Open 250 - Pie E7 Mark II

[VP Baltar]

/confirm

I'm scum, btw. Lynch me nao and I won't kill you tonight!

...wait, that came out wrong.

I think the real question here is whether or not you're kidding this time.

Do you think he is?

[VP Baltar]

Vote: VP Baltar

We find his reaction to my comment interesting.

Do elaborate. I'm finding this pre-game aggression quite amusing.

[VP Baltar]

I don't think it's indicative of anything really. A null joke in reference to the last game that SK could say as either alignment...which is why I asked if you were being serious or not because your post 6 seemed like a feeler for people doubting it. Of course, you then backed off and said it's "more than likely" that he's kidding when I questioned. your turn.

@Vi - my emoticon speak is a little rusty. words please.

@Equinox - you should probably try to get some words in this time in case the game goes to night by page two.

[VP Baltar]

Why? I do find it a bit funny when you contrast this game with the last game. Sottyrulez was mild in the opening pages of the last game and appears to be playing the tough tranny on this page one. The question is if this change is due to an alignment change or compensation for my accusations last game. Time and an explanation of why my comment was "interesting" will tell I suppose.

[VP Baltar]

Nothing about your comment was "pretty obvious" that you were joking or not, hence why I asked you to clarify. I feel your comment definitely could have been read as being aggressive. Perhaps you didn't intend it that way, but that's the point of asking. If you read everyone else's joking posts, they are quite obviously jokes when compared to yours. It was worth asking about. Also, your "muddling in the middle of the road" point is ludicrous for a game that hasn't started. You're right I'm not committing to if you're scum or not because what the hell do I know from a single post? Judging on alignment's like that is very poor play and you're both experienced enough to know that.

[VP Baltar]

lol, where did I assert that page 1 is too early to scumhunt? isn't that what I was doing by asking you to clarify, finding motivations and such?

Do continue. This is getting quite informative.

[VP Baltar]

@Sottyr - committing to someone's alignment based on one post and scumhunting on page one are not the same thing. That is the point I'm making. Scumhunting page 1 is fine if it's about the right things, jumping to irrational conclusions is not. Me questioning you wanting to vote me over asking for clarification is not saying scumhunting early game is wrong. You're obv. reaching to justify that assumption. If you're town, play better. If you're scum, keep stringing yourself out in this argument.

@Vi - I know you two are in cahoots! But seriously, did you read Sotty's SK post as an obv. joke? If so, what gave you that impression? Context alone?

[VP Baltar]

That's what I'm saying. It was ambiguous, which is all I was trying to find out. Sottyr then turns it around as me seemingly flipping out on them but not committing to calling them scum on a single post. This is why I think they're being hyper-aggressive.

[VP Baltar]

I'm just beating up on you aren't I. I agree the game is serious now, which is cool with me. I stand by my statements that you're the ones flipping out and not me though.

preview edit: I answered your "actual points". The points I'm making aren't derivative, as they were what I was focusing on the entire time. Anyhow, I have to get some work done now today. I'll be back later.

[VP Baltar]

I'm shocked!

[VP Baltar]

Your new playstyle creeps me out. Though I would like your reasoning for Vi-town atm. You people and your reads on nothing....sheesh.

@Vi - if I can get my head around Sottyr and you aren't fooling me (I really can't trust my reads on you at all anymore ) then I'm all about AwesomeTownBloc '10.

[VP Baltar]

I don't......




...really care for your aggressiveness in reply to what was really a simple question. It has made me highly wary of you at this point, which I don't like the feeling of because I feel like I should be able to read either of you the easiest out of the entire player list. You came across as mildly scummy in our little tiff. That being said, I'd like to here from the entire playerlist before I get too crazy with accusations. We're almost to page 3!

[VP Baltar]

See, it's saying stupid things like that that makes me think you guys are scum. Remember all that craptacular reasoning you tried to push in the last game. FLASHBACKS.

[VP Baltar]

Our reasoning for calling you scum in the last game has absolutely nothing to do with this game.

Pushing poo as scummy is your scum meta. So, yeah, related.

@ Vi: Why can't I be in the Town Power Bloc?

Because you're in the scum bloc. Life is unfair. who are your pals?

[VP Baltar]

1) I think you did behave aggressively even if you don't. I can only go by what you're saying in thread, not what your intentions are or were.

2) From my perspective, you were the one cutting short the RVS shenanigans. You can't honestly look at your post and say it was an obv. joke to an outsider. I was simply asking for clarification and you guys turned around and started calling me scum for it. I'm sorry, but I don't find that to be well thought out reasoning.

preview edit

In terms of voting, I will when I'm ready.

[VP Baltar]

the fact that you are claiming to be aware of your own meta and that I called you out as scum last game for lack of aggression means neither of those things are town points here. Null at best, and that's if the attack had some rationality behind it.

[VP Baltar]

sadly that is true. Though there is always a time to learn! Anyhow, I'm going to shut up now since we've basically just filled this page.

preview edit (stop ninja'ng me!)

re: finding attacks rational - certainly not if I'm scum. If I'm town I try my best to understand where people are coming from. I think if you're town you've been drastically reaching and trying to play the 2tuff4u crew. If I wasn't at least trying to figure out your motivation, I would have voted you already.

Enough about me, what about you Equinox and npau?

I agree with this. Getting a little testy, VP? At least sottyrulez is attempting to see the other point of view.

See above.

[VP Baltar]

Not too sold on ckd hate, over his vote...though I do agree with sottyr that he seemed to entirely sidestep EPIC CLASH OF THE TITANS '10. Would like his thoughts on that (and from our non-posters as well when they show up).

Also,

@Equinox - how would you self describe your playstyle? If you could daykill anyone from the start of this game with no repercussions, who would it be? Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream?

Still waiting on these from last game question dodger!

[VP Baltar]

must...resist....ironic....hammer.....

[VP Baltar]

But seriously, how confident are you in your read of ckd's play Equinox?

[VP Baltar]

Why the rush to claim is the better question... I don't really think you're

that

scummy ckd, but that post looks kind of like flailing about. Bring it down a notch. Nobody is going to quick hammer.

[VP Baltar]

But seriously, how confident are you in your read of ckd's play Equinox?

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Equinox

I'm not a fan of the quick voting to L-1 and then backing down right after a claim. Possible scum in search of power roles. Additionally, the original vote post bothers me because it's basically following others' arguments with a little fluff on top to make it look original. A lot of words with not a lot of solid reasoning.

@ckd - you still haven't said anything about SR vs. VP. Are you pleading the fifth?

[VP Baltar]

@Equinox - I don't mind being unoriginal on page 4 of game. It's more of the tacking comments about ckd's "fucking joke..." and "my god..." lines that I find suspicious. I really don't care about either of those things and they come across as padding your post. Unoriginal is ok by itself if you're admitting that's what you're doing. Trying to spruce up unoriginality with fluff is a bit more dubious.

I also find it weird that ckd has now shifted well up the list over his tone, but I guess that's a personal thing.

[VP Baltar]

@Vi (tempban LOL) - so just for the record, you think that running players up to a claim and then just willy nilly abandoning it is good play? In this setup? I'm as wary of a sottyrulez make up as you are, but they're on the correct side of the issue in this instance and you/Equinox are most definitely not. I will be quite interested to see where your vote does go with your next post.

[VP Baltar]

So you are either agreeing with me (and find me scummy for it) or you want to make sure the scum have a fair shot... While I agree that this setup is probably town favoring (waits for Zach to disagree), I don't think we should be helping balance it for the scum.

I'm not saying Equinox demanded the claim from ckd. However, s/he should have considered that was a possibility of putting a player at L-1. If ckd is town, it was certainly a dumb move to claim without being prompted, but it's also dumb to run someone up to that region if you aren't all that serious about it. Add to that the sudden readjustment of ckd from top scum suspect to high on the town list and I have to ask serious questions if the vote was genuine in the first place. Mind you, the change in heart is all over ckd's "tone," which is a completely subjective thing that the rest of the town can't even really evaluate it. If Equinox is town, then s/he is essentially handing the game on a platter to the scum by playing so erratically. I would like you to explain how any of this is good for town.

@Equinox - does ckd's tone nullify your other points that you claim he didn't answer and he claims are so BS he doesn't intend to answer?

[VP Baltar]

No, my wall is bigger! Nah-uh, mine is!

(real post coming when I muster the will to read all this)

[VP Baltar]

The druglord cometh. Had to go grocery shopping for my minions this morning. Please hold for full reply.

[VP Baltar]

The argument that Equinox backed down after a claim is absolutely worthless for the following reasons.
*EQUINOX DIDN'T ASK FOR ONE. I've had a bit of a rush of pointing out obvious things these days and it's bringing me into the SCREAMING DEATH CLUB in spite of me actually hating that style of play, but THIS IS ON THE PAGE.

While I agree that ckd really should not have claimed in that situation if he's town, that is a risk of putting someone at L-1. Town and scum players alike freak out at pressure and the perception that they are going to be lynched. Now, the argument could be made that ckd knows better than this and that'd be some amount of support for thinking his claim scummy. However, we've seen that ckd doesn't exactly follow established site meta anyhow, so meh. The fact remains that Equinox felt ckd was scummy enough to push him to the brink even if she didn't ask. If she saw him that scummy that early, I personally don't expect that kind of pressure to whamo disappear so quickly.

*If you believe a claim, you should unvote. Why stick with voting Town?

I agree with you. Lynching town, even in a massclaim centered setup like this one, isn't better than lynching scum. The question is if Equinox is being genuine in her belief of the claim. I'm not entirely sold.

*Equinox didn't actually unvote right after the claim. She stuck with it for a post.

Oh, please. It was within a couple of hours and ckd really didn't respond to her points. She said herself her points were trumped by his tone. I'm not saying that's not possible, just not something I'm going to take on scout's honor.

This is misrepresenting what I said SO MUCH. THERE IS NOTHING IN EQUIyou know why don't you just read it earlier in my post; it's in all caps there too and I'm fairly positive I've said it before.

I don't feel it was misrepresenting what you originally said about it. Which was:

Iiiiii'm not buying this actually.

Pretty ambiguous. If you're talking about a different post, you're going to have to quote it for me because that's the line I was referring to.

If Equinox is Town, then while prompting a claim wouldn't be good for Town she's still Town.

That was more of me just ranting that it's really bad play as town in this setup. If I actually get the feeling Equinox is town, I'm not going to want to lynch her today obviously. I hope you aren't implying that I would, as that is seriously reaching

This is the biggest point of contention we have. There is no reason, NONE to unvote a VT claim. Even more so in this kind of set up, the tone reasoning is a weak excuse.

This actually sounds more weak sauce than what you're arguing for. Yes it improves the scum's chances of stopping PRs tonight, but I don't think there is a net gain by lynching someone you think is town. You should try to lynch scum no matter what the setup is. I mean, look at last game. PRs played essentially no part, but I don't think the town was at an inherent disadvantage on Day 2.

Next question. If there is no reason, NONE to unvote a VT claim, why are we not lynching (more specifically, you not voting) ckd? Suppose you're wrong about Equinox and we lynch her. Now we have a dead Townie of some kind AND a claimed Vanilla lying around, and we're in an even worse situation. At least with lynching ckd we don't have any more claims. With that in mind, face it, you didn't "pretty much HAVE to vote Equinox" at all.

I actually agree with Vi here. If your stance is never unvote, then you should have never unvoted. Then again, sottyrulez could have been over indulgent in the hyperbole too.

I'm betting my own lynch CKD is town. Wouldn't make sense if I moved him down only a notch or two.

Why would you bet your own lynch? Are you unsure if you're town? And moving beyond the hyperbole of THAT statement, why isn't he even higher if you're that confident in him being town. I really am trying to understand your reasoning here, but it's not coming across as clear to me.

What I do know is I was taught that people don't claim when they're at L-1 until someone asks for it. It's the expected play.

Do you recall who taught you this? That might help me out some here.

We're not lynching/voting CKD because the wagon died. Equinox played a large role in that, you know this. We had absolutely no intention of unvoting CKD before that. Equinox played a significant role in killing the bandwagon and she's scummy for it.

Well, in fairness, I think your unvote was much more crucial to the demise of the wagon. He was still at L-2, yeah? If you felt so passionately about him needing to be lynched, I would think you would have argued for it and explained why it was necessary.

We are not voting for anyone other that CKD or Equinox. Yes it will be disastrous if both CKD and Equinox turn out to be town, but right now we think Equinox has a higher chance of being scum than CKD.

And then this basically sounds in contradiction of always lynch VT in E7. You're either scumhunting or playing strategy. I'm happy to have support for my Equinox wagon, but I don't like your cognitive dissonance at all. You really need to pick a side of your own argument.

curiouskarmadog: You went on defensive mode on page 4, which is understandable, but as of post 100, you've gone back to "not ruffling feathers" except to tell me that the case I made on you was full of it. What are your stances? Getting attacked shouldn't preclude you from continuing to hunt scum... but you knew that.

I support this motion. I still believe ckd is town, but playing the mute on current events is starting to grind my gears.

For the record, I agree with sottyrulez that I'm the better lynch if, by the end of the day, it's still between me and CKD (just not for the same reason), but that is a terrible dichotomy they're presenting, mainly because I firmly believe/know that neither of those bandwagons are on mafia.

Speaking of gear grinding...I ask again why in the heck you would want to be lynched over someone else if you know you're town? I thought you were just being dramatic before, but apparently you believe this? Unless you have insight into who has what role (in which case you could just tell us who the scum are and save us the time), you should never want yourself lynched. Even if you're 99% sure on ckd (which I doubt your read is that strong over tone) there is still a 1% difference between that and your confidence in your own role. Correct? Then again AtE and all that.

I'm seriously having a cow right now about this game.

Would you say you're moo-derately enraged?

I'd like to check the feasibility of an AwesomeTownBloc consisting of myself, Equinox, and curiouskarmadog.

I feel so betrayed. But seriously, AwesomeTownBloc's work much better when you have solid reads. Are you quite confident in your reads already? If not, your eagerness to chain yourself to people kinda bugs me.


Npau and SK being gone kind of puts a wrench in things. This thread is getting a little incestuous and I would like some other opinions floating around. Ckd, you're going to be the next best thing. Please get in here and comment with some decent thoughts.

tl;dr

My wall is bigger than yours. And it brings all the boys to the yard.............wait....

[VP Baltar]

Actually, he did. I wanted to know why he didn't comment on sottyrulez-VP Baltar, and he said he didn't comment because he felt it was noise. (Now that I think about it, that's... a pretty odd thing to say. I'm gonna go do this other thing first and go back to that post.) I then wanted to know why he buddied up to Vi, and he explained that it was a gambit. I thought that + tone was satisfactory enough.

I meant to your entire post not just those two points, but I get that those were the main part of your argument so ok.

I didn't expect VP Baltar to disagree with sottyrulez given that they were previously on the same ridiculous stance.

Well, I may be ready to blow your mind then. I want to see what Equinox digs up from her newbie game first.

[VP Baltar]

@sottyrulez - do you guys feel like the scum team is Equinox/Vi then?

@Vi - you seem rather on edge this game and I'm trying to determine why that is. Is the state of the game that frustrating to you or are there external factors (RL etc.) that are aggravating you?

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote: Sottyrulez

I can now buy that Equinox may not have expected a claim to happen. I don't really buy the 'always lynch the VT, but not really in this case cause we're going to scumhunt this time' logic, however. If you're going to use the always lynch the VT plan as justification for your vote, then it seems to me that you'd actually have to believe it. Too much cognitive dissonance for my taste.

[VP Baltar]

Hey look, skittles barf and giant wall posts... You guys are trying to ruin my Sunday aren't you?

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I'm just posting as I kind of go along here because I'm not going to wall the thread.

@sottyrulez - Have you looked at the game Equinox linked? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think the game you linked is completely comparable to this situation?

@nopoint - What is your past experience with ckd? Just the last game we had?

[VP Baltar]

I present Newbie 960 as evidence that my behavior towards CKD in this game matches my town meta. Yeah, "meta sucks," etc., etc. (Blatantly stolen from CKD.) In that game, I reread more than several pages to get reads on Day 1 because Sotty7 wasn't happy that I was fence-sitting. My conclusion was that NomDePlume was scum, and I'd built a pretty big case for that. NDP presented a one-post rebuttal, after which I felt my case was poorly founded and I dropped it. The fact that Sotty7 has missed this part AND THEN PRESENTED THE GAME AS EVIDENCE makes me wonder if she isn't simply pushing

Is this a fair interpretation of events in that game Sotty?

[VP Baltar]

@npau - I would like your thoughts on players who are not Equinox...namely everyone else. Also, if you're town, I would have thought you would have learned how bad tunnel mode is from the last game.

[VP Baltar]

I'm in the process of finding out. My vote is still on sottyrulez for that reason.

If you're simply unsure of where else to put your vote, then just say so. I don't really feel like you were trying to find out that much about sottyrulez as you were trying to prove that you were right. Your change of vote without them posting seems to confirm this theory. Why not call it what it is?

I'm warm to the Lynch-Claimed-VT idea as well, but why should I stop trying to scumhunt in case people don't agree with that proposition?

My point was that proposition wasn't pushed at all before the switch vote was made. It's one thing to say you believe something, it's another thing to back it up with votes.

SaintKerrigan's catchup post is bad, and not just because I got the short end of the opinion poll. The vote comes from nowhere and is placed on the person on the other side of who SK evidently thinks is most likely scum (Equinox based on pinging the scumdar and the quote of Let's Attack Vi Over Defending Equinox again)

Have to say I agree with this. I dont' understand that nopoint vote at all and some explanation would be nice.

OK. I think I'm caught up and I didn't even have to write a giant wall to do it. How neat of me.

[VP Baltar]

@SK - how was the purpose of your vote achieved when nopoint hadn't even posted yet?

@sottyrulez- I'd like your comments on SK please.

[VP Baltar]

Wow, this is an organized town. Somebody vote me, I feel left out.

@SK - I think your nopoint vote is ridiculous and your Vi vote isn't that far behind it. I'm considering voting you at this point. How is Vi OMGUSing you?

[VP Baltar]

well, in fairness, I'd like some content too ckd. Preferably soon.

[VP Baltar]

Thread is dead.

@Sottyrulez - how set are you in your ckd vote at this point?

@ckd - I don't know why you're taking the tough guy attitude with me. It has been many days since we saw something that wasn't an anti-prod post from you. Do you think people are being unreasonable?

[VP Baltar]

@ckd - I don't know why you're taking the tough guy attitude with me. It has been many days since we saw something that wasn't an anti-prod post from you. Do you think people are being unreasonable?

you are not the only one who has said something, why do you think it was directly solely to you?

I think it was because you posted right after me. I understand life gets in the way and I'm not calling you scummy for it really. Just noting that I do expect content at some point (which you appear to be delivering now, so it's moot)

[VP Baltar]

VP Baltar - Given how often it happens I'm actually kind of unnerved that VPB is agreeing with me, especially after last game. What gives?

Perhaps you're of a different alignment this time. Though I haven't really agreed with all of your points. I know you've forgotten with all of the Sottyrulez wall wars, but I actually called Equinox scummy first.

Also, I've read very little of these walls today. Hypocrisy at its finest!

[VP Baltar]

Likewise. How do you know I'm of a different alignment? And since you brought it up, do you still find Equinox to be scum/my?

When did I say I knew you were of a different alignment? Wow, that's just flat out scummy if you actually read that from what I wrote and are seriously asking that question. My point is that I'm town this game, so maybe you're town to and therefore I agree with good town points being made. In terms of Equinox, you should read my posts when I commented on her link and changed my vote.

[VP Baltar]

Vi has taken to the bad habit of overreacting to bad things people say about him

Do you think you're guilty of overreacting to what people say about you? I think you are.

You should have claimed when someone asked for a claim, at least if vanilla. With power roles (and scum) things get a little messier but etc.

This almost sounds accusatory. Do you think it was scummy of ckd to claim when he did?

Waitwaitwait.
*VPB-Town -> Vi-Town? I mean, it would be REALLY COOL if games were like that, but I'm quite surprised that you're willing to say that after getting burned by Vi-scum again. I mean really.
*So you're agreeing with what I'm saying because I'm apparently Town...? Isn't it supposed to go the other way?

No my point was if you're making good points that I find logical, I tend to agree. Reading back over my sentence...well that's barely English. But if you make well reasoned points, I tend to believe you're town. This applies to anyone and not just you. I guess this has bitten me in the behind (twice?) before with respect to you, but that doesn't mean I should automatically disagree with you on everything or find you scummy for no apparent reason other than my own alignment being with the town. If you think VP Baltar agreeing with occasional remarks from you = scummy, then you're being ridiculous my friend.

It sounds like you went from calling out her L-1 vote as poorly reasoned and rolefishing to just not rolefishing. I think sottyrulez is still going fairly strong on the Equihate wagon for other reasons, so it's not like that's all that's on the table about her.

The role fishing was obviously the heart of my argument there. I don't believe anymore that she was doing it, so Equihate based on my original points is slightly meh to me. I don't see what what SRs pursuit of Equinox has to do with my own feelings on the subject. You can elaborate on what you meant there.

The intent was "Why do you think I'm of a different alignment [from last time]", and that's still the question I want answered given that his reasoning for acting differently is based on a noncommittal "perhaps I'm of a different alignment this time".

Again, I never said explicitly that I believe you're of a different alignment. In case you haven't noticed, I don't read you all that easy and I'm certainly not ready to commit to you being town. I don't see how you take a snarky response from me and take it to mean that I have some kind of uber town read on you. I feel you're townish just because you generally seem more feisty this game, but I imagine that if either you or SR got the same alignment this time around you'd definitely try and switch up your playstyle as much possible to keep the heat off of you.


Where the hell is Equinox? Where the hell is SK? I thought I was moving toward being the laziest player in this thread.

[VP Baltar]

Equinox apparently has enough time to post multiple times in another game, but apparently not enough time to post here.

I'm interested in your product and or service.

I'm not sure about scummy, but certainly anti-Town. Is there any surprise that I almost sound accusatory (unintentionally as by this time the point has been driven into the ground)?

Well, it is a bit odd to see you make a seemingly accusatory statement about something I thought you had written off prior as anti-town, yes.

We're talking about points you agree with and points you don't agree with, and my memory's poor. Could you throw out some examples of each?

Now that's just being lazy. I disagreed with you on SR first thing in the game and on the Equinox rolefishing issue at first. More recently I agreed with you about SR's vote stances regarding vanilla's in this setup not really jiving with their voting for Equinox and then blaming her for derailing the ckd wagon.

Are you really arguing with me and you have no idea what you're talking about, or is this supposed to be some kind of test of my own geezer memory?

What are your own feelings about SR's pursuit of Equinox?

I find it to be a worthwhile pursuit. I think some of the points are flimsy (npaus town list thing is meh to me), but my reads aren't really that strong and we're on page 10 at this point. If Equinox is really thread dodging like SR is stating, then pressure on her is a good thing.

You (still) don't seem to be all that concerned about mis/reading me right now. Y/N and why?

Yes because it takes me time to get a confident read on you. Hell, last game I wasn't even confident of my read on you going in to Night 2. Since that's the case, I tend to put you aside day 1 until feel I get a better grasp on you. I'm confident that something will come over time, but I'm unconcerned with you in general at this point. If things change, you'll be the first to know.

I already noticed you were moving toward being the laziest player in the thread >_>

Well, you know. I gots ta be where I gots ta be. Plus I've had a lot of work this week and haven't had as much motivation to read all of my games in one lump like I usually do.

[VP Baltar]

Do tell.

If I was making a scum to town list immediately, it would read [SK, Sottyrulez], nopoint, Equinox, Vi, Ckd.

[VP Baltar]

I think the important question is, where's your avatar!

But seriously SR, why not give the benefit of the doubt that she'll post when she says she will and if she doesn't, then bash her?

[VP Baltar]

I also can't remember if VP has actually taken a position on CKD.

I have been calling him town for quite awhile. I thought I was making it clear, but if I hadn't I think he looks like the most pro-town person here despite his lack of contribution.

*VP Baltar: I was hoping for more "reads" than "list". Like reasoning. You know what I'm talking about.

Using words helps me to know what you're talking about. I'm not really in the mood to write a giant wall post explaining each incident that lead to someone being placed on a particular spot on my list. Is there someone in particular you're interested in? Despite my recent bout of laziness, I think I've been relatively clear on the hows and whys of that list even if I hadn't typed it out in ordered form prior.

[VP Baltar]

You aren't xRx. This laziness doesn't become your Town meta at all.

I was more going for DDD, but I'll try to get to your request at some point today.

I'm not sure about massclaim today or not. I can see the advantages of shifting the control of that to us, but you're also eliminating any small chance we have making use of our PRs tonight. I can see a very obvious play by the scum if we mass claim that probably would not end well for town...I assume you do too? You're willing to risk it?

-preview edit-

Actually, even in brief thought I think it's kind of a bad idea. I'm almost inclined to call it a scummy suggestion, since I know you're a more thorough thinker than that.

[VP Baltar]

I don't think reconciling those is that much of an issue. You made your post about her thread dodging before she posted, correct? I was saying, she posted and said "I'll be posting in 5 hours" and you voted. I think it was rather impatient for the sake of looking impatient, which isn't very townish imo.

[VP Baltar]

meh, I found it kind of antagonizing for no real reason, which can get a rise out of scum or town. Just how I see it.

[VP Baltar]

I literally am punching babies right now. It's very cathartic.

I hope you stay Equinox. You can join me on the SR wagon. I'm the only cool kid in town anyhow.

[VP Baltar]

Honestly Vi, the laziness has nothing to do with my alignment this game and everything to do with something in RL. Unfortunately, I have to request replacement from the game. I have already PM'ed Jason and I'm currently seeking a replacement for myself. I will explain post-game why. I enjoyed playing with everyone and look forward to more games in the future.

[VP Baltar]

I didn't really jump ship. I'll let Zach explain.

GG town. Had I been able to stay, I definitely would have played Vi's mass claim different than my replacement and I don't believe it would have been such a thorough town victory, but oh well.

[VP Baltar]

What would you have done VP?

You mean if I had been able to stay? I would have obv claimed vanilla and prayed that SK did the same. That leaves five players, three of whom are town, to be lynched. I also would have shoveled dirt on Vi for wanting MC in the first place because the obviously play for scum is to claim vanilla and thus make the PRs completely null. I would have gone for basically any mislynch at that point, preferring Vi if possible. RB sotty that night and kill you obv.

Presuming SK didn't get lynched Day 1 (and it was heading there, but MC might have shifted focus), that would leave VP, SK, ckd, Equinox, SR in lylo. I probably would have tried to stir up SR towards Equinox again. I don't know if I could have flopped on ckd, but he was pretty much not contributing at that point, so it would have been possible.

I actually think my play this game wasn't all that bad. I was in a fairly decent position with no one other than Vi stating any kind of serious suspicions my way. But, that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess. SK needed to participate and lynching him D1 probably would have ended in a town victory as well, so that's the real key to the puzzle of 'if things could only have been different'.

[VP Baltar]

sorry, my lylo prediction is my optimal situation lylo. it would be two of [ckd, Equinox, SR]

[VP Baltar]

*Vi not SR

I'm obviously barely coherent at this point.

[VP Baltar]

And you both would have been lynched. You couldn't have flung enough dirt on me to get out of that massclaim.

Well, not to get into ego wars or anything, but I wasn't afraid of your massclaim in the least. My main concern was SK claiming vanilla and not trying to do what my replacement did. I know you felt like you were running things at the time, but I didn't really feel like you were in a considerably better position with Equinox or NPAU than I was. I think it would have been very arguable that you as scum would have wanted massclaim at the same time.

[VP Baltar]

It wasn't really about getting out of massclaim so much as it was about making you look bad for wanting it.

[VP Baltar]

lol, ditto

[VP Baltar]

It didn't matter if you were afraid of the massclaim. What mattered was that Equinox and sottyrulez bought into my explanation. Had either of them not been convinced at the reveal, then yes, this game would have turned out even better for you than it already was.

FWIW, I was going to argue that massclaiming was a bad idea because the scum would just claim vanilla and the town would really be no better off than it already was. I was kind of sad that the scum after me didn't pursue this line of thought, but not much you can do I suppose.

[VP Baltar]

Nah, I've only ever replaced out of one game and that was because I had way too much RL stuff going on. I definitely wouldn't have left here if I absolutely didn't have to.