Mafia 121 -- Picking Simplicity Game Over

[Glork]

/coronfirm.

[Glork]

Vote: CJMiller

[Glork]

Vote: CJMiller

Policy?

Huh? I have no fucking clue who CJ is. I just picked a name and voted.

[Glork]

Claim:

either

doctor or cop, to get that out of the way.

With this setup they can't risk missing a kill on me so no danger in claiming...I will provide "results" or results after each day to keep it uncertain. I will also take suggestions or "suggestions".

and

Vote:Mothrax

You have GOT to be kidding me.

If I'm scum, it's totally worth a 50/50 shot of losing ONE nightkill to find out which you are. And if you're the Doctor, you die, and the Cop can't claim without dying after that point.

It also means that if the other among [Doctor/Cop] has to claim, then we know what both of them are, and you will both be dead within two nights.

FURTHERMORE, it means that if ANY caught scumbag claims [Doctor/Cop], you or the other person has to counter, thereby outing all of the roles anyway.




Jesus balls, Jack. I always thought of you as being a decently insightful player. But this doesn't make ANY sense from a town protown perspective. Did you think this through at all?

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: LynchMePls

This is a good play.

[Glork]

Interesting claim. Reserving judgement on it. I disagree with Glork about lack of town intent behind it, since I think some could exist, but it's rather tricky.

I'm going to pretend it didn't happen for the time being.

You should probably be voting for LMP right now.

[Glork]

PS, I think there may very well have been protown INTENT behind it (else I'd be voting Jack), but it wasn't thought through, and it was a bone-headed play.

[Glork]

Vote: -Empking.

Would any of you mind if I talked like t)(is wit)( t)(e )(s for t)(e rest of t)(e game?

Glork: If you're town, do you think it was a good idea to go around telling everyone what a great idea it would be for scum to shoot Jack tonight?

I think that the scums are just as capable as anybody else at figuring out whether it's in their interests to shoot at Jack or not.

Not posting it doesn't mean that nobody else is thinking it. Don't even try this sort of non-logic with me.


That said, thank you for outing yourself as LMP's scumbuddy.

[Glork]

Vote: -Empking.

Would any of you mind if I talked like t)(is wit)( t)(e )(s for t)(e rest of t)(e game?

Glork: If you're town, do you think it was a good idea to go around telling everyone what a great idea it would be for scum to shoot Jack tonight?

I think that the scums are just as capable as anybody else at figuring out whether it's in their interests to shoot at Jack or not.

Not posting it doesn't mean that nobody else is thinking it. Don't even try this sort of non-logic with me.


That said, thank you for outing yourself as LMP's scumbuddy.

That's awesome. If you disagree with Glork you must be scum.

Nah, plenty of scums try to kiss my rear. Sometimes it works, too!


Also the question you should be asking yourself is, what has Nik done that *isn't* scummy? For super srs.

[Glork]

And why is LMP nitpicking at the most minor point in what makes Nik scummy?

Pretty sure I've already answered this for all parties involved.

GLORKS KEYS TO VICTORY:
1) Lynch LMP
2) Convince the SK to crosskill Nikanor
2b) Lynch Nikanor if the SK is an unwilling buttface
3) ???
4) Profit!

[Glork]

Gee whiz Glork, I dunno. I don't think I agree with any of those steps.

Sorry. Those are my keys to a protown victory.

You're pretty much hosed.

[Glork]

I love how LMP tries to rail on me for "disagreeing with Glork" and then uses the "you're parroting" and/or accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being scum.


MAXIMIZE THE HYPOCRISY.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote Lowell

This vote gets an A++.

[Glork]

I love how LMP tries to rail on me for "disagreeing with Glork" and then uses the "you're parroting" and/or accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being scum.


MAXIMIZE THE HYPOCRISY.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? Who am I accusing of being scum for disagreeing with me? I want quotes.

Read again, genius. I didn't say you accused them of scum BECAUSE they disagreed with you. But you've attacked everyone who has happened to share a different opinion of you, a mere page after you tried to get me in trouble for doing the same thing.

[Glork]

But "everybody" doesn't need to think it, Nik. ONE scumbag does.

I'm not going to sit here and bullshit myself that all of the scumbags are freaking morons, so I'd rather make sure that the freaking morons in the town are aware of what's going on. Believe me. If I were scum, I'd keep completely silent about it and just do it anyway. Because that's how I operate. Scum have even LESS reason to bring it up than anybody in the town.

[Glork]

EBWOP: MIssed a page. One sec.

[Glork]

EBWOP: No wait, I didn't. I just missed two posts which made me think I missed a page. I should probably go back to bed.

[Glork]

If you think LMP is scum, make a real case for it, try to get him lynched.

Does "Glork says so" count? Because it should.

[Glork]

If you think LMP is scum, make a real case for it, try to get him lynched.

Does "Glork says so" count? Because it should.

Heh. Don't bail EmpKing out now, Glork; let him wriggle on the hook for a while longer, I want to see how much more he's going to implicate himself as scum.

....but he's not scum.

This is a terrible wagon.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: SnakePlissken

Deal.

[Glork]

lololol

Snake = superduperscum.


LMP, you should probably bus your scumbuddy. It's a good play, I promise. PROMISE! :3

[Glork]

Does your over posting theorem lead you to any other suspects snake?

No, because they aren't conveinently the leading bandwagon on an obviously protown player.

:V

[Glork]

I think he means he finds me scummy.


It should be noted, though, that I actually have FEWER posts than UK and Jack.
I have only three mores posts than LynchMePls (22 to 19). Empking, who is "posting too much," has 20 posts to LMP's 19.


Seriously. This guy's suspicions are so fabricated, it's not even funny. His observations are incosnsistent at best. Jack and UK have the most posts in the game.
Yet the results of Snake's "theorem" are that Empking (who is the leading bandwagon) and Glork (who has attacked Snake the hardest) are the two scums.

[Glork]

Do it, Yos. Emp is SUPAR DUPAR PROTOWNZ.

[Glork]

Seriously, if posting a lot were a scumtell, I'd be scum in every game I ever played.

It's indictaive of playstyle, not scumminess.

[Glork]

Xine is scummy too, and a hypocrite.

Glork, maybe it's both?

Elaborate?

[Glork]

Yos, are you scum?

[Glork]

I'm not sold on snake as scum

He did softclaim/claim early as scum in another game.

Was the other game with normal roles and an open setup? I think that's a big determining factor in early-breadcrumbing behavior.

[Glork]

Unvote
Vote: CJMiller

[Glork]

Completely and utterly unwilling to believe that the *ONLY* read Miller has of a 12-page D1 happens to be that the bandwagoned guy is scum.

[Glork]

It's not random, it's just that CJ said after reading through the game, the only read he had was scum on Snake....

...which is an INCREDIBLY convenient read.

Normally I don't like derailing wagons after 10+ pages of D1, but this is entirely appropriate. Snake isn't (group)scum, and CJ most certainly is some form of scum.

[Glork]

Meh, fiiine.

Unvote
Vote: Snake

[Glork]

EBWOP: If Snake flips town, though, I will be all over some of these people like stink on shit.

[Glork]

Duly noted.

[Glork]

Unvote

Indecisive Glork is indecisive. Thursday I'm going to go back and read and figure out exactly wtf I want to do today.

[Glork]

I'm alive. I've not been able to follow up on the thread, and it's my own damned fault. Tomorrow is my first day off in ten days, and I'll get caught up on everything then.

Apologies,
Glork

[Glork]

Okay, I fail miserably. Budding relationship has taken up my spare time, and I will be on

V/LA until Sunday

. If you need to replace me, I understand it... if not, I promise this will be priority #1 as soon as I get back into town.

[Glork]

Reading now, from where I left off D1. Don't expect a full re-read, but expect plenty of thoughts, and probably a scumbag or two in my next post.

[Glork]

RUNNING THOUGHTS.

First and foremost, holy shit. 20 pages since my last actual post. I'll knock out what I can before my eyes bleed, though.
Secondly, and nearly as important: I litreally haven't read anything except the deceased list, and I'm going to be posting as I go along. So keep

348 by AGar is omegascummy.

If it weren't for Jack's play, I'd be humping his leg like a horny chihuahua. I still think he's protown, because his scumhunting has been fine, but that claim ugaoisdhgpoiasdjpg oaisdjfpl aksdjfpoaisjd.

LynchMePls is still scum, as of Post 376. Why is he still alive?

LynchMePls is still scum, as of Post 431. Why is he still alive?

I like Nacho's posting. I don't agree with everything he says, but the effort is there. Bonus points to the max for Post 434.

Antihero's 435 looks like distancing. "hilarious epicfail" with no actual suspicion put in there. Weaksauce.

Nikanor is either scum, or not playing smart. Hunting specifically for the SK at the start of D2?

MAJOR FoS: Nik

Nik vs. AGar annoys me. I wanted to believe that they are both scum, but this doesn't feel like the right time to bus, and we know that the SK is gone already. I'd lean towards Nik being scum moreso than Agar

Okay, for super serious. Can somebody please explain to me why LMP isn't dead yet?

I play pristine fucking scum games.

ITT, AGar reminds us all that he is a complete and utter moron. Moving on...

ELDARAD DESERVES A GOLD FUCKING STAR.

A bajillion reasons to vote LMP, and Antihero picks Post 533? Why?

And then LMP picks the worst reason to go after Antihero. These guys are firing blanks at each other. -_-

Okay, this is going to sound retarded, but I don't even remember calling Nik/LMP scumbuddies. The fact that Nocmen pointed this out in 593 gives me happy fuzzies.

BURDEN OF PROOF! Too bad UK's already dead, or I'd have lynched her for this alone.

Nocmen needs to put Nik closer to the "Scum" end of his list, but otherwise it looks pretty good. No coattails, either. That's a legit readthrough, folks.

The Patented Unvote from LMP. I knew his vote on Antihero wouldn't last very long. (Yes, I believe that Antihero and LMP are scum together.)

I SHALL COMMENT ON VAS'S CASE AGAINST AGAR: Meh.

I'm fine with Antihero wagon. Nocmen can wait to tomorrow, apparently some people are fooled by his "look at all this catchup stuff, aren't I pro-town (nevermind that it is completely contrived and full of contradictions/falsehoods)".

Unvote
Vote: Antihero

@VV: Your AGar case is not at all as damning as you think it is.

Are you just trying to flip between Anti and Me, and going whichever is most popular?

Hmm...... COULD BE.

I'm not all that convinced that

all three

of Antihero/LMP/Nik are scum, because there's a lot of infighting in that group. Moreso than there should be in any decent scumgroup. That said, at least two of them probably are.

Random sidenote: Since when is not divulging your scum reads "often" a good thing, Jack? The fuck? I expect to die pretty much every night of every game I'm in, so I couldn't disagree more. The last time I withheld a scum read, that read was accurate, and the town lost in (small) part because I didn't bother to push the possiblity of that player being scum.

Fucking lol @ the (claimed) guilty cop result on the SK. I was wondering how the growing Antihero wagon would change so suddenly to UK.

I don't think we should lynch Nacho or UK. Antihero is still a better lynch. If we lynch UK, and she is the SK, all we're doing is helping the scum. If we lynch Nacho, we risk lynching the cop. I say we let the situation play itself out, and lynch scum-Antihero.

nopoint trying to direct the doc protect is massively scummy. Regardless of who we believe is what, there is no way we should be calling the doctor to protect a specific target.

Fucking lol @ this post. On the bright side, I'm back to "Nik/LMP are scum" and don't really care for an Antihero lynch anymore.

Vote: LynchMePls

Yeah, LMP wagon is the best way to go right now.

Vote:LMP

HOLY SHIT, YOu ARE A GODDAMNED MOTHERFUKCING GENIUS.



Quicker, and slightly more entertaining read than I had expected.

Lynch LMP Pls.



xoxo,
Glork

[Glork]

PS, I'm having second thoughts on Jack's alignment.

Will mull some things over. Something in one of his early D3 posts gives me reason to believe that his claim was a gambit, and not the happy protown kind.

[Glork]

Jack, did you just re-afirm your SK claim? and what are you doing still alive? Glork, Your theroy on LMP+Antihero scum would explain alot. Agar, such insight... Do you still get scum vibes from Hayl now that she's talking a little?

UncertainKitten, Serial Killer,

lynched Day Two

HERRRRRRRRP.

[Glork]

Jack was obviously joking, as the SK is already dead and revealed.


:rolleyes:

[Glork]

Not really. Aside from Nov 11 - Nov 14, he hasn't gone 48 hours without posting, which is more than most can say. Keep in mind that he is the third person in that player slot, and didn't get into the game until a couple of weeks ago.

[Glork]

Fair enough. I'll keep that in mind.

[Glork]

Hi, Lowell. Are you scum in this game?

[Glork]

I am not scum.

[Glork]

Your "case" on me yesterday was a contrived joke, as is the wagon on me today.

Please read my big long post and address the posts I quoted/linked of yours that I didn't like. Please also comment on my connections between you/Nikanor, and you/Antihero.

Unvote

because I don't want this day to end yet. There is way too much :goodinfo: we haven't gotten out of the day.

[Glork]

And then LMP picks the worst reason to go after Antihero. These guys are firing blanks at each other. -_-

So, LMP crapattacks me, and I'm implicated because ...

scum only fling poop at their buddies?

If so, there's a larger scum team then 4.

No, it's the fact that you're both flinging crap at each other while ignoring acutal valid points against one another. I'm pretty sure I made that clear in my readthrough. Nice misinterp, champ.

[Glork]

Hey, catching up on the last ten or so pages now.

Why don't you just save yourself, and us, a lot of time and effort and just tell us your scumbuddies' names?

[Glork]

Glork, why were you not voting at the end of either lynch wagon so far? Is it coincidence that you unvoted LMP at L-1, and have been very quiet ever since?

I've been busy. I got prodded in my only other game as well.

Will read/post tonight, but I do want to take some time to extract information out of LMP.

LMP, in the meantime, feel free to look over every name on the playerlist and bear your heart and soul about how you feel about each player. If you are in fact protown, it will only serve us well. If you hesitate or refuse, then you're probably scum who doesn't want to give us :goodinfo:.

[Glork]

BTW, if LMP is scum, RedCoyote is probably scum with him, for the whole "why do you think Nacho is off-wagon" comment. Terribad. It's like Red is trying to convince us that Nacho has an innocent on LMP, when the odds of Nacho having investigated LMP are very small, at best.

[Glork]

REASONS LMP IS SCUM:

Post 376, which I alluded to earlier. All this post contains is a bunch of over-the-top justification against Snake, who was the immensely popular bandwagon at the time, and who wound up being the easy mislynch. Classic case of scum dousing the wagon with fuel, and lighting it ablaze. Some people (myself included) were wavering on Snake at that point. I would also argue that LMP's overuse (and in one instance, misuse) of AtE is indicative of him being scum. LMP was not invested in the wagon up to that point, but apparently felt the need to basically pick apart every sentence so he could find something wrong with this. This is a prime example of insincere justification for suspicion.

Post 431, which I also alluded to earlier. Everything that is wrong with this post actuall starts earlier. Azazel comes to Antihero's aid after LMP votes Antihero, and LMP's feigned "hilarity" in here starts the ball rolling. He goes Anti/Azaz for a good portion of the day, then VERY SUDDENLY decides that everything SnakePlissken says is terrible and scummy, when Snake's wagon is both huge and convenient. He drops the ENTIRE Anti/Azaz commentary, and guns for Snake until the mislynch. Then D2 rolls around, and LMP acts like he never suspected anyone else at any other point. For his D2 comments such as an Az/Ant pair being "likely," and the gem at the end of 431: "I'm pretty sure they are both scum." you can't help but wonder

if LMP has been this confident about these two being scum all along, why did he completely drop the two of them and focus so intently on finishing off the Snakewagon once it got huge

?

Herrp derrp.

Random sidenote: As much as LMP just posts "AtE," "more AtE," and such against Snake, this post is quite a gem:

You people are retarded. UK was right, you're all stupid. Scum deserve the win they're gonna get.

Apparently LMP is the pot, and Snake was the kettle. I do love me the taste of hypocrisy in the evening.


As far as LMP's attitude towards Antihero: Yes, he has made several anti-Antihero posts. However, when the chips hit the table, LMP is nowhere to be found where things really matter: The vote. Like I've said, he jumped on Snake when it was super convenient, and even now he's sitting on Empking. AGAIN, I have to ask: IF YOU ARE SO CERTAIN THAT ANITHERO IS SCUM, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU KEEP MOVING YOUR VOTE TO OTHER PLACES?




There, LMP.
You have 24 hours to respond to my post and dissect the ENTIRE playerlist before I make a final decision on whether we lynch you or not. Ball's in your court, champ.

[Glork]

MOD:

Can you please edit that post. It is a giant eyesore.

Also, Nacho: Spamming the page won't do anything but give the rest of usus more crap to sift through. If you're a halfway decent mafia player, you should eventually be re-reading key parts of the game (assuming you survive), and I'd say that my post about LMP and his pending response are rather important.

[Glork]

I'm deciding whether Antihero or Nikanor's replacement needs to die next.

Give me a bit to look over some stuffs.

[Glork]

In related news,

Regardless, I'd agree with the statement "In general, I'd prefer Jack hadn't done that," but I don't think it's so cut-and-dry as to make LMPs enthusiasm the basis for a D1 lynch.

FoS: Lowell

[Glork]

I want Nacho's investigation result ASAP. If he didn't investigate Antihero or Nik's replacement, he is p much the worst Cop in Mafia history.

[Glork]

EBWOP: ACTUALLY, I DON'T WANT THE RESULT IF IT IS AN INNOCENT ON A NON-NIK/ANTIHERO PLAYER. If it's an innocent on Nik/Anti, or a guilty on anyone else, then I want it.

[Glork]

so you're listening to glork blindly?

Listening to Glork blindly can be a pretty effing good idea. It worked for UK D2 in Sly Cooper, and it clearly worked yesterday when I told everyone that LMP was scum and they blindly followed me to his lynch.

[Glork]

Oh yeah, RedCoyote is super suspicious, too.

[Glork]

Vote: RedCoyote

Great placeholder vote; still waiting on Nachomamma.

[Glork]

IMO, we should lynch RedCoyote and investigate Antihero tonight. If Antihero's protown, we let the scums nightkill his useless llurking ass. If he's scum, we lynch him next.

[Glork]

And yes, I'm idrecting the cop. Fuck you all.

[Glork]

If it's such a good case, then why aren't you helping pioneer the wagon?

Just because you're confirmed town doesn't give you a pass to play terribly and not actually act pro-town.

Because RC is also scum?

Terrible "defense." Your next post had better be a treatise on why we shouldn't lynch you next, becuase you have skyrocketed up my scumlist.

[Glork]

Eldarad/AGar connection noted.

[Glork]

BTW, Glork. You ain't as good as you think ya are. Reality check, bro.

All
of
these
games
beg
to
differ

TBH, I should be the Paragon again this year, but self-nominations are frowned upon, and people EXPECT me to be pinpoint accurate to a degree where it's not even a big deal when I point to player X, say they're scum, and happen to be right. But I'm actually playing some of the best mafia of my career right now, and if people would just do what I tell them to do, towns would win a lot more games. It's sad how many of those games towns lost because, even though I knew who the scums were, nobody fucking listens to anybody else in today's MafiaScum universe.



Arrogant, yes.
True, yes.

[Glork]

Vote: eldarad

Eldarad-AGar connection still noted.

[Glork]

Unvote

SOLELY to prevent a premature hammer.



Regardless of what happens to Eldarad, our cop needs to be prepared to present ALL of his results tomorrow. There are three scums left, and 11 players. Three mislynches and we lose. Three correct lynches and we win. It's that simple, really, but strategy might dictate a massive confirmation of innocents by the Cop tomorrow.

I will break down possible scenarios after Eldarad claims.

IF ANYBODY HAMMERS ELDARAD BEFORE HE CLAIMS AND I HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY MY PIECE, THEY SHALL BE CONSIDERED SCUM BY THE REST OF THE TOWN AND LYNCHED IMMEDIATELY TOMORROW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ELDARAD'S ALIGNMENT IS. DO I MAKE MYSELF ABSOLUTELY CLEAR?

[Glork]

If elderad refuses to claim, then lynch him.

Yes, but not before I've had a chance to break down what happens tomorrow. Didn't I just explicitly say that in bold caps?

[Glork]

Hmm. Fine.

Vote Elderad

Do you actually bother to read and comprehend the posts posted in this thread?

I swear, if Eldarad self-hammers like LMP did, Haylen isn't allowed to do anything for the rest of this game.

[Glork]

ty Nacho <3

[Glork]

Meh, mise well wait for potential counterclaim.

[Glork]

DH, you are not calling any shots from here on out. You're still Nikanor's replacement, and still also decently likely to be scum.

It's quite good to know that at least one of my top two suspects (Eldarad, Nik/DH) is definitely scum, though.

We are not going to waste any time lynching either of the Doctors today. The scums will be

FORCED

to kill the Doctor either tonight or tomorrow night, lest they continue to give Nacho free nights to investigate.

If the scums refuse to kill the Doctor, they give Nacho additional free investigations, and we will pick one of Eldarad/DH to lynch

on the day before potential Lynch-Or-Lose

. That way if we pick wrong, while we would be in LyLo, we would definitely have at least one confirmed scumbag to lynch.

Unvote

NOTE: This plan changes if Nacho reveals an innocent result on DH (although I don't expect that to happen).

[Glork]

VasudeVa:

Who are the remaining three scums?

Substrike22:

Same question.

AGar:

If Eldarad is scum, who is his most likely scumbuddy? If DH is scum, who is *his* most likely scumbuddy?

[Glork]

I'm pretty sure I'd like to lynch either AGar or VasudeVa today. Vasude has done next to nothing all day. Resident lurkerscum supreme.

[Glork]

eldarad's crusade against him is confirming him as town.

Disagree. If eldarad is as good as "caught scum," his crusade is largely unreadable. Showing that you can be played like a fiddle is a bad thing, DH.

[Glork]

Lowell, why exactly do you think AGar is scum?

[Glork]

How does no one else find post 1111 from Lowell scummy?

I'd like him to answer my question to him (which was asked in direct response to 1111) before I respond to you.

[Glork]

Vote: Haylen

[Glork]

FYI, that was a policy lynch. I don't think she's as likely to be scum as a couple of other players, but No. That kind of behavior, when there's a claimed Cop and two claimed Doctors, is just not allowed. Shame on you, Haylen. Enjoy the noose.

[Glork]

Excellent, exactly what I was hoping for. Even if you had only three living confirmed innocents, we would *almost* assuredly win.

Vote: Eldarad

[Glork]

GG. Essentially-confirmed-cop did kind of screw over the scums. I wouldn't say that the scums made all horrible night choices, but shooting EmpKing (over the cop-confirmed investigated-innocent Xine) was definitely a gigantic mistake. Unless you are completely confident that you will hit the Doctor, your top kill should be the "confirmed innocent."

[Glork]

Hence, "Completely confident." If you can minimize the pool of confirmed/confirmable innocents, the cop is mostly neutralized. The reason you guys lost is because you let way too many people get investigated and live, *because* you were too busy hunting for the Doctor.

[Glork]

Yeah, distancing has become the new "norm" in a lot of medicore mafias. It's not nearly as valuable as it used to be 6-12 months ago.

[Glork]

On a completely related note, the Antihero/LMP interaction could not have been more obivous. The only real mistake I feel I made was listening to other people about RedCoyote, and not sticking to that scumpair.

[Glork]

On a completely related note, the Antihero/LMP interaction could not have been more obivous. The only real mistake I feel I made was listening to other people about RedCoyote, and not sticking to that scumpair.

Hell, you all should have lynched anti hero the MINUTE it became obvious he had *only* flaked in this game and none of his other ones.

Yeah, the lesson I learned is Fuck What Everyone Else Thinks, I'm Probably More Right Than Them.