Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!

[Narsis]

@FakeGod - I'd love to lynch you, why shouldn't I? Your actions around VV yesterday were mega-odd. Also, you haven't told us about strength yet - you only have it for the Day Phase. Yes or no question; is there a reason you're not claiming its effects?

Just waiting to see if there's any cc's, that's all.

why wait to see if there are any cc's though? if you are in fact Dorfl then there wont be a cc cause there wont be anyone else with that name(or rather their shouldn't).

In case scum decides to be dumb and cc and give us freebies. (I don't pass up on freebies )

Anyways, I'm uncc'd Dorfl. STRENGTH allows me to stop one player from voting today.

I know, right? I was hoping for a 1-shot daykill, and bust up some scum with my giant fists of clay. O well.

wow i thought the same thing you did. however this does make sense. a dayvig could be a bit overpowered...

however this power does seem perhaps a bit more of a...scum favoring one. one of the town's primary methods of gaining information is by who is voting for who. so removing that kinda acts against us. perhaps i could see it used in a lylo situation or something, but it doesnt seem overly useful as it is now.

VOTE COUNT

TheButtonmen (2): VasudeVa, Narsis
Jimfinn (1): Budja

Not Voting (6): Chronopie, Plum, TheButtonmen, jimfinn, FakeGod, Thor665

With 9 alive, 5 is needed to lynch.
Deadline is Friday 17th.

[Chronopie]

/mass-prodded. Semi-V/LA status still applies.

Trust a Uni to give a person two assignments, a test, and a presentation all on the same week though >.<

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I targeted VV-Vimes for a JK last night, as I figured the scum wouldn't want a confirmed townie running around. (Given that Vimes was Mod-confirmed to be in the game, was un-cc'd, and had a Day-cop power, which is pro-town, especially considering that he found scum.)

[FakeGod]

/mass-prodded

Does this mean we most likely have 3 clears in town now? (VV, me, and Chrono)

[Narsis]

/mass prodded.

eh i'm still not 100% trusting of Chrono's claim. so i wouldn't put him in the clear list. same with you FG.

VV though i would more or less consider clear.

[Thor665]

/not mass prodded due to pure awesomeness.

Pretty neutral on FG, not impressed by his commentary that the Dorfl claim somehow clears him. Newsflash: the Mod isn't confirming town every day

@FG - you were the best-est bud forever with VV yesterday and had understood his breadcrumbs...you also tried to lynch him because it wouldn't "look believable" if you didn't try to lynch him. What do you see as the pro-town angle in your actions here?

[VasudeVa]

/mass prodded. Sorry, molestar this is an awesome game and I'm not flaking out ever. I was just busy with some RL shit. <3.

Thank you, but I'm still not forgiving you for calling me molestar. -M

Chronopie is awesome. <3. I am 90% confirmed now. Also, I got day-alignment cop NOT rolecop because I see you guys doubting me.

I too am conflicted with FG. I don't really buy that he did read my breadcrumb and proceeded with a massive wall of scum to get me lynched. But I guess he's saved from my lynch list today.

[Thor665]

@VV - why is Fake God saved from your lynch list today?

[VasudeVa]

Actually, maybe we can check that.

FakeGod uses his power on someone, he says who he uses it on. We mass vote for FakeGod and then the voteless person will hammer. If he is not lynched, he is telling the truth.

Although, I'm not sure how vote-stripper is Town.. Is that kind of power usually given to Town?

[Thor665]

Meh, Vote stripper strikes me as anti-town but not really pro-scum.

Do you actually think he's lying about what his day phase power does? I don't believe he is.

[TheButtonmen]

Chronopie is awesome. <3. I am 90% confirmed now.

Why?

[VasudeVa]

Meh, Vote stripper strikes me as anti-town but not really pro-scum.

Do you actually think he's lying about what his day phase power does? I don't believe he is.

I really just don't like that wall of scum when he saw my breadcrumb. I've explained that it was unnatural.

Well...maybe. I'm not sure right now. But it is a way to check if he's lying anyway. If he's lying, he's 100% scum. If he isn't, well at least he was honest and maybe I'll feel better about him.

Why?

X

[FakeGod]

Do you actually think he's lying about what his day phase power does? I don't believe he is.

eh, why would I make up a power that's easily tested for existence?

[FakeGod]

Newsflash: the Mod isn't confirming town every day

How do you know/confirm this? Do you have additional information in your role PM or something? If not, why try to discredit my claim, hmmm?

[Thor665]

Do you actually think he's lying about what his day phase power does? I don't believe he is.

eh, why would I make up a power that's easily tested for existence?

Yeah, I know, that's what I basically just said.

Newsflash: the Mod isn't confirming town every day

How do you know/confirm this? Do you have additional information in your role PM or something? If not, why try to discredit my claim, hmmm?

How do I confirm this?
Because an unkillable role who confirms town every day would tend to be just a

teensy

little bit unfair to the scum team, now wouldn't it?
Logically we've already had one scum receive a Day power to my mind - we know it wasn't Mysterio, I suspect it wasn't VV, that leaves you.
You didn't respond to my question about your actions towards VV.

Vote: FakeGod

[FakeGod]

Actually, maybe we can check that.

FakeGod uses his power on someone, he says who he uses it on. We mass vote for FakeGod and then the voteless person will hammer. If he is not lynched, he is telling the truth.

No need. When I use STRENGTH on someone, that person's vote (if it's on someone) will be moved to "not voting" in the next vote count and stay there.

Should be easy to tell.

[FakeGod]

Because an unkillable role who confirms town every day would tend to be just a

teensy

little bit unfair to the scum team, now wouldn't it?

Since I don't know the setup, I don't know whether that's fair or not to the scum team. You don't know either, unless you are scum and knew the setup better than I do.

In regards to your question, there were many reasons that I did this. First and foremost, I wanted to give him some cover. Breadcrumbing is dangerous and risky for obvious reasons, especially a breadcrumbing of a character who's very likely to be town. (in this case Vimes) In my experience, town players who have lots of town-cred are often killed off by scum, so I decided to write up a case on VV to lower his town-cred a bit (dangerous move, but town-cred's something he's guaranteed due to his inevitable Vimes claim), and draw off attention from scum. The long semi-ISO case I wrote up looks legit, hopefully enough for any scum who happened to glance over it, but you can tell that my heart's not in it, which is more evident when it's revealed that I believe VV is town. I'm also aware that just because VV breadcrumbed Vimes doesn't meant that he actually was Vimes. I wanted to see how he reacted and see whether they seem like they are coming from fakebreadcrumbing-scumVimes or realbreadcrumbing-townVimes. I was also hoping that by the huge and empty post VV would see that I saw his breadcrumb, but that obviously backfired, seeing that he thinks I'm scum.

Buttonmen also mentioned why town might smokescreen for someone I think.

[Thor665]

Since I don't know the setup, I don't know whether that's fair or not to the scum team. You don't know either, unless you are scum and knew the setup better than I do.

Okay, since you've thought about this - what sort of scum team do you think could deal with an unblockable, unkillable town confirmation every day phase that also gives town powers while also potentially having a JK as well as any other roles that may or may not be out there while also having at least one vanilla goon on their team?

[jimfinn]

Responding to massprod, I'm feeling more and more pro-town about Thor, and I don't want to lynch FakeGod today (though I certainly won't ignore the possibility later), but I'm not particularly sure who I want to vote for right now, as all the suspicions I've been having are lessening and the pro-town players looking scummier until it's all a giant mess.

[Budja]

Note here that I am semi V/LA til Sunday thanks to exams.

Noted. -M

I agree FG isn't confirmed, but he isn't scum for getting the power either. (No, I'm not calling him town but I'd still rather lynch jim or Button. Those players have given me less reason to be uncertain)

EDWOP for jim's post.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Button

[FakeGod]

Since I don't know the setup, I don't know whether that's fair or not to the scum team. You don't know either, unless you are scum and knew the setup better than I do.

Okay, since you've thought about this - what sort of scum team do you think could deal with an unblockable, unkillable town confirmation every day phase that also gives town powers while also potentially having a JK as well as any other roles that may or may not be out there while also having at least one vanilla goon on their team?

I haven't thought about it, but brainstorming: what if mafia could double-kill on one of the nights? or have 2 roleblockers? or maybe it's a 4 vs. 8 player setup? or some combination of mafia doc/tracker/rolecop/JOAT? or maybe mafia can recruit more members?

[Budja]

^ Confirmed town is very powerful.
Think about LyLo for example.

These additional powers are good but not an absolute declaration of towniness.

[Narsis]

^ Confirmed town is very powerful.
Think about LyLo for example.

These additional powers are good but not an absolute declaration of towniness.

agreed. it's why i mentioned that a 4:8 set up could be possible. another thing that needs consideration: why did the scum choose to kill Mysterio N1 and possibly target VV N2? was it cause the scum knew that only townies could get the powers during the day and thus were trying to remove potentially confirmed town?

@jimfinn: what suspicions have you had and how are they lessening? what protown players are looking scummier? and why?

[TheButtonmen]

Since I don't know the setup, I don't know whether that's fair or not to the scum team. You don't know either, unless you are scum and knew the setup better than I do.

Okay, since you've thought about this - what sort of scum team do you think could deal with an unblockable, unkillable town confirmation every day phase that also gives town powers while also potentially having a JK as well as any other roles that may or may not be out there while also having at least one vanilla goon on their team?

I haven't thought about it, but brainstorming: what if mafia could double-kill on one of the nights? or have 2 roleblockers? or maybe it's a 4 vs. 8 player setup? or some combination of mafia doc/tracker/rolecop/JOAT? or maybe mafia can recruit more members?

Ewww, bad FG bad!

Baseless speculation that can't be verified and doesn't help in anyway.

That right there is hells of lazy.

I agree FG isn't confirmed, but he isn't scum for getting the power either. (No, I'm not calling him town but I'd still rather lynch jim or Button. Those players have given me less reason to be uncertain)

EDWOP for jim's post.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Button

A) What about Jims post made you happier with him.

B) Lay out a case on me.

[molestargazer]

Plum is being prodded.

[FakeGod]

*shrug* Thor asked me to come up with possible setups.