Mini 1045: M&L:BIS! Game Over

[mothrax]

I don't like how quickly this wagon has run up... there is scum on it... especially considering that six of twelve players have posted and four of those are voting for kat.
Calcifer: we have (well one of your heads and I) similar experienc with docwhosiwhatsit, and I agree, if he is scum he will slip, but if he is town he will also scumslip... so he will be lynched either way, so why not get it out of the way D1? Option one, we hit scum D1 and move on to d2, option 2, we myslynch but get rid of an incredibly anti-town player.

This is one policy lynch I am down with...
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

[mothrax]

So because I am not voting the way you want me to I am scummy? I saw the softclaim, and I saw the pressure as a response, but I don't feel comfortable putting someone at l-2 with 5 people still to post when I don't have a strong read on them. Opportunistic scum would love this to end in a quicklynch. And I am not going to vote for them because you tell me that this isn't the way they play, especially when others are saying otherwise.

[mothrax]

Kat: I was giving you a chance to respond to your softclaim, but since that didn't happen:
UNVOTE: VOTE: Katsuki

[mothrax]

You want names: my first bet would be gandalf, since he just hopped on with no explanation... could be bussing/distancing.
And I wasn't convinced of scumKat untill he posted something pretty worthless while under pressure...
so because Kat obvbuddies, it makes me scum as well... please... in a format im sure both of you will be familiar with:
Breaking news: scumkat sets up d2 mislynch.
calci falls for it.
preview edit: nope didnt get the reference, will have to go back and look... in two ongoing w him, but not seeing anything blatantly similar. unless you are a socrates alt...

[mothrax]

that is why I joined actually... all we need is willows...
please tell me how you know there are three scum? I don't see anything that says as such.

[mothrax]

Wasn't trying to make a case, just calling it as I see it... as for most, it depends on balance too... I have played several with 2 scum and a few with 4, but those had really op towns...

[mothrax]

DMSIS you are forgetting my early vote on you, as well as kat's... I would still be willing to lynch you.

Have I mentioned I hate hydra's? Calc is playing to Andy's town meta as far as I can tell, but not sure about Nacho since I have only once seen a nacho flip and that game was rediculous to get reads in cause of the damn post restrictions. I can't tell which person is which. (the point I guess...)

and @Framm: I am not voting Kat over the policy lynch bs either... my vote is on Kat because he has been fluffposting, the softclaim, and because his defense is disgustingly lacking. I don't care why you are at L-whatever, don't ignore points... so Kat, claim plz, and please enlighten us as to why you thought a softclaim that was as hard as a stale bagel on D1 was a good idea... other than you learned to play from zwet, who I know from meta doesn't always claim (soft or otherwise) d1...

[mothrax]

I don't see the rolefishing. I agree that someone needs to verify this.

[mothrax]

So after isoing those on the Kat wagon, I am inclined to believe that is is most certainly being pushed by at least one scum... I use the term pushed lightly. CMAR seems genuine, as does calc (genuine, if not miguided), Gandalf and jimfinn pinge my dar a bit. Gandalf especially... His vote is completely alone in the post with no content, and the only suspicion of kat before that was literally "wtf a claim" up to that point he had been defending kat.
Every post after that minus one has been "flailscum" or some other fluff alluding to scumkat.
This post:

I policy vote shotty, but anyone who looks at any of my games can see that I have literally used DMSIS as my random vote in every game I've played in since he joined the site. Whether they have him in them or not. So obviously, it's not in any way a scum tell. Not saying it's one for you, but my case is definitely different. I don't think you're scummy because of the policy vote, but I'm certainly glad Calc pushed you for it, because we've caught scum as a result.

It especially irks me. Why bring this up. No one was questioning you about your DMSIS vote as far as I can tell. Aside from a quick remark by kat which certainly doesn't warrant a post like this.

The last sentence just reads funny to me. You aren't really pushing a kat lynch... give us an argument instead of "omg he is such scum"

Unvote; Vote Gandalf5166

[mothrax]

I see your claim and raise you a "why the he'll would you do that.
Also, see post 171 VOTE: gandalf with kats flip I am not liking him even more. Jimfinn is high up on my list as well. His interactions with sc make me think he is the reason sc died last night.

[mothrax]

^^wut?

[mothrax]

I'm willing to hammer depending on claim. I didn't like his reactions to calc d1 and sc being nk'd points fingers at him as well.

[mothrax]

^I am agree... I am not liking jimfinn, but at the same time, We need more info and we have plenty of time before deadline to lynch him. CSL is looking scummy to me as well...

[mothrax]

um... trying so hard to remember that DMSIS always plays like an idiot... trying and failing... DMSIS's fake hammer... not cool... and lining up scumkills, also not cool...

MAJOR HAND OF SUSPICION: DMSIS

[mothrax]

False... Trying to shut down discussion is scummy. Why would you do that when we have a cop and doc claim on D2, neither of which I am sure I believe at this point, especially if you keep trying to set up night actions.
edit: ninja'd by CSL

[mothrax]

Since this game is drifting in the way of IioA and I have some hunches that need proving, let's do this shall we.

Unvote; Vote dramonic

[mothrax]

Because not all of us believe your claim. Also, my vote on dram did not have the desired reaction... Maybe someday I will share my purpose. Today is not that day.
Also yeah gfs turn up inno. If dr is telling the truth, you are still not cleared. Cut the wifom

[mothrax]

Here is a thought, we lynch dmsis, if he is cop we have a confirmed townie on top of the other mason... The other mason should claim tomorrow.
His loss is not a great one since even if he is a cop, he isn't being straight foward about the claim and is incredibly anti-town...
If he isn't a cop he is scum and we get a 2 for 1, scum and a bad player.

Unvote; Vote: drmyshottyizsik

[mothrax]

Srsly... Dmsis... Read the thread.

[mothrax]

M here, but won't be able to post much untill tomorrow

[mothrax]

I'm down with a massclaim. I will also be down with the fos count.

[mothrax]

Starlow/chippy a vt.
Dram, your turn.

[mothrax]

Limited access untill I can type with my left hand again... apparently running knives through fingers is bad form.

I will be around and be reading, but my posting will be sporadic and mostly done on my phone since it only requires using one hand to type.

[mothrax]

yeah, last time i cook dinner... damn avacado
though typing with just my right hand is getting easier....

anywho.
I have comments about MC but i wanna wait untill it is done... waiting on CMAR...
Anyone wanna make a list, I would, but yeah... thats a bit out of my reach atm

[mothrax]

hehe, it was pasta, but I had to cut the veggies for the sauce.

[mothrax]

Je hasn't posted at all d3 and his last post was the 17th (two days before shotty's lynch irl)

@Mod: Request prod on CMAR

[mothrax]

thx... I hate this... (I also may be under the influence of painkillers atm)
The sad part is I sat there and said tomyself "don't forget to put the /b at the end... ok does thislook right?" and then posted it.

[mothrax]

Wait, we had a claimed nurse turned doc not nk'd... A few scenarios come to mind. 1. They left him alive as a mislynch since there was doubt about his claim. 2. There is a mafia rolecop and they deemed mallow more important. (he was also ripe for the mislynch after a scummy hammer... 3. He is scum. 4. There isn't a fourth that comes to mind... I need to reread.

[mothrax]

No. VOTE: dramonic
It takes one townie to mislynch, so i hope to god I'm right and csl is the townie on the fos wagon.
you and Gand have been awfully buddy buddy, repeating and parroting. Plus you have barely contributed anything in the way of arguments other than "so and so is scum"

[mothrax]

Jim, you I am not sure about, but dram and Gand have voted similarly, each within a few posts of each other. When I first brought up the fact that you were alive they were among the first to say it meant nothing. They were both quick to jump on the lurkercmar foswagon, and on top of that the massclaim was mainly pushed by those two, and it benefited town in no way.
P-edit
Csl is cleared... And nice flip-flopping on jim

[mothrax]

Csl is clear if we wish to believe the inno on him. I do.
Just less than 10 posts ago you said a claimed nurse not dying means nothing. Or that there was a roleblocker. That implies you believe his claim and yet you list him in the scumteam.

[mothrax]

I didn't believe the inno untill dr really did flip cop, now I do believe it. That doesn't mean he can't be gf, but I doubt that. I don't see much scummy in his play.
As for jims claim, I didn't say he couldn't be scum... I said he is probtown(or I implied as much). In mylo I am not lynching a claimed doc or someone with a cop inno on them. I prefer to lynch obvscum.

[mothrax]

I feel like there is a good chance of the three scum on the cmar/robo-wagon but I am willing to entertain the fact that there are just two. There are scum on the wagon. I have told you who I think they are.

[mothrax]

Can we get some more activity in this game please?

[mothrax]

because something needs to happen and dram isn't getting lynched today apparently, I will compromise and go with scum #2.

Unvote; Vote gandalf

[mothrax]

I read "robos replace was scummy, but I wnt to get a read on robo."

[mothrax]

Dammit. My bad guys. I had dram, but I thought Gand was his buddy. He obvbuddied as town...
Fun fact: iPhones autocorrect obvbuddied as incubators.