A Clash of Kings - A Divided Kingdom

[Benmage]

Melisandre was a fake claim from Stannis's whole crew...Onion Knight could be a fake one too.

[Benmage]

Anyway, I am Ser Davos Seaworth, Innocent Aligned. I'm an ONION KNIGHT. I have no idea what that is or why it's capitalized.

Hello modkill

[Benmage]

Anyway, I am Ser Davos Seaworth, Innocent Aligned. I'm an ONION KNIGHT. I have no idea what that is or why it's capitalized.

Hello modkill

I don't understand why that would be a modkill. I'm paraphrasing my PM.

Talking about how its capitalized, seems like a direct quote. If I'm mistaken sure. But than again we were warned several times about quoting pms too much.

[Benmage]

FoS Benmage

[Benmage]

FoS Benmage

no town reason to suggest modkill in thread. zilch, nada, zero.

Is there town motive to do so outside the thread?

[Benmage]

And I was rollin at the FoS, as if you really question my alignment.

[Benmage]

CSL is not todays lynch. He can be vig'd.

[Benmage]

I wouldn't say that it is the worst wagon of all time.

As for Rifka, I don't think today is her day. Tomorrow, maybe.

[Benmage]

Right I see less and less a reason to drag this day out. Could I maybe iso someone else prior to deadline...yeah....

But just to review:
Locke do your thing.
SSBF vig CSL/Vezo (Assuming cow flips town)
Potential Doctor, protect Locke
Potential Watcher, watch Locke and or cow (assuming cow flips town)

Thor tomorrow kill who SSBF didn't kill, assuming Locke doesn't have further juicy info.

[Benmage]

Can someone point me to the Rifka case? I do not remember seeing it.

I wouldn't mind this....bulleted?

[Benmage]

See I see the Unsight Lynch as the next necessary step. Rifka may yet hang, but not today.

[Benmage]

This is because you think the visible connections from Unsight are more exploitable for info then the connections from Rifka?

At this point we can just roll with that'll be an easier Lynch, as you've stated they are both equally scummy, and for all the people I disliked on the wagon there were also some I disliked off it.

[Benmage]

Seriously a Rifka's Lynch doesn't even sound as tempting as an Axelrod lynch, but the deadline is hours away hang Unsight already and lets move on.

[Benmage]

Benmage who is pretty close to clear IIRC.

I'm clearly missing something, as I don't remember this.

Have you been following my game play this game?

[Benmage]

and oh my god so many posts

Yep. Definitely town.

I do like this post of Benmage's though:

Pfftb than you don't know me well enough. Noones openly as dick as I am..Not even scum me is as dick as town me. Because scum me needs to watch to avoid some eggshells, town me...not so much.

That certainly has the ring of truth to it....

Don't like what? How town I am... If I miraculously live through tonight cause of your doubts etc I will forever be grateful.

[Benmage]

Only deadline is 3 1/2 hours away....

[Benmage]

Oh shit nvm its EST 6:30 not post time..so ya 2 1/2...why we waiting lets get this through.

[Benmage]

Orange, something most enjoyed. Lemon, least liked. Lightbulb, something learned.

Orange: the events
Lemon: the failure to follow ptw
Lightbulb: Vi's will continue to surprise me (looking at the quickhammer)

All in all I totally enjoyed this game. Probably would've been my favorite if not for the abysmal ending.

The balance was fine IMO gotta look at SKs role to be sure.

Again game = huge orange. I look forward to next game.

I am disappointed in the players of MoI and ML but I wont seek site punishment. I disagree with the mod view but ill leave it to their discretion ,I certainly wouldn't feel remorse tho if something was done.

[Benmage]

Mafia is a game of lying when scum....you willfully chose to tie instead of fullwin by backstabbing MoI. Everything leading up to that point is irrelevant.

[Benmage]

I am not bitter about a single loss. Even after cow and Mina dropped the ball this would've been my al time favorite game..I made this clear in the dead qt. You can believe what you will but I don't think you PTW and therefore damaged the integrity of Mafia. Nor do I think I am alone because plenty people voiced that they would've gone for the full win.

[Benmage]

I agree with LMP noone will fault you for trying and playing bad but you were so lackadaisical about this game it is depressing the bad game is a cop out

[Benmage]

Mafia is a game of lying when scum....you willfully chose to tie instead of fullwin by backstabbing MoI. Everything leading up to that point is irrelevant.

Since when is lying mandatory?

Don't be so fucking dimwitted with me. Your better than that. You know scum are to decieve. Otherwise everygame town would ask simple yes, or no whose scum and whose not..and scum would say "oh ya i am scum"...riiight

What are you talking about 'everything leading up to that point'?

The game, in its entirety. (i.e. also the ending agreement) is meaningless at the single instance or point you sent in the no kill. You had the option to full win, and didn't take it.

Essentially what you're saying is that we both had to "backstab" in order to be PTW, which in fact leads to both of us losing.

If both of you followed PTW you both would've lost. Yes, this is correct.

That or, in order for one of us to win, one player would have to not PTW.

This is also correct.

Explain to me how you, in that situation, would have both MoI and us PTW and still have one of us achieve victory?

This is a foolish statement.

God can do anything. Can god make a rock so big he can't lift it.

You do everything you did. And than you backstab. You clearly could've had the full win because MoI also sent in a no kill. You appealed to one anothers emotion. You put your trust and faith in one another and found comfort in that. But at no point could you guarantee or be 100% certain that you weren't gonna be backstabbed. You took a leap of faith. To say otherwise would be ridiculous and we shouldn't continue this conversation.

You ended in a draw...you can call it a win if you like, we can choose to disagree there. Point is, YES you could've won. And Yes you could've lost. And you couldn't of been 100% certain you weren't going to fully lose, but you did choose not to fully win and therefore like it or not did not PTW.

It has nothing to do with the "integrity of mafia" and everything to do with being bitter about losing.

False.

[Benmage]

If both of you followed PTW you both would've lost. Yes, this is correct

Thus proving my point that you're being ridiculous. Playing to win means playing to win. Not playing to the idea of winning even though you know that equals losing.

Doesn't prove shit. You're two separate entities...stop equating yourselves as one. Clearly either of you could've betrayed the other and won.


Good, the SK was NK immune (probably should've been inv immune too) But If the hound is town, Rorge could be? Well balanced .

[Benmage]

I'm trying to think how I can be a compulsive vig in the next game. I think Lady Stoneheart for a Feast of Crows would work.

ASoS...hrmm...Ghost?

[Benmage]

ML, on your claim. While it did wonders to the people in game..it was mind bottling to watch form the side line. I like MoI can be referenced in Supernatural to see my opinion on it. I'd be LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH no questions asked. But even so...it was a lot to swallow.

A questionable role claim. Tracked to a person wound up dead. A requirement to have been rb'd the night before.

A lot of maybes. Without my bias lynch a tracked person to a dead body no questions asked, thats a lot of "ifs" to accept. Sometimes the simplest answer is right. Regardless kudos for skating by with those in game.

[Benmage]

@Benmage - I'm surprised you JKed me, I thought you (like me) were leaving the one shot thing vague in order to draw a NK.

Yeah, that was a misplay.

[Benmage]

Was I that dick this game? I thought I did alright. But yes, I can be a bit-- unpleasant at times. I don't handle stupidity/inexperience well. There's a reason I've never ICd.

[Benmage]

Hmm I don't think I'm too guilty of the xxxx is scum gogoog morons. I'm more heres why xxxx is scum. What you don't see the logic dumbass, moron, etc etc

[Benmage]

I'm pissed I didn't make the kingsguard.

[Benmage]

I'm pissed I didn't make the kingsguard.

Sorry Benmage, IIRC this was my first experience with you, and your argument with Rifka (again, IIRC) made me unsure about you. I was still new, and your aggressiveness put me off a bit.

You owe me a neighbor/masonizing

[Benmage]

Anybody want to jump into a mini normal I'm running, it has such stars as Benmage and LynchMePls. Day 2 is almost over.

Anybody want to jump into a mini normal I'm running, it has such stars as Benmage and LynchMePls. Day 2 is almost over.

Anybody want to jump into a mini normal I'm running, it has such stars as Benmage and LynchMePls. Day 2 is almost over.

Anybody want to jump into a mini normal I'm running, it has such stars as Benmage and LynchMePls. Day 2 is almost over.

[Benmage]

Benmage for some reason I read all of your posts with a British accent... no clue why.

Hmmmm

[Benmage]

Jaime and brienne neighbors...gl on alignment

Brotherhood without banners....

Freys, lannisters, tyrells all one large scum team?

Maybe if all the starks (innocent aligned are killed) A red wedding event is triggered?

John Snow becoming the new Lord Commander be an event?

[Benmage]

i just think it'd be too complicated to incorporate the east at this point.