Mini 1049 - Hide and Seek Mafia - FINAL Kablooie!

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Confirm

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Vote: Katsuki

I want to blow up some Chicken Fried Pork

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We need more Katsuki bandwagoning! Go!

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Sweet - BW on me go!

Unvote:
Vote: Tanstalas

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Hi, you're not zwet.

Vezok first, tans after.

And you're not Michael Jordan, what's your point?

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Oh, and @ jenni.. imy japanese... i was being slightly ironical. I asked if Katsu actually spoke japanese.. and why he was named after food?
I didn't actually have any good reason.. except for the initial interplay in confirmations gave me a tingle.
A little scum-tingle that I may revisit at a later time.

Ah, okay. I just wanted to be sure I hadn't missed anything.

Also, I'm not sure if this just isn't a case of Vezo being Vezo, but my curiosity is piqued, and I want to know why you asked if we should claim. Why give scum any useful info?

Finally, Tans, why vote yourself? Naughty, naughty.

I try to play different in every game I play, that way people can't get a a meta on me =)

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tans is not town. But that is too easy.

If you are so confident in that put a vote on me

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@MPR, thats true but the answers didn't give drop any extra insight for me.

I'm happy with my vote. I don't like Tantalas's semi-jokey dismissal (via selfvote).
Veso is a VI.

Then why isn't your vote on camn? I was just agreeing with him(her?) that we should start a BW.

O - hai, did you miss that part?

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camn - come back to the Katsuki wagon - it's where all the cool kids are at.

PS - Katsuki, post more in caps, makes you look more intelligent.
PPS - It's definitely not definately

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I just realized... I'm not even on the Katsuki wagon anymore ^.^

Vote: Unvote
Vote: Katsuki

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Oh and on a sidenote - Katsuki, since you are so sure I am scum why isn't your vote on me? Is vezok's denial to answer a question really more of a scumtell than me agreeing with someone to BW you?

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Ugh, actually camn, I'll give you a wagon you want

Unvote:
Vote: Domino

Didn't realize he (she?) had only posted twice in this entire thread...

I don't like lurkers early game... or mid game... or late game...

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Katsuki - posting a bit, not so much in the way of the content department. voting for me for starting a BW when it wasn't even my idea
Budja - Hoping onto my BW for agreeing with you to start a BW on someone
Domino - Not posting... wtf?

On a side note - I had no idea Katsuki was a her

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Katsu.. are you seriously saying that I am too town to be town? That my scumtell is appearing towny?

You really aren't even trying yet this game, are you?
There is a wonderful, well-accepted scum playbook for camn-hate.
You should look it up. It is easy to follow. Scum use it almost every game. It never works, but it looks good to the untrained eye. It generally starts off with vote-hopping. Why don't you accuse me of THAT instead of 'even though she LOOKS town, I think she secretly ISNT! hahahaha!'?

Also, your 'obvious reasons' are not obvious re: Tans. Please state them for me... cuz I am slow.

MOre Katsu votes, pls

Obvious reasons are because it is an ongoing game, and Zwet self-voted, so apparently I'm Zwet now, because you know, no one has

EVER

self-voted before

Scum list.
Hard to make with so little posts.

Katsu
Tans
Moongoose (probably. I can't get another scum read right now)

unvote

I will join the wagon on either tans or katsu whichever grows bigger.

Do you have any reasons for your top 3? The above underlined sentence makes me want to vote for you - that sounds very scummy combined with your "Hard to make a scum list with so many posts"

Sounds to me like you are saying "I'm a lazy scum, and I'll just vote for whoever gets the biggest BW on them"

I agree with katsu. No content is offered, and asks for a quicklynch which is a scum tell since the longer the day goes the more likely a scum is to be caught or make a slip.
You want a quick lynch, you got one, VOTE: katsuki

I agree with Budja - you come in here with that sentence and vote? Kind of hypocritical aren't you with the "no content is offered" post? You have only made one post this entire game with any content talking about Vezok's massclaim idea - which was already previously mentioned by others, so in fact you were just parroting, so in reality you have made ZERO contribution to this game thus far.

Unvote:
Vote mongoose

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Hm.
Am I getting this right?
Katsuki fails to vote Tansaltas.
Tasnatlas fails to vote Katsuki.

DO I smell all bark and no bite x2?

PS@ Pom.. not really. But scummy enough.

Pfft

Did you miss Mongoose's post? That's my first vote all game I feel decently confident about

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Well - interesting. Vezok confirmed town AMIRITE?

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Vote: Katsuki

Her top 3 consisted of myself, camn and Vezok - as far as I am concerned Vezok is probably town - getting a town vibe from camn and I know I am town.

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Well - interesting. Vezok confirmed town AMIRITE?

WRONG!

If I were scum I would totally blow up a scum room, knowing full well that my scumbuddy was hiding somewhere else.

ps. Im lucky.. I considered hiding in Vezo's room.

Yeah - I slept in someones room who I thought was scummy... good point you bring up on that though

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@mod - if a scum was also a light sleeper when do they get notified if someone hides in their room? As soon as they hide in their room or what?

Just wondering because I submitted my action right after we went into twilight. Wondering if it might be safer for me to say just PM you a minute before the deadline so that if I hide in a light sleeper mafia room they can't get an organized blow up? IE:this night choice deadline was at 9pm on the 22nd, if I sent you my action at 8:59pm even if I went into a LS Mafia room by the time you sent them the notification it would be after 9pm so they wouldn't be able to send in a guaranteed kill?

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Out last experience together was not really a great one.....

Did it involve leather gear and whips?

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I'm keeping my vote where it is - I don't buy Katsuki's claim that she tried to hide in DGB's room so DGB randomly assigned a room to Katsuki - I would think the mod would have either told KAtsuki to pick a PLAYERS room or defaulted Katsuki to stay in her own room.

FTR: I hid in Katsuki's room

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum. However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum

I think I'll just use random.org to figure out where to hide. There really is no strategy that I can think of. There is a 1/11 chance of not dying (well 1/10 after a lynch today - I like those odds)

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FUCK! WHAT THE FUCK!

Katsuki is scum god damn it, I can feel it in my bones...

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fuck that.. MPR is probably just as frustrated as I am with the people in this game...

Though if Vezok does flip scum - I think I will probably be next for "sticking up" for him

Which is fine, if he does flip scum and you lynch me and then I flip town FOR THE LOVE OF GOD LYNCH KATSUKI

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And also sorry for neglecting game.. kinda... FFXIV came out, and I'm addicted to it like a crack whore giving blowjobs for meth money

Though SE needs to fix the friggin server lag

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Oh - and Triple post FTW - If Vezok does flip scum, and I get lynched and I flip town.. after you lynch Katsuki - Look at Elli as well, I smell scum in those two

Calling it now - Katsuki and Elli are scum...

Not sure of the other 1 or 2 thogh yet

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vote: MPR

And katsuki is trying to get me lynched because she knows I am town

I too stayed in my own room after I attempted to hide in DGB's roomn

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Sure - lynch me I'll take one for the town my life for katsuki's life - sounds good to me a 1:1 is perfectly fine with me

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I just know that I didn't hide in vezok's room, and tried to hide in DGB's room

but got kicked into some unknown room

Lynch all liars

I tried to hide in DGF's room last night and was told (Like I surmised yesterday) that the mod wouldn't randomly kick you into someone elses room rather they would make you stay in your own room or tell you to hide somewhere else.

I was told to hide somewhere else.

If you do not believe me, try to hide in DGF's room tonight and see what she tells you

Vote: Katsuki

Also ISO Katsuki and look at her posts, tell me you do not get the feeling that she is scum just trying to fly under the radar.

K, thanks

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I wanted to see if anyone else would jump on Katsuki's BW on me, also the fact that she tried to play off MPR being guilty for the quickhammer. So if Katsuki does flip scum it isn't looking very good for MPR tomorrow.

Now I think scum may be

Katsuki
Pom
MPR

(I know there is only 2 left, but I'm almost positive the last 2 are in those 3)

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Considering it was 3 consecutive posts.

I got those 3 votes as I was going home from class. So, yeah, I am surprised.

Honestly, tans has done nothing, and accuses me of doing nothing? That is really funny.

Get defensive more and post in MOAR CAPS! - really makes you look obv-town /sarcasm

I am silly and can't believe I forgot.

Unvote, Vote tans

Vezo isn't gonna be back to explain his actions.

If MPR did in fact hammer, he'll be facing the same questions vezo was.

And then in your very next post after camn jumped on MPR right off the gate:

I dunno about MPR, he seems to like quick-lynching in every game I'm in with him...

Flip-flop much?

You have been banging the "Tans is scum" drum all game with no reasoning behind it - when asked for reasoning you basically say "he just is go look"

Looking forward to your next post where you will be going over my ISO with a fine tooth comb looking for anything

And I like how you avoided the question about lying - why WOULD you lie. why not just say mod told me I could not hide in her room so I hid somewhere else? You think by saying "Hid somewhere else" is going to tell us whose room you hid in?

And if you want to compare me with Zwet, I think I shall now compare you with Fate for posting an entire message ALL IN CAPS

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I can play the ISO card too.

Also going through it seems Katsuki is buddying up to Elli A LOT.

ISO0 - Makes a joke about Elli
ISO1 - single emoticon post
ISO2 - Says that Elli likes to call her Katsu
ISO3 - Says Katsu means boom
ISO4 - Joke vote on Elli
ISO5 - Scolds Pom for mispelling her name
ISO6 - Asks Vezok to answer Ellie's question
ISO7 - EBWOP for last ISO
ISO8 - Votes Vezo
ISO9 - Claims we have scum in referencing my last post saying to lets BW Katsuki
ISO10 - Says I'm not Zwet - says to lynch Vezok then me
ISO11 - Says I'm not town.. again... still no reasoning given
ISO12 - See ISO11 - I'm serious - same as ISO11
ISO13 - Getting slightly defensive to camn because Katsu didn't give a top 3 pick
ISO14 - Claims she "forgot" to give her top 3, proceeds to do so - says I am not playing with a town meta.. oh finally a reason.. kind of? Care to elaborate?
ISO15 - Talks about board posting times
ISO16 - Votes Mongoose.. wait, what? Why? Nowhere in any previous post have you mentioned Mongoose at all, nor in this post - bandwagoning much?
ISO17 - Says basically "The reason I voted mongoose is because he made up stuff to jump on my wagon" - I can't make this shit up people (Oh and mongoose is confirmed town now)
ISO18 - Nothing new to add (No seriously, that is what the ENTIRE post said)
ISO19 - Gets defensive against mongoose. Says that she is too lazy to analyze the thread
ISO20 - Votes Vezo
ISO21 - Corrects Mods player count
ISO22 - Says mod kicked her into an "unknown" room - also another interesting tidbit - she says she has YET to read page 9 - now, her last post ISO21 WAS ON PAGE 9 - I'll let you make your own descision on that
ISO23 - Finally makes her first post of the game that actually contributes something
ISO24 - Talks about the idea of co-ordinating the hiding at night
ISO25 - Quotes me asking do I need to comment on this statement (The statement she quoted was me on last day saying I do not think mod will randomly assign you a room)
ISO26 - Says she was able to setup internet
ISO27 - Talks about night actions again
ISO28 - Asks camn to answer her questions
ISO29 - Quotes her ISO27 (I guess that was the question? I was confused as well since it didn't end with a ?)
ISO30 - Vezo flaked? Then lets lynch Tans
ISO31 - Comments that she didn't know Mike was in the game
ISO32 - Starts to do her "Fate" impersonation for doing entire posts in CAPS - in this post she gets called out to find a game that Elli played in where he was town, and Katsuki refuses to do this and instead says maybe I'll find it when you start posting
ISO33 - Posts to Elli saying Vezok is not the only thing to talk about
ISO34 - Tells Elli that I am scum
ISO35 - Argues with camn about post 237 - and says that camn did not answer her question in response - think this must mean Katsuki's ISO27?!? - Again I was confused as well since it was not phrased as a question.
ISO36 - Votes me again, says if MPR hammered he will be facing questions
ISO37 - Says that MPR's meta is quick hammering - contract your VERY LAST POST?
ISO38 - Says I am scum - no reason given
ISO39 - Says she hid in camn's room - hey camn - if you are a light sleeper can you confirm this?
ISO40 - Katsuki says to look at my entire ISO and that is why I am scum
ISO41 - Speaking to Elli again telling him to vote me
ISO42 - Accuses me of OMGUS
ISO43 - This wagon built too quickly
ISO44 - WAAAAAAAAAAAHMULANCE
ISO45 - Half hearted attempt at an ISO on me
ISO46 - Askes Far_cry a question

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a) Camn, you have YET to tell me how claiming night actions help in organizing town, DESPITE me chasing you for it throughout the entirety of D2 (or starting from when you asked it).
As to whether I am truthful about where I hid, I will keep to myself. Hence, WIFOM.

It could catch a scum in a lie - if they said they hid somewhere a light sleeper was the light sleeper could say "Uhh - you wern't in X's room"

b) Already explained.

Already explained? With this?

EVER CONSIDER THAT, WHILE THIS GAME WAS IN NIGHT, THAT MPR MAYBE HAS DONE OTHER STUFF THAT MAKES ME QUESTION WHETHER HIS HAMMER WAS INDEED SCUM HAMMER?

I am assuming you are talking about another game? In which well, you shouldn't even be mentioning in this game if it is an ongoing game? And if it is an ongoing game, you

know

we can't ask you about it so really you answered the question by not answering it...

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I have tried to hide in DGB's room both night, only to be rejected.

Everything else, probably.

And lying is pro-town because...?

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I have tried to hide in DGB's room both night, only to be rejected.

Everything else, probably.

And lying is pro-town because...?

BECAUSE, WHEN YOU GUYS FELT IT WAS FUN TO NOT EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THE HIDING THING DESPITE ME ASKING AGAIN AND AGAIN, THAT LYING WOULD, OFC, BE PRO-TOWN TO CREATE SCUM WIFOM. THE FACT THAT THEY'VE YET TO HIT ANYONE MEANS THAT THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE HIDING.

@Farcry: He is obvscum in my eyes due to his play. I have seen his town-play before. It was far far different. Not to mention the stuff he did D1. I dunno, I said why, but if I didn't explain it clearly, just ask.

P-EDIT: FAR_CRY, HE JUST USED CAPS AS AN ARGUMENT FFS. CAPS =/= DEFENSIVENESS.

I fail to see your reasoning behind if scum knows where you hid they can guess with any certainty where I you are going to hide the next night, care to explain that logic to me, as I am trying to wrap my head around why you would think that, unless you had a pattern of hiding in peoples rooms in order of their name alphabetically or something.

And the only time you saw my town play was in the Castlevania game, which was here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 23&t=15069

Was also town here: (Replaced in)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&t=14792

Here (died N1)
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 51&t=14742

If you are going to try and meta me maybe you should base it off more than one game where I had most of the scum and town on me day 1

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fuck that.. MPR is probably just as frustrated as I am with the people in this game...

Why do you say this? I was frustrated with people before due to their lack of activity. However, it has picked up as of late. Would you still say this, tans?

Did not even see you post this, must have posted as I was getting quotes or something.

Anyhow - I meant he probably just wanted to get a lynch done to get the game moving, see some flips, etc

I'd say that we have a lot more to go on now that we saw the mongoose flip and who was pushing for that wagon and now with the vezok flip. So I would agree with you in the past week or so the game has picked up quite a bit, yes

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Erm

I've seen other games you're in.

I also happened to see your slippery self in SS mafia.

P-EDIT: INTERESTING HOW YOU'RE TALKING FOR MPR. HRMMMMMMMMMMMMM

SS Mafia?

Super Smash?

I gotz me a nomination for a scummy in that game

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O wait.. now you are ignoring my questions!

You P-edited so you saw my post but didn't answer my questions

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P-EDIT: INTERESTING HOW YOU'RE TALKING FOR MPR. HRMMMMMMMMMMMMM

And I'll acknowledge this even though it ISN'T a question - I was ASKED a question by far_cry and answered it - he asked me why I said what I said in a quote and I answered him, which is more than I can say about you.

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Wondering if maybe the scum all hid in the same room on N1..

Any chance a light sleeper hid in the same room as Vezok on N1? And if so - maybe you could tell us who else was in that room?

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I think Katsu is combative, inconsistent, and unable to play a pro-town game.

Best case: a townie who will never be nightkilled

, and will lose the game for us if given the chance.
More likely? Scum.

In a normal mafia game the bolded would be true in this type of game being NK'd is just unlucky

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I fail to see your reasoning behind if scum knows where you hid they can guess with any certainty where I you are going to hide the next night, care to explain that logic to me, as I am trying to wrap my head around why you would think that, unless you had a pattern of hiding in peoples rooms in order of their name alphabetically or something.

Let's try this again

@KATSUKI

- The above was directed at you - please answer and stop trying to throw suspicion on other people instead

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Anyone else getting the feeling Katsuki and Elli went from scum buddying to bussing?

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Elli went from middle to scum.

You went from one end of the spectrum to the other.

@Tans: I believe that over multiple nights, scum can probably guess where someone might hide given their habits.

I wouldn't know, but then, answer me this, how would we claim then help?

You said not claiming doesnt help, but I still do not see how everyone claiming helps.

Also, I wonder if I've become a drip? :O

Oh and BTW - I'm not avoiding your question - I already gave one reason why saying where we were could benefit the town - if you are really not paying attention to this game even if you are town - which at this point I doubt - having a townie that isn't paying attention to the game isn't beneficial.

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Anyone else getting the feeling Katsuki and Elli went from scum buddying to bussing?

Perhaps this is very much true.

And Elli just posted 3 times and ignored that statement.

Noted.

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Please define active group - by my definition of "Active group" and "right now" I count 5 people who are not in "the active group"

Mikeburnfire
jenniwren
Pon
Thebuttonmen
MPR

So which are you referring to?

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OK - maybe not Pom - she has had 3 posts today/yesterday (depending what day you are in right now)

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Well, out of 10 people you take a swath of 5.. so out of 50% of the remaining people in the game you think there might be scum..

Well there are only 2 left, care to narrow it down a bit?

Now some people think lurking/active lurking is a scumtell, some think it is a null tell - I guess I know which camp you are in?

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Another reason to talk about night choices - we have been extremely lucky thus far on not getting NK'd - however as we lose people due to mislynch, etc our choices of rooms gets smaller which increased chances that

A)More townies will hide in the same room
B)Scum will hit a room with townies in it

Right now though I am on the fence about telling people where to go

The pro to it is we would only lose 1 person at the max
The con to it is scum know they will get a guaranteed kill on whoever they target (since there is no chance of a doctor protecting anyone)

For the moment I am fine with not talking about where we are going to hide; if we get a bad night where a bunch of townies die in one room I may have to rethink this.

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First:

Tans, early in the game you said you liked to switch up your meta so you couldn't be read...and today you told Kats to check out your games. Is your meta useful or not?

Basing a meta off of one game or off multiple games.. which do you think would be more accurate? Even though I may "try" to play differently there are probably playstyles that I do subconsciously that you may pick up on. Serious question: Was that a serious question from you?

Second:

Tans, you keep coming back to identifying light sleepers. Why is this information necessary for you to have?

Durp hurr - Seriously? The first quote I even said that was a bad idea. I never said hey light sleepers tell me who you are, I said that a reason to say where you hid would be if a light sleeper could counter that claim we would know that either the person who claimed LS is lying or the person who said they hid in that paticular room is lying, so we lynch the person who claimed the room hide first then if they flip town we lynch the "so-called" light sleeper as they obviously lied.

Even IF the light sleeper came forward there is no way that scum is going to be able to know where they hide the next night. I do not see any disadvantage of a LS outing themselves if they have INFORMATION to SHARE - Do you disagree?

Third:

You are also stuck on an Elli/Kats pair:

And you just dismiss everything I said about an Elli/Kats pair? You are saying that my case on them has no merit?

You know what I'm getting a feeling of? That one, if not both of you, is scum. The tunneling has been pretty hardcore on both sides, but so far, neither of you has pushed it through to a lynch, as other candidates have taken precedent on both days. I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if you both flipped scum. Even today, you're at each others throats, and the Kats wagon got some momentum, and

now you're going back to the idea that she and Elli are scum buddies

(just as she suggested you were answering for MPR earlier), and it seems like you're turning your attention to Elli more now...lighting a fire to burn him, maybe. On D1, you also switched from voting Kats to voting mongoose, and on D2, you focused your vote on Kats and supported Vezok.

@bolded - Umm, we have MORE THAN ONE scum left - did you forget that? Would you rather me tunnel on one person and not pay attention to how they interact with other people? Also - I like your choice of words in the bolded "Now you're

GOING BACK TO

the idea that she and Elli are scum" umm.. in the previous paragraph you just said I was stuck on an Elli/Kats pair... Did you forget that already? Are your lies causing you to be confused in this game?

Even though I'm almost 100% sure on Katsuki - I was iffy on Elli, with this post of yours sounding like you trying to discredit what I have said - which other people can see as well and have made comments on, I would say you just moved up to Elli level.

And I wouldn't say I "supported" Vezok, nice way of twisting my words there - I just said that I thought he was town because why would a mafia member blow up their own room, which was pointed out later that that would be a good WIFOM tactic.

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EBWODP:

Vote: Tanstalas

I saw this vote as I was posting my previous post but I figured I'd break it up since that one was getting long as it was.

Interesting also that you say you WOULDN'T be surprised if both of us are scum and then you vote me, even though I have made (in my opinion) valid points about Katsuki - and OTHER people in this game have made valid points, and yet you decide to vote me? You serious?

You have no comment at all on ANY of the other posts in here detailing how scummy Katsuki looks?

Yeah, ok.

Katsuki, Jenni, Elli - I'm coming back to this post at endgame.

I am sure that the last 2 scum are contained in those 3.

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ATTN TOWN.

JENN AND FAR-CRY ARE SCUM.

THAT IS ALL.

VOTE: FAR-CRY.

I'd switch to a Jenni wagon, but I'm not sure about far_cry

Also - just noticed you are in Ontario - me too

@work now

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ON D2 you said we should identify the light sleepers and put everyone in different rooms..

.can you seriously not see the problem with this?

And it would still be one person's word against another's word, unless more than one light sleeper was also able to verify it. I don't have any problems with INFORMATION, but what good is the information? It won't be useful until there are fewer people and fewer rooms.

Are you fucking serious? Let me bold the part of that quote that you should pay attention to - you know the part where I said "IT'S A BAD IDEA"

And it wouldn't be one persons word against anothers. If I say You, Button, MPR and Katsuki need to be in Katsuki's room and KAtsuki's room blew up and you wern't in there - that is pretty OBVIOUS you wern't there as you wouldn't die. And if someone said they were a light sleeper and said that for example you were not in the room you should have been in we lynch you and if you flip town we know the person who claimed they were a LS was lying.

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum.

However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum

I think I'll just use random.org to figure out where to hide. There really is no strategy that I can think of. There is a 1/11 chance of not dying (well 1/10 after a lynch today - I like those odds)

Right now I am more interested in a Tans/Kats pair--it seems much more obvious to me than an Elli/Kats pair, and I've been thinking about it since D1, so I want to investigate it.

Riiiight, yet you say this and yet everyone else pretty much sees what I see in Katsuki and brings up other points yet you still vote me, and you also still have yet to

comment on my case

on Katsuki - or

ANYONE's CASE on her

for that matter. Deflect more from your scum partner AMIRITE?

LOL. I know how many scum we have left, and I think you are definitely one, and Kats is probably the other. You have maintained "suspicion" on Kats since RVS, and you first brought up the Elli idea at the end of D2. You brought it up yesterday, and today you started focusing on Kats, and a little later, you brought Elli up again. When I say "stuck on" and "going back to" THAT is what I'm talking about.

So before I and KAt were the scum now I DEFINITELY am, and Katsuki is PROBABLY...

And for your stance on Vezok, allow me to refresh your memory:

Well - interesting. Vezok confirmed town AMIRITE?

Vote: Katsuki

Her top 3 consisted of myself, camn and Vezok - as far as I am concerned Vezok is probably town - getting a town vibe from camn and I know I am town.

You wanted to clear him right away on D2. He quick-hammered, then his room got blown up, and then you wanted to confirm him RIGHT AWAY, and you voted Kats AGAIN right away, just like yesterday. Today, you start with Kats AGAIN and work Elli in later on, just like you did with mongoose on D1. I'm noting a pattern of interactions.

The pattern is that I am voting for Katsuki because she is scum. Did you not notice that Katsuki removed her vote on Vezok after she saw the MPR vote - and according to her she wasn't sure that MPR had hammered or not - does that not seem scummy to you, especially now knowing how vezok flipped?

I am silly and can't believe I forgot.

Unvote, Vote tans

Vezo isn't gonna be back to explain his actions.

If MPR did in fact hammer

, he'll be facing the same questions vezo was.

Prev. Edit: I can only vote one at a time, Tans...defensive much?

Not defensive - just frustrated that I have to take the time to answer your flailing as I have your scum buddy nailed to the wall

I really don't think MPR is scum now - he did give plently of notice before he hammered and he hammered a scum. WIFOM I know but that is my opinion.

I have a much better case on Katsuki and now Jenni (Elli is more of a gut read based on interactions between him and Katsuki)

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You never explained it like this; it's more clear now that you use examples and names

. And the point I was originally making was you brought up the light sleepers thing again on D3, even after the idea was dismissed on D2. It struck me as odd.

Again, I need to say durp durp about your statements - do I really need to hold your hand and explain everything to you? Based on what I said could you not figure that out? Maybe you should go back to the newbie queue

I started with you tonight because I felt like it. Now that I see I've kicked a hornet's nest, I'm going to stick with it until you either convince me you're innocent or you're lynched.

If I haven't convinced you I am innocent then I never will, every post you have made I have countered. You are the one who seems to be ignoring the case on Katsuki made by everyone.

I think you're bussing her and she's bussing you in hopes we'll think you're just two town butting heads and then moving to a stronger wagon after you've made sure everyone knows you are against each other. Like now, I call you out for this behavior, and suddenly you can move away from her and onto me. I think you were going to try to maneuver the wagon to Elli earlier as you started talking about how scummy he is and how he has to be Kats' partner. (Deflecting from YOUR partner much?) I think the plan is that you bus early, and eventually you'll change your vote, lynch someone other than one another, bomb a bedroom, and then repeat.

I haven't moved away from her and on to you...? Again this goes back to there being MORE THAN ONE scum in the game. I am going to analyze whatever people say, if they come off as scummy in what they say I will attack them for it like I attacked you.

I fail to see how I "moved away" from Katsuki *checks to see where his vote still is* yup still on Katsuki

The fact that you think I would abandon my Katsuki vote for Elli at this point is laughable - you bringing that up as a point as to why you think I am scummy is even moreso.

Yes. I think you're both scum. Like I said, I started with you tonight because

I saw something in your voting patterns

and your interactions and I wanted to follow up on it. Your reaction has been quite interesting.

Yeah, the fact I always went back to Katsuki is the pattern, becuz she is scum

Yes, I think she's scummy, but I also have a theory that you're partners making a big gambit, and I want to address that theory.

I like how you are playing here, so that when/if Katsuki gets lynched and if she flips scum you can say "ooh look I was right about Katsuki - I called it, Tans is scum too lets get him"

I made one post about you, and you completely came unglued. That's defensive. There also isn't any need for you to be frustrated over one post and one vote.

You seem to think everyone is defensive in this game. Let's gander at your ISO now shall we?

In your ISO-3 Accused mongoose of being defensive for an obviously sarcastic post by mongoose. Also in this same post I see you stuck up for Vezo saying that Vezo is just being defensive - hmmm.. so calling mongoose defensive.. wonder what alignment he is..? Oh yeah! That's right, he's town! And you also defended Vezo saying he was just being Vezo.. hmmm wonder what he could be... oh wait, yeah he was scum..

And later you reiterated your "Mongoose was very defensive" bullshit:

--mongoose: My RV was on him because of no avatar, which was random, but he reacted very defensively, so I kept it there.

Lets see what he actually said shall we?

An OMGUS vote?

I noticed your lack of an avatar first.

your attacking me again?

Vote jenni

again!

Wow - yeah seriously defensive, I'm surprised he wasn't lynched right there obv-scum.. oh wait..
Also - you DO realize he only has one vote and cannot actually "Vote you again"?


Oh wow, just noticed this post by you - commenting on me..

Tans

And the only thing I can think about for "using" the roles would be to have the light sleepers claim and if we have 3 or 4 we split everyone up into those peoples rooms hoping that we put a scum in each room so even if a room gets blown up if the person wasn't in the room they were supposed to be we know they are scum. However the more I thought about it - it is a bad idea cuz even if we managed to randomly put a scum in each room and they didn't go to that room we would lose 3 townies to kill 1 scum.

Right now, scum will have a 1/10 chance to hit anyone tonight. There is a huge chance they will hit an empty room again. As the numbers dwindle (either through bombing or lynching) it will begin to get easier to work out who is who, especially since the number of open rooms will also drop. Dividing players up now would only make it easy for them to take out players they feel threatened by.

I have an uneasy feeling about the amount of lurking going on at this stage in the game.

Wow, that bolded part is very insightful...

Oh wait, what's this?

I think I'll just use random.org to figure out where to hide. There really is no strategy that I can think of. There is a 1/11 chance of not dying (well 1/10 after a lynch today - I like those odds)

Hmm, you like parroting me? I posted that over 8 hours before you posted what you did.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BABY.. JACKPOT!

Tanstalas or

Mongoose

or Budja...at I guessing at least

one of them is scum

. Not enough information to go on yet, but between the a) concern about meta/self-voting, b)

the (active?) lurking

and only coming out to OMGUS voting, and c) the innocuous questioning...I'm just not seeing a lot of good intentions. Vezo's intentions are also questionable...but since that IS his meta, he's harder to read.

So you were basically saying the reason you thought Mongoose was scum was because he was lurking.. ok

NOTED

But then you go on to say:

I'm still here; there just hasn't been much to add lately.

Though I will say that I've never heard of lurking being used as a scum

hunting

tool.

What, wait... didn't you JUST use it as a "scum hunting tool" you said you thought Mongoose was probably scum because one of the reasons was "The (active?) lurking" but then you said... you have never heard of it as a scumhunting tool?

And then you say:

I have an uneasy feeling about the amount of lurking going on at this stage in the game.

So, first you say mongoose is scum for lurking, then you say you haven't heard of lurking being a scumhunting tool and then after that you say you have an "uneasy feeling" about the amount of lurking? Why? You said in the post before that that it isn't used as a scumhunting tool, so why would lurking make you uneasy? Oh wait - you ALSO said in the post before that post that mongoose was scummy for lurking..

Man - it's hard to be scum isn't it? Trying to keep all these lies straight?

I hope you like rope. You are getting it after Katsuki

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EBWOP: Oh and if you reply again, do us all a favor and just quote my points like I did for you, makes it easier to read

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EBWOTP:

Where I said:

In your ISO-3 Accused mongoose of being defensive for an obviously sarcastic post by mongoose. Also in this same post I see you stuck up for Vezo saying that Vezo is just being

defensive

It should have read:

In your ISO-3 Accused mongoose of being defensive for an obviously sarcastic post by mongoose. Also in this same post I see you stuck up for Vezo saying that Vezo is just being

Vezo

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First: MPR said he lurked in order to catch scum. Just want to clear that up.

Please quote where he said that

Thanks!

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It depends on whether or not they're trying to lynch me entirely as a policy lynch. If somebody thinks that I'm playing scummily, but doesn't realize that I'm always scummy, then they're not scum based off that. If they know that I always play like this and say "Hey, who cares if he's scum? I don't want to play with him so we need to lynch him!" then I'm leaning scum for them.

It was a discussion between him and camn.

He was talking about people thinking he was scum based on his playstyle which may include lurking - however I fail to see where - and I quote:

First: MPR said he lurked in order to catch scum. Just want to clear that up.

Where did MPR ever say that he used lurking as a tactic to catch scum? He was saying that if people think he is scummy based on his playstyle and they KNOW his playstyle but try to just get rid of him by saying they don't want to play with him then he thinks they may scummy.

In other words I did not get from MPR that he INTENTIONALLY lurks/plays bad to catch scum, just if he is playing with someone that he has played with before and does know his playstyle and wants to lynch him just for that reason and that reason alone then he would lean towards that person being scum.

Either way - I see where you are coming from now, so you are in the school of thought that lurking is scummy. So I need to ask you -

Would you consider yourself to have been "lurking" in this game if viewed through the eyes of others?

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Also, your entire defense has been built on attacking me rather than rationally addressing anything I said. Can you tone down the hate for five minutes and make a statement that explains that I'm wrong without screaming that I'm scum for daring to question you?

Is there any part of any of your posts that I have not addressed sufficiently?

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I believe I mentioned that earlier?

Just going on the assumption that the mafia talk and they all go to the same room at night, if Vezok happened to go to a room that had a LS in it then the LS could tell us who (if anyone) was with Vezok that night. Now even if Vezok was with a LS N1 and other people showed up in the same room it is not guaranteed those people are also scum, but I like more information rather than less.

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All but one:
You brought up the light sleeper thing on D3, which is the reason I even said anything about you bringing it up on D2.

Wondering if maybe the scum all hid in the same room on N1..

Any chance a light sleeper hid in the same room as Vezok on N1? And if so - maybe you could tell us who else was in that room?

What purpose would that information serve?

Oh wait - I mentioned it in the same post

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Well for example, Vezok obviously went to another person's room right?

So say he went to Katsuki's room because she is his scum buddy and he knows they aren't blowing up Katsuki's room.

If a town LS also went to Katsuki's room he may have seen other people there (which in this case it looks bad for me because I was in Katsuki's room)

Be interesting to see the scumchat when this is done and see if they all did go to the same room or what.. and also the cursing because they missed 2 shots thus far

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You can ignore the bulk of the Jenni/tans exchange.
Definitely read Katsuki at the beginning of the day... I would enjoy your input.

Okay, I'm still happy with my Kastuki vote; this is what I've got on him:

-He tunnels Tans, and in post 308, he twice lists the that a reason he finds Tans scummy is because Tans found him scummy. OMGUS much? How is that a reason?
-He WIFOMs everyone about his night action for no apparent or necessary reason, saying that it benefits town to confuse scum (302, 313, 316).
-He seems to get overly worried, and a bit defensive even about the first votes put on him at the very beginning of the day.

It's been pointed out that Katsuki is a "she" you saying he is confusing me

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Almost as many girls in this game as guys especially if you count the mod

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In addition, if we make it to a LyLo phase, we should claim where we hid during the various nights, THEN claim if we are heavy or light. We can catch lying scum best if we do it this way, I believe.

Not understanding the idea here. Both town are scum have light and heavy sleepers. As a result, I don't know how we could catch someone lying about something.

There is, however, perhaps a point to this idea, which you didn't mention. I think if it comes to this situation, we should probably say which night we stayed in every night. This perhaps will help us figure out who's scum. It's difficult to explain, but if we can figure out that someone (who is perhaps suspicious) keeps on gettting "missed" or so to say, we can perhaps deduce who's getting targeted, who's town trying to avoid these bombs, and who's scum trying to do the same.

It's going to be difficult however, to pull this off and figure out who's who with certainty. I think we should leave this issue if or until we reach a lylo phase. For now,

it's a little hard to see if this strategy will work.

If you are referring to far_cry's strategy - it would not work - I don't want to say why it wouldn't because it

might

- if the scum are really dumb, however if you put any thought whatsoever into that plan you will see why it would not work. I am sure Camn and I are thinking the exact same thing.

And your plan wouldn't work either if we are in LyLo how is being "missed" every night going to help us... if you are in LyLo - you were "missed" every night as well, so wouldn't your plan indicate that everyone in LyLo could be scum?

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Button
/ignore
Sorry.

The thing is, scum should have no motivation to lie about where they hid

. >.>
Unless I'm missing something?

DING - We have a winner

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Button
/ignore
Sorry.

The thing is, scum should have no motivation to lie about where they hid. >.>
Unless I'm missing something?

That's true. I guess that's what debunks the idea.

Anways, just screw my idea tans. I just overthought it and it makes no sense. We're going to have to come up with something different.

I have no problems with ideas being posted. I have been racking my brain trying to figure out if there is any way we can use LS to our advantage, however I cannot

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http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 8&sr=posts

Vote: Mehplus

If you are voting MPR for posting in non-game threads without being here, may I point out something?

Tans is obv scum in my eyes
Jenn I am not sure. Would say either tans or jenn is scum.
I really am still not sure about camn. Head says town, gut says scum.
Elli is prob town.
Far_cry, maybe town.
Pom needs to post more
TBM, kind of same as pom.


I am busy today.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts (She has made 29 posts since that "I am busy today post" and now - yet she hasn't been in this thread)

Granted MPR hasn't posted since Monday - But Katsuki hasn't posted since Tuesday - and she is the more likely suspect right now. I would think she would be in here defending herself, no?

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Or maybe, someone forgot to post here because they were busy making catchup posts in other games as well. Plus, Tuesday was yesterday...

Weak case is weak case, Tans is still scum.

I will sleep soundly knowing that.

It's Thursday where I live, where do you live where is is currently Wednesday?

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I am almost positive at this point that the remaining scum are Kat and Elli - if Katsuki does flip scum. (Sorry Camn, I do not agree with your reasoning for declaring Elli town)

Elli was on the BW that killed mongoose
Elli was not on the BW that lynched Vezok
(Granted you could say the above two points about me as well)

However if Katsuki does flip scum I am almost positive about Elli due to the interactions from Katsuki to Elli near the start of the game and then the (what appears to me) bussing as the game went on.

Also not liking how Elli is trying to start a BW on MPR now for MPR's lack of inactivity when the same could be said about Katsuki - really Katsuki should be posting - she is in the frying pan

Also Elli was quick to hop on the Katsuki wagon, but after she got up to 4 votes and a FoS from far_cry he quickly jumped off the wagon and when asked why he said he changed his mind and then when pushed further for reasoning as to why he changed his mind he said that he didn't intend to explain it but Camn should know what he means?

@Camn

- Do you know what he means?

Also not liking the Elli thing "The scumzorz are in the lurkers!!!" Easy cop-out me thinks.

Elli is doing to much redirection and not really commenting on Katsuki lately - when I think a lot of stuff has gone down lately.

@Elli

- I would REALLY like you to explain the two following quotes as they give me a really uneasy feeling

THE PERSON I'M SECRETLY TRANSMITTING TO.
I KNOW YOU'RE THERE.
YES YOU.

Katsu, Drippere style transfer amirite?
If you don't get what I mean nvm.

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NO POSTING TONIGHT

ALCOHOL AND MAFIA DO NOT MIX.

ELLI IS PROB NOT SCUM.

Drunk posting and trying to clear your scum partner?

Yes alcohol and posting do not mix - for proof check out my rant in SSB game lol

Surprised I wasn't modkilled

Anyhow - where the fuck are the other players?

@Mod/DGB

- Can you prod MPR?

And seriously - Pom, Mike and TBM - can you guys try to be more active?

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YOU';RE A RETARD

AND ARE SCUM

STFU.

HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL ALIVE ANYWAYSS.

Well, and now we are resorting to insults. Nice.

I know you love me Katsuki *kiss*

Just too bad you had to be scum and I had to tie a rope around your neck.

Enjoi Bondage?

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Drunk posting and trying to clear your scum partner?

THIS IS YOUR DERP STATEMENT.

Trying to even it out for you since all of your posts for the last few days have been DERP posts

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I thought Tans was scum?

I was wondering the same thing...

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@ TBM - So who is FC's partner then?

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Starting to wonder if MPR AND DGB flaked from this game - MPR hasn't posted since monday and I have yet to see DGB respond to me asking for a prod on him

When players flake its one thing when mods flake...

Is there a backup mod this game?

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I've been having so many stomachaches throughout this game.

I really think tans is scum,

but there can only be 3 scum (most probably)

. Jenni is prob scum too.

MOD NOTE:

Regarding the scum role PM. I'm being asked if we have 4 scums.

In fact, my intention was to let it be known that the scum team has 3 players.

I simply have each mafia member's own name as part of the x, y, z list.

Scum skimming the posts and not paying attention? AMIRITE?

Yeah my vote is staying where it is now.

And really love your flip flopping on who is scum.

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Scum skimming the posts and not paying attention? AMIRITE?

Yeah my vote is staying where it is now.

And really love your flip flopping on who is scum.

I don't get how lines 1 or 3 is scummy at all. >.>
But I mean ...the main reason i think Kats is town right now is BECAUSE he was lying...

Line 1 is scummy because I have found (and feel free to argue) that scum tend to pay less attention to posts since they know who is scum and who is town.

Line 3 is scummy because it almost seems like she forgot what game she was in - she was banging the "Tans is scum" drum all game then all of a sudden out of nowhere Camn and Jenni were scum.. kinda goes back to point 1 ^. Also it makes me feel as though she is flailing this game, testing the waters by throwing "x is scum" or "y is scum" in hopes that someone else may have been thinking that and run with it.

I admit I am tunneling on Katsuki now though and anything she says now I will find some way to think it scummy.

You sticking up for Katsuki though and not letting her defend herself.

noted

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You sticking up for Katsuki though and not letting her defend herself.

noted

I don't like this. Elli didn't do anything wrong/scummy.

Does me thinking Kats/Elli as a scumpair seem to be a new concept to you?

I'm just putting that there as a quick reference so if Kats gets lynched and if she flips scum I can go back and reference this point easier.

If you look through my ISO you will notice I put "noted" as a reminder for me in some posts

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I hate so many of you.

This game would end faster if you would all vote Far_cry.

I better not be one of those

You are within 24 hours driving distance of me

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If DMSIS is replaced for either of those people...

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Look.. If I Katsu and I were scum, that would mean I have been pounding away at her all game

My mind went straight to the gutter after that opening sentence...

Anyhow, in all seriousness. I am starting to doubt if Katsu is scum, however, her play this game is terrible at best and I would like to see her lynched just for that. The lying, the voting people with nothing to back it up, the (apparent to me) buddying and bussing, etc.

I think either way she flips will give us information that will be helpful to the town.

I can't tell you the reasons why I think she may be town because that would involve discussing ongoing games

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And yes, Happy Birthday DGB

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Katsu claim hide locations plz.

Katsuki - is there a reason you do not want to answer?

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@Mod - I need to be replaced a family emergency has come up and I do not know when I will be able to post next