Open 245 - Mini Love - Scum win!

[ZeroFang]

/conformatory

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Vote: Zed

because her name is easier to spell. Obvscum tell.

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VOTE: Tasky
Your avatar creeps me out.

Why dost thou piss on Iron Maiden? This man shall pay for his heresy!

[ZeroFang]

I'm gonna kickstart the game a bit, and toss in some RQS.

Awesome. They're oh-so useful

1. Lynch all lurkers?

Depends why they're lurking

2. Lynch all liars?

Depends why they're lying.

3. RQS or RVS and why?

RQS. I fucking hate RQS, but it starts the game off faster for some reason.

4. Favorite previous game?

I don't have one

[ZeroFang]

So how about this. We stop talking about RVS/RQS and actually get on with the game. I like that idea.

[ZeroFang]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit

I hate you, but it worked.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Battousai

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See Battousai, you want him out of the game whether or not he's scum. Townies don't care who's an ass or not. They want to hunt scum. If he's ruining the game for you, you can ask him to be nice, ask him to replace out (which you have), or replace out yourself. Don't vote people just because they piss you off. That's worse than OMGUS voting, and it's scummy.

[ZeroFang]

I apologize to you all for defending Andrew. I'm deeply sorry.

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And that, sir, is why you fail.

[ZeroFang]

So you're claiming me treacherous lover?

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Is there a doctor in this game?

The game is open. RTFT.

[ZeroFang]

RTFT = Read the fucking thread

@Mokujin_ Please read this and tell us what it says.

[ZeroFang]

I love this. Everyone's failing so hard xD

unvote vote andrew94

because I don't know why.

Yea. Random voting is a HUGE bandwagon starter.

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This is a rickroll

[ZeroFang]

I feel that andrew's play is making it essentially impossible to scumhunt, in all honesty. I think he's our best lynch for today, in order to ensure our future productivity in scumhunting, once we have more information after the night.

It's already been suggested that he be replaced, and I put forth the suggestion that we ignore him for the most part. There's no need to lose our uncounterclaimed doctor (no matter how scummy or annoying), and if he is a doctor he'll die tonight anyway. I still maintain that townies will want to lynch scum, with the scum wanting to lynch anyone but other scum. I see this as opportunistic scum trying to set up a wagon on a rowdy townie.

UNVOTE: VOTE: quadz08

[ZeroFang]

I put forth the suggestion that we ignore him for the most part.

You are a literate member of society, correct?

[ZeroFang]

Do you REALLY want him in endgame?

It's day 1. If he's the doctor, he'll probably be dead by morning. Either way, he's out of the game.

[ZeroFang]

If that happens, we either have scum on our hands, or a very stupid mafia.

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stop changing your avatar zero

stop wifoming

I'm keeping this avatar, and I wasn't WIFOMing. Read don's post. He pretty much nailed it.

I'm willing to give quadz the benefit of the doubt here and say he's just very confused town. Please note that this does not at all absolve him of suspicion. I'm just willing to put his confusion behind us because thus far it seems legitimate. Let's get on with the game.

UNVOTE: quadz

In other news, Tasky is scumming up the board with flagrant votes that make no sense and no explanation to accompany. Stay tuned for more of his ridiculous shenanigans on this episode of "Open 245 - Mini Love".

[ZeroFang]

so whats your plan, zero?

Only scum have need to plan ahead. I don't have a plan.

[ZeroFang]

Okay, everything after this will only have 25% or less homo, and 30% or less moku-humor.

Shit. I love the homo.

[ZeroFang]

and besides voting a lot of different people you've done....

[ZeroFang]

Which is essentially what I've done, just Ythan style instead of my own style, wall-to-wall posts.

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I should know better than to argue logic with two VIs a scum and a monkey

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andrew94 (3): Zed, Battousai, ZeroFang
ZeroFang (3): drmyshottyizsik, don_johnson, andrew94
quadz08 (1): tvellalott
Tasky (1): WingsOWisdom
Mokujin_ (1): GarethByrd
tvellalot (1): Tasky
Not voting (2): Mokujin_, quadz08

12 alive, 7 to lynch

Deadline Wednesday 29th September, 10PM GMT

I'm inclined to believe the CC. Andrew has been really scummy, and the scum usually won't risk a 1-1 ration of scum to PRs. Due to there being a claim and a counterclaim, it's very likely that one is scum and one is a doctor. Either way, they both die, the scum are short a member, and we're short a doctor. It's not the best tradeoff but it's already happened, so we might as well make the most of it.

VOTE: andrew94

Leaving the scum to choose is a bad idea. You should never leave scum with decisions. It allows them to choose what will work best with their current plans. The death of both is inevitable and we don't need to eat WIFOM cake in the event that neither of them die. It's much safer and better for the town to lynch the counter-claimed doctor.

[ZeroFang]

So we're just going to ignore his scumminess and the fact that he was counterclaimed and leave him in the game? He already said his claim was false...

[ZeroFang]

an opinion of some sort would be nice in case the slot is town.

If the opinion is from the mouth of scum we still have that much information. Perhaps it's not quite as objective as a townie's perspective, but there are ways to use that to our advantage...

[ZeroFang]

That's L-1. Should we wait for the replacement or hammer?

[ZeroFang]

Day two, nothing to do.
I think I'll sit down and have me a brew.

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I was kidding about nothing to do. I'm hardcore ISOing.

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vote zero

^^go wagon go!

^^god you're oppurtunistic

I lol'd.

This is the only thing Dr. Sik did yesterday.

I can't read GB (now Wisteria) without hearing him in an old-timey British accent. That's the first time something like this has happened to me. Anyway, he seemed to be pushing a logical argument against Andrew's lynch. This is, of course, before he was CC'd. God, that kid screwed us over. Town read on GB/Wisteria for sensibility in a game where there is none, where it would be very easy to slip into the crowd and push a town lynch on VI tells.

Mokujin_ doesn't know how to read, and vote hopped the entire day. I'm not impressed. Scum read.

Battousai (now Nexus) I read as pissed town. His posts were sensible, yet ticked off at the ridiculousness of some of the posts. I also read anger as more of a town emotion because scum get scared, townies get frustrated.

Quadz

directly pushed a case on a claimed PR

before his counterclaim. He is, IMHO, the scummiest player alive right now.

I've tried to read Tasky again and again, and I just can't. I would guess town on statistics alone, which of course means absolutely nothing. No read.

A null read on tvellalott. Most of his posts had to do with RVS/RQS and random shit. Like cake. And birthdays. And tequila. His other posts were discussing scum WIFOMs and theory. He's either active lurking or just not paying attention.

WoW (that can't be a coincidence) had RVS/RQS discussion and a single content rich post. +1 for content, +2 for great content, and +5 for scumhunting and using logic. Town read.


If I were to flat out guess the scum team, it's quadz, Mokujin, and Tasky/tvellalott.

VOTE: quadz

Also,

Post moar, damnit.

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You know tvella, you could help the town by dismissing the scumtells that don't mean anything. At least then we would actually know your stance on who's scummy and who's not.

This fence sitting/refusing to scumhunt/dissmissing cases without refuting them makes tvellalott go up a slot on my personal scum list.

[ZeroFang]

The last post was more than 24 hours ago. What happened?

[ZeroFang]

quadz08 (2): ZeroFang, Tasky
tvellalot (1): drmyshottyizsik

Not voting (7): Mokujin_, quadz08, Wisteria, WingsOWisdom, tvellalott, don_johnson, Nexus

10 alive, 6 to lynch

Deadline Monday 18th October, 10PM GMT

"I would guess town on statistics alone, which of course means absolutely nothing"

Everyone has a 7/10 chance of being town, so if you have to guess, you're better off guessing they're town for the sake of statistics. Of course, if we applied those to everyone than everyone would be town, and that certainly isn't the case. In other words, it means nothing. My best guess at your alignment comes from statistics.

As soon as people start posting more opinions and cases, I'll be able to scumhunt better and probably have more definite reads on people, but until then we'll have to work with the cards we're dealt. If a couple people stepped up and made some cases, I believe we'd have more global activity.

[ZeroFang]

With the doctor dead, there are no other roles that require self-preservation.

Stop rolefishing. Both scum and PRs (even lovers) tend to go for self-preservation. It helps their side win.

[ZeroFang]

EBWOP: And I don't think he's being that survivalist.

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I am not rolefishing. I am stating a fact. Yes, the lover pairs need to self-preserve to an extent, but they mostly do so to prevent getting killed by scum. In any other capacity, they will have to act as a regular townie because there is a 50% chance that their lover is scum.

Except for the fact that they make up two confirmed townies who know each other's identity with two independent votes, and so they're just as valuable to the town as PRs are.

Your accusation would hold water in a closed setup. This is not. Are you telling your buddies to stay quiet?

What accusation?

What is not survivalist about 343? tvellalott had admitted to staying quiet because he was attacked for whatever he said. By extension, he is afraid of getting lynched.

Town hunt scum. They do not need to survive.

Not true at all. Getting lynched is one of the most anti-town things a VT can do. Getting NKed as VT is almost an accomplishment, because it means the scum felt you were enough of a threat to warrant killing. Getting lynched, on the other hand, is just terrible play.

343 was scummy for an entirely different reason. He's refusing to hunt for scum until someone makes some big slip, which he'll promptly jump on. That's scummy. Trying not to get lynched is on pretty much everyone's agenda.

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quadz08 (2): ZeroFang, Tasky
tvellalot (1): don_johnson, Wisteria
Tasky (2): drmyshottyizsik, quadz08

Not voting (4): Mokujin_, WingsOWisdom, tvellalott, Nexus

10 alive, 6 to lynch

Deadline Monday 18th October, 10PM GMT

nothing is happening in this game.

Please stop smoking pot. It's not helping you. Wake up and smell the corpses.

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Your accusation would hold water in a closed setup. This is not. Are you telling your buddies to stay quiet?

Methinks you're trying to out the lovers, and no, I'm telling the lovers to keep quiet. If we hang scum today, and the other pair of lovers dies tonight, the lovers can claim and we know for sure one of them is scum. If they both survive, we have a 3/1 scum ratio, which is awesome.

[ZeroFang]

I will take your word for it.

Don't.

[ZeroFang]

hopping on the largest wagon is NOT "mindless" if it's done for a good reason.

You basically just said mindless wagon hopping isn't mindless if it's not mindless wagon hopping.

[ZeroFang]

In other words we just lynched our lovers.

[ZeroFang]

Oh man, I completely forgot that Andrew claimed doctor as Town. I don't even understand why...

Yeah, that pretty well fucked us over.

Sorry about replacing out... my gambit (I call it Batt gambit)failed/worked. This was the first game where I could actually use this gambit, so I had to do it. Essentially, I was overreacting to an overlyaggressive playstyle (one where the person insults players). In doing so, I was trying to appear townie by faking pseudo-towntells, which includes anger and replacing out.

And it worked to astonishingly great effect. Congrats! You need a page in the wiki about that.

[ZeroFang]

think about it, if claiming doctor forces the real doctor to counterclaim and expose him/herself
and you're a vanilla townie, WHY THE HELL would you do that..

therefore you must be scum

[ZeroFang]

Because we all thought you were scum trying to play off as a doctor? Seriously, as a VT you should NEVER claim anything but VT unless you're going for some uber gambit that only the pros even dream of attempting.