Mini 1057: Unsubsidized Mafia (Game Over!)

[jimfinn]

/confirm.

[jimfinn]

VOTE: DemonHybrid most people who have played with me before know why

[jimfinn]

I always RVS someone who has a capital letter that does not start a word in their name, if one such player exists.

[jimfinn]

Yeah, not really. Nexus's comments sound joking to me, but the case against Nexus seems to be with misguided protown intentions, not deliberate misrep. Still RVS in my book.

[jimfinn]

Checking in to say I'm here, working on developing reads, but I'm just getting the feeling everyone else is as confused as I am so far, and I can't say I feel that confident in any of my reads so far. I'm slightly suspicious of redtail for his refusal to vote with his case, yet seeming relatively sure of it, but that's about it.

[jimfinn]

I do believe in scum lists/town lists, but not on page 6. Once you get real reads, it's a good idea. If every player in the game makes a list as such, we can use the patterns as flips come through and really learn a lot.

[jimfinn]

I'm going to theory discuss here based on some of my previous games and on a thread in MD, in light of the recent VT claim. I believe (obviously) that town should be trying to lynch scum first and foremost. However, if a person claims VT on D1 it is generally in the town's best interest to lynch him. The reason for this is that the scum's primary goal is to kill the PRs. If there are 12 players in the game in the form of 3Scum, 3PRs, and 6VTs, and the town lynches a claimed VT, the scum have a 3 in 8 chance of hitting a PR. If the town lynches another person who also flips VT, the scum will not target the first claimed VT and therefore have a 3 in 7 chance of killing a PR.

That said, I think that there is still plenty of time left in this day and we should not lynch DH right now, but if discussion stalls and we feel unable to catch scum with deadline approaching, we should seriously consider returning to his lynch as the lynch to avoid a no-lynch.

I will UNVOTE: DH
VOTE: Far_Cry because he refused to unvote on the grounds it would look ridiculous to unvote so soon. A scum needs to avoid doing things that look ridiculous, while a townie just needs to hunt for scum.

[jimfinn]

Wait, so Far_Cryscum is abandoning the DH wagon after I call him out for not unvoting in a continued attempt to look more town, and decides to take revenge by OMGUS voting the person who caused said wagon to fall apart.

[jimfinn]

I really wish we had a lie detector in this game...

[jimfinn]

After Far_Cry, my second scum read right now is DH, but that's not a particularly solid read - claiming VT at L-2 is a move I dislike and in my opinion (due to Hohum's Theory, which I believe) is antitown at best, and could even be a scum trying to relieve some pressure and not risk an eager hammer. At the same time, the intention of the claim seems genuine, just misguided, so I'm going to leave my vote on FC

[jimfinn]

VOTE: far_cry my vote was on you at the end of the day, and the flips only strengthen that opinion.

[jimfinn]

I am by no means trying to speedlynch, but rather try to affirm that nothing has occurred to weaken the suspicion that was present in my mind on day 1.

[jimfinn]

My point in wishing we had a lie detector is to say that Thor's sarcasm was being unhelpful unless we had a lie detector.

[jimfinn]

I say that singer's flipping scum strengthens my read on FC because at times they appeared to be "directing" each other. Am I still being asked to claim or not? Also, SV, what metaing did you read on me?

[jimfinn]

which games, i mean?

[jimfinn]

Haven't we given you plenty of specific examples about Far_Cry?

And since I'm at L-1, I'm a VT.

[jimfinn]

What do you mean, Thor?

[jimfinn]

Four days? We're only on day 2!

[jimfinn]

Why would you rather put the hammer on jimfinn, though? I mean, he at least has actually stuck his neck out and voted for people, for reasons other than that they are after him.

Far_Cry posts long, wishy-washy analyses that mirror what other people have been saying, and really only makes a strong stand against jimfinn, who is such an easy lynch to sell. It just seems to me like he is lying low after stumbling several times yesterday,

and I feel like a town player would dust himself off and at least try to genuinely participate.

Thank you for this excellent summary of why FC's D2 play is scummy.

[jimfinn]

Oh, finally activity picks up. I see some things flying around, and some votes on me. I don't have time to post today, but I will do analysis and post tomorrow.

If that's not a prod-dodge, I don't know what is.

[jimfinn]

One of the strongest reasons for me to support a Far_Cry lynch right is that he was relatively active early in the game, trying to push activity forward, but when the pressure starts to come onto him for the other things I have already mentioned, he starts to uberlurk so that he doesn't have to answer the accusations. Town would try to make a reasonable reply.

[jimfinn]

the only case against me is not posting enough, right? that's kinda impossible to make a response to, but FC, we have concrete things we want him to respond to: prolonging RVS, a few suspicious comments, being coached by singer, etc.

[jimfinn]

I've probably been posting twice as often as FC on D2, and any of my posts that were not replies to things people have said to me have been trying to convince others to vote FC and increase the pressure. votes=pressure, and my vote is already on him.