Open 254 ~ Trust Issues (FvEvE) Game Ends

[Lowell]

/confrim

[Lowell]

vote zed

[Lowell]

Early guesses. Equi is town, singer not so much.

unvote, vote singer

[Lowell]

Some other early hunches.

Anithero is

town

. Singer's being slightly condescending in her attacks against him in my opinion (which is fine, btw, it's a good way to draw out the crazies), but anti doesn't seem evasive or particularly thrown off.

zed is

scum

. Little to go on here, but two themes are already starting to emerge even after only five mostly-pointless posts.
1) He's mentioned his propesity for lurking (just to warn us?) at least twice already. That's the only thing he really cares to talk about other than....
2) He's very happy to talk about meta-related things as a way to meaninglessly insert some text. He's happy to answer the four (mostly pointless) questions, and since then his only contribution is a paragraph (no offense, guys, I swear) talking about time zones.

To me he looks like a textbook case of the "don't ruffle any feathers but try to look like you're participating" school of scumplay.

fos zed

[Lowell]

And for the I don't even know how many time on this site, I am a girl. It says it under my avatar. It is there for a reason, please pay attention.

Apologies. I usually catch those things.

[Lowell]

Yeah seems like zed is just grasping at straws. One of her posts was to express annoyance that I voted for her in RVS, and now she's upset that I think she's scum. Generally for somone who has yet to take a real position on anything (except to OMGUS me for FOSing her) she's a bit too defensive for my taste. I can't tell yet whether this is OMGUS scum reaction or OMGUS newbie town reaction, but I'll figure it out.

As for singer, the vote is largely gut, based particularly on my read from the first few pages.

[Lowell]

Responding to very intimidating prod. Will be gone this weekend, but will try to get a post in today or tomorrow before I leave.

[Lowell]

Prod received.

unvote, vote zed

for need of consensus (and because she's scum).

[Lowell]

Lowell:

You say you're voting singer because of gut. You've also called Zed outright scum here. Why is it more important for you to vote someone you have only a gut read on, instead of someone you have a definite case on? Combined with your RVS vote, it looks like awkwardly executed distancing to me.

@Uite- I don't exactly get what you're saying here, but generally, singer just gives me a scumvibe, hence the vote. But zed does also. There's no reason in particular I chose one over the other. My vote moved from sing to zed when I saw no one was joining me on the sing-wagon.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote quad

. Lowell's protip: Never run afoul of an angry lynch mob.

chess and quad could easily both be scum, but if not, at least chess is probably going to be more useful than quad. Which is at least more than I could say for zed. So either lynch is fine with me.

[Lowell]

Two quick things.
1-gamebreak: Why don't we just have everyoen self-vote, whoever doesn't get replaced is scum.
2-more seriously, singer's 294 looks like a WIFOM fest waiting to happen.

Internet is slow today. Will try again on Monday when I get back to work.

[Lowell]

A quick reread of D1 in light of new info. Starting from page 5, post 101. No one has more than two votes, only rudeboy and equi on quadz wagon.
111- lowell calls zed scum
113- zed OMGUSs like whoa
118- spring would "like to see the discussion between these two develop a bit before pronouncing [his position]" [--, very scummy. This is bringing to the forefront a non-argument, trying to make it seem important]
119- rude comes to zed's defense, votes lowell
123- zed says she was 'half-joking' [-, terrible]
132- equi votes quadz
165- singer votes quadz [+]
176- Uite and Lowell lead w/ 2 votes
182- quadz votes zed [zed likely not scumbuddy]
199- uite votes quadz
201- lowell votes zed
202- zed votes quadz
205- pom 'likes' zed wagon, does nothing [-]
206- kunk votes zed
210- zed leads w/ 4 votes, quadz has 3
229- anti votes zed
242- chess replaces zed, votes quad
251- 36 hours left, chess has 5 votes, quadz 3
254- nexus votes quadz
265- quadz supports deadline extension wagon, wants lurkers to come back [could be his partner?]
272- pom votes quadz
273- quadz leads w/ 5 votes, chess has 4
278- lowell votes quad
281- quadz self-hammers
287- quadz WEREWOLF, nexus MASON, and uite STUDENT are dead
288- muffin replaces spring

Some quick thoughts:

The timing of quadz' 265 makes me think he was looking for someone specific to save him. At the time of that post, chess was on the chopping block with only hours to go. Quadz voted for a deadline extension to "give the lurkers a chance." This makes me think his partner is somewhere among that group, and that quadz hammered when he got close to lynch to avoid his partner having to expose himself by taking a stand one way or the other.

vote spring/muffin

. Here's my guess for who quadz was waiting for. spring was a lurker, and the few posts he's had have been very odd. 118 in particular annoys me. There's a clearly (and admittedly) inane argument going on between Lowell and zed, and instead of doing any scumhunting spring decides he wants that discussion to continue "before prounouncing [himself]" (!?!), as if a position on the debate is necessary.

fos pom

. Given, he's a lurker. But besides that, his 205 and 272 look like he literally doesn't care at all who dies, as long as it isn't him. 205 in particular is weird, as he gives verbal support for the zed wagon, but doesn't vote. Post 272 eliminates pom as quadz' partner IMO (he cast the tiebreaking vote at the time), so I'd peg him for the other mafia team.

[Lowell]

If deadlines are looming, I'll stand in line for an Antihero lynch too.

sing, come join this wagon please. anti may be scum, but he can wait. no offense, but my case makes more sense than yours.

[Lowell]

NOT a huge fan of chesskid's mason-fishing, or his over-the-top reaction to a mason dying.

[Lowell]

Nope, no AtE. Replaced into a tough spot, had to expect to be lynched at some point, since I'm the easiest misslynch.

Actually if soeone could not hammer me before Wed night that would be great so I can do some pair analysis and give my likely scumreads. The good news about the 2 werewolf lynches in a row is that we get the misslynch to use on me.

There's little I hate more than pity parties. It's like you're daring someone to hammer you.

[Lowell]

I eat AtE for breakfast. That's mostly what I've seen from chess (and, actually, from zed as well). Your case against me using my meta is, basically, no different than the case defending me using meta (neither of which, btw, are helpful). Show me where I've ever used my own meta as means of defense.

vote chess

Someone gots to step up. BTW, if chess is scum, muffin isn't.

[Lowell]

Think I'll reserve comment until the mod posts, thanks.

[Lowell]

Hey wow, sevei was right about chesskid. She's totally town!!!

My gut is that it's sevei and kunk, that they'll "bus" each other, but thankfully list pairs so that we'll settle on Pom or myself as a "compromise." At least one of those is fail.

[Lowell]

Lowell:
My role PM says your gut is full of....craplogic.

Heh, classic.

No but seriously I'm usually right about these things.

[Lowell]

I hadn't noticed that. But if anything that says more about Kunk than me, no?

I notice sometimes I have my fans. It's usually not for a good reason.

[Lowell]

@muffin- I have literally no idea what you're trying to say with your analysis. Is the fact that people keep talking about me good, or bad? That sevei and kunk mention me a lot is good, or bad, and for whom? That I "barely mention anyone" is good, or bad? Everything about this post makes me think you're trying to make it look like you have legitimate reason behind your #1 target (me). As well, where you suggest sevei's innocence for not being on a bad wagon is horrible. I'm pretty sure scum have as much reason to "distance" as they do to "buddy", so it's not clear what you're trying to use this to prove.

Regarding the chess/muffin connection, two things. One, the interaction between you two seemed too authentic to be buddying; second, you were the two leading wagons yesterday, and I didn't think it particularly likely that, with seven players left, BOTH of the leading targets were scum. Of course, chess WASN'T scum, so it doesn't really apply.

[Lowell]

500 is a post I wish I had written. I knew there was something off about sevei but I'm having trouble placing it.

vote sevei

, let's get er done... no votes means scum win. Also if pom is town and right, he's basically asking scum to kill him.

[Lowell]

"piggybacking pom's post speculating a NK"?

I have no idea what that means. Also if lynching you is scum win, going after me is no better, and at least with you we have a chance. And I'd point out that demanding I make my case while just OMGUSing on your part doesn't look all that pro-town. It looks like you're caught but are sort of annoyed that it's not for a "good" reason, and are thus lashing out.

[Lowell]

I'm amazing. No surprise. Good game all.