Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!

[VasudeVa]

Hey Chronopie get your butt in here and start contributing damnit.

VOTE COUNT

FakeGod (2): Thor665, Budja
TheButtonmen (1): VasudeVa

Not Voting (4): Chronopie, Plum, TheButtonmen, FakeGod

With 7 alive, 4 is needed to lynch.

[Thor665]

@VV

1. I never called you scum, you're being silly.
2. You can claim your evidence is more "real" all you want (I still don't buy how Tasky FOSing FG equates to FG=town).
3. You still didn't actually narrow down where I crossed the line in my TBM defense - you just claimed recalling that I did. (without recalling, apparently, that I've been comfortable with a TBM lynch, I've just had a preference towards a FG one which is what I was arguing yesterday) so if you're a magical picky scum, then theoretically I must be one too. Again, you're being silly and hyper aggressive over points that are nowhere near as strong as you seem to believe they are.

[VasudeVa]

So, you don't mind a TBM lynch then?

[Thor665]

I don't mind it, I prefer the FG lynch - I think he's more likely scum. As we discussed yesterday, your chief point against TBM (aggressive attack of you and your claim) struck me (via evil meta in my drastic defense of him) that your home run tell was more of a 'meh' tell. I then countered that FG's weirdness about you around your claim was equally weird to Button, and in my opinion moreso - hence why I wanted to lynch him. Then, somewhere in there, we all drank peyote and lynched jimfinn.

[VasudeVa]

I'm down with lynching both of them. I'm more curious of TBM's flip because I think his flip will let us learn more about you.

FG's flip won't really give us much connection since everyone hates him.

[molestargazer]

Will be Limited Access until Sunday, I'll do a VC if I get the chance but if not, you'll have to make do without.

[Thor665]

FG's flip won't really give us much connection since everyone hates him.

...and maybe they hate him for a reason?

Is your read on me really so muddled you need a TBM lynch to clarify it? What's the logic for TBM outside of getting a read on me?

[FakeGod]

@VV: with Narsis flipping doc, I could believe that Chronopie might be a mafia roleblocker or something.

but I completely understand why Thor/TBM could be the scum team, basing off the logic that what mafia could gain by discrediting the confirmed VTs, compared to supporting the confirmed VTs.

In fact, if one of the mafia members were among the confirmed players, then there is no reason for a huge discredit campaign against the confirmed players, since it would tarnish the "immunity" one of their members would enjoy.

[TheButtonmen]

@Fakegod:

You've been listing lots of possibilites today not stating what you believe.

So top 3 scum picks and why?

[FakeGod]

Chrono + Thor are scum if Budja's telling the truth.

Budja + either Thor or Chrono if Budja's lying.

I'd put my vote either on Budja or Chrono at the moment tho.

[Thor665]

So you pretty much believe TBM is town then?

[Budja]

@VV, my WIFOM had a little more basis, but Thor has shot it down anyway .

[VasudeVa]

Chrono is NOT scum based on Tasky's vote. Let that sink into your heads and let's not waste time on this shit.

@Budja: What do you mean?

[FakeGod]

@Thor: it really depends. Since I know myself is town and TBM didn't hammer me when he could've (no one would've objected much either lol), I'm inclined to think that he isn't scum.

[VasudeVa]

@Thor: it really depends. Since I know myself is town and TBM didn't hammer me when he could've (no one would've objected much either lol), I'm inclined to think that he isn't scum.

If he hammered then, we'd already be at N4 with him lynched as scum. He had a reason to avoid the hammer, that point is null.

[VasudeVa]

FG's flip won't really give us much connection since everyone hates him.

...and maybe they hate him for a reason?

Is your read on me really so muddled you need a TBM lynch to clarify it? What's the logic for TBM outside of getting a read on me?

Everything I said about him sometime ago when I was till paying attention to him.

[Thor665]

@FakeGod - second question. Why do you want to consider the lynch of obv.town Budja who received a day power because he's town?

[FakeGod]

In case I'm wrong and scum really do get day powers.

[Chronopie]

Semi-V/LA over the next week or so, until I get full internet access back.

[VasudeVa]

Soo, prodded.

Plum's still V/LA. I'm waiting on her to return and

choose my side

comment on the epic battle between Thor/Budja/TBM Vs. Choronopie/FG/Vas

[Budja]

^ A bit simplistic to split over those lines. It might be that I am easily swayed, but I am now back to "iffy" on your scummyness.
FG however, needs to die. You and Button are not both scum. The rest have town reads.

[VasudeVa]

Oh hey Budja! While you're here please answer my #815.

Here, I'll even quote it for you since I'm nice and shit:

@Budja: I already explained this. It could go both ways. If Town figures it out, good! If Town doesn't, then boo. Plus I'm thinking aboveaverage/high powered scum team + only weak Town PRs. (JK is weak. Doc is meh. Unconfirmed masons is meh-er.)

Why does Town gets day powers make less sense than Scum gets day powers? Both are unsubstiated mod-WIFOM. (In fact, it steers more towards Town get day powers from my POV since I'm Town and I got a Day power but I digress.)

Also, aside from "Bad feelings" can you substantiate/cite evidence of your VV/FG scumteam? Do you honestly think I would bus/attack FG-buddy that hard D2? Do I seem like that kind of player to you(I remember you using this kind of reasoning on your vote hop to FG.)

Why the hell are you for flavor-WIFOM but against setup-WIFOM?

[Budja]

1. FakeGod suggested it earlier and was shot down. Admittedly, the lack of an "empowerer" type role surprises me and I did speculate that scum choose the power-getter, but confirmed town are more and more powerful as the game goes on and I don't believe that the mod would take such a risk. Thor's rebuttals were quite good, IIRC I agreed with all of them.

2. It was a theory, I was surprised to get two "cop"-type roles and looking at your power-name "drunken-ness" lead me to speculate a VV-Plum-Tasky scumteam. However, placing you as a "paranoid cop" fits flavour and balance so I am back to square one on that.
Right now with the elimination of town-reads and the solid belief that you and Button are not scumbuddies, Fakegod is the way to go.
That sums up my entire thought process of the day really.

[FakeGod]

/prodded but don't know what to say

[Thor665]

In case I'm wrong and scum really do get day powers.

What do you think of lynching you or VV instead? Why is Budja the obv. scum of the three possible scum who've received a day power?