SWN III: Dreamland Castle Is Under Siege (Halted, mod error)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Doesn't it seem a /LITTLE/ convenient that a post restricted character dies... and suddenly another one appears?

I mean... I may be totally on the wrong track here... it's my first game... but doesn't that seem like he's trying to clear himself using a post restriction?

On another note, it is certain we have a secondary killer on the loose, with the death of the Mafia goon.

ERGO, if we assume Vigs and other roles of the kind would not shoot night 1. (I don't know if that's the accepted strategy) We can assume there is a third party killer on the loose.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Again... I'm not sure if my logical reasoning is correct here. I have played mafia before, but it's a little different everywhere, so I'm not sure of what commonly accepted strategies are on this site >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Lady:

Last SWN game had 3 Post Restricted people. French, Portugese and another language of which I can't remember. One of which was mafia. CSL knows that. He was in it.

CSL has prior knowledge of mod tendancies.

It is possible that CSL may be faking, betting on that reaction statement as seen above.

Last SWN game had 3 Post Restricted people. One of which was mafia.

It is also possible that CSL still be mafia, even if he truly does have a restriction?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Essentially... It has been known to happen that if one fakes a post limitation, it can become a real limitation?

I won't vote just yet... I need to hear more testimony and figure out how you guys play the game here xD

Essentially, I just need to have a few rounds of observation to see how you guys play, before I try engaging in scum hunting with yall

[Lady Lambdadelta]

vote: TheLonging

Need I explain?

For the sake of those who do not know.... it would be nice if you did?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We know PRs can exist, due to a dead townie having one. Given that half the players or so have even yet to post, we are already here discussing whether CSL's PR is true or not?

Lady seems to be trying to spin CSL's spanish into a scum explanation...

I'm just trying to help >.<

I don't know what the hell is supposed to be scummy in this game, because I have no reference point.

I was just giving /my/ observation.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have no Post Restriction.

I wonder.... We have a cat PR, and Spanish PR, an dead PR, and a minimized/spoilered PR?

Is that all our PR?

Also, DH is being FoS'd for seeking an easy lynch, Ani as well...

I get both those, but why is Katsuki being FoS'd?

I've been away :X

Finally... In this set up, is it A good idea to do a lynch with so little info? I have a feeling

that while there are probably at least 1 PR'd mafia... There are also probably multiple town sided PR's... Who also may have abilities that could help us.

FOR NOW I will

Vote:No One

unless something else comes up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I had not previously voted...

I'm not sure what's better to do... I don't want to be on that "not voting" list... because it seems like an inactivity thing?

I'm just voting no one as a place holder for now I guess >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Voting no one is voting for no lynch correct?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I always miss the fucking ball on the start of games.

Le sigh.

Catching up.

- I can understand CSL. Lol. Fuck yeah, spanish in highschool.
- Lol PRs.
- DH lynch? What? (Will address this)
- This post by TL is terrible. Where did he say that everyone with a PR is mafia. He said it is likely that at least some mafia have PRs. With the amount coming up (Parama questions, MafiaSSK fucking with his text, LL with her red/blue, CMAR with the orange, CSL with the spanish, TL with the cat, vezok with the L/R switch, CML had one - That's 8 right there), that's not a huge stretch to think there could be one or two in there, or is it?
- Fuck you Mafuyu, no one likes lower case Delta.
- Vezok trying to meta someone upsets me greatly.

Re: DH lynch. Not only was he misrepresented hard by TL, he left his vote on me. I HADN'T EVEN FUCKING POSTED YET. Meaning he could not be voting me based on a PR.

I didn't realize people were so dense.

Notice that I said I didn't have a PR.

Oh.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

For admitting to not scumhunting.

I believe this is a misrepresentation of the facts. I provided my theory, which was quickly shot down by other players as wrong. I then took a step back and allowed these players to present their theories, seeing as mine was /wrong/. If you want to hear what I think, that's fine... I'll give you my opinion on the facts at hand. However, nothing I have said so far has been taken up, so I figure that it was best to gather more info and see other FoS before proposing another theory...

Nipahhhhhhhhhhh ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Katsuki

Uh... I'm about 80% sure that DemonHybrid is town sided...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh man, this is amusing.

@Pacman: Why only FOS me and ani, but not CSL, who voted between ani and I?
@Spy: You comment on ani and I. What is your read on CSL?

So many just focusing on ani and I, but letting CSL slide. I am quite curious about that tbh.

A better question would be, why are you pushing for CSL so hard?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For example... Asking "why me, and not him?" is just a little scummy to me :X

It just seems like your trying to shift a target onto his back.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we have much to go on? No.

And what you are asking in a simplified manner is, Why are you and others voting for me and Ani, but not CSL?

In other words, because someone else did it too, that makes it less scummy that you did it?

Secondly, that above statement is /still/ telling me that either you want people to stop voting you/ani OR to start voting/FoSing CSL. Either way, I have serious doubts that your message in that comment was really to tell us that our accusations are inconsistant. At the very least, it's not your only motive.

Also,

you asked Spyrex /what his read on CSL/ was

. That falls outside the realm of "your accusations are unfair" and into the realm of "Let's take a closer look at CSL".

Finally, as to why I have voted for you over CSL, since that seems to be what you are asking... I felt at the time your actions were a little more suspicious than CSL's. And now, even more so because of these above stated reasons.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Attack is the incorrect term to use in that situation. I personally feel that you are attempting to get people to take a closer look at CSL, and look less at you.

I think it's better to refer to it as "shifting the target".

I've already explained all this in a previous post.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes, and in doing so, you are calling attention to CSL.

You just stated on your own that this is what you are doing. You just confirmed 90% of what I have said.

Given how conveniently you are going from one FoS to another, I have serious doubts you are town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I notice that your trying to group together 3 people who's only common link at this point in the game is that they are suspicious of you.

It would be like if I said that aGar was scum because he voted me. See what I'm getting at?

Finally, if you are going to FoS me, try to give some kind of legit reason. Currently, all I see is that I have raised some questions about comments you have made, and that you are saying that I am targetting you over CSL for some reason. Allow me to disprove this statement.

During the time at which the FoS of you and Ani was made, I was away from the computer for about 18 hours.

I came back later on and had to re-read. Much of what I read showed the things you and Ani did, and I agreed with some of the points, so I placed my vote on you.

However, I was not the one who supposedly "overlooked" CSL.

ERGO, I see no logical conclusion behind your suspicion of me, besides wanting to defend yourself because I have placed my FoS on you.

Please give a legitimate reason for to back up your FoS of me, because currently you are making no sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I see.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You'll need to explain to me why it exists and the logical reasoning behind it, before I jump on that wagon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes. I was wondering if there might be a logical conclusion beyond that...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Beep? =O

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So......

Any one else have any other suspicions? xD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Most. Active. Game. Ever.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lady Lambdadelta

- What does thinking DH is town have to do with voting Katsuki? The game isn't very active, but what are you doing to fix that? One of your posts vaguely implies suspicion of CSL, but are you suspicious of him? If so, why?

The DH town comment was slightly unrelated to my vote, which is why I went on to explain it in further posts. I'm trying to prod the convo along, and give my opinions, so activity stays up. The only post I have made that suspects CSL was at the beginning. It was a unwarrented FoS, with little basis. Most of my real FoS so far has gone to Katsuki, for reasons I have stated also in previous posts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I can interject, I kinda felt like Pacman was more giving me advice, than calling me out... Or a bit of both.

I kinda needed that wake up call. The one that's like, your in this game, play it and don't just sit around and let others do things.

I kinda did some bad things in the opening of the game... But I hope I have improved ^_^

Nipah <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I may ask... If not DH. Who is your top suspect now? And why? Just curious to see where you stand now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Note:

Red truth. This is a statement that is simply the pure truth. Only the truth can be said in red. I do not have a post restriction that /requires/ me to follow this rule... But it would totally ruin my character if I did! Kihihihihihi

Blue truth is a theory that opposes and contradicts a supposed known truth. It's main use is in placing ideas or FoS'... Note that the blue truth is not absolute truth. It mearly is a possible truth, that if no one can disprove or counter, can be considered true.

Again, neither of these are requirements... I simply do them to keep up the persona

I hope that helps?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Arigatou Gozaimasu! <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Point of inquiry. What is ISO?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What does ISO mean? :X

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok... I have a question. I see why people are FoSing Mafuyu... but there are tons of people who are simply coming along and saying "Oh, yah! I totally agree with that FoS!" Essentially, as much as I

FoS: Mafuyu

it's ridiculous to see people who were

basing earlier suspicions off of wanting an easy lynch,

turn around and do what appears to be the same thing?

I just feel this lynch is progressing way too quickly, with too many people looking for an easy kill. If that makes me scummy, so be it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, really? :X

My bad then. ^_^ Disregard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

o.O

It's still a legitimate point.

Was it? :S I thought you just said it wasn't?

I mean.... I felt it was a good point, but I thought you said it was normal...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok. Thanks for the clairification?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do most Day 1's take this long? Just wondering ;P

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OMG HAI.

I don't know you well... But hi

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Apparenty didn't explain her vote on you...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

inb4 Reck votes for me.

He does it pretty often, usually justified.

I wish I could stab your PR.

Now you can! With the new WILLY WALLER 2006!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hilarious

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

I really don't have much to say that hasn't already been said, by others.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah.
He's translating posts which is helpful.
That makes him infinitely more townie than you.

Couldn't that be an attempt to try and look townie?

possible, but for the moment, he's being helpful. If he is scum, he is helping us more than some of our other lynch options anyway...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is certainly interesting...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're welcome! ^_^

I expressed my thoughts... though I am considering the Framm lynch too.... there are some very valid points to it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maemuki joined the game! <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Such a wonderful relationship.

:')

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maemuki joined the game! <3

Mi emoción no puede estar incluido como bien solo espero no hojuelas. Es nada divertido

She won't flake on us, nyaa.

^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am so going to confuse LLD and Maemuki.

Fuck.

Nanodesu...

Maybe it would be best if I stuck to my red and blue guns, and Maemuki has her Orange PR.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's not spanish. Which language is it?
And welcome here.

Portuguese.

Hau au~ Au au~

(Don't worry. I'll just use [red] tags. WOO-HOO.)

Okay, so anybody can tell me what are the <3 lynches so I can vote for them. My brain is fried today.

Barring a massive scum slip, or some sort of revalation, it would appear Framm and Katsuki are the choices.

I must say, there is a very persistant case on Framm. And the more this case gets brought up, the more his posts seem scummy...

I just don't want to like, wagon hop.

In addition, I would also prefer if the facts brought up against Katsuki not be left alone should Framm be the lynchee.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

:S

Gomen Nasai. I think that statement was taken the wrong way. I was just trying to explain my reasons for not switching votes, when it seems like Framm is a more solid lynch. I want to be able to play more than 2 days in this game, as it is my first. -shrugs- This will probably make me look more scummy... But all Im trying to do is ensure that I don't make some kinda of dumb accusation, which will lead to a wasted lynch on me, which in turn means I can no longer play in the game >.<

Does that make sense? :S

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There exists the possibility that easy lynch is scum.

However, it can also be said that

scum will want to persue an easy lynch.

Therefor, it can be said that is a high majority of cases, either the target or the voter will be scum.

This does not solve anything however. Allow me to elaborate more.

It is more likely that a scum will target a townie for a lynch, than a townie will target a mafia member.

This can be proven through simple probability.

Ergo, it is more likely that you are mafia for wanting to seek an easy lynch, than it is you are town, lynching a mafia.

Does this make sense?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I now feel like I'm gonna get yelled at because My theory is bogus or something .

[Lady Lambdadelta]

-nods-. I'll try and be more forceful in expressing my opinions from now on...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You will never see me use the Gold truth. It is reserved for the game master. In this case, that's StrangerCoug.

In this game, my red truth is only used when it is an assured fact. You don't have to believe in the red truth, as it is not required that I tell the truth in it but

I will never lie in the red.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Framm_18

I still feel that Katsuki needs to be looked at again tommorow, so

FoS:Katsuki

, but at this point the case against Framm is so strong... :X

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In addition, Katsuki has kept quiet, and hasn't done much of anything scummy (or much of anything at all) since my last FoS of her.

Framm has just been constantly saying things that are weird and doing things no townie should...

/NOT/ that I do any better... I don't think I'd know what a good townie should do if it hit me in the face :X

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He truely is an enigma. I get a sense that I'm doing something wrong by voting him. It just doesn't feel /right/...

But I can't deny facts...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well. The fact is that all his votes have been somewhat suspect. However, until the Vezo vote, I didn't see any conclusive evidence of his scummy nature. It was merely being implied by /YOU/.

The vezo post/vote put serious doubt in my mind.

Also, allow me to ask the following. For one who was so certain of Framm's guilt, why are you now abandoning something that you started? I followed /YOUR/ opinions, because I thought you were making a good deal of logical sense. Especially in your big (+1/-1) town analysis. Because of you, I kept an open mind about Framm, and now switched because of an overwhelming amount of evidence that YOU have presented. This fact of me being swayed so easily by your post may seem even more scummy than you already think I am... But I felt that you brought a lot of clairity into a situation that was total chaos.

For you to now go back and renege on that really makes me wonder what the hell you were trying to accomplish with this wagon?

I do not deny that what I said was... Somewhat anti-town. I realize that I am doing way too much fence sitting, as mafuyu puts it, and am trying too hard to be seen as Town. I recognize these are scummy traits. What I would like you to see is that my reason for doing them was not to go against town... I just don't want to be lynched day 1, with little more than a suspicion against me in my first game. I realize now that if I want to stat in the game, the best way to do it is to just play it out, and stop worrying about appearences.

This has been my mistake from the beginning, and if I am lynched for it, I understand. However, I would ask that you give me a chance to prove I can be useful to town.

Finally, to restate my answer to your question above... If you want to see conclusive evidence against Framm...

GO READ YOUR OWN POSTS. Above all else, you have pointed out every bit of evidence against Framm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, before you come back and FoS me for "not answering your question" ( I feel like ai poorly expressed what I was trying to say in that last post)

Allow me to attempt to clairfy:

I feel that Reckoner is the most active pro-town atm. This does not mean he is not scum, this merely means he is aiding town greatly.
My vote on Katsuki was based on her trying to shift attention on to CSL, and direct the lynch his way, when being questioned about her motives.
I kept with this suspicion, until your case against framm began to grow.
Your posts put serious doubt in my mind about Framm.
This being said, my vote was swayed based off of his collection of Vezo quotes, and his backwards logic in claiming they were evidence against him.

That should answer your question.

Last note:

I recognize that my actions have been suspicious.

This being said, I am doing my best to rectify these mistakes, and play with a more pro-town attitude, and less of a survivor mindset.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LL, nothing you said in 561 accurately answers this question:

What exactly is so strong about the Framm case in your opinion, LL?

You say you thought the reasons I presented were strong:

what reasons

?
You say the evidence I presented was overwhelming:

what evidence

?

I didn't present the vezok quotes, Framm did. So what, specifically, in my posts about Framm, did YOU find particularly agreeable?

FoS: LL

Perhaps you should pay more attention and read post 562?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and if you seriously want me to go back and list every single reason why I think Framm is scum... You'll have to wait. Because that would require me quoting and explaining everyone one of his posts, as well as all of yours.

I understand you are trying to seeif I have a reason, or if I'm simply following a bandwagon... But please do not confuse my shyness for stupidity. Your question is loaded, because even if I go back and gather the evidence, you will simply state that I am spouting what you have said, and then FoS me for following your bandwagon.

It's whatever at this point really. I'm too lazy to go bak and say the same shit you have pointed out a thousand times again... It's a waste of everyones time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My vote on Katsuki was based on her trying to shift attention on to CSL, and direct the lynch his way, when being questioned about her motives.
I kept with this suspicion, until your case against framm began to grow.
Your posts put serious doubt in my mind about Framm.
This being said, my vote was swayed based off of his collection of Vezo quotes, and his backwards logic in claiming they were evidence against him.

Is this enough for you, or do I need to seriously lay out all the facts you have given already...?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you want more... I can mention his RVS on Ani, and then how he FoS'd Vezo with very little reason, keeping his vote on Ani. You claimed this was his testing the waters for an easy lynch. I agreed.

His scrambling to create evidence against Vezo, by quoting all those posts, then voting for him. That is what tipped me to voting him.

Do you require more?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I smell diesel fuel from the greek woman.

Still, Framm is the optimal lynch, her being scum to me really hinges on a Framm flip.

You just gonna stand there and watch me burn?

That's alright, cause I like the way it hurts...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are we quoting Rhianna?

Oh, right. Scum have no answer when they're caught obviously bussing.

What ever you say.

Don't count me out yet! I'll prove to you I'm not as scummy as you suggest!

Tommorow is another day, Nipah!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My, my.

It seems we all have something that makes us look scummy...

For example, the second Reck replaced into this game, he suddenly starts working co-operatively with Agar?

Also, Agar had made suspicions for a while, and then dropped off the map... But the second Reck joins, he suddenly becomes more active in his pursuits of a Framm lynch?

I agree with the Framm lynch, but doesn't this seem a little convienient? Like it was planed in a quick topic?

^_~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now now... I haven't voted you. Nor have you voted me?

I believe I have every right to suspect you of something...

Of course, considering this is the reaction I get... Can you blame me for not wanting to share my opinions?

I mean, hasn't that been what I've been saying?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Of course... If you'd like to vote me because I suspected you... It's your call. Just don't get mad when I don't back down so easily.

I won't let you walk all over me. I plan to play this game... And the way this is going, I'm probably going to get lynched fairly quickly.

So I would like to defend myself...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Note: when I say I'm going to be lynched, I'm refering to you going on a crusade against me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Duely noted.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LL's posts aren't fun anymore.

AGar, I may join you again. The Framm wagoners are giving me a weird feeling in my stomach now.

I'm not fun anymore?

How can I be more fun?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought we wanted to big Vezopiraka?

Or maybe Reckoner will want to have me vigged =O ;(

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Er... Make that Vig, not Big. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So... If we abandon the Framm wagon, and choose to Get vig to shoot him tonight...

Who do we lynch Mafuyu-chan?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

To translate, Vezok can't be considered anti-town for anything he has posted content wise, but he has been "active lurking".

The above is CSL's reasoning for voting Vezok.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

レッド真実はクーラーこのように見えます...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and don't bother translating that... It's really pointless. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

By garnish, I'll assume you mean garner...

But I agree for the most part. Unless Mafuyu has a better lynch option?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

-sigh- I have already said my opinion on that lynch. I do see the validity in it, esspecially with the whole CSL thing... But I don't see how that's a /better/ lynch. Just one for a different reason.

Is there something that makes that lynch better than Framm's?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not liking all the opportunistic wagon-hopping…

Unvote: Vote: Lady Lamdadelta

Previously stated reasons, and also contradictions. Earlier, she seemed to want to vig framm and lynch someone else. Now, when AGar said we

lynch

scummy players not vig them, she said she agreed.

OBJECTION! I said that I am all for lynching someone, and bugging someone else, but I also agreed we need to lynch people who we think are scummy!

It is possible to agree with both statements!

I do think we should lynch someone scummy, but it's also good to have some vig bait.

On another note, does anyone else think lynching Vezok is a waste of time? I'll do it, because it's not a total waste, but I'd rather do someone more suspicious?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This comes back to having someone good to use as vig bait...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We're not lynching vezokpiraka today. His lurkyness has nothing to do with his scumminess, and his playstyle is very much more suited to action-based games than games with actual scumhunting. He's a null read.

Everyone unvote them now or I

will

kill one of you at random tonight.

EDIT SNIPE: Whoops, sorry for stealing this space, mod.

Forceful. I like it.

No, but in all seriousness... if you have a vig shot tonight, Vezo's a guy that we would benefit from using it on.

Though... the same could be said about me... ^_^

I'll shut up now. :')

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ack. Deadline. That's not good for a town that can't make up it's mind... >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think Parama's PR made that sound ruder than he meant it to be SC. :/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Poor Parama

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Erm, dram, sweetie?
I really need you to contribute. I wouldn't want one of my stray bullets to...miss...and hit you by...accident...
>>;

>.<

You're really sold on that vig thing. Are you sure it's safe for you to be claiming that so loud?

@MOD:

How does the order of actions work in this game?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh! I figured there would be nothing like that, to discourage Follow the Cop syndrome?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Really? :S That's a shame. It's always sad to see someone leave I guess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Le sigh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not liking all the opportunistic wagon-hopping…

Unvote: Vote: Lady Lamdadelta

Previously stated reasons, and also contradictions. Earlier, she seemed to want to vig framm and lynch someone else. Now, when AGar said we

lynch

scummy players not vig them, she said she agreed.

OBJECTION! I said that I am all for lynching someone, and bugging someone else, but I also agreed we need to lynch people who we think are scummy!

You first wanted to lynch framm. Then you wanted to vig him and lynch someone else. Then you switched back to wanting to lynch him. You've been going with the popular opinion on whether we want to vig him or lynch him. That is scummy.

It is possible to agree with both statements!

It is not.

I do think we should lynch someone scummy, but it's also good to have some vig bait.

We vig VIish players, like vezo(though he's site-flaked). We do not vig scummy players, we lynch them.

On another note, does anyone else think lynching Vezok is a waste of time? I'll do it, because it's not a total waste, but I'd rather do someone more suspicious?

1. He's site-flaked. 2.

He

would be a good person to vig.

Bolded teal mine.

You got a better target, reck?

I assumed that much of the things he was saying were Anti-town. Because of this, I felt that lynching him isin't a /BAD/ idea.

I also said I wouldn't mind vigging Framm, for 2 reasons. 1. I said if anyone had a better lynch. 2. It seemed to me like the Framm wagon wasn't going to happen today, because people were scared by the people who were on the wagon (Ex. Me Dx).

On another note, I personally feel that Katsuki is still a good lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Question: If one is about to be lynched, would that be the time to claim ones role? >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Enough of this.

Is it correct of me to claim at this point? I have a fairly complicated role... so it should be interesting to hear if /ANY/ one believes me...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not liking all the opportunistic wagon-hopping…

Unvote: Vote: Lady Lamdadelta

Previously stated reasons, and also contradictions. Earlier, she seemed to want to vig framm and lynch someone else. Now, when AGar said we

lynch

scummy players not vig them, she said she agreed.

OBJECTION! I said that I am all for lynching someone, and bugging someone else, but I also agreed we need to lynch people who we think are scummy!

You first wanted to lynch framm. Then you wanted to vig him and lynch someone else. Then you switched back to wanting to lynch him. You've been going with the popular opinion on whether we want to vig him or lynch him. That is scummy.

It is possible to agree with both statements!

It is not.

I do think we should lynch someone scummy, but it's also good to have some vig bait.

We vig VIish players, like vezo(though he's site-flaked). We do not vig scummy players, we lynch them.

On another note, does anyone else think lynching Vezok is a waste of time? I'll do it, because it's not a total waste, but I'd rather do someone more suspicious?

1. He's site-flaked. 2.

He

would be a good person to vig.

Bolded teal mine.

You got a better target, reck?

I assumed that much of the things he was saying were Anti-town. Because of this, I felt that lynching him isin't a /BAD/ idea.

I also said I wouldn't mind vigging Framm, for 2 reasons. 1. I said if anyone had a better lynch. 2. It seemed to me like the Framm wagon wasn't going to happen today, because people were scared by the people who were on the wagon (Ex. Me Dx).

On another note, I personally feel that Katsuki is still a good lynch.

Also, your lynch target statement is quite the sitting on the fence as well as leaving a backdoor open... as in, if anything happens to framm wagon, you can easily slip back onto me...

Yeah... LLD is probably scum.

Unvote, Vote LLD

I think our exchange was on page 23 or somewhere around there (22 - 24)

I think you're really stretching here. I find you suspicious, and your saying that because I left your wagon for one that I felt was better, I can't go back to my original suspicion when faced with a lack of any other leads?

That's ridiculous. Make a better case than that...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good to know >.<

I'm pretty much a hinderence at this point :@

I have so little knowledge of what is considered to be proper procedure here...

Every site/group is different. -shrug- This game is good because it helps me learn what is considered general form and courtesy around here. I /am/ trying my best...

And I'm not giving up, just yet. I will hold my claim pending the wagons growth, as you suggest Mafuyu. I really am running out of ways to show that I am pro-town :X (mainly because every little thing I do is scummy xD)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On another note, I personally feel that Katsuki is still a good lynch.

5 bucks says that if I vote Katsuki... even though I've been saying I suspect her /LONG/ before xReckx called for the wagon, I'll be accused of "Wagon Hopping"... even though that could not be farther from the truth....

Fuck it.

UNVOTE: Framm VOTE: Katsuki

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reasonless?

The case against Katsuki is one in which she was accused of wanting to get an easy lynch. (On who, at this point escapes me)

When asked about it, instead of answering /WHY/ she was voting for said person who I really don't remember >.< (I should check that xD), she asks "Why me?"

She then re-directs all the questions to try and get town to focus on CSL, rather than herself, while never ACTUALLY answering why she was voting for who she was.

Is this enough of a reason for you? To claim I have no reason behind this vote just makes it look like you're trying /REALLY/ hard to defend Katsuki.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On me.

Wut?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh boy... This is... what's the word I'm looking for?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@MOD: Requesting a prod in advance if Dram doesn't post in the next 11.5 hours

Drmy's case is...

peculiar

. He spends more time focusing on Framm's post restriction than his actual actions. Lovely.

That's the word I was looking for! Peculiar!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Does that REALLY justify it though?

Obviously not, but it means we don't need to react to it... as much. xD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm, why do people have scum reads on LLD anyways?

Also why isn't Mafuyu attracting more attention?

unvote, vote: Mafuyu

What's your reason for voting LLD, Mafuyu?

An account based on logic expressable through predefined red and blue truths....ditching that style except for fluff. Especially when in what was essentially a logical debate with another player.

I'm sorry. Did you just say you're voting for me... because I'm not using Red and Blue truths?

2 things. 1. I have been using the from time to time... but only when I'm making a planned point of contention, with a good reason to do so... which leads me to point 2.

2.

NOT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

So, it was easier for me to abandon it in the middle of a faster debate, instead of using it to try and clear my name with logic, and potentially only confusing town.

And Mafuyu? if that is your ONLY reason for voting me...

FoS: Mafuyu

How many people's lynches have you supported this day? Katsuki's, Mine.... I'm sure there's at least one other.

You jump around on FoS, and rarely vote. When you do vote, you give no reasoning, until pressed hard. And even when pressed hard your reasoning is, to be brutally honest, idiotic. I'm sorry I didn't want to confuse town with a flavor that isn't even a mechanic in this game. It's something I use because of what my account is. If it hinders the game, and the town I'm playing in, I'm not going to use it. Also, need I remind you this is a bastard mod game?

Seriously Mafuyu. Do you have a better reason for voting me, or are you just sensing a potential wagon, and hopping on before the masses do, to attempt avoid scrutiny? If you can't provide solid reasoning, I'm going to be forced to assume this is what you are doing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote

This Kats wagon is awful 0_o

Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

much better

also reck, let's keep the bang bang to GP2 <<

I'm gonna ask the same question I asked Mafuyu. Reasoning?

Seriously folks, if your just gonna mindlessly follow a wagon, at least have some reason to sheep onto it.

Also, I have presented evidence against Katsuki, LONG BEFORE Reckoner took an intrest. No one fucking listened...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is gonna come down to me claiming isn't it... >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

L-3... Just a few moments before claim >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've resigned myself to the fact that there is not much left I can say to save myself here...

So Im making my claim now.

My role is a "Insane" role cop/vigilante.

Each night, I choose 1/2 people. If I choose 1, that person is guarenteed to die.
If I choose 2 however, one person will be vigged, and the other is investigated. I recieve their role.
Who dies and who's role I recieve are not up to me.

My only requirement is that I must kill at night.
Almost SK-ish really, but I do have a town based win con...

The problem with my win-con is that it requires that I have killed at least [redacted] amount of people by my own hand, or I don't get the win. Despite this, I win when the town is free of threats.

On Night 0, I chose xvrt and DemonHybrid. Xvrt is dead. DemonHybrid is [redacted].

If you want to prove Im not lying.. Allow me to say part of what DH's role is...

That is all >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Really?

-shrug- Ill prove it to you, it you'd like.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and the first redacted was 4.

The second redacted is DH's role. Really want me to say that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I guess you could classify me as a third party with a possible town win con.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I only have 5 votes now? :S

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WE ARE LYNCHING MAFUYU OR KATSUKI.
LL, YOU ARE GONNA DO YOUR DOUBLE COPVIG THING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE FRAMM & WHOEVER WE DON'T LYNCH OUT OF MAFUYU AND KATSUKI
IS THIS UNDERSTOOD

Understood, nyaa.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Would you like to know what your role is DH? ^_^

I can tell you, if you need proof my role is legit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well... let's just say you're being a good neighbor. ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nyaa!

Do I hit Framm or CSL? >.< I'm seeing that Mafuyu is a common ground right now xD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I own Reck's vote as a function of vigging as per the awesome clause set therein.

Thus, CSL.

I HAVE REASONS

You're going to need to explain that first sentence to me one more time...

What are your reasons? I don't want Reck to yell at me >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Mod: Parama just switched his vote to Katsuki. Your vote count does not reflect this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck wont yell at you.

In fact, nothing could be awesomer right now.

DEJA VU, IT BEGINS. MUHAHAHA

And Reck bought my vote for you under getting to direct vigs and thus your viggitude means you are my first loyal subject.

Parama also speaks good words that I approve of. Maf is on that short list of I want a lot of content before the hounds of hell are unleashed.

Talk to Reck about it please... @_@ Or at least give me your reasons...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm.

Mafuyu is perfectly willing to be copvigged by LLD. Along with Parama. This seems to be the best way to resolve the issue. The fact that he's suddenly jumped Mafuyu's ship, understanding that there is now the option of of having Mafuyu die without doing any work, is interesting.
Besides, if both Mafuyu and Parama survive the night anyway further interaction isn't likely to change. Might as well remove the distraction factors early.

Also keep in mind that the "Along with Parama" comment isn't a condition, it's a request. Pair up however you want.

I'll keep it in mind Mafuyu.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Funny, reck has yet to say anything about why I am scum.

I also do not agree with vig'ing mafuyu. CSL and pacman if anyone. Add framm in there, or parama. Mafuyu is far less scummy than any of those 4 characters.

I think it's best to have a copvig on Mafuyu... just to confirm something.

If Mafuyu flips scum on either the role or the death, then certain things can be assumed. If she flips some other town role... then others can be assumed.

I think Framm is a ok option... I don't know why CSL... I'd like to hear the case on why CSL should get the target?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok Reckoner.

CSL Mafuyu?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought Reck was going to shoot Shotty? Doesn't he have a gun too?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How do you view ISO anyway?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we have much to go on? No.

And what you are asking in a simplified manner is, Why are you and others voting for me and Ani, but not CSL?

In other words, because someone else did it too, that makes it less scummy that you did it?

Secondly, that above statement is /still/ telling me that either you want people to stop voting you/ani OR to start voting/FoSing CSL. Either way, I have serious doubts that your message in that comment was really to tell us that our accusations are inconsistant. At the very least, it's not your only motive.

Also,

you asked Spyrex /what his read on CSL/ was

. That falls outside the realm of "your accusations are unfair" and into the realm of "Let's take a closer look at CSL".

Finally, as to why I have voted for you over CSL, since that seems to be what you are asking... I felt at the time your actions were a little more suspicious than CSL's. And now, even more so because of these above stated reasons.

Does this count?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dang. There have been a lot of prods/replacements/whatnot.

Parama, you do realize that I will never, ever, EVER believe you to be town again, right? However, I agree with you that Mafuyu is being scummy as heck. Okay, your vote is based on a gut read. Why not just say that? Why do the whole "denied" song and dance when someone asks why you voted for animorpherv/me? Also, you jumped right on the LLD wagon without a word of justification, and then started telling people to get on it with you - some reasoning would be nice, especially if the wagon had gone all the way. We'd need that reasoning to scumhunt Day 2. Speaking of scumhunting, Mafuyu's done remarkably little of it. The only scumhunting she has done has been to accuse Parama and Framm of being scum based on their PRs. Can we please do something to get rid of her?

Other than a lack of content, I'm not seeing the logic behind the Katsuki wagon. Would someone summarize it or point me to the key posts please?

EBWOP: Ninja'd. But I still don't see how that makes Katsuki a better lynch choice than Mafuyu.

I would like to see Framm investigated, but not lynched. There are definitely some scummy things in his posts, but not enough for me to vote, not over Mafuyu.

I believe LLD's claim, though not necessarily her alignment. However, we can force her actions, so we don't need to lynch her today.

I think that's all the major wagons? I'll go through everyone else in detail as I have time. If there's any preference for order, let me know.

VOTE: Mafuyu

You clearly aren't paying attention.

Parama has been AGAINST my lynch, and has wanted Mafuyu lynched for quite a while.

To say he "jumped on my wagon", is either a gross reading error (the probability of which is so small that it is almost negligible), or you are trying to put something on Parama, that isn't there (maybe you're seeing things based on a past game, using meta)?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can we just lynch Katsuki?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you want to use my gun or yours?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reck's. Yours might miss, and that would be bad.

Note that I can have a 100% shot, if I don't investigate that night.

I only end up with the 50/50, if I choose 2 targets, because one gets investigated, and the other gets vigged.

It has to do with the flavor of my role requiring me to kill someone every night...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LOL. I chose Mafuyu and Katsuki.

Why didn't Kat block me? :S

Mafuyu is a VT. -shrug- not much else to say.

On another note, my kills this game have been like... homing onto mafia. First xvrt, now Katsuki...?

I'm 2/2 in my night kills :X

[Lady Lambdadelta]

'Tis a shame really.

I had such a good thing going with my role.

I only needed to compromise half of you. ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bunny's role was a hider to her/him, but in reality, it was a BodyGuard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also... I think I might have had more of a chance at winning this game if I didn't keep killing Mafia goons at night. XD

And no joke, I can say this now freely. I choose both those kills. No random drawing. It sucked >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait, so neither my N0 nor N1 roleblocks went through?

Yah. Wondering about that...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He's saying that, in normal circumstances, he would have declared SpyreX an autowinner... but because you were the killer, and you got roleblocked by Dram. If he said "Spyrex's death should not have happened", Dram would have known RIGHT AWAY that you were Mafia Parama.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FTR, roleblocked ani N0, and LLD N1... = =

I kinda guessed.

Though, whether it would affect both my powers is a mod question xD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LL - why did you kill me N0?

xvart.

Eh. Random. But not really. I looked down the list, and your name jumped out at me :/ Sorry. I had to kill /SOMEONE/. I don't have a choice in that. I had to kill everynight.