Mini 1063 - Pointlessville (Game Over!)

[StrangerCoug]

I hereby understand and confirm my role.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Kitoari for being the tenth person to confirm.

[StrangerCoug]

And the world ends when the first L-4 comes into effect *roll*

You're worried about an L-4!?

UNVOTE: Kitoari
VOTE: ZazieR

For the time being Parama vs. VibeBox looks town vs. town to me. DavidParker comes off a bit funny to me suggesting that Mafia would do a non-RVS bus on page 2, but his suggestion doesn't scream scum to me, and he does explain himself.

[StrangerCoug]

You know that David was the one worried, right?

DavidParker was worried about being at L-4? Where?

[StrangerCoug]

Ah.

UNVOTE: ZazieR

Will let this play out a bit more.

[StrangerCoug]

I've decided to stop waiting for stuff to happen and actually

MAKE

stuff happen. I would like one of charter and Parama to explain how mistaking ZazieR for being legitimately worried about an L-4 when he was making a sarcastic comment is scummy.

Hint:

A poor sense of humor is not a tell. (It's not a pre-emptive defense either; I don't want them throwing crap at me.)

[StrangerCoug]

Still missing the point

For the time being Parama vs. VibeBox looks town vs. town to me. DavidParker comes off a bit funny to me suggesting that Mafia would do a non-RVS bus on page 2, but his suggestion doesn't scream scum to me, and he does explain himself.

This is what I find incredibly scummy.

I did not sign up to play Mafia with a blindfold around my head. Tell me exactly what I do that's scummy.

As for the post, I simply didn't see anything scummy about you three at the time. Now that I've been set straight about the L-4 issue, VibeBox is my best guess as scum even if we include everybody else in the game (I still plan on waiting before voting him—I want to see what he says about it), while you and DavidParker aren't scummy enough to warrant anything by me.

[StrangerCoug]

You're throwing out town reads left and right for no apparent reason, and putting one on me (the main attacker) along with my top 2 scum suspects looks like appeal more than anything.

I'm "throwing out town reads left and right for no apparent reason?" When was I forbidden to state my opinions about page two?

Considering Vibe has not posted since you posted the Town vs. Town comment, I'm wondering why your read on him has changed so suddenly.

You straighten me out that it was VibeBox, not ZazieR, who complained about L-4, and now you're the one asleep at the wheel. Why do I feel like I am not on Earth?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I'm not voting anyone right now.

Thanks. Fixed.

One of DavidParker or charter is scum. I need to figure out which, but I'm leaning the former. Maybe Parama's actually two for three?

Seeing as RVS is nearing a quick end (yay for that), expect something from me soon.

RVS seems to have been supplanted by the RCS this game.

What is the RCS?

[StrangerCoug]

I don't think VibeBox has handled the L-4 issue very well, so I will VOTE: VibeBox.

And I swear to God I've seen Parama's ambitiousness before.

[StrangerCoug]

Why is my overall impression of Kitoari that he's out of it? Not all of his posts are like that, especially lately, but still...

[StrangerCoug]

UNVOTE: VibeBox
VOTE: DavidParker

Start accompanying your scum reads with cases. You can't just throw names left and right.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, hi, cruelty! It's been awhile!

Take your time.

[StrangerCoug]

Parama and charter

DO

seem a bit like-minded, but that's not unsettling right now. It's perfectly fine to mostly agree with other players—we have to come to some sort of consensus to get anywhere.

[StrangerCoug]

And "cautious" scum arrives and votes for a lurker uselessly.

If cautiousness is a tell, why didn't you attack me for unvoting ZazieR after it was pointed out he was being sarcastic and then waiting to vote again?

You also say that like voting lurkers is a bad idea per se. I don't swear by LALurkers, but there

ARE

times where it's good.

[StrangerCoug]

And "cautious" scum arrives and votes for a lurker uselessly.

If cautiousness is a tell, why didn't you attack me for unvoting ZazieR after it was pointed out he was being sarcastic and then waiting to vote again?

You also say that like voting lurkers is a bad idea per se. I don't swear by LALurkers, but there

ARE

times where it's good.

Lurker in general is a term that needs to be expanded on. There is scummy lurking then there is no-tell lurking.

The no-tell lurking of which you speak is probably better termed "flaking"—not posting

ANYWHERE

on the site. Avoiding posting in the game while being elsewhere on the site is the scummy lurking people go after people for. There's also active lurking, which I believe is pretending to post content when you're actually not.

I don't think VibeBox has handled the L-4 issue very well, so I will VOTE: VibeBox.

This is not a job, but a serious question.
Are you sure you have the right name this time?
If so, what about my reaction to the L-4 "issue" concerns you?

It's the name Parama fed me, and he's one of the most pro-town right now.

You defended your vote on ZazieR for putting CommieX at L-4 as a "random vote". A 8:4 mountainous alternating day and night is unbalanced in scum's favor as one mislynch is enough for potential MYLO, so it's not all that dangerous. This makes perfect sense on paper, but you unvoted CommieX when you voted ZazieR, which implies you seriously thought the wagon was dangerously high.

Also, help a returning player out and define "VI", please. Thanks.

Village Idiot, a townie who constantly says the wrong things and gets himself lynched. I used to be a pretty bad VI, and I still think myself a poor player, but I've improved since.

Also, if somebody has questions outstanding, try to wait for them to be answered before hammering.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, why do you think I'm pro-town?

You've been pretty much a very active scumhunter. In addition, now that we're in Day 2 with very likely one scum left, I really don't think scum would bus two of their buddies Day 1.

Just my speculation, I think it's probably a vig, since as SK, I don't think you want two scum dead so fast, with all likelihood that the third dies by the noose day two. Then you have to go like three straight days avoiding lynch and three straight nights avoiding being caught by a powerrole, not an easy feat.

This makes a bunch of sense logistically, but what other than that rules out that an SK mishit Mafia?

I did not kill VibeBox, by the way.

[StrangerCoug]

Yeah. A brief look at him in ISO and the bottom of the last page doesn't look good on him, so it makes even better sense.

[StrangerCoug]

The claim is believable, but I'm with charter here—Parama should not have posted his speculation about the entire setup, which may have helped Kitoari if he's scum. I'm willing to go CommieX over Seol if Kitoari isn't scum, though.

[StrangerCoug]

Why CommieX (who has been V/LA) over Seol (who didn't do anything D1 and called the scumhunting going on "noise")?

I was inclined to believe that CommieX was lurking since it was brought up in a negative light that he wasn't posting, while Seol didn't stand out to me.

[StrangerCoug]

1> Soft-defends obv scum DP and Vibe.

Stating a town read is not the same as soft-defending them. Sorry.

2> Reconciliatory tone.

Examples?

3> Ambivalent behavior.

My reads are not set in stone. If something comes up that messes with my read, I will react accordingly.

I reread 3 pages so far, and there StrangerCoug obviously tries to save his 2 scum buddy. I am voting he now, but I think I am going to reread the whole topic.

VOTE: StrangerCoug

Read the whole thread before you vote. I didn't hang on to these for long.

For the time being Parama vs. VibeBox looks town vs. town to me. DavidParker comes off a bit funny to me suggesting that Mafia would do a non-RVS bus on page 2, but his suggestion doesn't scream scum to me, and he does explain himself.

His first view when DP hasn't commitment too far into being obv scum yet.

Your problem is?

I've decided to stop waiting for stuff to happen and actually

MAKE

stuff happen. I would like one of charter and Parama to explain how mistaking ZazieR for being legitimately worried about an L-4 when he was making a sarcastic comment is scummy.

Hint:

A poor sense of humor is not a tell. (It's not a pre-emptive defense either; I don't want them throwing crap at me.)

Then he divert attention elsewhere.

I had two options: let myself be walked on or be productive and try to figure out what's going on. I took the more pro-town route.

As for the post, I simply didn't see anything scummy about you three at the time. Now that I've been set straight about the L-4 issue, VibeBox is my best guess as scum even if we include everybody else in the game (I still plan on waiting before voting him—I want to see what he says about it), while you and DavidParker aren't scummy enough to warrant anything by me.

Then he messed up his scumbuddy order, now saying Vibe is scummy and DP is not.

Did you even read what I posted? I switched reads on VibeBox after Parama pointed out that he, not ZazieR, made a big deal over being at L-4. Also, look closely at the first time I mention a read on DavidParker—I simply said his post was "funny". I specifically

DENIED

that I thought he was scummy right after he made it.

One of DavidParker or charter is scum. I need to figure out which, but I'm leaning the former. Maybe Parama's actually two for three?

The suddenly DP is scum again.

We can forget this given the above.

I don't think VibeBox has handled the L-4 issue very well, so I will VOTE: VibeBox.

And I swear to God I've seen Parama's ambitiousness before.

Back and forth, trying to figure out who best to buss.

So I was in a romantic mood? [/spelling Nazi]

What relevance does my comment on Parama have to this?

Why is my overall impression of Kitoari that he's out of it? Not all of his posts are like that, especially lately, but still...

Soft selling people without committing along the way so as to save his partner.

This doesn't talk about either DavidParker or VibeBox, both of whom flipped scum. This implies that you think the setup is either 8:4 or 7:5 (depending on whether you thought I was trying to see if I could bus Parama), neither of which make sense. Assuming a single kill goes off each night, one mislynch puts the game in MYLO at 8:4 and causes a town loss at 7:5.

VOTE: nopointinactingup

[StrangerCoug]

I'm VT.

(depending on whether you thought I was trying to see if I could bus Parama)

This looks suspiciously like a scumslip.

Pay attention. I asked what relevance you have to the quote where he says I'm trying to decide which person I'm trying to bus. It is

NOT

admitting to a bus myself.

[StrangerCoug]

A shoddily put together case on me and screwy thinking about how many Mafia there are.

[StrangerCoug]

KageLord, kill nopointinactingup for me please. He's the scum driving my lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

I of all people should know what KageLord is talking about when he says he wants to avoid stating his scum reads. First time I got vig, I announced who I was going to kill beforehand and went with it. I ended up drawing.

I still like nopointinactingup as scum. If we had only one scum dead, I'd start worrying a bit about how Parama and charter are connecting to each other, but since I think they're the same alignment and four scum doesn't make sense, as I previously said, they're probably both town rather than one scum and one town. I believe KageLord and think lynching Kitoari is the wrong answer, so process of elimination leaves cruelty, Seol, and Wingless for my #2 suspect. I want to see how Wingless responds to cruelty, so I'll leave them both alone and look at Seol.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, Seol's only decent post is ISO 7, which is a better case on Parama than nopointinactingup's on me, but I still see major flaws. I'm going to

FoS Seol

because I don't see his accusing Parama of being too confident as anything but the Too Townie fallacy. The case on pushing for both an investigation-immune and a bulletproof godfather makes sense in theory, but I'm willing to entertain the possibility that Parama doesn't have enough information to know which immunity the godfather has. (In my games, a godfather per se has investigation immunity and somebody with a bulletproof immunity is a different scum role entirely, but I'm not the one modding, so will probably have to live with this.)

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: OGMUS much? Why am I scum?

It's not OMGUS if I have a legitimate case back. Your case on me is crap, you apparently think I have scumbuddies other than DavidParker and VibeBox,

AND

I get to add your not answering this to my list of things against you:

I don't think VibeBox has handled the L-4 issue very well, so I will VOTE: VibeBox.

And I swear to God I've seen Parama's ambitiousness before.

Back and forth, trying to figure out who best to buss.

So I was in a romantic mood? [/spelling Nazi]

What relevance does my comment on Parama have to this?

If Parama is irrelevant, then say so. Instead, you treated the situation as if I never asked it. The only way I can be compared to a fly on the wall is if you're used to flies on the wall trying to eat you.

[StrangerCoug]

He's the scum driving my lynch.

So this is your final answer?

Yes, sir!

If Parama is irrelevant, then say so. Instead, you treated the situation as if I never asked it. The only way I can be compared to a fly on the wall is if you're used to flies on the wall trying to eat you.

[/quote]
Ha ha! You're scared now, aren't you?

Parama's not obvtown anymore and seems to be content with lynching whoever without actual properly scumhunting and I'll probably vote him if I can't get support for nopointinactingup.

[StrangerCoug]

unvote, vote: StrangerCoug

You HAVE to be joking.

I actually take Mafia (and most everything else, for that matter) pretty damn seriously.

There is at least a 95% chance that we have 1 scum left. So you should vote your #1 suspicion no matter what

And you apparently can't decide on your #1 suspicion. You've gone back and forth between calling me misguided town and scum quite a bit today. Make up your mind.

2. You really think I'm scum who tried to pull of the epic double-bus... on day 1?

Counterattacking me with WIFOM, eh? I've played scum games where I've bussed all my buddies early. I can't think of one off hand where I won as scum, but your post is still weak.

Town is ahead and I know I'm expendable, but if I must die, I would like to die with town thinking coherently.

[StrangerCoug]

If considering voting my #2 suspect with likely only one scum remaining is scummy, so be it. I'd rather have a fallback in case nopointinactingup either is a nonviable lynch or flips town than stall the game, which I hate to do as much as you.

[StrangerCoug]

I've had that happen in one of my early games too, DavidParker. Don't feel

TOO

bad.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm actually being hard on myself, not you—I could have sworn to God the last scum was you or Parama, and I was off the mark.

[StrangerCoug]

Are those stats exclusive to Little Italy, Hoopla? Town seems to win more of my games than they lose—of the games I modded, they only lost Mini 716, Mini 830 (I think), Mini 1,011, and Go Play in Traffic! Scum has yet to win a multiball of mine, and the only StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare game scum won is thanks to my practice of dealing with game-ruining mod errors (everyone that didn't legitimately lose before the error wins).