Mini 1056 - NFL Mafia (Game Over)

[inHimshallibe]

/ready for some football

vote: Coach Travis

[inHimshallibe]

raider fans are the worst. not to mention im pretty sure the town out number you. meaning that if any group of people are scum its you all.

... said the Bucs fan.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Strenuously vote: Coach Travis

[inHimshallibe]

raj IS policy lynches. And Town this game.

[inHimshallibe]

honestly making a fake list and putting yourself second is kinda scummy.

first why even put yourself on the list. if you were first would you self vote? that is the worst way to help the town.
i think razgris is prolly just dead weight that wont help the town from his first couple of posts.
so inhim, you should jump on.

Wow dude you are acting like this dude in another game who was paraniod and thought I faked the list and made myself second. And RVS is a bit of BS. You wanna lynch someone from an RVS vote then try and fail. Or are you mad that someone voted you?

Trust me, it has nothing to do with you voting him.

[inHimshallibe]

That's seriously your reasoning?

No, I completely made that reason up to see how you (and I was hoping other players) would react. Your reaction is satisfactory.

UNVOTE: Mariyta

Are you one of them? jk. I dont see what the whole "policy" fuss is about at all.

Not giving any opinions on other players + criticizing other player's opinions with no reasons = scummy
VOTE: mongoose

I kinda see it as nothing more than a conversation starter to be honest, I see people calling for Policy lynches etc early on a few times and its done to stimulate conversation. Besides, how many actual policy lynches happen on day 1?

Discussion about discussion = fail
Please start posting real content.

He is town based on what exactly?

This post pinged on my scumdar a bit. Kdub isn't calling inhim out on a scumslip, but instead seems annoyed that inhim has such an early townread on freak. IGMEOY

<3

unvote
vote: mongoose

[inHimshallibe]

):

It's a heart.

[inHimshallibe]

I rarely explain town reads. I'm not ignoring anything, I just think rajtown is so obv it DEFINITELY doesn't need explanation.

Welcome, Locke! MORE VOTES ON MONGOOSE ARE REQUESTED. Thanks.

[inHimshallibe]

LL, we're best friends, so maybe I'm just biased? IDK. I have a good handle on rajtown, though, and this is it.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm actually fine with Jim for now though. I cannot wait to she him live up to this.

That should be "see", not "she"...

Yet still no unvote?

unvote
vote: GhostWriter

Tricksy scum.

[inHimshallibe]

Indeed it was a bad call, based on the actual circumstances.

unvote

Be back in a bit.

[inHimshallibe]

Remind me why we ever switched from mongoose again?

i agree with coach travis in the fact that the case on Kdub is very weak and I really don't think he is that scummy. He pretty much took the words out of my mouth. Also, I do agree with antihero about horrordude. His tends to respond to inquisition by questions of his own. Also, his pots just seem off.

unvote;vote horrordude

"Agree on this, agree on that, and also his posts just seem off."

"and also his posts just seem off."
Covering all the bases, I see.

unvote
vote: mongoose

Let's get this back on track.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm not opposed to this.

unvote
vote: shotty

Claimzorz?

[inHimshallibe]

inhim, you dont think that shotty/mongoose/coach pick three is possible?
seams like its too easy.

Well, I'm certainly of the opinion that any of them would be a good lynch Today.

I'd most prefer mongoose, because even his shotty vote was a parrot. shotty next because his behavior is way too erratic. To me it seems that when people noticed that shotty's first post was vastly different from his normal play, shotty went "ohshit" and reverted into classic, nigh unreadable shotty. Coach Travis: I just don't have an obvtown read on him, so his lynch is better than others.

[inHimshallibe]

LOL

[inHimshallibe]

Unannounced V/LA over the weekend, sorry. Be back tonight/tomorrow.

[inHimshallibe]

UNVOTE: Coach Travis

Actually, the claim doesn't make much sense for scum-CT.

I'm really doubting there's more that one TE or LB (too many people using points for that to work; CT, if you really are the TE, use your investigation tonight).

From a scum point of view, Mari's vote for shotty is suboptimal. I'm ruling her out for now. Interactions with shotty decrease the chances of finding scum among jim, kdub, horrordude, and freak.

That leaves inhim and mongoose.

VOTE: inHimshallibe

Italics mine

Remind me again why it's

not

mongoose? We had two scum on Day 1, dead to rights. Lets finish what we started.

vote: mongoose

mongoose comes out firing against me as soon as Antihero sets up this dichotomy. Convenient.

[inHimshallibe]

That's an awful vote.

We can't lynch both, can we?

[inHimshallibe]

Fence-sitting at its finest right there.

Do you even know what fence-sitting is? Because the part you quoted definitely isn't it.

Fence-sitting isn't the best word, but it's pretty close. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

mongoose's frustration grows as the suspicion piles on, but the scumhunting attempts don't become more genuine.

[inHimshallibe]

Lame.

[inHimshallibe]

Back back back. Comcast was stupid. Catching up.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm down for an inHim lynch today. Mari and raj seem like possible buddies.

VOTE: inHim

Right, seems like you're just throwing a bunch of names out there and hope the town runs with one.

[inHimshallibe]

inHim:
Scumlist with reasons, now please.

Looking at horrordude's iso, I agree that something doesn't feel right. There's a lot of half-hearted questioning (usually one-liners) but very few firm stances. I'd like him to share his opinions on people as well. Still, his lack of contribution can at least be partially excused due to V/LA and internet problems. inHim doesn't have the same excuse, as far as I know.

My suspicions of raj and Mari are mainly based on interactions with inHim yesterday, but I admit those are secondary choices at this point.

Ah, and now your tangled web pulls in

another

possible scums.

[inHimshallibe]

Also read through horror, and I still don't like horror, especially due to the below post.

Drshotty replaces in... I'm going to keep my judgment to myself on this one lol

Strike that... Shotty's intro post is actually pretty good! Yay for not being PL bait!

...
Shotty asks for a modkill... eek.

FoS

at least.

Seems a lot like horror is trying to acknowledge shotty's entrance w/o linking himself definitively. He also said he'd post Tuesday, and it's now Wednesday evening. Tsk tsk.

How did you get this distancing read? An FoS is at least semi taking a stand on someone, isn't it?

Wow, this post is scummerendous, let me count the ways.

FoS means jack and you've played long enough to know that. Don't be dumb.

I think horrordude is a likely Shotty buddy. His FoS on Shotty after the modkill remark in particular seems to me like scum tentatively bussing. He also managed to completely avoid Shotty's lynch.

Vote: horrordude0215

I don't believe I was the only one to FoS Shotty after the modkill remark, IIRC. Why not think they're bussing as well? And I "avoided" Shotty's lynch because, well, I wasn't online then. Ever think of that?

Actually, you WERE the only one to FoS shotty after that remark. Not being here is fair, but oh wait, is that DEFLECTIVE SMILIE #1?

Vote: horrordude0215

To reiterate what I said yesterday, I particularly get a scumbuddy vibe from this:

Shotty asks for a modkill... eek.

FoS

at least.

Wow, it's like you're not the first person to have posted this exact same failcase before!

DEFLECTIVE SMILIE #2?!?!

horror

-Raiders fan (um, ew?)

Drshotty replaces in... I'm going to keep my judgment to myself on this one lol

Strike that... Shotty's intro post is actually pretty good! Yay for not being PL bait!

-I don't like this at all. It comes off as creating just enough of a connection to not be seen as avoiding while still keeping as distant as possible. Then FOSes shotty in the same post for suggesting a modkill. Then he comes in to vote GW on a dead-and-gone misunderstanding, and promptly disappears, making minor posts here and there to say he's still alive. Has not posted anything but v/la crap since Sept 26th.
-Shotty says horror is his third choice, but doesn't give reasons (wreaks of scum setting up a potential bus w/o committing to anything)

How is it distancing, when you later mention that I take enough of a stand on him to at least FoS him? All the rest your post I can't really defend myself from though, because most of it is pretty true

Once again, FoS literally does not change the gamestate at all. It is not some promise to vote, it's just a poor scumtool that really only should be used once town has settled on a lynch, for the most part, and wants to point the finger somewhere else.

And that was your third strike with ":lol:".

FoS/vote in this post, the FoS is scum. Scumtell?

Since when?

When the FoS'd was scum and the vote was town? Since forever.

Cheering for Shotty not being PL bait, Shotty later flips scum. Connection?

Nice try, but no. Shooty is almost ALWAY PL bait, which can be bad if he is town.

The fact that he flipped scum here is irrelevant.

Emphasis mine.

This is too easy, it's almost like an admission of guilt. horror can no longer think of any outs for himself and tries to clear his name by getting evidence thrown out of the courtroom, so TAKE THAT! (Oh, Phoenix, how I miss thee...) The fact that shotty was scum is one of the ONLY clear pieces of scumhunting evidence that we have. Sure, we may not be able to predict how a VI would react around buddies, but we can still predict how those buddies will react around a scumpartner.

Lurking the heck out of this game worse than even I've ever done - 10 posts in 15 pages, seriously!?

It's bad yeah, but I have a life that can get kinda hectic sometimes. Not a good excuse, but w/e.

I'll ISO everyone and see where I can get as far as scumreads. And if I missed any cases on me, let me know and I'll get to them ASAP.

I think it's time for a claim as well.

[inHimshallibe]

Anti, are you just trying to Process-of-Elimination me into being scum? That seems weak.

[inHimshallibe]

Aight, the List.

BGs
horrordude
KDub

GGs
Antihero
Mariyta
raj

[inHimshallibe]

...Why the fuck did someone say I was at L-1?

If it makes you feel any better

vote: horror

You were at a virtual L-1, had I counted the votes more closely (I was also going off of Mari's post).

[inHimshallibe]

Not gonna put any blame on the wagon for anyone but myself and the fact that my play has been really scummy. I get that.

This is why we lynch horror.

Probably a cornerback.

[inHimshallibe]

inhim, why are you just debating the FoS point? What, besides that, makes horrordude scum?

That was

a

talking point. horror's MO of late has been to defend, defend, defend and not scumhunt, scumhunt, scumhunt.

BGs
horrordude
KDub

So you pile onto kdub and horror ... how original.

Scums being scummy ... it's a classic, no need for originality.

GGs
Antihero
Mariyta
raj

Do you really think this, or are you just saying this because Mari and I are two of the most active posters and you don't want either of us questioning you?

This is making some very unfair assumptions.

inhim, let's just say that horrordude flips town, who do you think is scum? If horror flips scum?

If he's scum, Kdub obvs. If he's town, I'd roll with Kdub and one of {Locke, jimfinn}.

[inHimshallibe]

I think what everyone is forgetting is that there COULD be two WRs.

unvote

for now, as I too was overlooking that very fact.

[inHimshallibe]

If I am the QB I did not pass to horror on N1.

Cool.

vote: horror

HAMMAH.

[inHimshallibe]

TO THE ONE OF YOU ON ME WHO IS TOWN:

WHAT
THE
HELL

Thank you, LL and Mariyta, for having some damned sense.

raj I think is definitely more town than jimfinn. Kdub is my priority to lynch, but I think MYLO demands us to make the smart Town play:

vote: No Lynch

I'm not claiming unless you're deadset against No Lynch. I will give no help as to the identity of our QB.

[inHimshallibe]

@Mari: I will not comment on my role because it either reveals myself as the QB or narrows down the scum's suspect pool.

@raj: Your gamestates depend on the outcome of lynch correctly/incorrectly. The best possible way to decrease the chances of lynch incorrectly is No Lynch.

[inHimshallibe]

QB suspect pool*

[inHimshallibe]

Saving Middle Earth, brb.

[inHimshallibe]

raj had some reasoning pretty early on in this Day. Know who didn't? jimfinn and Kdub. You had to drag it out of them.

[inHimshallibe]

If I am the QB, I cannot clear inHim.

I can guarantee you the five of you can say this.

[inHimshallibe]

Why can you guarantee that? Because you are scum?

Wow, this is becoming easy.

[inHimshallibe]

raj, I never defended horror at all. An unvote does not a flipflop make.

[inHimshallibe]

unvote

No reason to shorten this Day.

[inHimshallibe]

For the record, we're not actually stuck. 3 voting No Lynch will take us to Night.

I'll remind you of how my wagon has attacked me: vote first, give reasons later. If one of LL/Mariyta had voted me, they would have never contributed their reasoning, besides raj. Antihero was killed, Day broke with "HERPADERP Anti didn't like inHim" and I got to L-1 in three consecutive posts. And raj was the only one with a sniff of a reason.

[inHimshallibe]

Eek, I had a post yesterday, not sure what happened.

First and foremost: RB. My comment re: no QB being able to clear me was obviously quite apparent given the gamestate.

Second of all, raj: as town, there's no RISK, only CERTAINTY, as the game would be over.

[inHimshallibe]

two runningbacks? i highly doubt having two of them. but we were proved wrong with horror being a WR. Knee jerk reaction says that we have 1 running back and a fullback.

C'mon man...

Coach Travis dying makes it very unlikely we have a fullback.

Also, the QB doesn't choose who to hand the ball off to, they just hand it off. So, QB confirmation of a running back HAS to be via throwing them a pass, like a WR.

[inHimshallibe]

If I am the QB, I did not pass to inHim or hand the ball off on Night 2

Oh for Pete's sake... can you say the same for Mari?

[inHimshallibe]

i still dont know about a two running back game... not many sets use two running backs. 3, 4, & 5 wide are more common.

Unless you're the Miami Dolphins, not many NFL teams have both their QB and Backup QB on the field at the same time either. You have

a

point, but given what I now know about the setup (I assume Mari is not a VI lying about her role, big leap of faith, I know...) it's just a pointless muddling around [/les miles] of flavor.

Alright, so:
Kdub, jimfinn, raj

raj, this slowplay of yours is really starting to bug me. You don't normally need everything drug out and spelled out to you.

[inHimshallibe]

...

raj, and how many of those games you've played with me have I also helped to win?

One of you two, UNVOTE!

Locke, I hope you read this before jim/Kdub do:

vote: No Lynch

[inHimshallibe]

@jim: Probably you, sir.

I am not el Quarterback.

[inHimshallibe]

For the record, I molded my play into giving Kdub the best chance to win. He did an excellent job taking it home. I didn't think we had a chance when we lost our Linebacker and couldn't even trade him for a QB or TE.

QT link: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/G7RW55Q6AqKG4