Mafia on Holy Orders (Game Over!)

[Haylen]

Because Vi told me that's when Vezok received that ability.

Vezok probably believed Socrate's to be an investigative role because he was asking for a claim.

[Iecerint]

Hmm. The first kinda makes sense, since you got it later. Please ask Vi whether vezo was also told the exact post as such.

Why on earth would you lampshade someone being an investi-role? (I understand that you're not vezo; still, can't figure out what was up there.)

[Haylen]

I don't understand what you mean by 'lampshade'. Ok, I will send Vi a PM.

[Iecerint]

Lampshading

And thanks.

[Vi]

Notice:
I made a minor mod error in the previous vote count. It has since been corrected.

[pacman281292]

pretty sure based upon the recent light post that pacman is scum. He was voting with mothrax there, who was scum. He also hopped on before the 3rd/4th vote which is a good way to stay under the radar. His recent pestering of me to scumhunt when he is providing no real scumhunting himself is sheer hypocrisy.

I'll do some "scumhunting", pacman, through actually listening to the light for once, and I'm voting you for voting with mothrax.
Even if you're town, you're voting with scum there, and voting me in that votecount.

unvote;
vote: pacman

Oh... what the heck?
First: This is a logic fail. How do you conclude that I'm scum because one of the holy guys enlighted Vi's VC.
(which wasn't even true, apparently. ?).
Furthermore, read my #1526, where I state what I do think about this stupidity.
Second: This statement doesn't even make sense. Blindly following a light that "says I'm scum" (by a way I don't even understand, so please explain how do you arrive to this conclusion) is not scumhunting. Later you say that even if I'm town I voted with scum and therefore should get lynched.
WTF.

Reading on the Haylen stuff later. Catching up with other game + not much more time.

[pacman281292]

@MOD: I'm V/LA until Friday. Way too busy with RL stuff.

[Furcolow]

way too busy to be actively defending yourself against a wagon?
wagon go i. m. o.

[Furcolow]

smell of smoke = botched attempted scumhunting... i hate seeing that.

unvote

i guess the light from that post might have been from something else

perhaps the bad !!!!!!!!! put that there, though, to confuse me.
I hate being in WIFOM land.

[Vi]

Vote Count XLVI

~ Lost in the fog

Me=Weird (L-3) ~ Haylen, Friend, AGar,

Furcolow

Haylen (L-4) ~ Chronopie, Plum
pacman (L-5) ~ SocioPath,

Furcolow

Iecerint (L-5) ~ curiouskarmadog
SocioPath (L-5) ~ Iecerint

Not Voting:

Me=Weird, pacman, Furcolow

AGar 0 | Chronopie 3 PROD1 0 | Me= 1 | Friend 0 | Furc 0 | Iece 0 | pacman 0 | Plum 0 | ckd 0 | Socio 1 PROD1 12 | Haylen 0

-Generously prodding Chronopie again considering he announced V/LA.

-The smell of smoke surrounds Iecerint as of post 1530...
-The smell of smoke surrounds Iecerint as of post 1535...
--With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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(79%)

[Chronopie]

Wai, Hello. This game was next on my list of games to check.

o.O where did the extra battery come from?

So /prodded. Be back later, the pm pop-up interrupted an iso in another game.

and

unvote: Haylen

...

Letting the tracker do her thing.

[Furcolow]

I bet the small glow player is town. That was extremely workmanlike.

Well, yeah, both have LIGHT FLAVOR and DARK FLAVOR.

But the gradations are either reserved for specific players.

These were the smoke posts, I believe.
They are both whiffs.
My speculation as to smoke being botched scumhunting/speculating I am pretty sure if correct.
The batter also went down. Perhaps it costs 15% to do smoke on a page? It was at 94% battery, now it's at 79%. I doubt it'd be 7.5 per 1, although that's what it boils down to, but I could see it being 15% per page on the battery. I'm wondering if one of the !!!!!!! re-generated the battery power, or if it was our discussion as a town.

There are several wagons that could be formed, but not that much scumhunting going on perse. People are more like "Oh, I'm checking in." than "These people are scum for these reasons". The town-people to me feel like the ones who are openminded to the nature of the moderators hints and clues that are given to us.

[Iecerint]

^ So, that looks like the guy in charge of DARK is upset that I called the LIGHT guy town and that I was wrong that both had both OR that both had different gradations.

ALSO -- there was an error in the relevant post -- the *DARK* guy lampshaded the ancient VC rather than the LIGHT guy subject to Vi's correction.

[Furcolow]

could you explain that in language that an old man can understand?

[Furcolow]

i have addressed that i believe there are different gradations previously to this. that should be common knowledge if i picked up on that.

[Iecerint]

My interpretation is that a !!!!! disliked me calling LIGHT town (maybe in part to highlight that it'd been a Vi typo so I didn't keep repeating THATLIGHT-TOWN in my head?) for his post and then said I was wrong about both !!!!!!s having access to both light valencies.

[pacman281292]

way too busy to be actively defending yourself against a wagon?
wagon go i. m. o.

lol. you are telling me that you read my 1556 and NOT my 1555?

smell of smoke = botched attempted scumhunting... i hate seeing that.

unvote

i guess the light from that post might have been from something else

perhaps the bad !!!!!!!!! put that there, though, to confuse me.
I hate being in WIFOM land.

I don't want you to scumhunt by trying to find out what do the "holy ones" try to say.
The current "valid theory", said by the holy ones themselves, is that there is at least one scum player among them.
He might be messing with our minds. So, it wouldn't be a good idea to follow what they say blindly. Else we would be WIFOM'd to death, as happened to you right now.
I want you to scumhunt by trying to read some posts and find allegiances from them.

[Furcolow]

you don't really do that that often, so why are you pushing someone else to do that? it looks like a scum puppeteer "yes, scumhunt for me" to me. You are pulling strings, but that doesn't mean you're not scum.

[Furcolow]

^ So, that looks like the guy in charge of DARK is upset that I called the LIGHT guy town and that I was wrong that both had both OR that both had different gradations.

ALSO -- there was an error in the relevant post -- the *DARK* guy lampshaded the ancient VC rather than the LIGHT guy subject to Vi's correction.

So basically, re-reading this, you are parroting AGar's defense of pacman?
It's all WIFOM anyways, really, Iecerint. Assuming there is a good and an evil, the evil one could have marred the good's helpfulness using the battery power.

[Furcolow]

Who is town? speak up. We don't have a seperate thread to communicate like they do. We need to communicate here. Who's with me?

[curiouskarmadog]

are you really asking who people think are town? I hope I just misread that.

[Haylen]

Who is town? speak up. We don't have a seperate thread to communicate like they do. We need to communicate here. Who's with me?

That's stupid. Scumpoints.

[AGar]

^ So, that looks like the guy in charge of DARK is upset that I called the LIGHT guy town and that I was wrong that both had both OR that both had different gradations.

ALSO -- there was an error in the relevant post -- the *DARK* guy lampshaded the ancient VC rather than the LIGHT guy subject to Vi's correction.

So basically, re-reading this, you are parroting AGar's defense of pacman?
It's all WIFOM anyways, really, Iecerint. Assuming there is a good and an evil, the evil one could have marred the good's helpfulness using the battery power.

So wait. I've defended Pacman (not sure where) but I still have yet to see those posts I requested.

@CKD - My vote was on M=W for completely blowing past the claim by Haylen, no matter how ridiculous it is seeming, and just trying to string her up. Although I think Furc might need a pretty good length of rope, ignoring any questions levied at him.

@CKD & Haylen - What's the matter with giving town reads, exactly? Citing town reads also helps narrow down the lynch pool, increasing success. If I think people are town, and I give my reasons why, someone who may have a null read on them pulls them from their lynch pool.

@Furc - Respond to this, please.

[curiouskarmadog]

instead of spouting off town reads...why not just give scum reads...why paint a kill target for scum? Top two scum reads from everyone would not only make everyone declare a stance and "narrow down the lynch pool", but will not expose those who the town believes to be the most town....

it is a scum move that only benefits scum.

[AGar]

instead of spouting off town reads...why not just give scum reads...why paint a kill target for scum? Top two scum reads from everyone would not only make everyone declare a stance and "narrow down the lynch pool", but will not expose those who the town believes to be the most town....

it is a scum move that only benefits scum.

Negative (I've pulled this stance from our mod actually).

Scum will kill who they want to kill regardless of who we tell them is a townie.

Top two scum reads from every player doesn't establish a hardline stance from anyone. Scummy players can clear themselves.

It's very difficult for you to flip yourself on a town read, without a pretty good reasoning.

It's very easy to detach from a scumread if things aren't going the right way.