or anything, but at least I have been greatly improving my play in the past 7 months I have been playing mafia. (yes, it is 7 months, i did not start on this website)

[Furcolow]

you still ride wagons on power roles as a power role
sure, to me it confirms you're likely a cop
but, to me, you will be recruited tonight because you are a cop

I wouldnt be surprised if dramonic was killed, you were recruited, then people took you as confirmed idiotically

[Furcolow]

LOL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE SPAMMING? YOU?
ok. that's almost funny.

It is too late, you know it is too late, you should have thought "will my actions hurt the town?" before, not after. That is why i'm saying you have learned nothing as a player. You post a lot less, but you still make the same mistakes i've seen you make a month ago.

[Furcolow]

1) andrius is a cop, dramonic is a bodyguard: mafia know not to hit him
2) andrius is scum, dramonic is a bodyguard: mafia hit dramonic, looks like andrius was hit
3) andrius is scum, dramonic is scum: neither die, it just looks like scum "out-thought" us
4) andrius is a cop, dramonic is scum: scum can either kill a cop, and lose a scum (they wont) or just fake option 3

QFT

Also, remember xvart dismissed the middle options, even though in option 4 it totally WIFOMS option 3


Andrius, would you mind to stop talking, so I can talk with someone who will win the game for the town before I die?
thanks!

[Furcolow]

So the scum are cult like. The only two scums in the game are the two brothers. They get to recruit a player every night. I don't know what else happens if they do this or what is the drawback. I just assume the two brothers are the bad guys. There could be more. The cult like mechanic is there though.

too much information

I have a role. I got to this conclusion by the abilities of my role.
I can claim if I need.

admission of guilt (he's a recruiter)

Furc fucking claimed role cop?
Ad I missed it. I must be stupid.

unvote
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day 1 hammer on a cop