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[curiouskarmadog]

or are your lights/smoke based on opinion?

[curiouskarmadog]

are there dead players amongst your ranks?

[Iecerint]

Well, it would be a sane Cop with massive communication problems. Not out of the question.

[Iecerint]

And not necessarily a Cop; any investi-stuff would do.

[Iecerint]

Or they could have a 3rd party wincon.

[pacman281292]

Seems like light/smoke is just a MASSIVE post restriction of the non-players of this game.
Effectively, its like only being able to quote a post, but not actually say anything about it.
There are 2 non-names in the game, so that would be one for light, one for smoke.

They are PROBABLY just quoting what they FEEL is correct, because alignment CONFIRMING would be silly, as THAT would be a SANE COP THAT IS UNNKABLE.




ALSO I WISH PACMAN WOULD VOTE FOR SOMEONE.

Interesting theory.
And I'm not done with reread, but when I am (that should be tonight), I should come up with a vote.

[Furcolow]

that theory is old
hes just regurgitating it

[pacman281292]

that theory is old
hes just regurgitating it

*rereads*
Yeah you're right. However, the way he worded it was better.

[pacman281292]

Well, I reread the last pages (the D4 to be more concise) and found some interesting stuff (CAUTION: WALL POST ALERT):

lol at the hypocrisy in furcs 1248 post.

Friend:
You voted me for voting furc, b/c we disagree about whether he's VI-scum or VI-town. Y/N?
You said the way I've been presenting myself about thinking he's VI-scum is scummy. Y/N?
I asked why the way I've been presenting it is scummy. Y/N?
Instead of answering, you said my case on mothrax was scummy too, for the following reasons:
I basically paid no attention to him for a while(I was trying to get my first suspect lynched).
I focused on VI-type "easy targets" instead(It's called voting my top suspects, and they were, regardless of how much of an "easy target" they were).
I made a IIoA case on him later(How would we lynch if everybody joined wagons quicker? And how is it IIoA? If it was, why did you ignore up until now? You got plenty of posts in after my case and before the lynch). Y/N? Most importantly, why did you deflect my question?

FoS: Friend

Many of these questions are actually loaded questions, or rhetorical questions. While Friend's dodginess and "furc is town by meta blah blah blah" is unhelpful for the town as well as confusing, this post is very poor.

FoS: M=W.

Well, I guess that means vezo's more likely town, but not definitely.

Vote: Furcolow

I've already stated some reasons, but he's now used flavor stuff that we don't know about as a case, hammered LL without a claim when he viewed LL as either scum or a

Power role.

Imagine if he'd been right about the PR. We'd be down 2 PR's, only having a idea about one target of one of them. Bad.

I'm thinking there's either 3 or 4 scum left, or 3 and a SK/other 3d party role.

Stuff like this is scummy. Hammering without a claim is well within Furc's meta as town, and just because he's not too bright doesn't make him scum. The argument you're presenting is the same one that's been gone over time and time again, but he's VI-town. That's just the way it is.

The rest of your questions are not worthy of a proper answer. How is it IIoA? Seriously?

Well, I remember a newbie game where I replaced for a girl who had been making comically stupid posts, and would get herself ejected for PMing a town player (the post was reported, but it wasn't deemed dangerous enough to warrant modkills/game abandonment). The IC would disregard her scummy play as VI playing. I replaced her, and won as scum, not without help from another VI town player who would self-vote in LyLo due to being annoyed at another player.
The lesson we learnt (as he posted post-game) was "Stupid players can be scum too". Just sayin'.
Now back to topic, M=W's quoted post is null for me.
I think you (Friend) said once (post 1296) that "Furc isn't enough smart to change his own meta". Which is also stupid reasoning itself; while Furc seems to care "a lot" for his meta, I don't do at all. Furthermore, such an easy "town meta" like the one Furc is putting out can be easily used to play low as scum.

Relevant because Soc was all CKD IS OBVSCUM and I was like WELL I DUN THINK SO HERE IS WHY and he was like OK THAT MAKES SENSE ACTUALLY THX.

But since then CKD has been sorta getting crap past the radar.

It could be that I am mourning Soc.

Humm... might you point out that post please?

Friend stop it.
Seriously. Furc is not doing anything.
He is just self metaing ,doing nothing and other stuff.

How do you know furc didn't try to appear town as scum?

Humm... you've not done much either...
I would like if you (or your replacement, in case you get replaced - BTW,

@MOD: Please prod vezokpiraka

-) posted some content there. You've been pretty much coasting through for a long time.

AGar, really? I'm not scumhunting? I insisted on mothrax-scum for a long damn time and I've been saying M=W is scum for a while now too.

Anyways, check this out: Furc town meta

HE IS ACTING EXACTLY THE SAME. EXACTLY THE MOTHERFREAKING SAME.

HE IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO DELIBERATELY CHANGE HIS META.

THEREFORE, HE IS FUCKING TOWN. THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE CASES ON FURC.

It's ONE FUCKING GAME.

And he's not as fucking stupid as you think he is, trust me.

Your logic fucking sucks.

And today, you have only poached an easy wagon on M=W based on what - Beefster's slot - and defended Furc.

Making a case based on the former slot is by no means invalid. Indeed, it's harder to find scum in slots whose owner has changed during time. That pretty much sucks if you ask me .

Glancing through your iso, your targets (vez, Furc, me) do little to inspire confidence with regard to your scumhunting motives. Also, your predecessor was naughty.

I think the best way to convince me that you are town would involve making a case on someone or a town/meh/scum tier post or something. It looks like you're going after easy suspects. Your targets also mirror SP's, and I think he may be scum based on meta in large games like this as I just stated.

I am waiting to see whether Plum agrees with me about SP before I go too far down that rabbit hole.

I admit that Friend is a little shifty but I don't think he's scum with you (which is why a MW=>Friend case isn't going to convince me; it's just showing me that you're probably not scum with him).

I pretty much agree with this post (except for the part when you ask to wait for Plum).
The only valid point I could find at Furc's 1302 would be "YOU ARE TUNNELING" (directed at AGar). He's right; I'd loke to hear whether or not you do have any other reads aside Furc.
The rest of the defense is poor.
Another thing directed at Furc: while I've already accostumed my mind to read "judge" as "AGar", I think that in case a replacement appears, his head will explode while trying to find who the hell is judge. It would be appreciated if you called him as AGar (or if you made it clear before calling him judge, but this one would be spammier).

vote Iecerint

....I got a feeling that scum lie here.

FoS: curiouskarmadog.

Yeah, yet another FoS. But this one is for the possible interaction to Iecerint's 1272 (quoted just above). This vote looks like OMGUS, worsened by the fact his reasons are just "I got a feeling that scum lie here".
Another thing (not related to this, but to a later post by AGar): what does ad hom mean? I'm not used to that term, sorry.
This is the most interesting stuff I found in pages 50-53. Pages 54-57 later (tired now).

[Vi]

Haylen replaces vezokpiraka, who I understand has quit the site. Welcome her!

[Haylen]

Evening peoples ^_^ I've skimmed the thread a bit and know mostly what's going on. Just give me some time to read up in more detail, cool? Cool.

[Friend]

Hi Haylen!

M=W, your theory is wrong. There is a way to tell whether furc is scum - I've read his scum meta and he's provided at least one example of it. He's very, very readable, and in this game, he's town.

Anyways, saying stupid things like "I'm starting to think you're scum, Friend" based on NOTHING except me saying furc is town is useless and scummy. You need the noose.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLI

~ A visitor at dusk

Me=Weird (L-2) ~ Iecerint, Plum, Friend, Furcolow

Furcolow (L-4) ~ AGar, Me=Weird
Iecerint (L-4) ~ curiouskarmadog, SocioPath
Haylen (vezokpiraka) (L-5) ~ Chronopie
Friend (L-5) ~ Haylen (vezokpiraka)

Not Voting:

pacman

AGar 1 | Chronopie 0 | Me= 0 | Friend 0 | Furc 0 | Iece 0 | pacman 0 | Plum 1 | ckd 0 | Socio 0 PROD1 7 | Haylen 0

-A slight glow surrounds Iecerint as of post 1403...

--With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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[curiouskarmadog]

pac, what is OMGUS about my vote on Iece?..explain

[pacman281292]

When Iecerint mentioned that you might be scum upon a Soc result.
Followed by you voting him with no reason at all.
That's it.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: I think it was clear on my post (as I adressed Iece's post where he said that, then your out-of-the-blue vote).

[Haylen]

Unvote

Just in case.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP2: I adressed the wrong post there. The post where Iecerint points out what I mentioned was the third from the top in my 1408.

[AGar]

Pac: Ad hom is attacking a person and not their argument, a logical fallacy.

Hello Haylen.

Really just frustrated that people are dismissing an obviously scummy player on "meta." If you allow it to happen like this, eventually he'll just start playing like this regardless of alignment. Then what?

People make no sense anymore.

[Chronopie]

Hai Haylen

--

We now know, as per #1403 that the unknown players are (quasi?-)investigative roles with posting restrictions.

And they liked me voting for Vezo/Haylen.

[Iecerint]

This Soc post has a quotation of my "HERE'S WHY CKD IS NOT SCUM IMO" and then Soc's "WELL VOTING PATTERN IMPLIES OTHERWISE BUT THAT IS A GOOD ARGUMENT" IIRC. Look back a few in his iso for "Why CKD is scum." I think it involved which players unvoted mothrax and all that.

Also, pacman, in case you weren't sure, that second post of my mine you just quoted is about MW -- not Furc. Your "the only valid Furc" thing makes me confused.

Unrelated note: my glow indicates that at least one !!!!!! says that he has non-Cop investigation abilities.

[Iecerint]

Lolwat. I lied. Hang on tho.

This post.

:X:X

[pacman281292]

@Iec: Well, what I asked was where Soc said CKD was obvscum... I've got to read that post in-depth later
/quickpost no time for more

[Iecerint]

Meh, I suppose he didn't, looking back. The CKD votepost is as close as he gets. I interpreted it that way because he'd decided that one of me and CKD was scum by the mothy business.

[SocioPath]

UNVOTE

VOTE: PACMAN

WELL THAT WAS EASY.