Open 250 - Pie E7 Mark II

[Vi]

*npau reads "massclaim" because it's in bolded
*npau stops reading rest of paragraph and accuses Vi of rolefishing
*Vi slow-claps

If you don't bother to respond then answer why you refuse to go into the pros and cons of mass claiming before trying to convince us to do so?

It's possible, albeit unlikely, for the massclaim to backfire. But I don't want to go into explicit theoretical detail about the pros and cons so as to sway how scum should re/act.

Everything you need to know is mentioned in that paragraph. If you're too lazy to read it again, here it is in even shorter form.
*Pros: Massclaim occurs before scum can coordinate it, massclaim is not as likely to hurt Town because the power roles are very likely to be obvious by this point, it will make it more likely for us to lynch scum D1 (at which point it will become much easier for Town to win).
*Cons: The scum will definitely know who the power roles are, as opposed to

probably

knowing who the power roles are.

[Equinox]

I skimmed. I don't have time to address the rest of this right now.

nopointinactingup, did you even read the thread. Post 135, now. I am getting REALLY TIRED REALLY FAST citing this damn post, so if you louts don't believe what I said in post 135, just say so and then I'll shut up.

Post #293: mmh, real frustration? Or a strategy to convey a feeling of real frustration?

I was pissed as shit. Thank you for your vote of confidence.

I'm not sure if I'm in favor of this mass claim anymore. I have something I want to happen today, but I gotta think over the rationality of this first before I say it in case it's incredibly stupid or something.

In other news, this game makes me want to punch cute fluffy things again.

[Equinox]

I've forgotten my manners. Welcome, lewarcher82.

I think I'll just say what's on my mind now, have you guys argue it out, etc.

Firstly, having read 302 and thought about the possibilities and stuff, I think I'm in favor of mass claiming. The reason why and the scenarios I have in mind, I will keep hidden. Just do it.

Secondly, lynch Equinox today. Why? sottyrulez and VP Baltar's slot apparently pegged scum reads on me; those two are the strongest town reads I have in this game, and while I disagree with their judgment (for obvious reasons), I think that means I'm going to be enough of a distraction to help scum win if I don't get lynched today.

Someone might say, "Well, why have us lynch someone you

know

to be town and not scum?" If we lynch scum today, that's awesome. Maybe even a miracle. However, I get the sense that town is pretty disorganized here. Punt this game to LyLo; you'll start agreeing on stuff more. Further, regardless of whether you lynch town or scum today, I have a feeling that, given what I've done so far, we'll end up arguing over this again on Day 2. I'd rather have you lot bicker over another slot.

I am serious about this. No drama, no theatrics, no gimmicks. The only thing I am not going to do is vote myself because I want to force you into doing that instead. (Sotty7 is probably familiar with me pulling this move. I was serious then, and I'm serious now.)

Discuss.

PS: lewarcher82, post 135, now. Yeah, click on the link; it's only a short passage to read. Now come back and tell me I had scum motivation for putting CKD at L-1. Keep in mind my opinion of the player list.

[sottyrulez]

I've forgotten my manners. Welcome, lewarcher82.

I think I'll just say what's on my mind now, have you guys argue it out, etc.

Firstly, having read 302 and thought about the possibilities and stuff, I think I'm in favor of mass claiming. The reason why and the scenarios I have in mind, I will keep hidden. Just do it.

Secondly, lynch Equinox today. Why? sottyrulez and VP Baltar's slot apparently pegged scum reads on me; those two are the strongest town reads I have in this game, and while I disagree with their judgment (for obvious reasons), I think that means I'm going to be enough of a distraction to help scum win if I don't get lynched today.

Someone might say, "Well, why have us lynch someone you

know

to be town and not scum?" If we lynch scum today, that's awesome. Maybe even a miracle. However, I get the sense that town is pretty disorganized here. Punt this game to LyLo; you'll start agreeing on stuff more. Further, regardless of whether you lynch town or scum today, I have a feeling that, given what I've done so far, we'll end up arguing over this again on Day 2. I'd rather have you lot bicker over another slot.

I am serious about this. No drama, no theatrics, no gimmicks. The only thing I am not going to do is vote myself because I want to force you into doing that instead. (Sotty7 is probably familiar with me pulling this move. I was serious then, and I'm serious now.)

Discuss.

PS: lewarcher82, post 135, now. Yeah, click on the link; it's only a short passage to read. Now come back and tell me I had scum motivation for putting CKD at L-1. Keep in mind my opinion of the player list.

To be fair, VP was claiming more of a scumread on us than you before he replaced out.

If enough of us agree to MC, then I agree with Vi that CKD can pick the first to claim.

[Equinox]

I was talking about lewarcher82, though.

[Vi]

This WILL happen.

@curiouskarmadog: Choose the next person to claim in your next post.

[lewarcher82]

allright, first of all I apologise, I took long and I didn't check the meta's, yet, because I have been on a train for the whole day (which will happen two sundays every month because of my job, so I will not write V/LA everytime, just forgive me if I disappear for one day).

I feel like I need, at least, to answer to Vi and NPAU.

Vi: the feeling that you are nervous derived from the whole thread. In a different context, perhaps, I wouldn't have felt that the request of a MC sounded "nervous". My bad. Anyway, there is a thing I did not understand in your post about MC, but I believe it is better not to ask it for now. You can all remind me later, perhaps on day 2, if I am alive.

Vi(2): you ask me Y/N? Well, I have a longer experience of Mafia games than my signature may induce to think, and a standard procedure would have been using the ML, and massclaiming on day 2 lylo, I guess. But you anticipated this point in your very post, explaining why this option is ruled out. So I agree, we can MC. But please let's not discuss the possible outcomes as NPAU asked you to do. This would definitely help scum.

NPAU: the inability of identifying a reasonable partner for Equinox (assuming Equi really is scum) is my biggest issue. I can elaborate a little:
1) CKD and Equinox: this would imply that two big and naive mistakes were made. First, Equi voted him and quickly unvoted. Then CKD states that he didn't answer any questions while Equi says he did. This can happen, of course, but we are not in a newby game, are we?
2) St.K. and Equinox: St.K. did challenged the defense that Vi made of Equi, but then he did not vote her. If they are partner, then this is a bussing. But why leaving it uncomplete? Why not vote her?

Now I start reading some other games of you guys. I may post again later, or tomorrow (Rome-Berlin Time Zone; also, I forgot: English Second Language here, I apologise for any mistakes).

[Vi]

Your English is fine. Truthfully, a pretty large number of people I've met who speak English as a second language can speak it better than natives.

[curiouskarmadog]

omg, we are fucking claiming???..let me look to see who has claimed....god dammit....I need more time...I am against this claiming.

[curiouskarmadog]

actually, i am against the claim, can someone please point out to me the post where someone explained why claiming at this point was a good idea?

[curiouskarmadog]

nm, I see vi's post 300....

I also see that I am the first to claim...

I think nopoint should start.

[Equinox]

Don't people read things anymore?

NPAU: the inability of identifying a reasonable partner for Equinox (assuming Equi really is scum) is my biggest issue.

BECAUSE I'M NOT SCUM.

Why the fuck are people looking for partners without flips.

Also, lewarcher82, if you're looking for my partner, where the hell is your vote?

[Equinox]

actually, i am against the claim, can someone please point out to me the post where someone explained why claiming at this point was a good idea?

Here you go.

[Equinox]

Why the fuck are people looking for partners without flips.

Also, lewarcher82, if you're looking for my partner, where the hell is your vote?

And while I was looking for Vi's explanation, I came upon NPAU's question. Therefore, the first sentence is now directed at NPAU, not lewarcher82.

The second question is more iffy since it's directed towards both NPAU and lewarcher82. I still recommend that lewarcher82 not waste his time on what he will (hopefully soon) discover is a fruitless exercise. I also wonder why he bothered to question VP Baltar's judgment.

[nopointinactingup]

*npau reads "massclaim" because it's in bolded
*npau stops reading rest of paragraph and accuses Vi of rolefishing
*Vi slow-claps

If you don't bother to respond then answer why you refuse to go into the pros and cons of mass claiming before trying to convince us to do so?

It's possible, albeit unlikely, for the massclaim to backfire. But I don't want to go into explicit theoretical detail about the pros and cons so as to sway how scum should re/act.

Everything you need to know is mentioned in that paragraph. If you're too lazy to read it again, here it is in even shorter form.
*Pros:

Massclaim occurs before scum can coordinate it, massclaim is not as likely to hurt Town because the power roles are very likely to be obvious by this point

, it will make it more likely for us to lynch scum D1 (at which point it will become much easier for Town to win).
*Cons: The scum will definitely know who the power roles are, as opposed to

probably

knowing who the power roles are.

Unvote.Vote:Vi

for the underlined part. Since my role should be obvious if I express suspicion of Vi's massclaim suggestion. I'm outing myself as

Town Doctor

. However,

I suggest we end massclaim

at me in order not to reveal our investigative role.

Now the reason Vi is rolefishing "one way or another":
- Massclaiming today is detrimental to town in that no town PR will be effective at night.
- Vi could not possibly have seen who the obvious town PRs are.
- The point of the underlined post was a rolefish within a rolefish. PRs like me will know that it is fluffs and thus, expressed disagreement with Vi's massclaim suggestion, therefore outing ourselves to Vi.

[Equinox]

Unvote, Vote: Vi

Process of elimination on Day 1? Yes, I'm a hypocrite. curiouskarmadog, lewarcher82 (VP Baltar), and sottyrulez have given me reasons to give them very strong town reads. Elaboration available upon request. I'm willing to hedge a bet on Day 1 that nopointinactingup's claim is real, and with that assumption, I have enough to go on to get this game cracked open.

If you guys can't agree on this, well, you can lynch me first and then Vi and SaintKerrigan.

That mass claim did us some good. Get lynchin'.

[Equinox]

EBWOP: If it's not already apparent,

I am also in favor of stopping the mass claim

. I've done enough fishing for the day. Case appears to be solved now.

[Vi]

Now the reason Vi is rolefishing "one way or another":
- Massclaiming today is detrimental to town in that no town PR will be effective at night.
- Vi could not possibly have seen who the obvious town PRs are.
- The point of the underlined post was a rolefish within a rolefish. PRs like me will know that it is fluffs and thus, expressed disagreement with Vi's massclaim suggestion, therefore outing ourselves to Vi.

-If we don't lynch scum, yes. But then that's not different from what happened last game, and Town had a good shot then. In any event, this massclaim IS our best chance at lynching scum Today for reasons that will become apparent at the end.
-Dead wrong.
-See above.

If you guys can't agree on this, well, you can lynch me first and then Vi and SaintKerrigan.

We are not lynching you today, tomorrow, or ever.

Please stop saying we can, will, or should. (or be forever branded an emo kid)

And yes, I want the Cop to claim, speaking as a

vanilla

. To the scum, the Cop is 100% known at this point, so there's no backing down now.

You may think you know why I'm doing this, but you have no idea.

[Equinox]

(or be forever branded an emo kid)

TOO LATE

[Vi]

In related news.

Unofficial Vote Count

Vi 3 - Saint K, Equinox, nopointactingup
Equinox 1 - Sotty
Saint K 1 - Vi

I'm at L-1.

I would acquiesce to being lynched Today if it meant you could follow my instructions Days 2 and 3, but it would really suck to be you if I were quickhammered before I was done and explained myself. There is strong scum motivation to quickhammer me while the scum knows who the Cop is, Town doesn't, and you don't know why I wanted to massclaim since like Page 5 or so.

[Equinox]

Oh, look, I L-1'ed someone again. :O

There is strong scum motivation to quickhammer me while the scum knows who the Cop is, Town doesn't, and you don't know why I wanted to massclaim since like Page 5 or so.

Not happy that you went and said this. If you're town as you claim, for that last one.

[Vi]

Oh, look, I L-1'ed someone again. :O

And you got another premature claim too.~

I stand by what you said, because again,

You may think you know why I'm doing this, but you have no idea.

Now if you could unvote me please. I have better things to do IRL than sit in front of the computer all day and wait to see if I'll have to throw out a hasty conclusion in Twilight.

[nopointinactingup]

Now the reason Vi is rolefishing "one way or another":
- Massclaiming today is detrimental to town in that no town PR will be effective at night.
- Vi could not possibly have seen who the obvious town PRs are.
- The point of the underlined post was a rolefish within a rolefish. PRs like me will know that it is fluffs and thus, expressed disagreement with Vi's massclaim suggestion, therefore outing ourselves to Vi.

-If we don't lynch scum, yes. But then that's not different from what happened last game, and Town had a good shot then. In any event, this massclaim IS our best chance at lynching scum Today for reasons that will become apparent at the end.
-Dead wrong.
-See above.

Were you sure I'm a power role? If so why? Why did you mention that you know who the PRs are?

And yes, I want the Cop to claim, speaking as a

vanilla

. To the scum, the Cop is 100% known at this point, so there's no backing down now.

Even assuming you are telling the truth, the scum would still have to take a 50/50 at 2 of [Equi, Lewarcher, Sotty, St.K]. That's not 100%.

Unvote.

SPEAK.

[Vi]

I will NOT elaborate until the massclaim is finished. I'm sorry for stringing everyone along like this, but it's not happening.

Even assuming you are telling the truth, the scum would still have to take a 50/50 at 2 of [Equi, Lewarcher, Sotty, St.K]. That's not 100%.

This is not accurate. Although you reminded me that Equinox has not claimed.

[nopointinactingup]

Resorting to blank statement now?
Why not answer and if your answer is satisfying, we'll proceed to massclaim.