Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[curiouskarmadog]

vote dry-fit

the name does not sound comfortable.

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drmy, I think I have only been in one game with you (did you replace in?)...you werent this chatty....but hey chatty is good, at least Day 1...

unvote, vote zdenek

, much rather start a wagon on scum than town.

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drmy, I think I have only been in one game with you (did you replace in?)...you werent this chatty....but hey chatty is good, at least Day 1...

unvote, vote zdenek

, much rather start a wagon on scum than town.

how do you know the person you are voting for wasn't town

are you serious?

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drmy, I think I have only been in one game with you (did you replace in?)...you werent this chatty....but hey chatty is good, at least Day 1...

unvote, vote zdenek

, much rather start a wagon on scum than town.

how do you know the person you are voting for wasn't town

did you read zdenek's post or are you just picking random posts to attack without really looking into them first?

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@andrew.

exactly so know we have gotten no where, and we are right where we started, also now there is a wagon on a town person, with no reasoning, and this sucks.
Also anti hero, your deffending of name is noted

Wagons on town seem to be the way most games start.

When it comes to Shotty he jokes about being mafia and he seems to think that nameloc will later say that his "reason" is a real reason for getting on a bandwagon.

Vote Shotty

as I was quoting this to explain what I thought as a scum slip up, I realized it wasnt....I read it originally that he had some inside knowledge, ie who was town.....

what he was actually doing was just stating that most wagons Day 1 are usually on town (nothing more)...what I thought he said was that most wagons are town (like in this game)...I thought "how does dude know that the current wagon is town"?

unvote

I misread it.

[curiouskarmadog]

can someone show me the post where joystick says that shotty is overreacting...I think i am missing it.

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joystick, do you feel that overreaction is scummy? why or why not..

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nameloc brings up decent points....

you feel like antihero is scummier than joystick and shotty?

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about a page behind, this game is second in line to update (tomorrow)..saw this though.

@CKD - Can you explain your vote? I have never been a fan of those who just vote without reason, seems like a lazy bandwagon jump to me to be honest.

what vote?...I am currently not voting anyone.

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this game is next to update.

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ok, putting down this self challenge...if I dont post an update post in this game tomorrow, feel free to lynch me...(posting in the games I have left to update)..I MUST UPDATE TOMORROW...I MUST UPDATE TOMORROW.

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Updating from about page 4..typing as I go.

With regards to Joystick's post about Shotty overreacting ("overreaction much" is the exact phrase Joystick uses I believe), I think that this could be a minor scum-tell. Joystick highlights Shotty's overreaction (which is often used as a scumtell) but doesn't explicitly say he finds it scummy. Joystick is drawing attention to Shotty's behaviour without getting his hands dirty. This is my view, which I believe is what Antihero is trying to highlight too. Its still early days though, and I wouldn't say my read of Joystick is scum just because of this post.

QTF

No I don't think it is scummy, just unneccessary. It's just a game

then why mention "overreatcion"?

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Blah blah blah, theory discussion about new players.
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I find it amusing how Shotty votes for andrew without reason in one post, then invites him to a game in the next, almost as thought he's making up for it :p
On a serious note thought, Shotty - do you not have anything more to add to discussion?

I like Bazz's posting thus far, this was my thought.

this game is next to update.

Huh?

behind on games...have some more active games that required me to focus on them, updating now...what part of that post was hard to understand?

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Ok, I am reading (thoroughly I thought)..everyone is talking about a scum slip, but I am unsure by whom and what post…can someone help me out.

do you know he is scum? cause I sure don't and I have seen andrew lynched day one for being scummy and he is town. If you guys want to lynch andrew have at it but personally he is just an easy target for scum to get away unsuspected.

What did he do in that game that was scummy(to get him lynched)?

I wouldn't take shotty's inactivity as that big of a shock. I did some further checking on him and he's in at least EIGHT FRICKIN GAMES currently. I think the best thing to do is ask the mod for a prod on him and move on.

this is why people "/out" of games he signs up for...

8 games, jesus....

hmmm, interesting..with the above post nameloc1986 seems to have defended both Shotty... and Andrew now.. the two most talked about people in the game currently.

is that what he did..hmmm, I didnt read it that way.

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Shotty’s post 180-183 are not helpful in the least.

Caught up, I don’t like shotty or joystick…

Shotty just because is play is so shitty…avoiding questions, votes with little to back him.

Joystick, makes a stance, gets slack for it, then changes positions completely?..WTF? now it seems like he is just throwing a large net out there and trying to get something to stick…

Vote Joystick…

Believe that is -1, please claim.

please no one hammer UNTIL the claim.

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that is not really a scum slip..I read that, but thought they were talking about something else.

unvote

for now (just in case)

who did you target last night and why?

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jason, I didnt think that he was defending shotty with that post....I was thinking sort of the samething...shotty is a horrible player and has apparently spread himself too thin in games to improve is game...at best, his play is a null tell...his actions (or inaction) speak louder than words.

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sry for triple post Zden and jason, why did neither of you ask who he targetted last night?

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fuck quad post..

follow up question, jason, you feel that Hop is scummy enough to leave him at -1 in the face of the claim?

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of all the people "to be targetted by mafia"..I would think he would be the last...but if you just won with him, i guess it makes sense.

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vote hop

, have no clue if andrew is lying or not, but no one countered..

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vote hop

, have no clue if andrew is lying or not, but no one countered..

If someone fake claimed your role on day 1, would you claim?

depends on the role....that particular one?..yes.

[curiouskarmadog]

funny how so many people are having discussions about bussing WAY before a flip....

I am more sure than ever that my vote is in the right place.

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Zden and anti, I would like an answer to this before the hammer.

when/if Hop flips town...what is your stance on my vote...

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also,

unvote

I dont want someone to hammer, before these two answer this question today.

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you do have a point about andrew, guess I am just paranoid..

under the radarish?..have you checked my current games to see if I have "under the radarish" in all games, or are you just spouting out shit? sooo, if Hop DOES flip town, does your answer means I am still scummy?...and that is based on something you havent followed up on?

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hop, if he is lying, then we know exactly who to lynch tomorrow....

and why exactly am I worth lynching tomorrow now?...you hadnt said shit about me, until others have thrown suspicion my way...I unvoted you after your claim, and only revoted you after andrew claimed (without a counter) and NOW I AM SCUM?..BULLSHIT! if you are town, get some points out there about why name and myself are worth lynching tomorrow....

fuck it,

vote Hop

.....dude is scummy

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also, anti, i just realized that you just replaced into another game that I was having issues posting in..

FoS Anti

...you should know that I have been busy without having to fact check much.

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valid points?...someone has claimed (without a counter) that you are lying!

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Bazz, the reason I asked those two about hop is because both are accusing me of bussing (I find this type of heat interesting, considering there has been a flip yet)..I asked them what their position on me would be when/if hop flipped town because i wanted to see if they would still say I was scummy...

if hop DOES flip town, pretty sure at this point shotty is scum....

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also, anti, i just realized that you just replaced into another game that I was having issues posting in..

FoS Anti

...you should know that I have been busy without having to fact check much.

The number of posts isn't whats bothering me. It's that I don't see much content to them.

ok did you see more content in the other game around the same time?

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there is no reason for both watchers (assuming that we do have 2 watchers left) to watch andrew...i dont like where this conversation is going..lets not direct the watchers..if scum think that the watchers are going to exclusively watch andrew..they are free to kill whoever they want without worry....let them worry about who to kill....if Hop does flip a fucking watcher, then no need to waste your time watching andrew.

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empking is scum becos joystick wants to replace him

how do you know joysticks wants to replace him? EDIT, nevermind, emp is cleared, so your thoughts on this now?

Name is “cleared” claiming hider, who hid behind empking who is also cleared…Andrew is “cleared” being an uncountered cop.

if not, this is the plan. tonight, nameloc hide behind me 2 watchers both watch me

this is not a good plan and is assuming a lot.

I agree with Empking (the only fucking time you will ever hear me say this)…the watchers should claim and (andrew’s) vanillas should be lynched..

Right now we have 10 players left…

Emp (“hid behind”), Andrew (not countered cop), and name (not countered hider) are semi cleared…

That leaves 7, assuming that the 2 watchers are not Emp if they claim, that will leave 5 vanilla (also assuming that scum will out fake claim)…

If we kill a “vanilla” every night…we win…..

Look there's a good chance that the watchers know each other already. I say we just go through the day like normal and we try and lynch someone we think is scum.

this is a good point too....ok, scratch the first...I think the watchers should claim if we get ready to lynch someone and that person claims watcher.

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That being said,

Vote Antihero.

1.) tried to derail the hop wagon yesterday with….saying that Andrew claimed he was lying (which I don’t recall seeing). Name called him out on this and he quickly changed his vote back. But even before that, he was trying to discredit Andrew (257) saying that “vanilla” is against what the mod said. This was well before he “thought Andrew admitted to lying”.

2.) misrepresented me in the game…”you are playing under the radar” when indeed I was busy (RL) and couldn’t post….he should have known this because I had to do the exact samething in another game we share…OORR, he could have easily checked my past posts to see if I was active in other games…he chose to push my lynch (based on no scum hunting at all) over the hop lynch.

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active lurking HOW?...and you were countering the Hop wagon and Andrew's claim well before you "thought" he was lying..dont backtrack.

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Andrew, you completely misled me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CKD

shotty, what exactly are these obv reasons? And why did you pick Bazz? And why are you giving scumpoints to a confirmed town?

OMGUS vote me, then completely talk about other people in the post, so no one can tell.

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going to update tomorrow....just by skimming I see that the Anti wagon is being countered.....I dont understand this AT ALL....he is scummy, interested to read what has happened to shadow this.

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ok caught up,

I dont understand the jason case...can someone explain it to me...and why is he not posting right now?

also ANTI IS SCUM.....he immeidately started to discredit the claimed cop...he countered the wagon...the came up with the "andrew is lying"....these are scummy plays, completely lost as to why some of you are not seeing this....though I imagine your scum buddy is trying to spin the wagon away from you.

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it was two different actions, not the same action. (one discredit, one "he admitted to lying")

Andrew claimed, there was no counter claimed, yet he tried to discredit the claim on scum

go back and reread the exchange for yourself.

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when someone claims, i dont immediately go to the "I dont believe it"....I wait for everyone to check in to see if there is a counter....Anti didnt wait, he immediately went the discredit route...that in itself was scummy, but combined with the fact that Andrew was claiming AND calling hop a liar (why would scum do that Day 1?), didnt give Anti pause???...bullshit..

I think it was a scummy act.

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No, it wasn't immediate. It was after the whole "OMG, shotty is SCUMZZZ SLIPPED!" shenanigans. Also, please tell me where I said I thought andrew was scum.

Bullshit does indeed describe your case.

OMG, this guy is screaming scum.....more misrepresenting

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Updating about two pages, typing as I go.

@Everyone: Who should I hide behind? Any other suggestions?

on the fence here on if you should tell us or not...if we know scum would be able to manipulate the result...if we dont know and you die, we lose that information...you could always say you are going to hide between 1 of 2 people (the two you most likely suspect as scum).....or one person who you think is scum and one person who is probably town (one of the claimed) and decide last second which you want to do so scum can not form a plan...right now, as town, we got the numbers...you are almost more valueable alive than dead, that being said, if you died in a way that exposed scum..that would be a good trade off...especially if Anti flips scum.

If I die and CKD survives, then CKD is scum and lynch him.

I am fine with this...only downside, is now I got a target on my fucking back tonight...but that is ok, with two watchers out there. Again good trade off. If we can get scum.

and nameloc, it is worthless for a watcher to watch someone else, because scum is surely not going to kill an unconfirmed person.

not a true statement...if I wasnt sure you were town, I would think you were scum. If the target (in this case me)..is targetted by a watcher and the hider...it might help protect both the hider and me. that will confirm me...if scum decides to get a two for one (ie kill me)..the watcher will be able to tell who killed us.

But we also want the watchers to catch scum in the act. If we get the to watch particular people, then were steering the scum to kill "unwatched" players without risk of being watched. My method allows the "confirmed" people to be safe while still having a random chance at catching scum. If you have better plan, please share.

this.

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ckd, are u even reading the thread? nameloc said he w ould hide behind shotty now = =

i said I was typing as reading...but the main issue still remains.

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watcher and a hider gone?...exact fucking reason why I thought the hider shouldnt state where he was going...hopefully the other watcher followed suit and we watched ourselves another scum....

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going to reread while waiting for everyone to check in?

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not sure why there was a "?" at the end of that sentence.

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oh wow, not sure why scum would do that....but i will take it (I still win with town if dead).

go town.

at least you know who to lynch tomorrow.

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you guys should have let everyone check in before hammer.....it is also obvious now, who the other watcher is.....

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andrew is the cop, he is trying to cover for who he thinks is the watcher...but he is wrong..but dont take my word for it...wait for the flip.

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jason i am really pissed you didnt follow the play yesterday..

and I cant believe you fell for andrew's post...I kept reading the thread going...oh no one is going to believe that....ugh....

good game town, we really dropped the ball.

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and hop, you were super scummy, if I was town I would have been all over you sooner.

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the whole reason I made the hit (that I knew was going to be watched) was so you(jason) would come out before the watcher claim and attack the shit out of me....disappointed how that played out.

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we had bad luck and I should have went with my gut Night 1...I wanted to off Empking.....but decided after the chat with jason to hit name....ugh....im a fucking SORE loser..I wish I didnt get busy with RL at the start of the game..

also there was some discussion that Hop and sotty are the same people(in the QT with the mod)...I hope to god that isnt true.

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no, I needed you to come out BEFORE the watcher claimed to watch me..that was the plan...if you werent going to do that, I would have killed someone else....

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well i am a little pissed...yeah I am sore. you were suppose to do something...when you came on, you STILL didnt attack me with a case like we discussed.

Right now, I'm heavily leaning towards Jason being scum. Not only did I have a scum read on him earlier in the game, he was also highly reluctant to vote CKD yesterday.

you should have came down hard on me, that was why I killed someone I KNEW WAS GOING TO BE WATCHED, to buy you town cred. If you were going to waffle, I would have killed someone else or have you killd....I even asked you twice in the QT if you felt like you could handle it. the only reason the "watchers got us" was because we let them.

then, I am shocked you fell for andrew's bit yesterday....it was obvious the gambit he was pulling to draw a kill....his claim didnt even make since when you thought it out....I except my blame (i had a poor day 1), but I think you should except yours too.

the game fustrated me because we could have had a better showing....we were dominated.

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well since it fooled someone at least..andrew deserves props....