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[Iecerint]

OK, I've sent a PM to Vi.

I had proxy'd my vote to CKD at that point.

We don't know 100% that Socrates got his ability from !!!!!!!!!!s, I don't think.

Why is AGar in your town club?

1. That line alone doesn't do much to convince me one way or the other.
2. It implies that she is scum with Furc, or that she tracked me successfully. Or she panicked and guessed, but that last is unlikely because her scumfriends wouldn't have missed that I'd claimed Neighborizer and let her make an error like that.

[pacman281292]

Plum calls for town unity in her 656, all in bold. I, despite being in Plum's scumlist, totally endorse that post.

Then why did you never write up a 3 scumreads/1 Townread list like I asked? Or did I miss it somewhere?

Yes you did. I did it in one of my catch up wallposts (I think it's post 1776, I'll tell you the exact number later). I know that was late, but it's there.
Otherwise I do like that post.
Not done with the CKD reread. Adressing that and the "FREE ANSWER QUESTIONS" tomorrow.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: At my 1776 I do post some scumreads, but mostly based on skim-reads, and my former "official" scum reads, which are stated in post 1663.

[Plum]

We don't know 100% that Socrates got his ability from !!!!!!!!!!s, I don't think.

His call for massclaim Day 2 and his resp[onse to Vezok's claim strongly implies that something similar happened to him.

Okay, Pacman, thanks.

One more thing. I need both Iecerint and Haylen to paraphrase an flavor/formatting they got with their power gain. IN THAT ORDER, PREFERABLY.

[Iecerint]

Hmm. Why do you want me to do it first?

[Plum]

Because I trust you

I think

slightly less than I trust Haylen. Due partly to the act that Haylen Tracked you correctly; I'm not completely convinced on her but would prefer to hear from you first. Okay? Also, why do you ask?

[Iecerint]

Because this exercise is only useful to catch whoever does it second, and it would be nice to catch Haylen.

How about this -- I'll claim my format, but I'll categorically lie (i.e. about font color, or formatting, etc., rather than totally making shit up) about exactly 2-3 aspects of it (or whatever number you want). This way, we'll both be tested.

I'm recommending more than 1 aspect because the scum may have something with a similar format already from their !!! or whatever.

[SocioPath]

EBWOP: At my 1776 I do post some scumreads, but mostly based on skim-reads, and my former "official" scum reads, which are stated in post 1663.

Keep standing on your fence.

[Plum]

Because this exercise is only useful to catch whoever does it second, and it would be nice to catch Haylen.

How about this -- I'll claim my format, but I'll categorically lie (i.e. about font color, or formatting, etc., rather than totally making shit up) about exactly 2-3 aspects of it (or whatever number you want). This way, we'll both be tested.

I'm recommending more than 1 aspect because the scum may have something with a similar format already from their !!! or whatever.

No, this exercise is useful to catch whoever lies. If we have a contradiction . . . In any case, if you're interested in seeing if Haylen's going to get caught, that's fine with me.

You needn't talk about formatting details. If you

really want to

lie about font color, that's fine, if you

must

. I don't want lies about what the words are (in paraphrase where appropriate to avoid rulebreaking), what order they're in, &c. ONLY LIE ABOUT FORMATTING DETAILS IF YOU ASK THE MOD WHETHER YOU CAN CLAIM THOSE DETAILS TRUTHFULLY IN THE THREAD. IF THAT'S CONSIDERED RULEBREAKING, DON'T MENTION THEM AT ALL AND TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

If you do lie, you will post your real formatting

as soon as possible after Haylen claims

.

[pacman281292]

EBWOP: At my 1776 I do post some scumreads, but mostly based on skim-reads, and my former "official" scum reads, which are stated in post 1663.

Keep standing on your fence.

did you even read those posts? no? then don't come here with flaff and read.
stop lurking. if you actually do feel suspicious of someone, speak now or STFU forever.
dammit...

[Iecerint]

You are mistaken. If I claim it, scumHaylen can just say YEP THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE and get away with it.

If we do it my way, she has to ACTUALLY have the same stuff as me for it to work.

I'll send it to Vi before I post it.

[Plum]

You are mistaken. If I claim it, scumHaylen can just say YEP THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE and get away with it.

If we do it my way, she has to ACTUALLY have the same stuff as me for it to work.

I'll send it to Vi before I post it.

Fine, whatever you say. But if the Moderator says that talking about formatting things like font color/size is not allowed, I still want truth on things like wording only.

Also, if you lie on formatting and then Haylen comes in and says 'no it was actually like this' it just gives

you

the opportunity to say YEP THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE and get away with it, so.

Basically, I want you claiming first and I don't want you to get away with things by claiming you were lying about formatting. I want what Vi told you in terms of that. Formatting details ice the cake, no more.

IF AT ANY POINT AFTER THIS YOU CLAIM TO HAVE LIED ABOUT WORDING OR OTHER BASIC INTEGRAL MATTERS OF THE ABILITY-RECEPTION PM YOU WILL BE SPEEDLYNCHED IMMEDIATELY. YOU HAVE ONE CHANCE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH ON THEM; NO MORE.

[Iecerint]

You know, you were the one who mentioned "formatting" originally. Dunno why you're acting like I'm the deviant here.

And yep, it gives scumIec a small number of outs; that's true.

I also said from the beginning that I wouldn't flat-out make shit up, so your comments/concerns on how I'll be sneaky about that or whatever are unfounded. Paraphrase rules will probably keep that from being useful, anyway. Or any of it but.

GOSH YOU ARE SO DRAMATIC.

[Plum]

...

Yeah, but you were the one who mentioned lying about formatting originally. I'm more interested in wording/basic formatting (like say order of elements, if applicable) than font color &c. Whatever. We've agreed on something and I'm not interested in this until your claimed wording and whatnot it up there.

Why is AGar in your town club?

Easy. I don't think his interactions with mothrax were bussing; he seemed to be on mothrax honestly for a good long time, even when it wasn't popular, but again not in a way I thought was likely to be a bus. It's certainly possible, though far from probable, that he's scum, but he's not an option for today and I'd like to work with him and the others more cohesively today.

[Iecerint]

k

[Iecerint]

Going to study a bit, but Vi sent me a PM saying that I had it from 1053.

[Plum]

...

SO WHAT'S THE WORDING ON IT???

[Vi]

Some friendly advice - don't do anything that would earn you the distinction of being the first person I've modkilled.

[Plum]

...

You got it.

That said, Iec, if you can't say anything specific, at least

tell us that you're not allowed to say anything or whatever

. You know DGB's saying about fakeclaims. Obviously anything you are

definitely are allowed to say

would be appreciated.

[Iecerint]

I just asked her for the post association before, so that's all I got back.

I just sent her a paraphrase now. I'll post it if she OK's it, or I'll scale it back if she says I am naughty.

[Plum]

Sounds fine.

[Iecerint]

Vi seems to think this is slightly sleazy, but she's OK'd it:

It starts with a bit centered in caps in the middle with green font and tildes that implies our !!!!!!!!!s are doing something. Then it says I was given an ability by someone. Then the ability is explained in a quote box. The ability is italicized and in blue while the rest is normally written.

There's also a parenthetical clarification added at the end that lets me know that the ability resolves at the end of each day, since the quote box definition itself kind of implies that I would get a QT with my target instantaneously.

There are between 0 and 3 errors in the above. Haylen's turn. I'd like her to stipulate what the errors are in this description, if any.

[Plum]

Slightly sleazy indeed.

Haylen, you're up. Correct Iec's mistakes in formatting if applicable, paraphrase, get it vetted by Vi, post. Please.

[Furcolow]

i am up for chronopie/plum/agar/furcolow alliance
very open to that
id say lets leave pacman alive for now

[Chronopie]

Oic there's pro-town alliance talks going on.

I agree.

::Now proxy-ing vote to plum::