Mini 1023 - City Watch Mafia - Game Over!

[FakeGod]

Budja's not obv scum, but even if he flips town, we will learn something solid about another player's alignment. (Plum in this case)

VOTE COUNT

FakeGod (2): Thor665, Budja
TheButtonmen (1): VasudeVa

Not Voting (4): Chronopie, Plum, TheButtonmen, FakeGod

With 7 alive, 4 is needed to lynch.

[Thor665]

Unvote: FakeGod

This is going to take some rumination methinks.

[TheButtonmen]

I'm here, rereading parts with different assumptions and waiting for a Plum post atm.

[VasudeVa]

In case I'm wrong and scum really do get day powers.

What do you think of lynching you or VV instead? Why is Budja the obv. scum of the three possible scum who've received a day power?

Hahahah. We are not lynching me. (Tasky's vote, Chronopie, claimed protect etc. Honestly, how many times do I have to repeat myself?) If we have to prove that 'scum don't get Daypowers', we lynch FG.

[Thor665]

Hahahah. VV continues to act jumpy around comments I am making that have *nothing* to do with me believing he is scum or trying to get people to vote him.

Ironically, this second one actually has me doubting my read on him now.

Stop it, VV, just stop it.

[Plum]

VV town/Chrono scum

- Chrono 'claimed' protect on VV. Either scum opted to nokill in order to add credence to his claim (an odd move) or scum was caught by surprise when VV was protected anyway (by Narsis, our Doc) Need to re-read Narsis and Chrono interactions around time of VV protection discussion.

Also, shamwoosh, but did you know how rare two protective roles in a Mini Normal is (

because Hoopla did some stats and I'll try to find the link in MD for soon times

SHINY IMPORTANT LINK RE: CHRONO'S CLAIM IN LIGHT OF NARIS' FLIP

)? Did you know that we're not just in a mini-Normal, but in a theme game where additionally we seem to have the potential for Town powerroles including probably one of the following {sane cop, sane lie detector}?

Almost feel like better Budja is scum too BUT shazam that's not on the table today I don't think. Unless we get complacent about believing him because he pegged an innocent who wasn't under much pressure (hint: way easier/lower risk to do as scum than get a guilty on a buddy, so if we don't believe we got two strong oneshot investigative roles THEN VV is amuch safer Town bet) we haven't lost anything.

If Thor is scum THEN we deservedly lost the game BARRING further stuff. I'd be unpleasantly shocked to find that to be the case.

VV. If everyone who's gotten a power yet is Town then we have the Moderator come dangerously close to confirming all the scum for us by process of elimination plus two strong investigative oneshots for daytime use PLUS a doctor at least for Night use.

If nothing else, Chrono was so obviously Town from Tasky's return post because opportunistic Tasky-scum put him at L-1(somewhat near deadline, IIRC. Too lazy to check ). We STOP suspecting him. And I'm Town because of the claimed JK.

This proves . . . what, exactly????

Ooooohhhhh, but FOS: Buddy Vote: Townie is a shiny tell. Would Tasky have fallen into ze trap?

Radical idea.

D2, I claimed JK'er shortly BEFORE night started. There was no kill.

I thought that I got lucky and protected VV.

It's too late to ask, but Narsis/Igor-Doc may have successfully protected someone else instead...

Or you're a Mafia Roleblocker who fakeclaimed. Take your pick.

@Budja: I already explained this. It could go both ways. If Town figures it out, good! If Town doesn't, then boo. Plus I'm thinking aboveaverage/high powered scum team + only weak Town PRs. (JK is weak. Doc is meh. Unconfirmed masons is meh-er.)

JK + Doc is hella strong, especially when you have the potential for multiple confirmed innocents to manifest during the day. Indefinitely protect two cleared Townies and the game is over, Town win, everyone can go home.

VV is Town. TBM is probtown I THINK.
BUDJA, CHRONOPIE, FAKEGOD

I think two of those three are scum. Lynch one today and one tomorrow, we

should

be good enough to hit scum between the eyes at least once, which will give us a last Day to lynch the third. In a perfect world.

VOTE: Chronopie

I

think

this is the best lynch for today. Let's hold ourselves to the promise that we'd lynch this thing one day before LYLO. I think that's where we're at.

[VasudeVa]

Can't argue with statistics that awesome. Although Tasky's votehop to put Chronopie to L-1 really wasn't something I'd expect from him. But ehh... Statistics are good. .__.

Vote: Chrono

[TheButtonmen]

A) Woooooooo Chrono voting.

B) VV newest flip flop onto Chrono makes me even more

suspicious

confused as he was just 100% sure that chrono was town.

Vote: Chrono.

[VasudeVa]

A) Woooooooo Chrono voting.

B) VV newest flip flop onto Chrono makes me even more

suspicious

confused as he was just 100% sure that chrono was town.

Vote: Chrono.

Hahaha. No.

Unlike you who keeps taking on a silly stance that doesn't accomplish anything nor convinces anyone, I like to listen to people. Srsly, try it sometimes.

[FakeGod]

Chrono is a good as lynch as Budja in terms of nailing a scum I believe. (tho one could argue that we're risking a claimed PR compared to a 1 shot PR)

but I would like for others to reply to Plum first

[TheButtonmen]

A) Woooooooo Chrono voting.

B) VV newest flip flop onto Chrono makes me even more

suspicious

confused as he was just 100% sure that chrono was town.

Vote: Chrono.

Hahaha. No.

Unlike you who keeps taking on a silly stance that doesn't accomplish anything nor convinces anyone, I like to listen to people. Srsly, try it sometimes.

If somehow your town post game we really need to have a talk about the cost / benifits of your dismissive prickishness style towards any attacks on you.

[Thor665]

@Plum - your preference of Chrono is based on the 'day before' situation only?

To perhaps clarify - you do or don't find Chrono more scummy then FG/Budja?

[Plum]

My preference of Chrono is based on a combination of factors - the belief that both scum are very likely in the set {FakeGod, Chronopie, Budja}, the belief that it is unlikely that the Moderator crafted a setup where Town get daypowers with confirmation/investigation powers

and

get two protective roles, which is a rare enough combination in regular old Mini Normals, and given Narsis flipped Doctor whooosh . . . the belief that we should stick to the day before LYLO thing is mostly a rhetorical bit, but in context we have every reason not to believe that his claim is truthful and therefore to follow through on that method of dealing with that sort of shady claim.

[VasudeVa]

A) Woooooooo Chrono voting.

B) VV newest flip flop onto Chrono makes me even more

suspicious

confused as he was just 100% sure that chrono was town.

Vote: Chrono.

Hahaha. No.

Unlike you who keeps taking on a silly stance that doesn't accomplish anything nor convinces anyone, I like to listen to people. Srsly, try it sometimes.

If somehow your town post game we really need to have a talk about the cost / benifits of your dismissive prickishness style towards any attacks on you.

If somehow you're town, post game we really need to talk about your silliness on basically everything.

[FakeGod]

If no one's posting much, then I'm going to hammer in few hours. (is Chrono on V/LA?)

I believe "Semi V/LA" was the term he used. But, yeah. -M

[Plum]

Nonono FakeGod, we need to hear from Thor re: Chrono lynch before anything goes through, okay? If at all possible.

[FakeGod]

Sure.

[Thor665]

I'm slightly conflicted. I still consider FG pretty durn scummy, but some of his more recent posts have had a townish ring that made me unvote him.
Chrono's continued survival is odd.
I'm just doing a slight WIFOM induced wobble step at the moment as I try to consider why scum's actions have been what they've been - I feel like we have a few too many "pro-town" players left and am trying to puzzle out why Narsis was the target last night.

Meh, in any case I'd rather lynch FG or Chrono today then Budja, VV, or TBM and I'm getting a slight town vibe from FG and the only thing that spared Chrono for me was the PR claim.

Verily doth I use Mjolnir! (No Whammy, no Whammy...)

Vote: Chronopie

[Plum]

I feel like we have a few too many "pro-town" players left and am trying to puzzle out why Narsis was the target last night.

Oooooh, you're right; there

may

be shenanigans there (

or

possibly they didn't want to shoot VV because he might be protected again, assuming that's what happened Night 2, so they chose a player no one thought could possibly be Tasky's buddy/they shot in the dark for whatever was protecting and got lucky).

[Thor665]

That's certainly a possibility. I was debating if they'd "figured" Narsis - or just figured him as a low priority defense that looked town, or were maybe just trying to enhance Chrono's fakeclaim. Depending on the flip I might have a better idea of the angle they're working which would please me.

[Plum]

Right, well, happily we should have that soon.

[Chronopie]

GG guys. Sorry about the limited access over the last few days.

I hope you get all of 'em.

VOTE: Chronopie (overhammer?)

[Plum]

That's not a bah go Town post.

Well, as with Tasky, no reason working ourselves up before the Moderator comes back.

[Thor665]

::puts away party gear slowly and backs out of room::

I'm scared though, if he flips scum that means FG was actually telling the truth about how he reacted to VV and that *terrifies* me.

[TheButtonmen]

::puts away party gear slowly and backs out of room::

I'm scared though, if he flips scum that means FG was actually telling the truth about how he reacted to VV and that *terrifies* me.

I don't see why that would terrify you, it undermine multiple reads?

I'm just doing a slight WIFOM induced wobble step at the moment as I try to consider why scum's actions have been what they've been - I feel like we have a few too many "pro-town" players left and am trying to puzzle out why Narsis was the target last night.

I'm assuming at this point that either some someone widely accepted as town is scum thus they are keeping a support base alive or there is two scum left.

I'll make up my mind as to which tomorrow after seeing what Chrono flips.