(Sotty posting)
Okay let me break it down for you. Vi has done a lot to distract from how this all actually went down. She has tried to make this into a mafia discussion situation over townie claims rather than actual scum hunting. I'm upset that VP has fallen for this too.
Order of events
At this point we were happy with this wagon if pissed at the claim. Equinox's vote was quick but we thought CKD was probable scum. Plus, if CKD was a townie his early claim hurt us, he needed to hang.
When the claim came, Zach said to me “suspect the first person to unvote” and I agreed. Unvoting a VT claim at this kind of a game is horrible play. I don't care what Vi has to say. It's bad.
We have established this is an “elite” player list several times. None of us are stupid even if we want to throw that name around now and then. The fact is Equinox put CKD at lynch -1. Site meta dictates, that if you don't want a claim or a lynch DON'T PUT SOMEONE AT LYNCH -1. I know this, Vi knows this, Equinox knows this.
Yet she unvotes for tone. It was too easy, she clearly wasn't committed to her vote. Why?
Equinox isn't silly. She was rolefishing. Power role? Nope? Okay... I'll back off. That's what it looks like.
Right now Zach is hot. He spends several posts ranting in the QT about CKD's claim and how freaking scummy Equinox is. I agree on all fronts. The big issue was, do we push though on the scummiest looking player (Equinox) or do we lynch CKD who claimed townie?
Now, I'm not the setup expert (geek) here like some of you are but Zach starting quoting math at me, something like if CKD's claim is true and he isn't lynched the power roles only have a 33% chance of doing some good. I'll let him come in her and set the math right once he wakes up. But basically it is bad.
The only thing I regret right now is not posting and demanding that Equinox revotes CKD ASAP with an explanation of why. If we had done that things might be a little more clear. I'll just say emotions got the better of us.
This was Zach's idea. We were at odds surrounding Vi. Zach wasn't really liking her suggestion of the voting bloc and I thought she was looking townie enough. My argument was we can go along with her for now and if she starts being scummy, change our minds.
Anyway, we wait. Still stewing over the claim and unvote ordeal. VP had already said much of what we wanted to say. In fact he said it such away we both at near the same time proclaimed him town. His confusion, weariness and general posting since all this has happened has all but convinced me of that. We basically disagree with everything Vi posts in 97. Her attempt to dirty VP is ridiculous and she proclaims Equinox town
Vi knows the set up. She knows how this works and yet no bad words for Equinox at all in her first reaction post.
After a lot of thinking we decide to join VP on Equinox. It wasn't an easy choice but here are the main bullet point reasons
-Equinox's rolefishing
-CKD's propensity to do this kinda thing as town
-Our belief that VP is town.
After post 97 we were both on the Vi is scum theory. VP also questions her about what she said and Vi claims not to have read.
Vi Post 102 wrote:I didn't read anything about Equinox L-1ing ckd and demanding a claim (in fact Equinox seemed dismally surprised at the claim). I skimmed like that whole page and posted in five minutes, and don't have the time NOW to reread (maybe; I have to see if I need to leave for school now or not). So etc.
^Weak sauce. This allows her to distance herself slightly and retool after we proclaimed her scummy and VP was looking wearily in her direction.
Her follow up post in 104 is basically, omg everyone looks townie so I will vote a lurker! Please.
In our post 98 we laid out the whole not unvoting a VT and Vi skims over than for now, deciding to generally address it rather than all out attack us. It feels like she is trying to pacify us by not “exploding” on us.
This is important because of what happens next.
This doesn't make Vi happy. She goes from not agreeing with us but we are still townie, to voting us. She asks us why we unvoted CKD despite us being VERY CLEAR in post 98 as to why. This was all information that was already out there and Vi chose to call us town anyway.
It wasn't until we made it abundantly clear that we were gunning for her as well did she decide to flip the script and pull the switch on us to make us look bad. If this was a geniune thought process, why not question it
right away?
Why wait? Why sit on it?
It's not townie motivation.
This wouldn't be so bad if she hadn't already called us town for stating these opinions. Nothing changed form us from when we reacted to CKD's claim and Equinox's unvote, yet Vi is coming for us.
Why the change of heart? Probably because we won't back down.
For some reason Vi is desperate for us to be voting CKD. Never mind the fact we have a bigger read on other people. She doesn't even attempt to take our scum hunting under consideration. The case on Equinox
isn't
this one point. Vi is trying to say it is.
In our eyes Equinox deflated the CKD wagon.
We explained why this was scummy and why we switched.
Vi continues to repeat this argument until it takes hold.
Either you believe our original post 98 or you don't. It's that simple. Vi seemed to believe it.
Vi decides to ignore our actual case on Equinox and instead does nothing but hammers on the CKD point. The easiest part of the argument to beat.
Okay this is turning out into a wall... I have more to say, conclusion coming up.