Mini 1045: M&L:BIS! Game Over

[Calcifer]

Vote: CMAR

for leaving the site.

Unvote, Vote: Katsuki

Because you suck

A policy lynch on shotty should be considered, but he's more likely to massively scum-slip if he's left alive, (see Newbie 981 and GhostBusters Mafia) so we've got him either way.

[Calcifer]

VOTE: Katsuki that avatar disturbs me.

Meta note: Every time DMSIS and I play in the same game, one of us will be largely responsible for the other's lynch. It just always happens.

Scumbuddy distancing.

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XD
So you're saying that we should policy lynch you if DMSIS flips town? Sounds good. [/sarcasm]
I'm against mass-policy lynching.

[Calcifer]

Oh, I still hate you andrius.

Hello, I'm a one-shot Vig who didn't kill my #1 scumread for two f***ing days. Way to be pro-town man. If you're a one-shot Vig here you will use your Vig shot BEFORE you claim.

So calc is an andy alt?

Not an alt, a hydra account. Calcifer has played in Troll Mafia and this game. See Calcifer's Wiki (which is managed by Andy) for more info.

Love you too Andy ♥

Nice to have you back, dude.

Ok. So we've got obv_scum within jimfinn/DMSIS, and possibly in Katsuki/gandalf. I like this game already.

I'm waiting for something that I'm expecting from flavor... but I'm not 100% sure... [/flavor speculation]

[Calcifer]

@Andrius: Ever considered someone blocked me? Granted, I hate playing with IK, but he was 100% scum meta that game. Plus, I was only there for 1 night. Also, I never did go back and look at roles, who was who?
I will not talk about that game further though, since I hated that game with a passion from the start. To me, it does not exist.

I whole-heartedly agree.
I was a VT, and almost claimed Cop D4. XD
MoI was VT.
If there was an investigative role, one of the lurker-spots had it. :/

[Calcifer]

Blah blah blah blah past games.

My hydra head's vote is good, just not for the right reasons.

I'm willing to push this to a lynch. I am also willing to sacrifice myself for a lynch D2 if I'm wrong with this lynch.

[Calcifer]

The policy lynch vote. Katsuki has never voted for a policy lynch in any of his other games, save for one where he jokingly suggested one when he replaced in. So, I think that it's fairly obvious that Kat is scum just looking for a quick and easy bandwagon in the RVS. In addition, we can toss in the fact that two of the players in the game have a vendetta against him, and we'll leave ourselves less open to scum manipulation by cutting the link now.

@Framm: That's a horrible reason for a vote. Why does gandalf being in your first three games on this site make him anymore likely to be scum?

[Calcifer]

Just because it's early doesn't mean you can't put good reasoning behind a vote.

Why do you disagree with my Katsuki vote?

[Calcifer]

[Andy]

Gandalf and CMAR need to vote Katsuki. Scum lynch D1 please. DMSIS, if he is scum, won't be able to win against us if we whack the scumbuddies now.

There's no point in trying to lynch scum because it's early in the game? False sir.

QFT. Now, vote Katsuki.

[Calcifer]

I was saying that no one at this point has voted for someone, based on knowledge from this game.

Not true. Our vote on Katsuki is now based on in-game content.

And Muffin you can't really policy lynch DMSIS. He just IS scummy, and therein lynched. Its not really a policy, it just happens.

Calc is funny boy. Would you also like to point out the other person who has a vendetta against me?

ITT we learn that scum_Katsuki does not read the thread.
More votes please.

Framm 18 is scumbuddy to Katsuki for trying to subtly discredit votes on his buddy? Maybe.

YES WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT VOTING KATSUKI. READ THE THREAD.

[Calcifer]

You realize that exactly half the game has posted, and you're claiming to have found scum? Oh, I see your "reasoning" now. 1. Have you ever played with shotty? 2. Have you ever played in a game with shotty with other people who have played with shotty?

You mean half the players have posted, yes?

I have played with DMSIS in:
Newbie 981 - Lynched Shotty_Scum D1
Open 239 - ON-GOING

And I watched him from the Green Room in:
Ghostbusters Mafia - I reviewed the game, and watched from the Green Room

DMSIS is not good enough to destroy the town by himself. We lynch Katsuki now, there's one buddy gone.

[Calcifer]

You realize that exactly half the game has posted, and you're claiming to have found scum? Oh, I see your "reasoning" now. 1. Have you ever played with shotty? 2. Have you ever played in a game with shotty with other people who have played with shotty?

Why do we need all the players to post before we find scum?

[Calcifer]

CMAR, voting =/= quicklynching. Don't worry, once we put pressure on this scum, he'll start to slip more obviously for the rest of you.

[Calcifer]

Ain't it great that Katsuki's calling us scum without even voting for us?
Can anyone else say Cognitive Dissonance?

[Calcifer]

ITT we learn:
Katsuki doesn't know basic grammar.
Katsuki claimed Mario?

[Calcifer]

Unvote, Vote: Katsuki

[Calcifer]

The unvote/revote was for effect.

Anyone else want to earn some brownie points?

[Calcifer]

lol @ CMAR. XD

Votecount would be nice, Ani.

[Calcifer]

Is there anything you would like to provide for us Calciscum? Or are you just gonna keep going with the "everyone follow me and vote kat cuz kat "never" policy votes ppl even though that's not true" shtick?

Prove us wrong, then. THAT shouldn't be too difficult of a task... right?

[Calcifer]

Actually, Kat. Don't prove us wrong. Let us prove your wrong. Here's a COMPLETE list of completed games you were in:

Newbie 955 Kat was town. Opened up the RVS with some generic SE stuff, then votes someone for not participating in the RVS.
DNA Evidence Kat was town. Defended himaself first, then voted DJ for a creepy avatar.
Newbie 949 Kat was town. Voted for the Mod.
Prison Mafia Kat was town, replaced in. Jokingly suggests a policy lynch of IH.
Mafia War Kat was town. Votes mod again.

So nope, no policy votes there.

[Calcifer]

I don't like how quickly this wagon has run up... there is scum on it... especially considering that six of twelve players have posted and four of those are voting for kat.
Calcifer: we have (well one of your heads and I) similar experienc with docwhosiwhatsit, and I agree, if he is scum he will slip, but if he is town he will also scumslip... so he will be lynched either way, so why not get it out of the way D1? Option one, we hit scum D1 and move on to d2, option 2, we myslynch but get rid of an incredibly anti-town player.

This is one policy lynch I am down with...
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

WE. ARE. NOT. LYNCHING. DMSIS. NOW. Tomorrow, maybe.
Katsuki is today. DMSIS cannot run a scumgroup by himself.
There is scum on almost every wagon, so go ahead and get on this one. Katsuki is the superior lynch.
WE ARE NOT LYNCHING DMSIS NOW. AGAIN FOR EFFECT. DMSIS CLAIMED SCUM IN GHOSTBUSTERS MAFIA.
Its only a matter of time.

And did you miss the fact that KATSUKI CLAIMED MARIO. AND HE DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A JOKE. OBV_SCUM. LYNCH.

[quote="Option one, we hit scum D1 and move on to d2, option 2, we myslynch but get rid of an incredibly anti-town player.[/quote]
HORRID. SCUM_LYNCH IS ALWAYS SUPERIOR TO ANTI-TOWN LYNCH.

FoS: mothrax

[Calcifer]

Tag fail.
Also, mothrax is #1 scumbuddy to Katsuki ATM.

[Calcifer]

So because I am not voting the way you want me to I am scummy? I saw the softclaim, and I saw the pressure as a response, but I don't feel comfortable putting someone at l-2 with 5 people still to post when I don't have a strong read on them. Opportunistic scum would love this to end in a quicklynch. And I am not going to vote for them because you tell me that this isn't the way they play, especially when others are saying otherwise.

Because you are voting for a policy lynch over a real lynch, yes, you are scummy. Because you ignored our case on kat and STILL tried to go through with the same policy lynch he was trying to push, yes, you are scummy.

If scum quicklynch at L-2, then that means we've lost 1 townie in exchange for netting 2 scum, which is something I can definitely live with. Can't you?

That's not the only reason we're telling you to vote.

[Calcifer]

I don't like how quickly this wagon has run up... there is scum on it... especially considering that six of twelve players have posted and four of those are voting for kat.

Where are the scum? Why do you disagree with the vote?

I also have experience with Shotty. He replaced in, nailed scum, got nightkilled. I disapprove of policy lynched because 1) they don't give people a chance to improve, 2) they rarely hit scum, 3) they're lazy, and 4) they lynch anti-town over scum. Now, if you'd like to explain why a Shotty policy lynch will actually be BENEFICIAL to the town (I mean, if you didn't want to play with him, maybe you shouldn't of signed up for the game), then I'll listen. Otherwise, I'll need some reasons for why you're still stuck voting in the RVS and deciding to ignore our legitimate vote completely.

[Calcifer]

And I am not going to vote for them because you tell me that this isn't the way they play, especially when others are saying otherwise.

I'm not telling you. I'm SHOWING you. I'm giving you solid proof. So disprove it, or don't say things like this, okay?

[Calcifer]

Kat: I was giving you a chance to respond to your softclaim, but since that didn't happen:
UNVOTE: VOTE: Katsuki

IN OTHER NEWS, I AGREE WITH MOTHRAX THAT THERE IS SCUM ON MY WAGON.

Now there is scum.

The other half of the hydra is so much more articulate than me. He makes me proud.

[Calcifer]

Yeah, mothrax calls out scum on Katsuki's wagon, but doesn't name them or even vote anyone on the wagon.
He tries to divert the wagon onto DMSIS as an alternative lynch.

Scumbuddy has been found for Katsuki. Next please?

[Calcifer]

Ah moth didn't get the zwet reference.

REACTIONS ARE FUN!

P-EDIT: MOTH IS EITHER NOOB TOWN OR SCUM.

CALC HAS YET TO PROVIDE ANYTHING OTHER THAN FAIL EVIDENCE OF POLICY LYNCH.

[Andy]

mothrax is your scumbuddy.
And for anyone wondering if claiming "Mario" is an insta-town move, read HARRY POTTER MAFIA. 'Nuff said.

Its not fail evidence. Its Katsuki-is-scum evidence. More votes please.

And I'd love to see my Ex-Mason Buddy play with me here. *coughcoughTheLongingcough*
predit: I won't fall for a mislynch, because we won't mislynch. Katsuki D1, mothrax D2. 2/3 scum = NAILED.

[Calcifer]

And I just noticed this is like a little Newbie 981 reunion, with mothrax, Andy, Tangion, DMSIS, etc.

[Calcifer]

that is why I joined actually... all we need is willows...
please tell me how you know there are three scum? I don't see anything that says as such.

In most 12 player games there are on average 3 scum.
[Andy]
Don't try to make a case on me for thinking that there are 3 scum. That's newb-scum. I'd like to think you're better than that.

And yeah, I've joined games just to play with people before.

[Calcifer]

Wasn't trying to make a case, just calling it as I see it... as for most, it depends on balance too... I have played several with 2 scum and a few with 4, but those had really op towns...

Read Greek Mythology. Everyone had 2 PRs. 4 scum.
Everyone was really over-powered, it was great.

[Calcifer]

1. INCLUDING NEWBIE GAMES AS PROOF FOR "LACK OF POLICY VOTES" IS LAUGHABLE.

Why is this? In Newbie games, people actually play smart, and they don't tend to do things they know are blatantly anti-town. You know, like policy-voting?

2. YOUR ORIGINAL POINT WAS WITH ME POLICY VOTING SHOTTY, AND THE FACT THAT I "NEVER" POLICY VOTE. YET, SHOTTY IS ONLY IN ONE OF THOSE GAMES, AND THAT WAS MY FIRST TIME PLAYING WITH HIM TOO.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING. YOU MADE A BUNCH OF POLICY VOTES ON SHOTTY AROUND THE SAME TIME. IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME YOU'RE COVERING FOR YOUR SCUM GAME IN ONE OF THEM.

Responding to jim last post, soft-claiming being completely pro-town? Not really. Blatently anti-town? Definately not.

Nope. Blatantly anti-town. Hell, I'd even call it scummy. You could've drawn a counterclaim from the REAL Mario, who might be our doctor, cop, vig etc, and out him for the scum to pick off. If you don't call THAT blatantly anti-town, then I honestly don't know what is.

Calcifer: Still probably scum, terrible case and so called evidence re: "Kat 'never' policy votes". Gandalf has already stated in this thread that that is not true. Still has yet to explain how that is "kat-is-scum" evidence too, just constantly flings around "kat is scum".

So... your case on us is that we're attacking you...?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Jim, Kat already tried to vote for us in his pre-votecount post.

If anything, I would be willing to put my neck in the noose D2 if we lynch Calc today.

Nice try, scum. But we're not settling for anything less than a Day 1 scum lynch.

[Calcifer]

@Ani: I love the new avatar. It reminds me that we need prods sent out on about half of the game

[Calcifer]

I find mallowgeno's, Tangion's, Costume Party's, Framm 18's lack of posts disturbing...

[Calcifer]

If it weren't for y'alls aggressiveness this early, I would have probably already voted for you.

Could you explain this, please?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CMAR All but two (maybe three) of his posts have been fluff as of right now.

Why CMAR specifically? There are a few more people who have been fluffposting more than he has.

Also, why do you disagree with the Kat vote?

[Calcifer]

I would still like to you to point out where you are getting that idea, I have never indicated one way or another on that vote. I won't vote for him right now, so there is no "oops, I didn't know he was at L-1." votes.

Well, when you vote someone else other than the person most under scrutiny right now without even commenting on his wagon, I assume that you disapprove of the vote/are avoiding commenting on it.

Funny. No one policy votes in a newbie game because you are playing with newbies and hence setting an example.

...an example of how to play correctly; thus, you don't do things like policy lynch or no-lynch on Day 1 because it's inherrantly anti-town.

If around the same time = span over a month, then sure. I have been making policy votes on shotty for a month now. You are trying to turn an irrelevant thing into a scum tell, when it would be a WIFOM or a null-tell AT BEST.

How is it irrelevant? Policy lynches are EXTREMELY easy for scum to hid behind and consistantly hurt the town. That's not WIFOM, that's not a null-tell.

[Calcifer]

Aw Kat, you want a full case? Here you go, even though I'm probably still wasting my breath.

You piggy-backed onto a policy vote. Policy lynches are inherrantly anti-town (I've explained why, you haven't rebutted any of it yet), and the fact that you piggy-backed onto another's policy lynch means that it required no conscious thought whatsoever. The fact that you haven't policy-voted in any of the games you've been confirmed town in, which is the part you simply LOVE to focus on, is just icing on the scum-cake.

You soft-claimed Mario when you were at L-5. I see no reason for any PROTOWN PLAYER to softclaim what I presume to be an important powerrole on Page 3 of a game, especially since you were only at L-5 at the time. I can see scum doing that, however, softclaiming such a presumably pro-town role is a quick and cheap way to push votes off you without having to fake any abilities whatsover.

Instead of properly defending yourself, you have simply said that "we have no case", called us scum, and proceeded to form one of the most blatant OMGUS tunnels I've ever seen. I mean, you never follow up with any of your other scum reads, and they're pretty much just weak one-liners anyway. This is doubly scummy because you are under pressure; instead of refuting our case, you simply try to discount it by calling us scum.


Your move, scum.

[Calcifer]

^^ 100% of games we've been in together

Would you like to catch-up post now, or would you rather just vote Katsuki and move on with life?
Either way, you should vote Katsuki.

[Calcifer]

We're pushy because we've found scum and are ready to lynch him. Join the wagon Shotty. You're the #2 wagon anyway, because people want to policy lynch you for being you. That's unfair.

[Calcifer]

We're pushy because we've found scum and are ready to lynch him. Join the wagon Shotty. You're the #2 wagon anyway, because people want to policy lynch you for being you. That's unfair.

Now you are being really pushy and threatening me. If he flips town your ass is dead

unvote
vote: kat

I'm not threatening you. I'm stating the facts. Multiple players entered the game with a RVS vote on you or intent to vote you.

Katsuki, time to claim.

[Calcifer]

If around the same time = span over a month, then sure. I have been making policy votes on shotty for a month now. You are trying to turn an irrelevant thing into a scum tell, when it would be a WIFOM or a null-tell AT BEST.

How is it irrelevant? Policy lynches are EXTREMELY easy for scum to hid behind and consistantly hurt the town. That's not WIFOM, that's not a null-tell.

By that logic, gandalf would be scum too, as he policy votes shotty too.

Your original argument was that I never policy-voted. Now you change direction and are trying to turn a GENERAL thing I do at the beginning of every game (with shotty) into a GAME-SPECIFIC scum-tell (in this case, for this game). Going along with the scum philosophy you have for policy votes, then it would mean that I am scum in every game I play. Unless you argue that in every game I policy-vote shotty I'm scum, then your argument of me being scum for policy-voting in THIS game is irrelevant and proves nothing.

And here you go, saying things like this. But I'm not in any other games with you. Hell, those games don't even exist to me. So, my original attack is legitimate. It may be a weak attack, but it's still legitimate. The important part was your reaction to it all- flailing, flailing, and more flailing. So. If you want to try to refute my ENTIRE case against you by picking on the RVS attack that started it all, go ahead. It won't work though, and this is because it's a transparent scum tactic- nitpick against the weakest part of the case, and ignore the rest of it. And because it is such, I will ignore any more attempts at this for the rest of the game. Now, if you want our vote off you, try actually defending yourself. Show us where we went wrong, and stop with the fluffposting/deflection bullshit, okay? Okay.

[Calcifer]

StrangerCoug replaces Tangion.

[Andy]
I'm excited.

Katsuki still needs to claim.

[Calcifer]

I am Mario, the mason sibling.

Something interesting happens if I get NK'ed. Does not apply to lynch.

Where's Luigi to defend this claim?
"Something interesting?" Is it like, bad or what?

[Calcifer]

Ummm... what is a mason sibling...?

[Calcifer]

I would rather Calc lynch, but I hope that was not a soft-claim for Luigi.

?

[Calcifer]

I would rather Calc lynch, but I hope that was not a soft-claim for Luigi.

SLIP! If you were a mason with him, you would know who Luigi is!

unvote, vote Katsuki

FINALLY

something that makes an ounce of sense against Katsuki.

UNVOTE: Calcifer
VOTE: Katsuki
Goodbye.

THAT, my friends, is rolefishing at its finest. Trying to out both Mario and Luigi at the same time. XD
Goodbye, Katsuki. And really? Mason brothers? That's about as bad as claiming Beloved Princess.

Someone drop the hammer on this sucka'. He'll flip scum fo' sho'.

[Calcifer]

Either:
A) CC'er is not yet posting
B) Mario was a fakeclaim for scum, and scum_Katsuki was looking for a town PR in exchange for his own life

But even if he was CC'd, Katsuki would still get the lynch. You don't claim a mason and then NOT know who your partner is. You don't claim Mason Sibling (which is as bad as Beloved Princess). I'd have a serious talk with Ani if sibling masons were in this game.

[Calcifer]

For A), it'd have to be mallowgeno, CSL, or Costume Party.
So.
HAMMERFALL.

[Calcifer]

vote kat

calc you are going down if you are wrong

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Beloved Princesses DO suck. GEEZ. They got me and my mason-buddy killed in Harry Potter Mafia.
Unless you're refering to an on-going game. Then I'd direct you to the dead QT you already have, so.

[Calcifer]

I blame SC for killing us.
Whatever. Good game SC and Katsuki.