/in-vitational Game 8 - Nito City (over) after 1015

[jasonT1981]

Hey guys, catching up ASAP.. expect posts tomorrow afternoon (UK time) ita a bit to late to do a full read through tonight. 2.30am

So, I will

unvote:Zajnet

for now until I can form my own opinions.

[jasonT1981]

First off.... Sottys RVS vote on Zach is no surprise to me.

Not to sure if I like Magna post 18 with his RVS vote on Zajnet, seems it is not actually as Random and more due to past issues. Interesting.

Magna in post 19 completly misreps Zaj about not voting...

not sure if I like Jacks response to questioning about astricks in his IAMKD vote... says not to role fish. I don't understand How this is rolefishing.

Jack then accuses him further of Rolefishing (23)... huh? not sure I like the blatent misreps on Sando by Jack. There is no Rolefishing. It was a question about astricks in the name... nothing more. Jack is very defencive early on.

FOS JACK

Jack 26 goes hyper defensive and crazy with his vote on San.. I in no way see rolefishing.

wow Sotty votes Jack... Jack goes crazy and OMGUS votes Sotty... Misrep, and OMGUS... loving the early stuff here.... Jack is being weirder than normal.

Sotty asks how it was Rolefishing... Jack(36) refuses saying it is a horrid idea.

Dont like Farsides defending of Jack in 38&39.. in my experience Jack is a bit out there, but not as openly defensive as I have seen him in this.. it is deff a change from Jack I do not like

Sotty (49) I don't think Jack is being Jack here... I seriously think there is more of an edge to him on this... he is more defensive and high strung.

don't like Farsides 51 reply to Sotty when she mentions her vote being good - You are one big wall of helpful there aren't you. (sarcasm) I feel it was a valid point.. Right now at this stage my vote would have been on Jack

Porochaz(53) jump on Sotty is weird.... I seen nothing wrong with her stance on Jack.. at this point I feel the same


I don't agree with my predecessors assessemnt about Porochaz and Sotty's votes on Jack looking opportunistic...

I like Zachs vote on Porochaz in 64

Sotty 70 - She is right about Porochaz vote on her... it did seem a while before he moved it over.

FOS: Porochaz

So far, Im getting a town read on Sotty... I don't like Jacks vote on Sotty in 72

Jack 74... urgh wanting to know why Manga isnt voting sotty. Weak as hell case on Sotty so far I am not buying if anyone was being defensive its been him.

Zachs 81 is correct... Sotty will usually go after Zach if she is town. (She goes after me when she is scum)

Hmmm... something I have learned about sotty as we go deeper into page 4... when scum. She uses meta as a tool against someone alot more.

Right now I am getting the feeling peopel are thinking Jack is too scummy to be scum....

Jacks change of vote to LL and even his FOS are weird, no reasons given

I feel charlie jumped wagon easily onto Sotty

Jack again switching votes without reasson to Manga

Charlie does not seem interested in having 3 votes on him as of page 5

Charlie makes a point against Sotty 141. A few people were against the vote on Jack, Charlie. Admits to stalling.

fos: Charlie

So many V/LAs

King David vote on Jack.. I like

Onto page 7

Oh not good for Charlie.. unvotes Magna saying there are better lynches.. then says playing game with no fear and revotes next post?? wha??? (159-160)

CDB is lurking quite a bit.. or at least not adding much content.

missed Charlie put someone at L-1 just to see who would hammer, do not like this... not very town like at all. risks a hammer just to test something...

MOI Cheap shot at Zach... even though he is V/LA... His activity has dropped... say wha??

CDB ias still very quiet.. yet Sotty has not said a word on that, yet focused on Zach being quiet

Dont like Charlie 204.. he is trying to draw attention away by basically saying he is changing his playstyle... basically to avoid being metta'd I believe.then declares lets get lynching.

CDB replaces out?

Sotty 221 call on Charlie is good

Dont like Sottys unvote to vote Zach. spends so much time on Charlie... only to vote Zach, not sure as she has no case aside from he usually lurks as scuim.

Alright, finished my catch up.. so much for doing it tomorrow... anyway.

Scum

Jack
Charlie

On the fence

CDB/ replacement - Needs to post a lot more. Dont like Ythan only looking to read in ISO on people... needs a full read through to get a grasp on build up and reactions to peoples ISO

Sotty - She has good points on Zach, he does not be as active as scum... however Sotty does use meta more as scum to lynch people or gain momentum for lynches.

Everyone else I am unsure about. However I am not convinced by Zachs vote on Zaj... I don't see a problem as of yet with Zaj.

vote: Charlie

[jasonT1981]

whatever works for you I guess.

[jasonT1981]

Aside from those things I pointed out aainst Poro.. there was nothing else I felt was suspicious except the voting thing early on. Charlie and Jack would be my main suspects. With one from Sotty or CDB/Ythan

[jasonT1981]

why is Jack claiming when there is only one vote on him?

[jasonT1981]

Yea, I do... Im just trying to find the games in the past where you as scum have used Meta on me to push a lynch. Since the conversion of boards, I lost all watched games before hand.

[jasonT1981]

Use my wiki dude.

But my point is that I use meta

all the time

. That makes it a null tell. How can you find me scummy for that?

because your case on Zach was solely based on your Meta of him... thats a Scum Sotty tatic, town sotty also uses game material to build a case.

[jasonT1981]

Interesting question.. Jack why did you claim with only one vote on you, with no real chance of being lynched towards end of day 1?

[jasonT1981]

note: Interesting question bit was directed to farside22's post above mine.

[jasonT1981]

charlie was obvtown, thought I could swing it over to moi in time...also I was confusing this game with another one which had a "person with most votes at deadline gets lynched" mechanic.

So, is what your saying is - what you claimed is not actually what you are because you confused this game with another?

[jasonT1981]

Kingmaker mafia is one such example of you using solely meta to go for my lynch. I am looking for the game it was one of the marathon games, there was also one off site where you did the same... as well as another here.

[jasonT1981]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 57&t=14544

here is one such example of Sotty using meta to get a luynch without any other case. I am trying to dig up the others.

[jasonT1981]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 57&t=14544

here is one such example of Sotty using meta to get a luynch without any other case. I am trying to dig up the others.

I believe these are the other two where you used BS meta to try and lynch me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 55#1920655

offsite game Sotty = Kack Knight

http://mwa-online.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=6866

[jasonT1981]

So, aside from Meta on Zach/myself... can you outline an actual case?

[jasonT1981]

I'm posting this in all my games... I have a headache from hell today. Will not be posting much if anything until it clears. Sorry.

[jasonT1981]

Jack, I will vote when I am good and ready to vote, not when you demand it... alright? good.

Also, if Jack is pushing me so much? why is his vote not on me?

don't buy it

vote:Jack

[jasonT1981]

you have? when?

[jasonT1981]

oh yes

[jasonT1981]

Actually... reading over supreme court, he played similar there to his early play in this game.

unvote: Jack

[jasonT1981]

Yea, catch ups can take time. I did mine in one sitting and felt like my head was ready to explode afterwards.

[jasonT1981]

Sotty, I would like to ask you this... in particular about the bolded below.

Jason comes in and he must be really annoyed. Because he knows that I can read him as easily as I can read Zach.

He makes a big catch post that isn't helpful in any obvious way

Do you feel, vollkan's big catch up was helpful in anyway? Interesting you commented on my catch up like this... just wondering if you felt the same way... or a different way about vollkan's catch up. You were asking for it yesterday (real time yesterday) but have not commented on it since he is 'up to date' as you put it.

[jasonT1981]

OK fair enough. I saw you were not a fan of the point system. I guess its better than Masten style posting though. I used to do the quotes thing.. but switched to the point catch up a while back. Easier for people to read I Guess without walls of quotes.

EBYOP: I pretty much expected the vote to go on me really. I do have issue with this though.

325: Jason’s vote on Jack makes no sense and looks like distancing.

Jason+2

In his catch up read through, I would think he would have noticed my day 1 suspicion of Jack. As well as continued suspicion on Day 2 early on when I questioned him for his roleclaim.. and a possible retraction of the claim. I am not sure if his post was an actual retraction or not.. His declaring Charlie Obv town at start of day2 but did nothing on day 1 to say that.

However, since re-reading Supreme court mafia, that I played in with Jack. I started to get a more town feel for Jack which is why I retracted my vote.

I had suspicion on Jack from early in the game and had documented it quite a few times and had a few exchanges with him.. so to say my vote makes no sense is a misrep. I had issues with Jack that are plain for all to see.

[jasonT1981]

Jack, you make very good points. I also notice, he makes no points towards (scum?) sotty after post 79 of his catchup yet has her at 2nd most likely scum.... and only makes mention of me/zach after Sotty pushes Zachs lurking. I feel his vote is opertunistic.

in fact it is not until his 2nd catch up post he even makes reference to Zach.

vote:vollkan

His points system is a bit weird

[jasonT1981]

I had suspicion on Jack from early in the game and had documented it quite a few times and had a few exchanges with him.. so to say my vote makes no sense is a misrep. I had issues with Jack that are plain for all to see.

Your vote on Jack was pretty weak though, it was like you voted him for demanding you vote more than anything. Just because you voiced suspicions of Jack in thread, doesn't mean that your vote on him can't be seen as distancing or not adding up clearly as you seem to suggest..

My point is though, he made it seem that I had no reason what so ever to vote Jack. in response to you saying I voted Jack just because he demanded me to vote... well I strongly disgree...In fact, my vote came MANY posts after he demanded I voted. It was not right away. It was 2 pages and 2 days later I voted from the point Jack demanded..So no, it was not a vote because I was being demanded to vote.

[jasonT1981]

I really don't know why zach replaced. He's in other games

and it bothers me when I see someone being pressured who replaces out of the blue

I caught this earlier, but didnt post as I wanted to check somethings out first before posting anything concrete.

Hmmm this is actually a lie designed to make the role I have replaced in, look even scummier. Zachrulez is not actually involved in any active games. the only games he is in... is a hydra account with Sotty herself. However, the Zachrulez account IS NOT currently playing any games. So this is a barefaced lie.

Major FOS: Farside

[jasonT1981]

Looking at Zajnet in ISO, he really has not added much to the game.

[jasonT1981]

He aint really done much though Jack.. I am not sure he is scum. right now I feel vollkan is a better lynch.

[jasonT1981]

I dont dispute him being busy with courses, I know how busy you can get when doing stuff like that. My final year nearly everything was sacrificed to get it done, social life... games etc. I had little time to do anything else.

How recent was Trader mafia though? Maybe he has just taken on too many games and is suffering for that.

[jasonT1981]

The only time i came close to real life issues was the other day where I posted in all my games that I had a headache and would not be posting that day.

[jasonT1981]

Oh and zach was in a game before August 21st so don't give me the he wasn't in another game liar comment again.

but your post was 3 days after that... on the 24th August. I did do research. HHe was not active in any games at the time you made this comment. So yes, you have misrepped and lied to dirty the slot further.

I really don't know why zach replaced. He's in other games and it bothers me when I see someone being pressured who replaces out of the blue

[jasonT1981]

1. Your lack of support for why Volk would be a better lynch is telling.
2. Why did you go out of your way to highlight Zaj’s lack of activity at the top of the page? If you aren’t saying it is scummy then you aren’t scum-hunting and are just staying active..

I believe this post covered why I felt he was a better lynch.. Considering I already had my vote on him with reasons I did not feel the need to give my reasons only a few posts later, again.

Jack, you make very good points. I also notice, he makes no points towards (scum?) sotty after post 79 of his catchup yet has her at 2nd most likely scum.... and only makes mention of me/zach after Sotty pushes Zachs lurking. I feel his vote is opertunistic.

in fact it is not until his 2nd catch up post he even makes reference to Zach.

vote:vollkan

His points system is a bit weird

[jasonT1981]

If you read my whole post.. I also had issues with how he never mentioned Sotty after post 79 yet had her second highest scum. And how I felt he was opertunistic jumping on my wagon with the vote.

[jasonT1981]

unvote, vote:Jason

Last page is pretty bad, someone hammer, don't wait for a claim.

Interesting you would not want a claim....

I am the doc, last night I protected Locke

[jasonT1981]

You do realize that when I flip town, the town will look towards you tomorrow., right? this is a very dangerous counterclaim if you are telling the truth.

[jasonT1981]

Ah well, I drew the Doc out of hiding, I guess my work is done

unvote
vote: JasonT1981

[jasonT1981]

YAY!! I has no problem with QT being posted! Damn you Sotty! Grrrrr

[jasonT1981]

I must admit, I quick hammered myself in an attempt to frame Locke (which I think lead to sotty roleblocking him N2) I knew Sotty had seen me self hammer before in a game when my scum buddy was asked questions in an attempt to cut off conversation and was hoping she would have picked up on it again.

Sorry, Locke

[jasonT1981]

thanks... I just needa work on a way to confuse sotty when I play as scum! lol