Why do you ask this on your first post??? It would seem that a post restriction would be only noticeable after some time.Jack wrote:Not sure what to make of this...
If anyone sees (or even thinks it's possible) that someone is under a very subtle post restriction please point it out to me. I suck at noticing these things.
@esp: Is that really your response??? And now that I re-read I have never seen anybody be so wishy-washy on page 3! Would you mind try to answer better and answer to this.Espeonage wrote:@ HD: It was for the purpose of seeing reactions either a scumbag trying to get opportunistic or a townie doing something along the vein of what actually happened.
) make you have a very strong "obv town" vibe? Then later you said it is only a vibe, could you answer why your mind changed? Sorry yours went through first, but I must ask you this:SnakePlissken wrote:Not much to say at the moment as it's too early for me to pick up reads on people, however I am curious about your comment :
Are you serious? you can definetly confirm that Jack is town by a emoticon or were you taking the piss?Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act.
Just want to ask Jack this:Jack wrote:Espeonage is making perfectt sense.
unvote, vote:Demonhybrid
You nailed it. I think that the way the two have been acting (just look at their last back-and-forth) they defiantly rank up high on my scum pair list. I would be happy with an esp, or a jack lynch. However, as of late it seems that esp's bandwagon has picked up and it looks like we might be able to put some pressure on him. I really don't like this though:a2rudeboy wrote:@volk-why not throw it out there? just reading through a couple of times, it seems pretty clear to me that the two people who are most closely budding up are jack and esp. they also happen to be the two players that are the most on the defensive now. I’m not sure if I’ve gotten good enough of a read on either yet...but if you asked me to pick my scum pair right now, it would be them.although there is the point about scum trying to stay neutral this early in the game, but being experienced they would know it and could use it as an easy defense if they chose to play it agressive, but... (endless WIFOM tunnel)
That being said.
vote:esp
bandwagongogogo!
Jack wrote:Can anyone see a pattern to the order in which looker's post have links/don't have links? Maybe the number of links has something to do with it.
Espeonage wrote:Jack are you some sort of search for such-and-such player role? Or a lyncher with an unknown target?
Jack wrote:No we're scumbuddies remember.
I really don't like the way those bolded parts read. Even if they are joking about it the rapid back and forth just gets my scum meter ticking up-ward.Espeonage wrote:Oh wait, forgot about that.
I call the epic chainsaw def. Sorry I just couldn't help itvollkan wrote:1) Where is the evidence for Jack buddying up to Esp?a2rudeboy wrote: @volk- why not throw it out there? just reading through a couple of times, it seems pretty clear to me that the two people who are most closely buddying up are jack and esp. they also happen to be the two players that are the most on the defensive now. i'm not sure if i've gotten good enough of a read on either yet...but if you asked me to pick my scumpair right now, it would be them. although there is the point about scum trying to stay neutral this early in the game, but being experienced they would know it and could use it as an easy defense if they chose to play it agressive, but... (endless WIFOM tunnel)
2) Would it change your view of that evidence if I informed you that Jack's meta (from what I have seen of him, which has been quite a bit recently) is to play somewhat tongue-in-cheek?
What is scummy about a rapid back-and-forth?CD wrote: I really don't like the way those bolded parts read. Even if they are joking about it the rapid back and forth just gets my scum meter ticking up-ward.
Also, if you accept that they are bolded about the joking (and it's pretty obvious that they are), then what's your problem with "the way those bolded parts read"?
See above - this really is meta-consistent for Jack.a2rudeboy wrote:See. It's stuff like this and that exchange earlier that make me think that I would stand by a lynch on either of you guys, even if you turned up town. Because, at this point, if you aren't scum, you surely aren't pro-town (and it's not as if it's in your meta to play the VI) And that's enough of a reason for me.Jack wrote:cooldog I claim scum, I'm scum with espeonage, your move
Golly gosh! VotingNC wrote: vote: DemonHybird
All the guy does is vote and then goes V/LA.andgoing on VLA! He must be scum!
. But the definition of the new chain saw def is: A player defending another player by attacking that players attacker. So that fits the bill. Also jokes are almost never really jokes. I don't let anything slide as "just joking!!! lolz!!!". I don't understand this post though. Why did you attack ESP and then not vote him?Nero Cain wrote:CKD deserves anFOSuntil he explains himself berrter.
ESP ISO 3 is bad.
ESP ISO 9 is WIFOM
vote: DemonHybird
All the guy does is vote and then goes V/LA.
I also don't like this... I know you are joking but it just makes my scum detector ([patent pending]now if you didn't get it that WAS a joke) go off strongly. I don't see the point of posting that stuff other then to confirm my theory that you (Jack) and ESP are scum buddies. I just don't think these types of posts are pro-town. I would vote you but I like ESP lynch better.Jack wrote:cooldog I claim scum, I'm scum with espeonage, your move
Sorry I missed this... I do have a few:Espeonage wrote:I also reckon that CKD should get his free time. and claim at the end of the day. He isn't getting lynched at this stage so what is the rush?
@ Pom: I get called Espy all the time so sure you can. Also Karma was a badly played game by me. I was noob throught the whole start of that.
No quicklynch is going to be happening here. You guys need 10 to lynch me. Not going to happen too soon I hope.
Anhy new questions for me?
Epic stupid... now may I ask you how this is pro-town? And what about that OMGUS? This reinforces my theory that you and esp are scum...Jack wrote:Unvote, vote:NicolBolas
Jack
Unvote, vote:vezokpiraka
Unvote, vote:curiouskarmadog
Unvote, vote:Stef
Unvote, vote:horrordude0215
Espeonage
Unvote, vote:vollkan
Unvote, vote:CooLDoG
Unvote, vote:Nero Cain
Unvote, vote:zwetschenwasser
Unvote, vote:a2rudeboy
Unvote, vote:Pomegranate
Unvote, vote:Looker
Unvote, vote:PranaDevil
Unvote, vote:DemonHybrid Dr Pepper
Unvote, vote:totallynotmafia
Unvote, vote:SnakePlissken
I don't like this, because not responding to a direct question/adress is not pro-town.Espeonage wrote:I didn't feel like I needed to comment.
This seems kinda scummy, again not answering to a direct question, and for aparent;y no reason ether.CKD wrote:well kids, you are not getting it...you got a problem with that vote me....
With this said ether the role name tells us they are scum, or lets a think they are scum, or even more their role says they can't say that name...pom wrote:Sorry, but that is an -opinion-.
Ether he is really scummy, or he is telling the truth.CKD wrote:if you knew you would understand....my neighbor and I are vig-like..not vigs....I dont need to tell you if we are two shot, unlimited shot, etc...i dont need to tell you any other part of the mechanic, which is in the name...so no, it is not pro-town...so back the fuck off....if you think i am scummy for not telling you..vote me or move on.
at this point, you are looking scummy for role fishing...keep in mind, i didnt have to tell you jack.
ESP wrote:I agree that we should lynch one of the meighbours and that it should be from the second pair. But I think it should be zwet other than Pom. It was unneccessary for him to claim. He could be jumping on to the townieness in which case both are scum or he claimed because he is the scum member of the pair when the town half wouldn't claim in that position unless they were stupid. I hardly think zwet is stupid (yet) and so I think he would be better to lynch than Pom.
You seem to be lurking (like me...) And the it seems like the second one of the town votes espy you unvote...DH wrote:Zwit is a "meighbours" too. Why switch?
reading down farther DH picked up on it too.This seems a bit unfairly balanced to me... First you say you're going to compare ALL of the neighbors, and then you only talk about two of them, clearly favoring one over the other.HRD wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:
Now, which one of those 4 are the most scummy?
Take a look back: here's CKD who's hanging onto the mystery of the shot-count for dear life. Do you think that's scummy, to not give that information over to scum when town doesn't need it now, or townly? He's also pretty brash and proactive this game, provoking those who want to screw up whatever plan he has.
Here's Pomegranate, who's been under the radar, passive in her views and soft-defended by Espy (someone who REALLY should be lynched either now or later). She is also one of the neighbors (who never wanted to be outed, by the way; I've been in plenty of games where scum neighbors did not want to be outed), which gives her just as much of a chance of being scum as CKD does but is more likely due to composure differences.
Now, who do you go for?
Unvote for now... Esp has answered the questions I wanted him to already.
Don't like the many votes/unvotes going on with you.HRD wrote:Unvote, Vote: Looker
No, I was just posting that in my most un-readable language called CDawg speak in order for me to look at later.DemonHybrid wrote:Cooldog, if you were asking me a question, you gotta redo your post, man. I can hardly read that.
Why is ESP scummy now? I personally think he is for reasons that I/town have already said earlier.vezokpiraka wrote:Cause Espy is scummy now.
SS didn't post so she is not scummy now. I will switch my vote if she posts something scummy.
Are you implying that you and Vez are buddies?Looker wrote:?
Are you trying to get me killed?
why? Thats all I have to say to thatJack wrote:cooldog needs to die
.horrordude0215 wrote:Screw it, I'm gonna take it.
Noted.vozokpiraka wrote:I have reads.
I just don't post them day 1.
I'm sorry, I thought you didn't post your reads on D1?Horrordude is scum guys.
This does not invalidated his reads or reasons
And what have YOU done lately?He is not doing anything here guys.
This does not invalidated his reasons on you. Just because he doesn't post much doesn't mean his reasons are invalid. Your point is a logical fallacy, which I am too lazy to get my ass of this chair and look up its name in my logic book. However, if you do nothing, you are still doing nothing independently from what other people are doing.
I like fishing! What are we going for? Bass or Salmon? Seriously though, how am I fishing?Jut setup speculating in hope of fishing.
I don't see you as fishing actually, however I would like an explanation, some quotes plz Vozo...
I'm gonna see if I can look at your meta really quickly before I decide if you're a VI or not, though.
That boarders on omgus as well as (sorta) this next post:
I don't like the tone of that above post. I want to let ESP post his post before I fully make up my mind on weather or not to vote for you. I have a little bit (lets say a big) gut-tell on you. As Well as other reasons, which I think, I have posted/commented.horrordude0215 wrote:...Huh? Does someone else wanna cover that post or should I?
(I hope thats some sort of emote over there...) I am going to look really bad for this, but I woke up really late this morning so I can't give my full reasons, but this above post sums most of my reasons up in his own words. The above is sooo scumy it begs me to vote for him. I'm concerned with how fast this wagon built up so fast though. if he flips town, then look at who is on this wagon, there WILL BE SCUM. for now though he's a good day-1 lynchNero Cain wrote:Gah!!!
Stop defending me Prana.
I'm all for my lynch. I mean the mafia is not going to kill me 'cause I'm "scummy" since I chose to lurk until I had something to add. So I found the game boring...definitely a scum tell. So each day that I live the mafia are going to use me as a distraction and say that I still could be scum.
I'm pretty disappointed in SS and Pom...I don't quite understand them. I mean what the hell am I supposed to do?Hey guys I'm not scum, here's my pm.'Cause really that's the only way anyone is going to believe anything.
Deflection is not a defense!!!, yells the fruit.
Isn't that the whole point of the game? Person A says XXX is scummy 'cause ____ Person B says this person is scummy 'cause ____ so on and so forth until a vote is met.
I find in rather pathetic that I'm scummier than Jack and Espy but w/e.
All I can say is that I'm 100% VT and maybe tomorrow you guys can actually scum hunt.
) points, and most of the town (and most if not all scum) was in support. Thus I hammered. ok off to vollken. I will most likly not be able to post on his case till later...LynchMePls wrote:Hate to sound scummy!? I bet you do. That statement is so bad. First off, what about those questions make you sound scummy?CooLDog wrote:@Espeonage: Hate to sound scummy, but what erges you to say that Jack is town. Isn't it a bit early to defend someone? And wouldn't a bandwagon help the town? You are however, correct in saying that not all power roles have post-restrictions and visa versa.
@Jack why do you want to know about post restrictions? It seems like it wouldn't effect you this early on.
at the time everybody seemed pro-Jack and I thought the statement was slightly out of taste at that time in the game. Looking back though you are correct there doesn't seem to be any reason for that "scummy" line in threre.
Second, why do you hate to sound scummy?
Because I as a townie don't wish to be lynched. Simple as that read my sig. But, if you think about it you guys are wasting a perfictly good lynch on me which you could be useing on some one else who is scum. I don't want to make myself seem scummy if I'm town...
If you recognize that saying it is scummy, then why say it?
Because I wanted to ask a question which I, at the time, would be taken as scummy sounding. I also wanted to clarify that it might seem to be scummy at first but on later reflection (aka now) it would seem town.
Is there a town reason to say it?
Yes, I think I have answered that above. If not then I will answer again here. I was simply making a statement that at the time I thought was scummy sounding. I wanted to ask it anyway thus I wanted to let people know that the comment might sound slightly off-color.
If so, then why is it scummy?
Ok, I have answered this many times above...
DOES NOT COMPUTE!
I think it does.
Also, the question to Jack can be read as role fishing.
EXACTLY!!!! It comes off as slightly off-color doesn't it? But it was a question which I wanted an answer, I wanted the answer to base my reads on him and esp.
Why do you want to know what Jack's concern is with post restrictions?
Because he's role fishing? I wanted an answer to that.This reads like a bus to me. How would it help the town if it went far but not necessarily to a lynch?CooLDog wrote:@esp, I feel a good bandwagon coming on. It would help the town if this could go far (not necessarily to a lynch though. However, if you continue to play like you do it might just do so).vote esp
Deadline buddy boy. No one would have gone for an esp lynch if nero was at L-1 with almost no time left. I thought nero was an ok lynch for d-1 thus I took the hammer and pounded.
If you think he is scum, why wouldn't you want it to end in a lynch?
Exactly! I did wantt it to end in a lynch, but the wagon stoped, and if you looked back nothing would have kept it moving, thus I saw horror who still looks slightly scummy. So I hoped on his wagon. That in turn got no place, and thus I settled for Nero as a day-1 lynch.
If you think he is town, why vote him at all?
I never thought esp is town if thats what your asking. I think he is/was scun ever since he was buddying with Jack. I never realy thought Nero was for sure scum. However, he was hard-core lurking and his play wasn't the most pro-town. It was also the only wagon that could go any whare.You had been pushing esp as scum the whole of D1 (which is interesting all by itself given the flip) so what exactly was your problem with Vezo agreeing with you?CooLDog wrote:Why is ESP scummy now? I personally think he is for reasons that I/town have already said earlier.
And Isn't being lurky scummy?
BIG PROBLEM. Did he give any reasons for his vote? Only you and vollken havve given real reasons for your vote on me. I was making sure he wasn't trying to bus esp. I also think that note giving reasons is scummy.
I don't understand why you would push so hard for someones lynch and then start questioning people when they agree with you and start voting.
read above
CooLDog wrote:Are you implying that you and Vez are buddies? fos: Looker. How could he get you killed?
I hate to keep opening up an old wound but Jack is active lurking, but I Don't think he is now worth a lynch over Looker or Esp.You called Looker scum. Why do you then question zwet's scum read of Looker?CooLDog wrote:@zwet, why is looker scum?
really the same as above. I think case-building is very pro-town. And a lack of reasons for a vote is very scummy. I wanted reasons for votes that is all. If that an't pro town then we both look very scummy...You spent pretty much all of D1 calling esp scum, but then at the last minute you help derail that wagon and go after Nero.CooLDog wrote:I am going to look really bad for this, but I woke up really late this morning so I can't give my full reasons, but this above post sums most of my reasons up in his own words. The above is sooo scumy it begs me to vote for him. I'm concerned with how fast this wagon built up so fast though. if he flips town, then look at who is on this wagon, there WILL BE SCUM. for now though he's a good day-1 lynch unvote, vote nero chain (NC) Sorry I can't post any more but I did wake up really late...
complete repeat question. I will answer it again. THE ESP WAGON WAS GOING NO WHARE. And I thought nero was an okay lynch for d-1. No ideal but mearly okay, the esp wagon couldn't have gone to lynch at that point in time.
Explain please. This makes no sense.
done, done, and done
This post just creeps me out.CooLDog wrote:I might not be able to post much as of late but, I will be happy to answer all of your questions.
@a2, Well I don't have much time to post yet the prod date is set a 24-hours. If the prod date was a little less strict it would be fine. Having to post content back0to0back days is challenging for my schedule. I also have a lot of trouble keeping up with large games as opposed to small ones. I think this will be the last large game I'll play (unless I play one over the summer...).
I will answer all of your questions to the best of my ability, I am town thus I have nothing to fear.
fine, but why, reasons again. I'm true to my word though I am giving you answers.Yes you would. It would only look worse if you bussed him so long and then let it drop without ever brining it up. Once you committed to it you couldn't just give it up. Also, if you were always for an espy lynch, then why derail his wagon at the last minute and vote NC?CooLDog wrote:Simple, I would like a horror dude lynch, But I would like a Jack lynch over a horror, for his buddy up with esp.
And because no one has yet to put out a case. The only argument for my lynch this day is that I have a tight schedule. I would also like to note that I was always for a esp lynch. If I was scum I wouldn't have bused him so early in the game, and held onto it for so long.
all at once now guys: ESP WAGON WASN'T GOING TO GO TO LYNCH! that pretty much combined with the other things I have said answers this. Ohh, if you do need clarification I can give you more.
I do have to say though, after the ISO and given Espeonage's flip, I'm actually not so sure about CoolDog anymore. It's weird because when I was reading after I replaced in he felt really scummy to me, but now that I ISO, given the espy lynch, it asks a lot of WIFOM about whether or not scum would bus a buddy so hard. However, given the fact that Esp's scum faction had a name, we could be dealing with 2 different scum groups, in which case CD could be scum and still be scum hunting.
