Mafia on Holy Orders (Game Over!)

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@Iecerint: Please point out the post(s) where the interaction you mention at the quoted post do happen.

I responded to that in these posts:

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Be careful. The % didn't reset and there are the caution bits.

NUCLEAR CAUTION was to get your attention. ~Vi

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Haylen appears to have suicided, and scum can almost certainly daytalk, so I think reading too much into what happened really locally is unwise (re: CKD implicitly arguing that he is cleared because Haylen is scum).

I didn't get a Neighborization in unf.

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It says Haylen "Offered a Shot." That's what it looks like to me.

The weird part is that they don't get EDIT: my mistake; I thought the day advanced by 1, but it apparently didn't.

My thought was that Haylen had some ability where she could die to bring the next day without resetting the timer that she used poorly, but it's unlikely if day didn't advance.

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I guess the implication might be "Haylen [was] offered a shot [by someone]," but it's really weird pragmatics to use language that way.

My interpretation was like HAYLEN SHOT HERSELF 2 HELP HER FRIENDS. LIKE KYLIE IN DOCTOR WHO.

Clarification would be nice if the ambiguity is unintentional.

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iecerint being town > ckd being town (due to neighborizer = masons if he is town)

This makes no sense at all...

I'd ape my PoV on this again but ye know.

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I asked Furc who he thought I should Neighborize next in our QT awhile ago, and he never answered. So I was waiting on that.

I've now sent in a tentative target (I can change it after first submitting it so long as it's before the day ends), so I won't be caught with no one targeted anymore.

@ CKD -- I get the same vibe as you from that, kinda, except that Furc is probably town via mothy IIRC.

vez should have presents for us now that we know he was scum.

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Reading vez in iso, the thing that stands out is that he has an extremely schizophrenic attitude toward Furco. Whether this is scum frustration at Furco being both extremely scummy and hard to lynch, or distancing/bussing made effective for that very reason, I'm not sure. I went back and forth as I read through. I'm leaning the former just because of how intense it was, but there are several moments where he seems to say that Furc is scum and then quickly unvote him or try to lynch someone else.

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Plum, which part of that post, if any, do you disagree with? Or are you considering that issue settled because of extraneous stuff like mothFurc? I posted about it because my test is done now, so I had time to skim vezo (short), and that was the main impression I got.

(Only other notes are his "town" list, which was Plum/Soc/Iec, which doesn't do me much good, and a SP->Furc thing that I think I interpreted to mean they couldn't all be scum together.)

I am way more nuanced with my reads as town than as scum. For example -- as scum I do something very similar to what pacman did a few pages ago re: CKD. The only exception is when no scum are under suspicion whatsoever (irrelevant in the current circumstance, because I've personally been under a degree of suspicion, so it wouldn't be in play if I were scum). [/self-meta]

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I read through Fate and zwet, and I can't figure out why they were killed. It looks like they mainly say nice things about scum and lead wagons on town.

The only player still alive that they really attack is Furc. Fate goes after pacman a little, but zwet defends him.

Probably just reputation and then looking town for the PR stuff were the reasons idk.

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I made a post, but it looks like it got lost. Whatever.

Having read pacman in iso, I think he's scum for his interactions with vez/haylen and mothrax. His reads on everyone else just follow town->town suspicions, all the way to the end of D4.

Guys, I might seem like tunneling, but that's it. Neither vezo nor mothrax need the noose yet (I see both them scummy, but not much; vezo has been lurking (inactive?) and wagon-hopping like hell, and I like Friend's (or who's?) case on mothrax). Furcolow has clearly earned it himself.

A typical (well, a particularly bad, but not unrepresentative) pacman post.

There is a 0% chance that pacman is scum with Furc.

Chrono is next.

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Ani looks extremely scummy, Chrono looks extremely townie.

@ whoever didn't understand the Chrono love...read him in iso...

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Well. Read page 1 in iso. Page 2 is a little iffy in that it includes this:

So plum is in control of three votes, provided They aren't aimed at a) Pacman, or b) Haylen (without good reason.)

<_<

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I've already said that the main reason I neighborized you was that I knew you would never be NK'd ever. It's true that I had a relative town read on you, which helped matters, BUT I didn't really have any very strong town reads at all at the time.

Part of the reason is that I hadn't really done rereads because I did meh on my last exam irl, so I had to focus a bit. But today was epic win, so today I felt motivated to do a bunch of isos, etc.

It's not WIFOM to look at NK analysis IMO. Well, I mean, it IS technically WIFOM, but that doesn't mean it isn't useful. 90% of the time I NK as scum because someone's making me uncomfortable. No one is making me uncomfortable the other 10% of the time.

At any rate, the result this time (especially in light of the pacman iso) was that I think they were killed for being difficult to lynch rather than anything else.

Incidentally, I would have been less suspicious of you if you didn't invite it so much in our QT.

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Yeah. I think you're unlikely to be NK'd as town for the same reason I mentioned in the Brave and the Beautiful.

I unvoted mothy to get him off of L-1 after a PR claim. That's pretty normative IMO. And CKD only had him unvoted for a few moments before following up with rhetoric that contributed to his lynch. So you have one thing that any idiot would do (null to alignment, and has nothing to do with what CKD did, because I did it independent of his action), and another thing that's offset by pro-town results.

Soc's assumption was that scum must have unvoted, but I think the confirmable PR claim makes it a less-than-fullproof heuristic.

CKD might be scum, but I don't think it's cut-and-dried, and I think pacman is the most obvious scum candidate from the isos I've done. Haven't done CKD yet, though.

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@ CKD:

1. Chrono's lampshades moth and vez getting smoke in his first real post. On checking again, neither was a top wagon at the time, so this isn't as good a sign as it would've otherwise been, though.

(Also, said checking reminded me that vezok pushed pacman a lot. Not really with rhetoric IIRC, though. Ew.)

2. Hammers mothy, indicates vezok as a good lynch candidate for the following day.

3. Some anti-town suggestion that we NL to see what'll happen, but I don't really see the scum motive in that, especially since there's daytalk.

4. L-1's vezok to the Soc-convincing softclaim. Then he gets all lurky in the aftermath. This is the sort of reaction I would expect from a player who feels like WTF IS UP after someone calls your scumread mostly confirmed town.

5. Pushes vez again the next day til after repHaylen's claim.

6. OK-to-lynch list (Soc, pacman, me) looks good.

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I think there are most likely 2 more scum, (plus a !!!!!scum), but I'm not sure.

We actually had a pretty good record early on, lynches notwithstanding. mothrax and vez were early consistent suspects.

But that's a good point.

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@ Furco -- my point in talking about NK analysis is that I did it, so I posted about it.

Now people that aren't sure whether I'm town have more tools to determine whether I'm town, and players who think I'm town (or that I wouldn't radically distort something like that) don't have to reinvent the wheel doing NK analysis.

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Having read mothrax, the probability that Furco is scum is 0%.

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Having also read Sebguer, CKD being scum would require all the scum to have been like HEY DUDES LET'S MISLYNCH FURCO IT'S GONNA BE AWESOME.

Which actually they have daytalk so that is not quite out of the question but you'd think at least one of them would do something different. <_<

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Having read CKD through page 3, I don't think he's scum.

Who were the players who thought Sebguer was scum early game? I remember some people saying it, even though Seb did nothing except call Furc scum for bad reasons.

Edit: Pages 4-7 are just him repeating his gut case on me over and over so ye know.

Next is VC analysis. I will channel my inner DGB.

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I can't get much out of VC analysis (I've just looked at the lynches). I probably end up looking the worst of the players who remain tbh.

The only thing that stands out is that the LL wagon would appear to be missing another scum, but the only possibility there is CKD, and I think pacman is much scummier on the basis of content.

EDIT: And SP on the basis of meta.

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EBWOP: (Only possibility other than me obvs. I'm on every lynch.)

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@ AGar -- A third explanation (other than Iecscum and Haylentracker) is that Furco was scum with Haylen; however, both flipped scum went after Furco reasonably aggressively, so I don't see that as too default, anyway. I don't blame you for coming to that conclusion. On the other hand, Haylen *DID* flip darkened, so she does appear to have had SOME ability, which may well have been tracker.

(EDIT: Also, I just noticed that we've had "Dark Demon" and "Shadow Demon" flips. Is that 2 separate scumteams? )

I'd point out that I personally wouldn't think up her weird MY INBOX WAS FULL excuse as I had no idea that that happened at that point and have only 300-some PMs in my inbox (I checked when she claimed hers was full to gauge how plausible it was), but I suppose there'd be at least one other scum, I think, so that doesn't necessarily establish anything.

@ AGar -- Since Vi has confirmed that "Offered a Shot" is a kill flavor (even if it makes people WASTE AWAY IN MARGARITAVILLE DO YOU GET IT IT IS A CUTE PUN I JUST GOT IT LOLIRL), I think a vig probably targeted her. It's probably the ability given out D4, if we stick with one ability per day (Soc -> vezo -> Haylen).

@ Plum -- It's unlimited AFAIK. I've targeted another player and should neighborize with them provided I don't target the same player as scum. So that'll re: confirm my ability unless I'm really unlucky.

@ pacman -- Yeah, I just had an exam today, so I've fallen behind in all my games. Today was a big catch-up where I focused mainly on this game.

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You're not lovers with me. You won't die if I'm killed.

I would love to lynch SP. Thank you.

Vote: Sociopath

L-2

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That is mainly it I think.

Also I think he is scum using the power of playing with SPscum over and over.

Also PoE from my PoV.

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Pacman, several players have made cases on you. Claiming that there is no case on you is just not true.

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The gist of the posts I made is a series of isos where I decide that you are scum.

I never finished SP, though.

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Is that VC correct? Sociopath is Hard-To-Lynch and/or one of us has no vote?

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I lean SP slightly, but I'll hammer pacman. He's definitely my second. Are we ready for it, or are we wanting to watch him temporize a bit?

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DON'T TEMPORIZE.
IT'S ILL-ADVISED
TO MOISTURIZE.

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It's a song that has the word "temporize."

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Fine with me. I'm waiting on SP.

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UWAAAA O_O

Well...still waiting on SP...

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I am waiting to hear from my goddess.

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I hadn't seen your explanation at the time for what it was.

Having read it, I am convinced that SP is scum.

Still waiting for the goddess to say if she wants me to claim my action, or anyone else.

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OK.

I did not successfully Neighbor someone last night. I targeted AGar, because I thought Plum would be the NK target. I received a message that I did not Neighborize successfully.

My guess is RBer, but the post does not clarify.

I'd like to clarify ONE point with Vi about it before the day ends, now that I look at the PM again.

Also: 100% SOCSCUM IN IEC GAMES CONTINUES.

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OK. I've confirmed that the action failure is not attributable to formatting errors on my part. I'd put something slightly different behind the ACTION COLON this time to indicate that I might change my target later on in the day (I can change it at any time during the day and it doesn't happen until night), so I wanted to make sure that that wasn't the basis of the action failure.

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And I've sent in my action now so I'm ready whenever.

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Bolding is also nothing?

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Yeah...I think I've mentally cleared everyone else except CKD from being scum. And I even significantly doubted CKD was scum before and after that. I COULD see SP pulling a clear-my-partner gambit, but I'd say it's hypothetically (fairly) won him the game under the circumstances; it's not in play.

But really, I'd lynch me under these circumstances if I were anyone else, and there's no way I'm surviving 3-way lylo, so ima be Jesus On The Cross if it gets to be too awful.

I never actually read SP before, so there's that. He tends to fake-bus a scumfriend D1 in smaller games, but it's less reliable in larger games, and I think he played to his large game scum meta in general this game; he reminded me of when we were scum together in Plum's Lay of Leithian mafia, which is why I thought he was scum back on D4-D5. So it might not be reliable but idk.

EDIT: Yeah, Furc hasn't posted in the QT, either. I asked him about your claim and the target reveal there awhile ago.

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What have I done that was sketchy in our thread?

You just said that you trusted me based on things there in-game a short time ago IIRC.

Plum didn't suicide. She's the vig who killed Haylen. She killed SP, but SP was a PGO, so she died.

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1. It's not the same as suiciding. She didn't know SP was a PGO. This is relevant because you either have not read the thread carefully or are cultivating that appearance.

2. That is not what I was asking you, but my wording was ambiguous, to be fair. I was asking you whether you thought I should reveal my Neighborization target in-thread given CKD's statement that no further reveals were necessary. Seeing how you respond to questions like this is a way to help me continue judging your alignment.

3. And I actually have more cause to be worried about giving you information if I'm town, anyway. If I'm scum, I already know what I can make up and tell you. If I'm town, I don't want to tell you who my target is, because I might be able to claim information for them, etc.

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1. That is not what the word suicide means. This is a minor point and I dunno why you're continuing to go on about it. It's "arguing semantics" in the sense that it's arguing what words mean, but I've already said why that's relevant here.

2. I have no idea what you're talking about here. The sequence of events was a) Haylen claims I didn't target anyone b) I CC and say that I targeted someone who can confirm it in-thread c) she reneges and says that I targeted you d) I confirm it.

Also, I'd forgotten about it, but this means that Haylen made a lucky guess, you are scum, or the last scum is a Tracker-Roleblocker (or the Roleblocker is a town player still alive).

3. That makes no sense.

1. At no point do I cast doubt on CKD's claim. I don't see how you could get that out of it, either. I ask you what you think about it in the same post as I ask if I should reveal my target. I posted that before I recognized that the relevant CKD post was already decoded, though, IIRC. You should be able to check timestamps.

2. Already answered above.

3. I've stated in-thread and out-of-thread a gillion times why I thought Soc was wrong about that. To resummarize briefly -- my unvote was independent of CKD's (and in the context of getting a claimed Tracker off of L-1), and CKD's only lasted a second before he pushed mothrax to lynch. Soc's point there was "scum want to unvote their scumfriend, so one of the unvoters was probably scum," but the circumstances of the unvote mean that it doesn't apply here.

It is likely that CKD is town. This has been my bias about his slot since just after he replaced in; I only wavered a little when he pushed me D4 without a case. (This is true at the same time that it's true that I've been pretty much certain that all the remaining characters were town, though.) Anyway, PlumDocCKD thing continues that pattern.

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1. Who's dwelling?

2. No, that's not true. There are a number of other possible explanations that I've listed. Also, why weren't you all over this with AGar yesterday if this has always been so clear to you?

3. No. Just no. Also, since when is it lylo?

1. Actually, I did doubt it (privately) for a moment (as town). SP is the kind of player who will manufacture circumstances like that. But I don't think it's in play here. You're correct (implicitly) that me asking you for your feelings about CKD's claim is null, though that's not how you had it just moments ago.

2. Um, no, I already answered it:

This means that Haylen made a lucky guess, you [Furc] are scum, or the last scum is a Tracker-Roleblocker (or the Roleblocker is a town player still alive).

3. I disagree with your face. See? I can evaluate things without reasoning, too.

here's how it makes sense: I unvoted mothrax to get a claimed Tracker off of L-1, CKD started to follow suit, but then recognized something off about his claim and immediately rhetoric-switched that. If not for this rhetoric-switch (not to mention hypothetically voting a wagon'd scumfriend with a vote proxy'd), I could agree with Soc's dichotomy, but not with it. Soc's initial perception of a town-scum dichotomy here was a false dichotomy. He even accepted this when I argued that CKD was probably town for other reasons when CKD was among his top suspects after mothy's death.

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(EBWOP: Also, "dwelling on the past" is how you catch scum.)

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Yeah, lynching me today is OK. I'd do it if I were you guys. If we mislynch someone else, we're 100% lynching me tomorrow, pretty much, unless there's a secret Cop or tracker. So lynching me first slightly increases the chance that the one lynch that isn't wasted on my mislynch will lynch scum.

One thing to remember is that you'll know there's a roleblocker, unless AGar just can't be Neighborized for some reason or a town player who thought I was scum roleblocked me (in which case, please claim it so that you can clear me tonight mebe).

I'd advise to take care, though, since Furc's interactions with the scum don't make him look like scum (idk about with SP, though).

CKD, when'd you have a gut read on SP? You were calling me scum all D4 when I said I had a metascum read on SP.

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@ whichever light thinks 2114 is scummy --

OK.

I did not successfully Neighbor someone last night. I targeted AGar, because I thought Plum would be the NK target. I received a message that I did not Neighborize successfully.

My guess is RBer, but the post does not clarify.

I'd like to clarify ONE point with Vi about it before the day ends, now that I look at the PM again.

Also: 100% SOCSCUM IN IEC GAMES CONTINUES.

SP is almost certainly the scum who tried to kill Plum N5. Otherwise, he wouldn't have fakeclaimed a doc protect on Plum. Also, his ability (PGO) was passive. They probably had the player with an active ability (RB) use that ability. (This applies even if you think I wasn't roleblocked, one way or the other, and are working with Plum's theory that scum has a Tracker.)

Hence, hypothetically lying about the above would not make sense, because it's already demonstrated that I DO have a Neighborization ability, and I wouldn't have needed to cover up the kill.

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Having just read SP, I see it as consistent with an SP-Furc scumteam. He routinely lampshades weird things that Furc does without ever pushing it seriously. He votes him once, but not for long. He does empty early-game distancing with him that doesn't really go anywhere. This is all consistent with mini-version SPscum behavior.

His behavior toward me is NOT typical of SP behavior, either in minis or in large games. His push on me D4 was too significant. Compare SP-Iec scumfriends in Plum's large Lay of Leithian game, where he joins a wagon on me early D3 or so, but does absolutely nothing to support it with rhetoric.

It also contextualizes several of Furco's statements about vez ("I can guarantee a scum flip from vez").

I unfortunately am no longer in a position to Jesus-On-The-Cross here.

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Vote: Furcolow

I'm not quite ready for this, though.

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Remind me why Furc is town, or more likely town than Chrono? It should be clear that it's most likely between me and Furc, unless Chrono or you is a Tracker-RBer (or there are already half-scum, which...).

It's true that some of the scum interactions with Furc make him look town, but something to consider is that Furc is viewed the way zwet used to be viewed on this site. You should expect somewhat higher levels of bussing than is typical.

(The same's true of vezok, too.)

I'd encourage you to read SP's iso.

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Literally half of SP's posts are about Furco, and another quarter or so are about me. If you're trying to evaluate Furco and me, I would argue that SP's iso is quite informative.

I already gave my take on SP's iso here.

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You're right. It's just 8. I posted without looking back again. I remembered being struck by how many there were. Still more than about other living players.

The only living player he discusses in any detail other than Furc is me when he starts taunting me for looking like I'll be lynched after I tried to start a wagon on him D4.

It's not the FACT that he discusses Furco that makes him scum. It's HOW he discusses Furco. Namely, he lampshades his errors without pushing them. He did the same thing with vezok.

I'll admit that it's slightly odd that he'd do this on both vezok AND Furco, but I suppose he had two VIs as teammates.

I still have to look back at Chrono now that we have the Pacman/CKD flips, though. At the time I was reading it, I was thinking that one of those (leaning pacman for sure) was SP's scumfriend, so I may get a different vibe when I reread.

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Claiming works here.

Something tells me... CKD-Watcher

And that is good.

At most there are two scum left. Hopefully just one. And CKD can reduce that count by one.

This is a bad post from Chrono, but not a scummy one, since scum almost certainly have daytalk.

Everything else is fine, if not as glowing as before. He does have a kinda schizo view of pacman, but he goes AGAINST the lynch when the counter was (IIRC) SP, so that's good.

Would lean Furco over him.

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Reread ani. Well...I doubt Chrono and Furco are the last two scum, at least (if it were the case that a !!!!!! has a free kill to make or something that could keep us from auto-losing IF two scum remain). Also, I remembered ani being scummy and Chrono being townie, but I didn't get that vibe this readthrough.

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Just because you say that over and over doesn't make it any more correct. I've responded to that over and over. Soc even partially redacted it (his wording is a little unclear) while he was still in the game, as I've ALREADY STATED OVER AND OVER. You keep ignoring how the circumstances are nuanced and appeal to Dearly Departed Lord Soc over and over.

Hell, Soc also said that vezok was basically confirmed town, which is why vezok/Haylen survived for so long, and he was wrong.

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K I DID.

SPOILERS: BASICALLY I THINK IT'S YOU BUT I HAVEN'T REREAD AGAR YET.

I THINK IT PROBABLY ISN'T CHRONO.

IF THERE'S WARPED 2-SCUM SHIT GOING AROUND IT ISN'T FURCO-CHRONO.

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Maybe. That is gillions of scum, though.

One possibility is that there were two scum factions. They flipped as "Dark Demons" and "Shadow Demons."

Or maybe scum only knew some of their scumfriends (i.e. the fellow "Dark" ones, ala WoT mafia, even though that's not Vi), with one !!!!!!! to rule them all? That would justify having so many scum AND some weird interactions when we analyze things.

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YOU ARE A HIGH-MAINTENANCE

LOVER

NEIGHBOR.

ALSO I AM NOT DUMB SO THERE.

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Unvote

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EDIT: I AM LOOKING ELSEWHERE.

It is true that you get town points for that thing.

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The Dark/Shadow difference has been obvious to anyone who's been paying attention. The question was whether it indicated PR receipt or was a red herring.

But I don't blame you for coming to that conclusion, or pushing it, regardless of your alignment. Like I said before CKD was killed -- killing me is definitely the obvious thing. I just can't acquiesce to it anymore because we can't afford it with 4 rather than 5.

And I have no real argument re: vezok. I don't remember my interactions with that slot, really, but I definitely had other suspects most of the game, many of whom ended up being town (Beefster/M=W being a big one).

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I have no recollection of us buddying up, no.

My recollection of D4 is that I wanted to lynch SP all day and everyone voted me for it.

I eventually lynched M=W because the alternate was self-lynch.

I was hesitant to lynch vezok/Haylen because of Soc's "she's almost certainly not scum" thing.

I do remember Haylen BCing my name, yeah. I can also accept that Haylen being my scumfriend would be one reason she might have known I targeted you. (I could argue that the fact that she screwed up at first makes it more likely that I'm not her scumfriend, because I sure as hell wouldn't let a scumfriend mess up that I'd claimed Neighborizer, but you'd think her ACTUAL SCUMFRIEND would be around to keep her from screwing up, too, which is part of why I believed her OMG I MESSED UP CUZ I HAVE 100000 PMS YOU GOT FURC RITE thing.)

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Yeah, that's what I mean. That argument in general isn't very plausible, because we know that she WAS scum. So, either the whole thing was an intentional gambit, which is a stretch but I mean it takes EXTREME scumfriend fail for that to happen, or there was actual scumfriend fail.

We could probably see if any of us generally weren't online in the bit before that via Search to see if someone was lurking or off-site during that time.

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Yeah, true enough, my bad. So as far as I'm concerned from your PoV, it's just a matter of whether I told her to fuck up and then come up with a crazy story.

Also, you called me dumb just a few posts ago.

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Well, it's true that it's null that I'M her scumfriend, but it's still useful for me in sorting you three out.

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And for you if you entertain someone who isn't me.

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If I am Haylen's scumfriend, who was online is null because I would for sure have already told her.

If Haylen's scumfriend is someone else, who was online is not null, because whoever the Tracker was who got her the info (ala Plum's Tracker hypothesis that she got light for) would have to be present to tell her what happened.

BREAKTHROUGH: Maybe whoever it was was already a Tracker-Roleblocker at that point and Haylen thought he was Roleblocking me? Like, he said he was targeting me, and Haylen got confused because she assumed he meant RB, but then was wrong, but then whoever showed up and informed her of who I'd targetted.

Two abilities on one dude seems dumb, but it's possible if !!!!!!!! has to decide who to give abilities to, and vezok/Haylen looked like she wouldn't last as long as the other scumfriend. Tracker is relatively useless, anyway.

They could also just be on separate players if there are 2 scum still alive, but that wouldn't be another way to explain Haylen's weirdness.

I'm positing RBer because someone stopped me from Neighborizing AGar, and it wasn't SP.

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Yeah, that's the same thing you and I have been talking about all this page.

If you think it's at all possible that Chrono is scum, you should unvote, because he will win as soon as he comes to the thread.

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It implies that someone thinks that AGar is making good analysis. I would agree -- that IS default -- but it's not correct this time, because I know my alignment. The stuff on this page goes into why something else might be going on.

I'm doing the best I can with a really bad situation.

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I bet the Darkened/Shadowed things give access to the other QT, since it's the same color as SP's PGO ability.

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Well, we were kinda right, then. I assumed scum couldn't do something like that with direct communication if town could.

I'm slightly annoyed that I didn't get at least a little help on SP D4, or some retro-stuff from that after he flipped, though I suppose it's hard to evaluate how sincere I was since the wagon didn't go anywhere.

I didn't want to lynch M=W, either, but Soc claimed vez near-confirmed town, so I was wary about lynching Haylen. Which again made me look bad. IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD LYNCHED SOC WITH ME.

I'm happy I was right about Soc being wrong about CKD, at least.

And yeah, 100% Socscum in Iec games continues. That's like 8/0 or something.

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*sottyrulez issues Holy Order "Judgment" on curiouskarmadog (the now-outed Doc) as of post 2129, and AGar changes his kill to Furcolow as of post 2136. (62/2).
*curiouskarmadog eats a ZeusBolt at the end of that day.

The Seraphs killed CKD? After he caught SP? I don't get it...?

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Also, why'd you post the "don't discuss endgame until I say you can" bit?

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IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD LYNCHED

SOC

SP WITH ME.

fix'd.

yay 4 AGar. <3

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Oh. It just made it sound like the game state had become "scum-win if they don't think about things too carefully." Like 2/2, but town might grant Vig to someone, or something.

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How could Tar have been killed?

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How was CKD confirmed town way back when? I mean I thought he was town, but several players (SPscum and Furc, I think) kept repeating Soc's mantra on us over and over. <_<

And yeah, I wouldn't have thought 2 scum was at all plausible except for how I interpreted Vi's comment. I thought she was like ALERT: PLZ DON'T START GLOATING YET, YE SCUM.

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I'm OK with sharing the Furc-Iec QT.

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Was Haylen's OMG MY PM BOX WAS FULL thing all planned? O_O

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@ CKD -- This is actually the first game I've ever done that. I remember getting REALLY STRONG townvibes from you right after you replaced in. I coupled that with some nonsensical anti-Sebguer rhetoric early game (people seemed to think he was scum even though he did almost nothing), I was pretty confident in your role (that, or you were scum with some people who were failing at distancing, but that gave me something I could evaluate best by pushing you to center stage, anyway). And I wasn't confident in other players' roles. So I decided to try it, since I'd seen other players do it to good effect in games where I was scum; everyone proxying to SpyreX, for example, is unnerving.

My blood boils when SP beats me and he's scum and I knew he was scum, but meh. I wonder what I could've done to actually get a wagon going on him D4...Glorky can always do it...

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Ooh, Gamma looks good in the Seraph QT, except for thinking I'm scum, which I can't really blame him for.

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And yeah, I wanted to pick a name that would be unique at any forum I joined, so I named myself after the Latin 3rd person plural future perfect verb for "to throw" when I was little. I still use it some.

Why people think my name is about cutting up ice cubes is beyond me. O_o

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You know what I just realized? mothy claimed a null track on AGar.

...

^^;

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I am a silly goose.

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Yeah. Here's our QT, if you're curious about it:

Furc-Iec QT.

The plot is that I am a battered woman.