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[vezokpiraka]

With eleven alive you think there are still 5 scums alive?

[pacman281292]

It's possible.
17/6 isn't an impossible scenario. It's most likely it would be 17/5, but IMO we should consider the worst case scenario.

[vezokpiraka]

Ah I see.
I think it's much likely 5 than 6 because we are only 17 not 18.

[Plum]

Or even 4 scum.

[Chronopie]

17/4 = 4 1/4 (the fabled 25% guideline) - 1 (lynched scum) = 3 remaining. (rounded)

so 3/11 players are scum. (or so I guess)

[AGar]

Hmm... 13/4 is actually sensible, especially since it's been mostly vanilla up until now on flips.

I think with the limited flips we've had showing no town PRs of any sort up until Soc, 13/4 seems most likely. A 12/5 might be a bit of an imbalance in scum favor, and 11/6 is definitely a broken setup without a myriad of town PRs, which we haven't seen. We'd be at 6/5 right now if it was 6 scum. After 3 days, in a large, that seems insane.

Anyways, aside from setup speculation, it seems Soc must've tracked Vezo. I dunno if he was assuming that there were fewer scum or what, but either way, scum saw him as a problem, so Vezo is likely confirmed by that logic.

Furc trying to get town to rally around him is pinging my radar as a scum move. I dislike his "Whatever," hammer, and his posts after "I thought you were scum or a town PR, but didn't know alignment, so I hammered."

Terrible posting.
Terrible playing.
Scummy player.

VOTE: Furcolow

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree that one of the following is a correct statement.

Terrible playing.
Scummy player.

VOTE: Furcolow

I am leaning that he is just a bad player....going to reread...something about Iece is bothering me...going to check back when he was "following" my lead with his vote...not sure what about my play gave him such confidence about my alignment.

[Furcolow]

judge you know for a fact i am not scum, because you have a list of who is scum, and i am not on it

[Me=Weird]

Well, I guess that means vezo's more likely town, but not definitely.

Vote: Furcolow

I've already stated some reasons, but he's now used flavor stuff that we don't know about as a case, hammered LL without a claim when he viewed LL as either scum or a

Power role.

Imagine if he'd been right about the PR. We'd be down 2 PR's, only having a idea about one target of one of them. Bad.

I'm thinking there's either 3 or 4 scum left, or 3 and a SK/other 3d party role.

[Friend]

No. Furcolow is town.

vote: Me=Weird

Replaced a scummy player and is scummy himself.

[Me=Weird]

Nice explanation. That has got to be the most convincing case in the history of uninformed majority vs. informed minority.
And how do you know he's town?

[Friend]

Have you read the thread? He's a VI but he's town.

[Me=Weird]

But I think he's a VI-scum. Is thinking that scummy?

[Friend]

Not inherently, but the way you've been presenting it is.

[Me=Weird]

Explain why the way I've been presenting it is scummy.

[Friend]

The way you voted mothrax was also very scummy. You basically paid no attention to him when the wagon was building, instead focusing on VI-type easy targets like furc and vezo, and then when it grew easy to jump on, you bussed with an IIoA filled "case."

[pacman281292]

Or even 4 scum.

Oh yeah. You're right. Dumb me.
If it's 4 scum, then we still do have a healthy buffer. I'm still inclined to believe it's 5 scum, but I think we have concluded it isn't LyLo yet,. else the game would be severely scum-biased.

Furc trying to get town to rally around him is pinging my radar as a scum move. I dislike his "Whatever," hammer, and his posts after "I thought you were scum or a town PR, but didn't know alignment, so I hammered."

I do agree with this part of your post. Now that vezo is likely town, I think it's again

possible

that Furc is scum. Indeed, his play is quickly deteriorating again.

FoS: Furcolow.

More later I think. I'm overloaded with homework.

[Vi]

Vote Count XXXIII

~ Disarray in every direction

Furcolow (L-4) ~ AGar, Me=Weird

Me=Weird (L-5) ~ Friend

Not Voting:

AGar,

Chronopie,

Me=Weird, Friend,

Furcolow, Iecerint, pacman, Plum, curiouskarmadog, SocioPath, vezokpiraka

AGar 0 | Chronopie 0 | Me= 0 | Friend 0 | Furc 0 | Iece 0 | pacman 0 | Plum 0 | ckd 0 | Socio 2 | vezo 0

--With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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[Furcolow]

i guess me=weird is his scumbuddy, or dumb town
i am going to commit to this game, but it is 6am, and i have been up all night playing halo reach
i promise to do more in depth analysis tomorrow and give you some scumidates
i do not promise i will be able to find scum, but i do believe i will try unless my friends swoop me up pretty fast tomorrow.

if the people voting me are both town, i would be willing to consider abandoning ever playing mafia again
pretty sure it is scum trying to push a mislynch on me for the 3rd consecutive day in a row (see: mothrax)
I am pretty much confirmed town by how long mothrax and his scumbuddies sat on my wagon
I hate having to admit vezokpiraka is likely to be town, though

I am pretty sure me=weird/beefster's slot is a scum slot
I feel comfortable putting my vote there as a placeholder. I may keep it there, I may not. We'll see.
If I do some scumhunting, I'm definitely going to start with the people voting me, and Beefster was scummy.

[Furcolow]

oh, yea

vote: me=weird

as promised

[curiouskarmadog]

Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?

[Iecerint]

Vote: Me=Weird

[Furcolow]

Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?

I don't have a lot of time, but I can definitely answer this before I go. I am not saying that I have been a bastion of pro-town play, but this is NOT my scum play. If you want to see how I play as scum, I will provide you as many links as I possibly can. I have been pro-town only through scum attempting to wagon me and failing: mothrax, possibly, though sadly doubtfully vezokpiraka, possibly agar/me=weird today. Point being, I am admittedly an easy ass target for a mislynch... but we are not going to let that happen. By remaining steadfast, cooperative, and by not posting one liners I am not necessarily the best pro-town player in the world, but I am shying away from my style as scum which indicates that I AM town. By indicating I AM town, and by remaining through attempted scum mislynches, I am "doing things I deem pro-town".

Do I think I've done anything scummy? Sure. A few PR softclaims, claiming townie, wishy-washy voting, but these are all typical town behaviors from me. Scummy=/=scum, bro.

[Furcolow]

Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?

And now I will ask you your own question:
what have YOU done to help the town?
if you talk about light/smoke speculation I am going to vote you.

[Friend]

Do I think I've done anything scummy? Sure. A few PR softclaims, claiming townie, wishy-washy voting, but these are all typical town behaviors from me.

Exactly my point. Furc is VItown via meta reads.