Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[Jack]

Not sure what to make of this...

If anyone sees (or even thinks it's possible) that someone is under a very subtle post restriction please point it out to me. I suck at noticing these things.

[Jack]

Oh and vote

espeonage

[Jack]

No post restriction though?

[Jack]

unvote; vote: Jack

Why are you so interested in finding who, if anyone, has a post restriction?

What the hell man? What do you find suspicious about, I can't imagine.

[Jack]

VOTE: CKD Wagon nao people.

[Jack]

@Espeonage: Hate to sound scummy, but what erges you to say that Jack is town. Isn't it a bit early to defend someone? And wouldn't a bandwagon help the town? You are however, correct in saying that not all power roles have post-restrictions and visa versa.

@Jack why do you want to know about post restrictions? It seems like it wouldn't effect you this early on.

I agree that not all power roles have restrictions, but my point is that it's highly unlikely for a vanilla to have a post restriction, as it just becomes a townie with a negative on it that affects the entire town. Generally if there's a restriction of some kind it's in the form of balancing their role more. Hence why I find it extremely disconcerting.

It's highly unlikely for a vanilla to be not-vanilla? Hard to argue with that!?

[Jack]

Ok, so that was a silly comment. But still.

[Jack]

Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

unvote, vote:Demonhybrid

[Jack]

Not much to say at the moment as it's too early for me to pick up reads on people, however I am curious about your comment :

Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act.

Are you serious? you can definetly confirm that Jack is town by a emoticon or were you taking the piss?

fos:snake

Sounds like you just grabbed this to say something.

[Jack]

Can anyone see a pattern to the order in which looker's post have links/don't have links? Maybe the number of links has something to do with it.

[Jack]

No we're scumbuddies remember.

[Jack]

cooldog I claim scum, I'm scum with espeonage, your move

[Jack]

I also don't like this... I know you are joking but it just makes my scum detector ([patent pending]now if you didn't get it that WAS a joke) go off strongly. I don't see the point of posting that stuff other then to confirm my theory that you (Jack) and ESP are scum buddies. I just don't think these types of posts are pro-town. I would vote you but I like ESP lynch better.

So I posted it to convince you that we really are scumbuddies (scum want to convince you of that?)
You just don't think it's pro town (how is scum revealing themselves not pro town?)

Your arguments assume that we aren't scumbuddies, but rather that I'm town who is acting anti-town.

[Jack]

plissken is scum, trust me.

unvote, vote:SnakePlissken

His justification for his vote sounds like scum justifying their vote.

[Jack]

Unvote, vote:NicolBolas
Jack
Unvote, vote:vezokpiraka
Unvote, vote:curiouskarmadog
Unvote, vote:Stef
Unvote, vote:horrordude0215
Espeonage
Unvote, vote:vollkan
Unvote, vote:CooLDoG
Unvote, vote:Nero Cain
Unvote, vote:zwetschenwasser
Unvote, vote:a2rudeboy
Unvote, vote:Pomegranate
Unvote, vote:Looker
Unvote, vote:PranaDevil
Unvote, vote:DemonHybrid Dr Pepper
Unvote, vote:totallynotmafia







Unvote, vote:SnakePlissken

[Jack]

This reinforces my theory that you...are scum

What a coincidence

Timestamp of cooldogs "suspicion" of me: Post #112 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:33 pm

Time of my vote for cooldog: Post #109 » Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:28 pm

Unvote, vote:CooLDoG

Just a few hours after I vote him, he says I'm scum. How

convenient

For those that aren't aware, this is textbook "omgus": http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Omgus

[Jack]

Unvote, vote:Nero Cain

unvote;vote: Jack

More omgus :rolleyes:

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also I'm seriously concerned by you "I'm on board for lynching all three" including DH who has barely posted. That smells more of scum deciding who he's going to call his suspects than town really looking for mafia.

[Jack]

^^ :rolleyes:

I think I feel better about nero caine than plissken at the moment.

unvote, vote:Nero Caine[/b[

[Jack]

Sorry, messed up the tags

unvote, vote:Nero Caine

[Jack]

No you shouldn't have claimed... I don't think the mod would give scum an extra kill like that, he would just off you to start.

vollkan makes some very good points

[Jack]

well, I don't mind outguessing the mod I guess.

Unfortunately it seems like neither of you have a post restriction.

[Jack]

Wait, tnm talked to you? He hasn't posted here yet. That would qualify as a subtle post restriction...nvm I take it back, you guys are set, I'm not going to full claim but you guys are safe.

[Jack]

Pom is somewhat scummy

[Jack]

DH and prana are being silly.

[Jack]

Sorry, that was kind of an insult

The role name claim doesn't seem important, nor does the refusal.

[Jack]

yeah cooldog is scum

[Jack]

espy wagon is nothing but laziness

[Jack]

espy wagon is nothing but laziness

What the hell?

Can you explain this?

Sorry, don't feel like putting in the work right now.

[Jack]

cooldog needs to die

[Jack]

fos:horror

[Jack]

cooldog is still scum

[Jack]

What's horrordudes case?

[Jack]

espy is only a wagon because he started out as one and scum are sticking with it

Aka cooldog

unvote, vote:cooldog

[Jack]

Do you have a case to back up your opinion?

Dude you've played with me before.

Also, cases come down to opinion anyway.

although it's true I'm not feeling this game much right now.

[Jack]

Nero Caine has not posted here since the 8th (but has posted elsewhere). Several scummy posts from someone with only 8 posts = lynch

unvote, vote:nero caine

Bandwagon PLEASE, and don't ask for a case when it has been made already and it's blindingly obvious why he's scummy if you read his posts.

[Jack]

Nero Caine has not posted here since the 8th (but has posted elsewhere). Several scummy posts from someone with only 8 posts = lynch

unvote, vote:nero caine

Bandwagon PLEASE, and don't ask for a case when it has been made already and it's blindingly obvious why he's scummy if you read his posts.

How can you read my posts if you can't get my name correct?

This is scum trying to discredit a vote on him. Also this is the only thing he posts.

Hey.
Let's lynch CoolDog.
He is probably scum.

unvote vote cooldog.

Why not nero?


vollkan, come baaack. We can get a late run of votes.

[Jack]

THAT'S RIGHT NERO, YOUR DREAMS HAVE BECOME REALITY, MY VOTE ON YOU IS INVALID BECAUSE I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME

BTW I MISSPELLED YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN LURKING HARDCORE AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A POST FROM YOU IN FOREVER

[Jack]

NERO'S VOTE CONFIRMS THAT ESPY IS TOWN, THANKS NERO

dh, what I meant before about the espy wagon being laziness is that people tend to stick on a wagon when it's the biggest just because they believe another wagon won't take off, because they are too small.

BUT nero only has 2 less votes than espy right now. THIS WAGON IS PERFECTLY DOABLE, SWITCH OVER PEOPLE

[Jack]

How does it confirm that Espy is town and Nero isn't bussing hesitantly?

Oh fine. It doesn't look like he's bussing hesitantly, did you just throw that out there because I said "confirmed"?

Switch to nero, put him in the lead!

[Jack]

When I can see if a Nero Cain wagon is plausible, I may switch my vote.

He has like 5 votes, and a couple other people expressed willingness but haven't voted him yet.

[Jack]

pom, switch your vote! gosh. How do we know if we can get one if we don't try?

[Jack]

Nero, don't expect an answer, Jack is trying to save Espy from being lynched by lynching whoever he could make out to be scummy.

I have been voting nero since sep 4th.

I AGAIN ask why we're focusing on null-tells here, one single thing does not make an entire case.

Just because you aren't a gut player...but vollkan isn't either and he had nero as his top. Go read his posts.

[Jack]

hmm hmmm hmmm

prana do you have a completed game as scum you can give me the link to?

[Jack]

stef is absent in my other game too.

[Jack]

lol, cooldog is making a case on nero after the hammer. That's a scum move. Hammer post is scummy too.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:cooldog

a2rudeboy is probably scum as well.

espyToNero wagon shift could be a goldmine, don't feel like looking over it right now.

[Jack]

I was moderately disappointed returning to my living quarters to find Cooldog still amongst the living.

You actively want a quick lynch of someone? Why?

[Jack]

I was moderately disappointed returning to my living quarters to find Cooldog still amongst the living.

and yet you don't add new evidence to the case?

[Jack]

vote:snakeplissken

[Jack]

fos:ckd

[Jack]

Do you usually not finish reading the thread before replying?

[Jack]

that's vollkans playstyle

[Jack]

ckd's not reading the thread stuff sounded fake to me

[Jack]

I did a pbpa on you last page. Skipped that one hmmmmm????

[Jack]

um I think I'LL NEED AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT VOTE CKD WHICH PART IS SCUMMY AND WHY QUIT STALLING

[Jack]

YOU FIRST SCUMBAG..
.
YOUHAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION

[Jack]

no...he claimed because of incorrect result from mod. Don't see scum doing that.

[Jack]

Keep looking...

[Jack]

I don't remember any discussion of snake as a watcher.

[Jack]

oh hi ckd, nice of you to

drop in

[Jack]

I don't suspect ckd...he's almost confirmed town

unvote, vote:a2rudeboy

[Jack]

That doesn't sound like something Snake Plissken would say. "Nothing personal people" ???

[Jack]

Jack seemed moreee... serious when he was a serial killer in my one game...

waiting for you to put 2 and 2 together here...

Also of course I remember you

[Jack]

We've played together like 4 times ckd : (

[Jack]

gosh. When I'm scum I play pro town (or super-lurk). silver does get a prize.

[Jack]

We should just lynch a2rudeboy. pacman possibly a 2nd. Who did he replace?

[Jack]

he made one on vollkan?

[Jack]

So you have no case on me

[Jack]

that's a good point on pacman

and prana is kindof hypocritical there

[Jack]

So now you're passing your vote off as a pressure vote?

[Jack]

I don't think it was a pressure vote.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:prana

[Jack]

lalalalala

[Jack]

I'd really like it if other players would comment on the case and your defense.

I commented already (post 908).

[Jack]

Yeah a lot of LMP's posts are on the short side. Try posting more than two sentences for a change.

[Jack]

sigh

unvote

[Jack]

*twiddles thumbs*

[Jack]

We should start an alternative wagon.

[Jack]

yeah demon was clearly town

[Jack]

The scum are somewhere in here:

antihero (horror)
Silver (nicolbolas)
a2rude
evilpac(vezok)

by poe

[Jack]

well I'm kind of skim reading but pd makes dumb arguments and I think it's easy to misread that as scum. You seem town and ckd has a role which I'm not going to mess with. Snake seems town esp in 966. vollkan seems town. pom is town I guess.

That leaves those 4. Silver may be my top suspect, go iso nicolbolas.

[Jack]

Yeah that "if pd put his vote on it'd be l-1" post was scummy. Who was that a2rudboy?

[Jack]

vote:silverbullet

[Jack]

silver has

almooost

confessed.

[Jack]

ok.

unvote

pom could you expand on your thinking?

[Jack]

*postulates that Red giving the watcher a track result by mistake is because there is a tracker in the game*

*hosuth:snake*

[Jack]

I need to ask a n00b question. Everyone keeps referring to meta? Can I have some clarification on what that is?

As far as voting goes Im going to

vote Jack

as this whole joking around with the scumbuddies thing really is now beyond the point of joking around now. It's now like they are trying to hammer home 'we are scum lol' kind of routine, which actually makes you think well if there joking about it there not, but they quite possibly are? Would that be WIFOM? At the very least deliberately acting anti-town doesn't help the town with it's investigations into rooting out scum, unless of course thats what your trying to do? I think I need to keep a watchful eye on this situation going forward.

Jack doesn't do anything though. Sure he sided with Espy, but he throws so little of anything around how does that make him scum? I know I voted him in the last round but there are others such as previously mentioned CD and then there's you a2 seems to me your indecisiveness is just a way of hedging your bets on who town will follow onto the Wagon and you'll be hopping right on. I think you need a closer looking at in the coming posts.

I need to understand Volkans reasoning on you a bit better, but it hard to concentrate on a train. I think later...

This really sounds like espy's scumbuddy.

vote:snakeplissken

Mafia in mendo had town tracker and scum watcher, the scum watcher was real carefree about claiming early too. I'm betting his early breadcrumb was him being told pregame that it would be a good fakeclaim but that he should breadcrumb it.

[Jack]

Also gut, in appreciation of vollkans new avatar.

[Jack]

let's just lynch snake and then a2 and then we can think about who to lynch after that.

[Jack]

I'm somewhat uncomfortable with you saying "the score chart speaks for itself--> snake is scummier" when you voted silver a couple pages ago.

[Jack]

What I'm not getting is why your all so sure that I'm a scum watcher and silver isn't a scum tracker? Does make me wonder what your real motivations are here?

Does it? Does it make you wonder? That's interesting.

[Jack]

*suggests we all post this way*

[Jack]

@Mod- I am requesting replacement. I cannot handle mafia right now.

Sorry to hear that, Pom. I'll start looking for someone else.

Sorry to hear that too.

You're still the scummiest player alive.

Reading Snake's ISO...

...processing content...

ERROR: Reason for Snake Lynch Not Found

If Snake was a scum watcher, I'm doubting he would share his results. Call it WIFOM if you want, but I don't think scum would spotlight himself like that.

vollkan, can you help me out with understanding this snake wagon?

*ignores post due to lack of proper formatting*

[Jack]

I'd kind of assume roleblocker in which case it doesn't matter.

So can we lynch a2rudeboy today?

lewarch you can just comment on him as far as I'm concerned.

The other scum is either ckd...he never provided an provided an adequate defense to my pbpa, among other things...or pacman, who doesn't have town like suspicions of people.

[Jack]

vollk do you think that bit yesterday where a2rude tried to get prana to join my wagon is evidence of them being scumbuddies? A little buddy directing?

[Jack]

oh yes, that vote 2 posts after disbelieving silverbullet is pretty bad.

[Jack]

I still think we should go with a2rudeboy.

[Jack]

prana do you have any comment on what lewarcher just said?

[Jack]

Who are you planning to vote for? The pbpa does exist, not my fault you "can't find it".

[Jack]

The writeup makes it look like he died by hiding behind silver, but that would have been an obviously awful place to hide. But he seems like a terrible scum kill choice.

@ckd: I guess you never liked "where's waldo"

[Jack]

Prana's arguments are just bad though. That is always hard to judge for me. On the one hand townies make bad arguments and are often lynched for it. On the other hand, scum are more likely to have to make a bad argument.

I suppose we are lynching prana today.

[Jack]

oh what the hell, a2 isn't even trying

vote:a2rudeboy

[Jack]

mafia doctor is also possible. vollkan said it was "too uncertain" or something but I think it is a solid odds increase in favor of a2rude being scum. Simply calculate the % of games with a roleblocker vs those with a role that makes a2rude definite scum.

[Jack]

but "roleblocker" doesn't make a2 town so it's a moot point...even if 10% of games have no roleblocker and some other role, that's a 10% increase in a2 scum. Barring other factors.

[Jack]

prana. Vote a2rudeboy.

I don't like a prana lynch, he's putting too much effort into the game compared to a2.

[Jack]

What do you think about a2rudeboy?

[Jack]

My insider information about post restrictions tells me we should be voting a2rudeboy right now.

I think we went after silver largely thinking about NicolBolas.


l-1 not l-2 hmm?

[Jack]

Yes I know I didn't unvote. I'm voting a2rb. Why would I unvote?

[Jack]

PranaDevil(4) - volkkan, LynchMePls, curiouskarmadog, evilpacman

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch
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L-1

[Jack]

I think ckd is most likely for the second scum after a2rb.

[Jack]

Either that or evilpacman. So yeah, like I said earlier.

[Jack]

Effort is a nulltell.

Always lynch the scummy person who is putting in less effort. People who post more have more chances to post scummy things and to trigger confirmation bias.

[Jack]

Well, I suppose I'll hammer prana soon.

[Jack]

I don't know, the 22 player game I was in had 5 mafia. And there aren't very many town pr's this game, just the vig and tracker really, and a gunsmith who can only find the vig. And the scum seem to have pr's.

[Jack]

Well, I suppose 5 is more likely after all.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:prana

[Jack]

Pom was scummy.