Open 250 - Pie E7 Mark II

[curiouskarmadog]

vote SaintKerigan

fucking joking..

confirm

and

unvote

, just in case.

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my god...

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my money is for Saintkerrigan as scum....life has a cruel sense of humor.

vi is quite obviously town this game...I got your meta bud....I know you better than you know yourself....if I could have naked time with your meta, your meta wouldnt laugh at my small penis because we got to know each other on a deeper level at first. Then, when i knocked your meta up, it wouldnt take me to court for child support, because your meta knows...this bird cant be caged...its got to fly.

that being said...

I think a single post can say a lot.

vote Saintkerrigan.

for real

[curiouskarmadog]

hmmm.....but no comment on my different play style?

I dont recall being so jokey last time around.

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Your new playstyle creeps me out. Though I would like your reasoning for Vi-town atm. You people and your reads on nothing....sheesh.

@Vi - if I can get my head around Sottyr and you aren't fooling me (I really can't trust my reads on you at all anymore ) then I'm all about AwesomeTownBloc '10.

hey bud, my read last game was on nothing....this game, it is just the feel of his play...which to me seems glaring for page 1-2.

hmmm.....but no comment on my different play style?

I dont recall being so jokey last time around.

...I can't really tell a difference tbqh. You didn't have a reason to be jokey last time because you were spending all your time gambiting, hiding behind a flame shield, or voting TERRIBLY WRONG in LyLo.

wrong man, I voted terribly wrong which got us to lylo....Day 2 on the other hand, I was on the money with you.

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@Mod: Don't count that vote, it's a joke

think of a word...rhymes with "fuck face"

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I agree with VP that sottyrulez's early statement was rather ambiguous, but I can see how it would be intended as a joke. I think both sides are overreacting to each other now.

'Sup, CKD. Since there's not really a point to trick-voting me at this stage, I'd appreciate knowing the reasons behind your vote.

@ Vi: Why can't I be in the Town Power Bloc?

just getting the game started, you are not concerned with Vi's vote?..why?

unvote, vote nopoint

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Vi, I was joking, i dont really think you are a fuck face....mostly.

because my "for real" vote was obviously a joke (werent we all just in a game together were I voted St.K but misspelled the name?)

your joke was a joke as well, THUS I was asking her why comment on my joke vote but ignore yours.

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EBWOP: Also, why the quick switch to nopoint?

just getting the game started,

spreading the love, you wanted me to keep my joke/random vote on you?

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at this point in the actual game, i dont think you said anything...you really thought this was a real vote outside of anything random and/or funny?

my money is for Saintkerrigan as scum....life has a cruel sense of humor.

vi is quite obviously town this game...I got your meta bud....I know you better than you know yourself....if I could have naked time with your meta, your meta wouldnt laugh at my small penis because we got to know each other on a deeper level at first. Then, when i knocked your meta up, it wouldnt take me to court for child support, because your meta knows...this bird cant be caged...its got to fly.

that being said...

I think a single post can say a lot.

vote Saintkerrigan.

for real

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lol, you guys must think I really blow at being scum? as anyone actually bothered to read a scum game I have been in?....but that is blah meta suck blah.

anyway, I am not buddying....I am scum hunting..

I dont feel so bad for the early hammer last game, because you guys (town) are about ready to do the samething (and quick mislynch)again...for little reasoning.

Equinox, quick question buddying (how do you know that vi is actually town?), what is protown about asking for St. K and no point to post (null reads) but still putting me at -1?....unless you just want my claim.

unfornately I dont have a sweet claim to save my ass right now...

I am vanilla.

now, would CKDscum fake claim, to draw out a power role?....probably...but that is all blah WIFOM blah.

would someone at least unvote me, so we can get a little more information out of the day?..lynch me at the end of the day fine...but why such a quick rush?

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well, I sort of understand where you are coming from on thinking I am buddying...though i am not, but whatever, the proof is in the pudding...you also seem to scan over my this post toward Vi.

hmmm.....but no comment on my different play style?

I dont recall being so jokey last time around.

scum hunting bud...i give him a "town" cred, to see what he does with it....and wondered why he didnt comment on my change in style...if i felt he was completely town, do you really think I would follow up with this?....but I guess that didnt really fit into your "he is scum buddying" theory..so you left it out when pushing the thoery?

everything else is utter crap...spreading my vote around = scummy? voting someone who hasnt posted in game in the first 3 pages of a new game = scummy?...bullshit....

do you really believe those things are scummy?

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it just looks like noise....there is nothing to go on page 1...it is getting discussion started...much like what I was doing....

how the fuck am I going to say that someone is absolutely town on page 1?....it is all about the reaction at this point. that being said, I still think Vi is town (lol)...will that stay?...who knows.

if more developed out of the VP/sotty exchange I would comment on it...right now, it looks like sotty is trying to scum hunt..if it got VP -1 and sotty was still on the wagon (with nothing else)...I might delve into it...

bottom line: from my POV at this time, it is a non issue.

what is a curious thought though

sotty, what EXACTLY about my play thus far do you think is designed to not ruffle feathers?

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In short, running people up to lynch -1 without being serious about lynching them is scuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummy.

When I put curiouskarmadog at L-1, I was serious. What I had expected was curiouskarmadog answering the questions posed to him,

woah...

what questions were posed to me?

Sorry about that. Time isn't working in my favor right now.

sottyrulez and VP Baltar back-and-forth nearly gave me a headache. I'm getting town vibes from both of them. I probably should go back and read the previous Open 250, though.

vote SaintKerigan

fucking joking..

Why did you feel the need to include the second line? It's not like we haven't seen that particular vote before.

my god...

"...you're like a trained ape"? /shot

Okay, the real question is why you posted this. It contributed nothing to the conversation between SaintKerrigan, sottyrulez, and VP Baltar. You weren't in danger of receiving a prod, so this wasn't a prod dodger. "My God" isn't any form of analysis. So... why?

vi is quite obviously town this game...I got your meta bud

VP Baltar is correct in this regard; you pegged Vi as town on practically nothing. I call buddying.

just getting the game started,

How to kick off Day 1:

1. Ignore the real meat of the game
2. Find an inactive player who has not posted on-site since confirming
3. Vote him/her
4. ???
5.

PROFIT!

GET LYNCHED

VOTE: curiouskarmadog L-1

The game started before it even began. There was no need to try to "get the game started." That reads as an attempt to both distract the town from an informative interaction and to completely ignore contributing your own opinion. There's no excuse to ignore it when you have meta on sottyrulez and VP Baltar from the first game, and you did not hesitate to use meta on Vi on significantly smaller grounds.

Your attempt to buddy up to Vi is so blatant that it's causing some dissonance. On the one hand, we have your Best Mafia Performance Scummy; on the other hand, we have this painfully obvious move. Something's up. I don't like the smell of it, either. Explain your read on Vi.

Need moar from SaintKerrigan and nopointinactingup. Two completely null slots ATM.

the questions you actually posed to me, I did not answer...as a matter of fact, i actually called your other points crap.

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unvote..

I am two pages (large posts?) behind...will get to this tomorrow (hopefully)

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omg, seriously..colors now too?....

just checking in...hoping for tomorrow for this game.

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2nd in line to update.

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hey if you think I am lurking vote me..i am not...I had a game that required more of my time..if you care to see why, meta me...you will also find the other games that are in line to be updated....st. k, did you bother to check?

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i am skimming...you will get it when you get it...this one is second in line (have a 3rd one too)...if you have an issue with that and think I am scummy for it...lynch me.

I am trying.

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reading and updating now.

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I am (re)reading from about post 93…I am noting there are a lot of walls of text..I will try to keep this as non-wall as possible..
I will be typing as I am going.

After ckd's premature claim I think I'm going to go back to flaming him again. That was a huge blunder in a role-centric game like this one.

curious vi, when should I have claimed? You can shake your finger all you want, but you just avoided lynching town.

CKD, that claim was very premature and extremely anti-town... but it also happens to be my strongest argument for lynching you at this point, as nothing else in your play makes me feel confident that you'll actually flip scum.

what is anti-town about it? was it scummy (the claim) or just anti-town?

ckd went to great lengths to WIFOM his claim up, and did a good job of it. I think it's more likely that ckd is Town though, although that was a harder decision to make than it had to be.

well it wasnt by design..as I was typing it, i kept thinking..damn that sounds WIFOM....and damn that sounds WIFOM in front of me too...even as I was agreeing in the post that it sounded WIFOM, i thought.."fuck that it WIFOM too", it never stops.

NEW PLAN.
I'd like to check the feasibility of an AwesomeTownBloc^TM consisting of myself, Equinox, and curiouskarmadog. What I have in mind will probably not work unless we all agree that we are Town and are willing to trust each other. You're welcome to refuse and explain why if you're not comfortable with it, but I wouldn't ask you to consider it without some worthwhile reason.

interesting, might revisit once I get caught up

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A lot of theory debate about the claim (save it for end game)
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Yo. I'm back!
- The scums are likely Equinox/CKD.
Now why is the scumteam Equinox + CKD you may ask:

CKD

: His style has changed drastically from the last game. His former-game gambit suggested that he was eager to scum hunt at game beginning ( which is opposite from me actually =P ), while in this game he hardly makes an attempt to scum-hunt, resorting instead to mostly jokes and masochist-like comments while masking himself with votes on the inactives .

how did my play style work out last game?...I also had a power role then too....this posting seems awful narrow minded. Also, could there be any other reason I am acting this way?....can you think of any reason my I brought my change in playstyle up earlier in the thread?

• CKD acts scummy and gets run up to lynch -1 and claims early.

At this point we were happy with this wagon if pissed at the claim.

I dont understand this, how can you be happy with the wagon (because you think I am scum) but then be pissed at the claim (because I supposedly shrank the PR pool)...why cant I be scum fakeclaiming in your eyes?..the only reason you would be "pissed" (atp) is because you know I am town. If you thought I was scum, then the VT claim should just have been a fake claim.

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So many walls, eyes are bleeding
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More accurately put, CKD is not playing like his meta, so I have a definite suspicion on him.

Sweet shit, I love posts like this…please, do tell me what my meta is?...since you must have checked a couple games (to include my last mafia role from a year ago)…you must have a solid understanding of my meta…please explain..how do I play as town?...is there any difference between a town vanilla or town power in my play? any games you read that you feel demostrates your theory well?

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Damn, ok, baby needs to be fed. Will finish up pages 7-9 tonight!

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@ckd - I don't know why you're taking the tough guy attitude with me. It has been many days since we saw something that wasn't an anti-prod post from you. Do you think people are being unreasonable?

you are not the only one who has said something, why do you think it was directly solely to you?

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and I dont mean to be a dick, but I am fustrated..time is lacking...and half of my games have giant walls of text to read...and out of 70+ games, i have only replaced out of 1....so bear with me....

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nice deflect, and no..not everyone in thread said "I was happy about the the wagon and pissed at the claim"....also, "are we all scum"? no sir(s), you dont get to put yourself in that lot...

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@ckd - I don't know why you're taking the tough guy attitude with me. It has been many days since we saw something that wasn't an anti-prod post from you. Do you think people are being unreasonable?

you are not the only one who has said something, why do you think it was directly solely to you?

I think it was because you posted right after me. I understand life gets in the way and I'm not calling you scummy for it really. Just noting that I do expect content at some point (which you appear to be delivering now, so it's moot)

being fustrated with someone who cant/wont/avoding a thread is understandable....FoSing (ie saying they are scummy) is a different matter (st.k) especially if they didnt follow up with your other current games to see if this was a common thread or just for this game....(I will address this again) during the update.

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had to update my other games first...will do 7-10 here tomorrow

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Finishing the update (pages 7-11, now)

Equinox, comes in and explains his unvote. I am actually not understanding the Equinox hate based on the unvote. I think some of his other moves have been scummy (like the initial -1 vote), but the unvote I don’t think was scummy. (no not because he unvoted me)…I have been in plenty of games and unvoted someone based on their posting (Equinox defines this as tone). If he was scum, he would have just kept his vote on me…as others have pointed out, I just claimed vanilla, so it would not have been a stretch for scum to say, “I don’t believe the claim”

@CKD #83: Firstly: I. Fucking. Hate. Premature. Claims. The only time

anyone

should ever claim, when they're town, is when they feel that their lynch is inevitable, and at the time a CKD definitely was not set in stone. Scumpoints to CKD on this one.

Explain why the claim deserved “scumpoints”..in your words please. I was at -1…others were talking about me being “scummy” at that point…how was it not inevitable? As scum (I know this is WIFOM, but still want an answer)..if I was going to fake claim...why not out attempt to out a doc or a cop? so why is my vanilla claim getting scumpoints from you?

SaintKerrigan's catchup post is bad, and not just because I got the short end of the opinion poll. The vote comes from nowhere and is placed on the person on the

other

side of who SK evidently thinks is most likely scum (Equinox based on pinging the scumdar and the quote of Let's Attack Vi Over Defending Equinox again), the wall is half whining and griping and leads in no direction, and considering I neatly laid out sr vs. Vi I was hoping for at least some idea of why I didn't come out ahead.

This.

I'm arguing that she shouldn't have put CKD at lynch-1 if she didn't want the claim and/or lynch. Saying she didn't expect a claim isn't true.

I also agree with this statement...this would be the only reason Equinox would be scummy. Not the unvote.

You want me to name a suspect? Very well. You're at the top.

Unvote: nopointinactingup. Vote: Vi.

The nopoint vote has (or should have) served it's purpose. Normally I like to wait until my catchup is finished before I vote, but Vi's #174, in conjunction with what I've already read, simply screams scum to me.

scummy vote.

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Just a side note here, for all of you who said “I don’t believe the vote to get things started, blah blah blah” it most certainly got things started…my name has been mentioned more in every post than any other….maybe its good, maybe its bad, but it definitely has gotten people’s stances, and people’s stances on those stances….so feel free to at this point suck my ass.
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curious vi, when should I have claimed? You can shake your finger all you want, but you just avoided lynching town.

You should have claimed when someone asked for a claim, at least if vanilla. With power roles (and scum) things get a little messier but etc.

We all play differently man…just because something works for you, doesn’t me it is the right play. As it stands, my claim…..or tone..or whatever, stopped a town lynch….so, I might have shrank the pool that scum will look for a power role, but I think the trade off is good…we can debate it more end game if you want. The issue is, if you think my claim was a bad move (and this goes for everyone who is saying it) then you must think I am town….
Which is my I don’t understand the sotty revote. He complains about how much of a bad play my claim was….but he has got to think I am town, if he thinks it is a bad play. If he thought I was scum, it was just a fake claim(ie not a bad play, just a play)….
Actually at this point in the reread (page 9), I am not getting a scum vibe off of sotty, BUT the vote doesn’t make sense….so….

[*ckd - I can vouch that ckd has been busy elsewhere. All things considered I think I'm willing to keep him in the watch-but-more-likely-Town bin.

at this point in the game, it was VERY confirmable...out of 4 games, i was posting in one that needed immediate attention...all others got the "will update soon" posts...looking forward to reading to see if St. K addressed my question in regards to this.

CKD, I'm not sure what you are driving at. We were happy with your wagon at the time because we thought you would flip scum, hence our vote.
THEN you claimed in the manner you did.
We became pissed after this because of copious reasons detailed in thread (math + anti town + shrinking of vanilla pool + etc). An emotion that was further compounded by Equinox's behavior.

THE FACT, you were pissed, meant you thought I was town....so you went from thinking I was scummy, to my claim (or tone), and you becamse pissed because you thought I was town shrinking the PR pool....can you name anyone else in the game that also "changed" their opinion...also, I dont understand your revote at this point..

More accurately put, CKD is not playing like his meta, so I have a definite suspicion on him.

Sweet shit, I love posts like this…please, do tell me what my meta is?...since you must have checked a couple games (to include my last mafia role from a year ago)…you must have a solid understanding of my meta…please explain..how do I play as town?...is there any difference between a town vanilla or town power in my play? any games you read that you feel demostrates your theory well?

Sorry I don't stalk. What I meant is meta from the previous game.

That is what I thought, you don’t have a fucking clue about my meta…..that is why your “suspicion” of me is bullshit. a quick look at my wiki and you could find at least one scum game and a dozen town games…but you just want to throw out “he is playing against his meta”….I don’t believe that you believe that.


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Jesus, I got to go….stopping on post 231 on page 10..

At this point, I would probably vote either nopoint or st.K…got to finish the fucking read though…I am trying, but the pages are sooo long.

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Posting to say we are inclined to agree with Vi at this point. I don't think the PR's are going to actually help win this game with how dirty pretty much everyone looks. Mass claim will happen, lets force it on our terms.

Claim now, ruffle the scums feathers and work from there.

Will get to the other posts made later on today.

woah woah what?...skimmed and saw this...not sure what it is in reference too...let me comment first before this.

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The issue is, if you think my claim was a bad move (and this goes for everyone who is saying it) then you must think I am town….

Not necessarily true.

how as town can you think my move was bad AND assume I am scum?...unless you are saying that scum would also say my move was a bad one, then I am inclined to agree (but I doubt that is what you are saying)

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just skimmed...

@nox, that is the game of mafia...people think people could be lying and will call them out on such (paranoia)....scum will say others are lying....the whole essence of the game to to figure out WHO IS LYING...

it is the game..if you cant handle that, you need to just quit playing the game..I will read to see if sotty went overboard somewhere, but I really dont think he did

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omg, we are fucking claiming???..let me look to see who has claimed....god dammit....I need more time...I am against this claiming.

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actually, i am against the claim, can someone please point out to me the post where someone explained why claiming at this point was a good idea?

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nm, I see vi's post 300....

I also see that I am the first to claim...

I think nopoint should start.

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VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

seems like the obvious choice.

I figured the FoS for "not posting" was bullshit.

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yay, for a win both VP and St. K jumped ship?

thanks for doing this again jason

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i got ready to say, i didnt think VP was the type to leave a game.

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i gots to get myself a hydra.

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Also @ckd: Is it just me or are you trying to send veiled messages via your sig?

you read into things too much.