StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare IIIS: The Dungeon (Game over)

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #939 (isolation #0) » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:00 pm

Day 3? Aw cra- 38 pages?
Everything better than expected. If someone wouldn't mind giving me a brief summary while I read up, would be appreciated.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #944 (isolation #1) » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:55 pm

Alrighty, hold on to your genitalia, here we go - Wot I Think.
I make no apologies for the impending WALL-O-TEXT.
This is written as I read through the thread, so my opinions at the end may be different from those I express at the start.

Oh great, someone who has to speak Italian.
*checks* Aw shit, he's still alive too. Personally would have killed him out of mercy, but alright. 3 Scum, 3 Town, and 1... something. Given that apparently no kills have been janitor/caretaker'd since, I'm going to guess that this was either:

Coug fuckin' with us
One of the Voyeur's abilities/a one-shot.

Parama's early throwing out of a list of feelings about players on Page 3, when we were still firmly in RVS/how the fuck do we translate chesskid stage, is irksome. Especially the way he passes it off as "taking a page out of Ellibereth's book" as if that makes it cool and froody.
Twomz jumping in with random vote when discussion had shifted past any semblance of an RVS is also a bit off. It's like it was a cursory "yeah, I'm here, back to lurking without reading thread" post. Ditto for Tasky, although at least he gave a reason (lack of time). Nero Cain was pretty clear scum from the start, going after the two easiest targets (whether bus or mislynch push, who knows) "Chess is being pretty hypocritical right now" with no reasoning, and "I don't like Twomz". Leaning towards either a third party or second scum faction that deliberately targetted him for this.
Parama calling out two (later seen to be town roles) for opportunism and providing little actual evidence on LLD behind "these reads are blatantly obvious" again irks me, as does Espeonage with "I think that

went well but has run it's course". Not to mention the fact his "content" is 2 lines and a vote.
Oh. Well, now I'm in the awkward position of praising my former self. LLD vote makes good sense at this point. smargaret already promising more content "later" - note she has a prod next to her name today, too. Hrm. Parama calling out Blooderection for not posting, and him immediately turning up and voting Parama... if I didn't know that slot flipped town, I'd say distancing between these two.
<blockquote><div><cite>Espeonage wrote:</cite>I'm happy with Parama's list.
I'm happy with my vote.
I will make a post with content when there is something new happening.

Maybe someone can stick some more votes on LL.</div></blockquote>
Oh boy. "I'm happy to parrot Parama, act as if nothing is happening, and leave my vote where it is, while calling for more bandwagon."

The Stove calling for a vig so confidently, on two players... ergh. Me no likey. At this point, I'm honestly wondering how much of the LLD wagon is town going at a scummy player, and how much is scum mislynch pushing for all they're worth.
Not entirely sure I can make sense of #137-143. Baby Spice might have had a N-0 cop result... I do wonder why Blooderection jumped Parama as well, though.
Reckamonic joining the LLD wagon because it's the only one being pushed seems kinda dumb, especially from a hydra I can usually rely on half of to be intelligent (and <div style="display:inline;font-style:italic">sassy</div>). Twomz-a-hoppin' is a hella lot worse, mind.
Nero throwing aspersions all over the convenient wagons of the day is... just so scummy. Wowzer. The more I read Cain, the more I think pro-town or third-party for his killer. "Since Chess is bussing I have no problem riding."  <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes"> 
I don't like the people who dismiss/ignore chesskid's posts. Installing babelfish (who the hell doesn't already have it anyway?) or having a Google Translate tab open ain't hard.
Parama and his <div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">fucking lists</div> of "Oh look how town I am constantly giving reads without going into any detail on most of them". STOP IT ALREADY. Also "I'm willing to call you misguided town" is my favourite bullshit scum-line for "I like you, don't vote me, kthx"
<blockquote><div><cite>The Stove wrote:</cite>OMG BLOODERECTION NEEDS TO DIE NAO.</div></blockquote>
This is <div style="display:inline;font-style:italic">so</div> town.[/sarcasm] Also I hugely don't like the idea of having one "almost-100%-def-scum" read at Page 7, let alone FOUR, with 3 maybe-scum reads.
Nobody Special turning up as soon as AH talks to him - SURE IS ACTIVE LURKING OVER THER-oh, he was scum. Well done me.
Why on earth ANYONE is at L-1 this early, however scummy LLD may be at this point, is beyond me. 
Good ol' hammer-space. I have hammerspace pockets in my suit. Very handy. Parama... actually makes a good point about Nero pushing like hell on LLD, and I do wonder why that was never followed through on - although I agree that having her at L-1 was a bad idea so early. Oh, wait, Antihero goes and puts her right back there. Bad Antiher-oh, right.
<blockquote><div><cite>smargaret wrote:</cite>NS is scummy.</div></blockquote>
This, followed by a vote and then a "oh, sorry for not posting", is what we call "active lurking like hell", and how on earth she's getting away with it, I don't know.
Congrats for drawing out a nilla there, though, guys. One less person for scum to waste their abilities of any kind on. Incidentally, LLD sitting there and taking it is pretty par for the course amongst EM players - a townie claim there is seen as licence to lynch. [/slowclap]
<blockquote><div><cite>Parama wrote:</cite>P.S. - Anyone who hasn't posted yet is vigbait tonight. Framm needs to post content, as well.</div></blockquote>
Right. "Vig"-bait.
Tasky activelurking too. Number of people who lurked Day 1 and are still alive and getting away with it now = irksome. This can be applied to Mafuyu, Twomz, and I don't think I've seen ANYTHING of note from manho at this point.
PARAMA AGAINST WITH THE LIST AND VOTING BLOODERECTION FOR NO REASON. Next post:
<blockquote><div><cite>Parama wrote:</cite>LLD's reaction = town
Blood's wagonhop = scum</div></blockquote>
GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME [/sarcasm]

<blockquote><div><cite>Lady Lambdadelta wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Baby Spice wrote:</cite><div style="display:inline;color:silver">Bhavit was just replaced in a newbie game for not picking up a prod.

Don't know what to think about LLD, but I really don't like the wagon.  Don't think there's enough to go on yet.</div></div></blockquote>
 
Sounds like a cop out to me.</div></blockquote>

Sweet irony, mmmm sweet irony.

Antihero says he "tend<div style="display:inline-flex;text-decoration:line-through"> to not commit to wagons [he realises] are being ridden by scum." - but hang on, you got on and then off that wagon three times over it's course. That looks less like "not committing" and more like "hopping on and off as it becomes useful" to me.
<blockquote><div><cite>Espeonage wrote:</cite>Yeah K. LLD is town.</div></blockquote>
That's a hell of a turn-around.

Interesting to see Baby Spice's PR was confirmed before her lynch.

<blockquote><div><cite>Parama wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>StrangerCoug wrote:</cite><div style="display:inline;color:purple"><div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold"><div style="display:inline;text-decoration:underline">VOTE COUNT</div></div>
Blooderection (2): Parama, Antihero
Baby Spice (1): The Stove
</div></div></blockquote>
Cool kids vote these wagons.</div></blockquote>

Bad scum make these kind of posts. Just saying.

<blockquote><div><cite>Nobody Special wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Baby Spice wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>Here's the entire context. So, how does parama's quote subvert the meaning of the last sentence?</div></blockquote>

Duh, because it was <div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">obviously refering to the so called case on LLD,</div> not the game in general which was what Parama was implying.  If that's not quoting out of context I don't know what is.  Then his excelent reposte of "No I didn't".

</div></div></blockquote>
Not at all obvious. Backpedal much?  IGMEOY.    <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_igmeou.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":igmeou:" title="IGMEOU"></div></blockquote>

I could see it perfectly fine. This is why I feel more than a little bad about many of the people pushing the Baby Spice wagon at this point (page 10).

<blockquote><div><cite>The Stove wrote:</cite>
<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">@Esep, Framm:</div> BE can wait. We'll lynch BS today. We'll get rid of scum AND an annoying PR. It's like a twofer.</div></blockquote>

Bad, naughty, dirty, evil post, this part especially.

<blockquote><div><cite>Espeonage wrote:</cite>@ Stove, <div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">The case is good but my gut's not in that one at the moment. </div>That is liable to change though but for now I am happier on BE.</div></blockquote>

Emphasis mine because holy crap, a good case > gut feeling for a townie any day.

<blockquote><div><cite>Twomz wrote:</cite>I got chocolate bubblegum.

<blockquote><div><cite>Antihero wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>BE wrote:</cite>1. its NOT an aweful reason to vote someone.</div></blockquote>
Seriously?
<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">Who here thinks it's OK to vote someone just because of a VT claim?</div></div></blockquote>

I think it's perfectly acceptable.

@ Babyspice:  You seem to be attacking the people who are attacking you for no real reason, could you list your suspects and say why they are your suspects?  And if someone quotes the relevant part of your post and comments on it in a way you don't like, you say that they're misinterpreting it, cause it's in the correct context, you just weren't clear enough and they interpreted it in a way you don't like.

I think I understand the reasons for the BS wagon, but could someone explain the reasons for the BE wagon?  I think I missed it.

<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">unvote</div></div></blockquote>

"I'm going to ask someone to provide content on a level I have singularly failed to match all game, and ask someone to tell me why I should hop our new wagon so I don't have to waste time reading or actually contributing."

<blockquote><div><cite>Tasky wrote:</cite>this game is going way to fast for me. don't have enough time.
so expect me to lurk a little.
don't let that distract you.

If you find scum, tell me.</div></blockquote>

<div style="display:inline;font-style:italic">STABBY STABBY BLOOD KILL KILL KILL</div>
No but seriously, this is a ridiculous amount of active lurking at this point. NS's hypocrisy on the point is not-oh, right, already dead. Wake up, KoCk.

...why am I being Bel-Air'd in Italian?

This:
<blockquote><div><cite>Blooderection wrote:</cite><div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">Unvote: 
Vote: Baby Spice</div></div></blockquote>
is a really bad thing and I am entirely unsurprised this slot was lynched D2 after Blooderection's hijinks. My predecessor shows how to put together a vote properly below. My predecessor was awesome, I'm going to be a let-down.

After Baby Spice's 289, I do wonder how on Earth she was lynched. It seems like a turning point from OMGUS (which is a null-tell IMHO at best) to actual town-esque attempts at reasoning - even if said reasoning was rather misguided, and still lightly OMGUS flavoured. Oh well.

Oh, hey, manho does exist. Wow, that's some fantastic excuse. You only just found out day started, despite everyone presumably getting a role PM with a link to this thread. Okay then. Oh, and you're still alive?  <img class="smilies" src="./images/smilies/icon_confused.gif" width="15" height="15" alt=":?" title="Confused">

<blockquote><div><cite>Tasky wrote:</cite>huh. I still have my vote on espeonage?

time to push a wagon

<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">unvote</div>, <span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: Blooderection</span>.</div></blockquote>

You are putting me dangerously close to wanting to do you a violence, sir.

<blockquote><div><cite>Lady Lambdadelta wrote:</cite>Sorry guys. Been really busy. >.<
 
Let me read again, and provide more evidence for why I think Baby Spice should get lynched.</div></blockquote>

Not "who I think we should lynch" or even "if the BS wagon is not BS", but "Let me read again, and provide more evidence for why I think Baby Spice should get lynched.". The push on Baby Spice is a foregone conclusion, and LLD is taking a lynch choice, then reading to justify it, instead of reading and then pushing a wagon based on that.
LLD's "read again" ends up just focusing on one post of BS (her most recent one) and either calls her thoughts "meaningless conjecture" (whut) or calls for a policy lynch because of "Why me?", which is a pretty null-tell, if not exasperated PR/newb tell.

<blockquote><div><cite>Lady Lambdadelta wrote:</cite>Antihero, can we please lynch BS before BE? She's so much scummier than he is.</div></blockquote>

Is it just me, or did LLD get away with pretty much anything she liked after her initial wagoning?

<blockquote><div><cite>Twomz wrote:</cite>But won't it just explode? Just like this...KABLAM!

<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">unvote, vote: Baby Spice</div> (L - 4)

Besides backwards/flawed voting logic (others have pointed it out, I don't even know what to say to it... providing reasons for votes is scummy? wtf), I agree that deflecting and the 'Oh woe is me' defense are two major scumtells (I was gonna say 'accurate' but scumtells are rarely accurate).</div></blockquote>

"OOH, ME TOO! MEEEE TOOOOOOO!"

This quote irks me for some reason:

<blockquote><div><cite>Antihero wrote:</cite>Why would NC pretend to think that Baby Spice was faking her post restriction?</div></blockquote>
...why the assumption that he was pretending?

<blockquote><div><cite>manho wrote:</cite><div style="display:inline;color:purple">why is Baby Spice still alive. he's the most obvscum i've seen.
BE's vote on LLD is not a scum tell to me, as i always thought that lynching a claimed VT is standard procedure.
LLD is town for the reaction to the his own lynch.
Tasky is scum for unwilling to read and scumhunt.
M=W is scum for doing nothing but pushing the well-established wagon on LLD and BS.
someone do an ISO on Twomz will find that if you remove the PR-first liner, he has no content at all. so he's scum also.
parama is town. and i will think the stove is town if not agar did the great job in the original SWNIII as scum.
other is a no read or no time to read for now.</div>

<span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: Baby Spice</span></div></blockquote>

So, your contribution is to piggyback on everyone else's opinions, and to push on M=W (aka MY GOOD SELF SIRRAH) with no evidence and pretty shabby reasoning. Ooooookay. Oh, and then more V/LA. Sweet.

<blockquote><div><cite>Tasky wrote:</cite>I think this game will be more fun if we put someone to L-1:
<span class="bbvote" title="This is an official unvote.">UNVOTE: <span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: Baby Spice</span></span>

<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold"><div style="display:inline;color:#FF0000">attention: it's L-1</div></div></div></blockquote>
Wut.

<blockquote><div><cite>Tasky wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>smargaret wrote:</cite>I don't like Tasky's vote.  It seems very opportunistic - that's the first time he's mentioned BS.  Also, his only other non-random vote was to push an existing wagon.

<span class="bbvote" title="This is an official unvote.">UNVOTE: Nobody  Special</span>
<span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: Tasky</span>

I'm still semi-v/la, but I will try to post more.</div></blockquote>
I <div style="display:inline;text-decoration:underline">AM</div> pushing wagons, yes. SO WHAT? is that scummy?
I like bandwagons.</div></blockquote>
Doublewut (smargaret makes a good point about his vote, lovely town points for you ma'am)

Wait, that was the hammer? SO, Tasky didn't actually check to see how the votes stood before going in? Hooooo boy.

Oh, wait, he was a ROLE COP? 
Oh wait, he wasn't. SC, you so silly.

Oh... ouch. SC trying to rival Wisborg Asylum and Chzo Mythos Mafia for goriest flavour, now?

<blockquote><div><cite>The Stove wrote:</cite>
DEAR SCUMZ

If you want to gg right now it's cool with us.

<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">vote: Blooderection</div>

AGar and I need a chance to talk about all these awesome events.</div></blockquote>

This reaction. I don't like it. Very, very tryhard.

<blockquote><div><cite>smargaret wrote:</cite>Blooderection is the play today.  I'm not joking.

<span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: Blooderection</span></div></blockquote>
Or giving a reason, I see.

Ah, the hammer wasn't Tasky's fault. Fair enough then. Wonder if that really <div style="display:inline;font-style:italic">was</div> a miscount by SC, though.

<blockquote><div><cite>Antihero wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>smargaret wrote:</cite>Blooderection is the play today.</div></blockquote>
I concur.

<span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: Blooderection</span></div></blockquote>

SURE IS GIVING REASONS IN HERE

Re: xvart in Post 429 (P18) - second-guessing whether the mod has put all restrictions on one side or not is a really bad idea in bastard mod games, and should be avoided. Judge them on their behaviour, and all alike, not on their posting restriction. Having said that, I will now completely contradict myself and admit I would be entirely unsurprised by the guy speaking Italian being a Mafioso.

BloodErection goes into full "LOL U ALL SUCK" mode and I would bet HEAVILY it was Covenant doing most of the posting here.

smargaret makes the exact point I am - modWIFOM = bad. modWIFOM in a bastard game = HOLY SHIT SON WHAT ARE YOU DOING

<blockquote><div><cite>Antihero wrote:</cite>xvart, please stop failing and read the thread.

<blockquote><div><cite>Blooderection wrote:</cite>Yo... so why am i still the best lynch for today?</div></blockquote>
I don't know, why was BS the best lynch for yesterday?

<blockquote class="uncited"><div>Yo... might I add that if we had lynched the claimed VT.... WE WOULDN'T HAVE LYNCHED THE COP!</div></blockquote>
Yo... might I add YOU WERE ON THE WAGON!

<blockquote class="uncited"><div><div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">Vote: Tasky</div>
-gives off major scum vibes to me.</div></blockquote>
You can drop the act now.  You're fooling no one.</div></blockquote>

It's funny because you were pushing BS for most of Day 1 too. Yessss... Your hypocrisy nourishes me.

Mmm. I love statistics. Wait, what am I saying, I hate this, and it's all fucking irrelevant PR distribution speculation.

<blockquote><div><cite>Espeonage wrote:</cite>k then. <span class="bbvote" title="This is an official vote.">VOTE: BE</span></div></blockquote>

Son, I am disappoint.

SO. MUCH. SETUP. SPECULATION. In a bastard game. Jesus, guys, have you never learned your lessons?

<blockquote><div><cite>Tasky wrote:</cite>I'd prefer if we do not lynch Blooderection today, there is something I have to check.
So, please, let us look elsewhere for today and not lynch him today.
We can lynch him tomorrow, but if my theory is right, he should die anyway tonight, so no need to waste our lynch on him.

I have a good reason for this. can't tell you, obviously.
N.B.: I am in no way suggesting that BE is town, nor have I any reason for not wanting his lynch tomorrow or later.</div></blockquote>

Reeeeally, now. Give reasons when you make posts like this, don't softclaim and leave everyone hanging.

<blockquote><div><cite>Parama wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>StrangerCoug wrote:</cite>Lady Lambdadelta (9): <div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold"><div style="display:inline;color:red">Mafuyu</div></div>, Parama, Espeonage, Me=Weird, Antihero, Twomz, Reckamonic, <div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold"><div style="display:inline;color:red">Nobody Special</div></div>, chesskid3, (<div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold"><div style="display:inline;color:red">Nero Cain</div></div>)</div></blockquote>
Hmm.... There's 1 more scum max on this wagon, I'd think.</div></blockquote>

Well, that's convenient.

<blockquote><div><cite>smargaret wrote:</cite>Tasky, I have reasons relating to my role why BE should be the lynch today.

Also, the PRs were not assigned based on math majoring, because that's what I finished college with (algebra, not stats, and I'm not up for discussing math in Italian).</div></blockquote>

OH FOR GODS SAKE

<blockquote><div><cite>Twomz wrote:</cite>You can't hide forever! And if you can, then I'll wait forever!

No, you don't have to redo the math, the math is retarded and pointless.  The fact that there was a 'post restricted cop' flip means that either there is a 'post restricted mafia' role or there isn't... 50% either way.  If there is more than one scum PR, then it will become apparent as the game progresses... this whole 'lynch PR players instead of scum hunting' trend is retarded...

In fact, <div style="display:inline;font-weight:bold">vote: xvart; FoS: Anyone else who even considered it</div>.

LOGIC! AT LAST!

<blockquote><div><cite>Parama wrote:</cite>Antihero is town <_<</div></blockquote>

That's a big leap to make. Not just "probably town" but "is town". 100% certainty. Hm.

<blockquote><div><cite>Antihero wrote:</cite><blockquote class="uncited"><div>In reality, the fact that he does while he is voting for me to believe that BE is trying to set up another misslynch the guy who speaks Italian.</div></blockquote>
Also, I'm not voting for you.
Try again, please.</div></blockquote>

Not voting =/= not setting up a lynch.

<blockquote><div><cite>The Stove wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>chesskid wrote:</cite>This is not scumhunt the PRS, this is scumhunt who is frothy. </div></blockquote>
So.  Much.  Lulz.

But I completely agree with the sentiment.  This whole "let's go down a lynch list lol" is fucking stupid.

<blockquote><div><cite>Parama wrote:</cite>Who said I posted no substantial information?</div></blockquote>
Me.

Dear kids wanting Blooderection case,

Plz to be doing iso on Blooderection and posting results.

Love,

PZ

P.S.  Antihero is town, wasted vote is wasted.
P.P.S.  The more xvart posts, the more I want him shot.</div></blockquote>

Those post-scripts... again, with nothing to support these huge jumps. Hrm.

<blockquote><div><cite>Espeonage wrote:</cite>I know I didn't post a real BE case. It was kinda obvious. Look at the points where I mention he is scum and then look at the BE posts preceding it. Is fair obvious.</div></blockquote>

Nopenopenope. You don't get to do this. You damn well say what you find scummy, not just "it was obvious".

Right, that's gotten me to Page 20. Will finish the last 18 pages later and give final thoughts.</div>

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1069 (isolation #2) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:05 pm

Jesus, give a man some peace to read already.

manho wrote:
chesskid is scum.

VOTE: chesskid

Was this ever explained, or just manho being manho?

Framm on BE and Espy:

Framm 18 wrote: Odd thing is, I don't think that both of them are scum together, based on their interaction. But I feel llike I am behind the eight-ball in terms of trying to catch up with this game. Miss one or two days and you miss alot.

Assuming multiple scum factions/scum and SK with no coherent flips that uphold this? I don't like it, it smells of trying to throw town off.

Me=Weird wrote: First off is the stove's vote:
Baby Spice - one of the worst votes I've seen on MS
Initially, not the most reasoned out vote. They do back it up somewhat later, but it's not too great. Conclusion: Null, leaning
town.

LLD:
Right now I like Baby Spice as Scum more than BloodErection.

For the simple fact that BloodErection's vote swap MAY have been based upon some deluded town logic... where as Baby Spice is just scumming it up in every way. Cop out post to avoid being linked to any wagon + an OMGUS vote on Parama = Scummy

Vote: Baby Spice
The case: OMGUS, and and just calling BS scummy without really saying why. This is a very weak vote, almost entirely based on OMGUS. It looks a bit to me like scum trying to get a bandwagon going. Conclusion:
Scum.

chess:
as far as I can tell, he wrote:However, I would prefer a Baby Spice wagon because she's not making much sense now, and calling calling obv. town people scum d1
It's a bit hard to figure out what he's saying, as I don't know Italian and translating is weird. Basically, he's saying she wasn't making much sense, which is true, though I have quite often seen town players make no sense. He also accused her of calling townish people scum, the d1 point doesn't make sense because it's a night start game. An okay vote, though it's hard to tell because of the PR. Conclusion: Null.

Espeonage:
Yet another reasonless one. Conclusion: Leaning a bit to
scum.

Twomz:
unvote, vote: Baby Spice (L - 4)

Besides backwards/flawed voting logic (others have pointed it out, I don't even know what to say to it... providing reasons for votes is scummy? wtf), I agree that deflecting and the 'Oh woe is me' defense are two major scumtells (I was gonna say 'accurate' but scumtells are rarely accurate).
Good reasoning, I agreed with this post. Doesn't follow up with it after her other posts, though. Conclusion: Probably
town.

manho:
Just calls her obvscum.
Not much to analyze, it's becoming the norm to vote without reasons. Conclusion: Null, leaning
scum.

Tasky:
I think this game will be more fun if we put someone to L-1:
UNVOTE: VOTE: Baby Spice

Bad
vote. Because it would be more fun? He didn't even express suspicion before this.

See all these reads? These are precisely what I think at this point. (It's not parroting if I'm parroting myself, right?

)

chesskid wrote:tunneling is because you have not spoken to anyone that I have in ages.

Er... what?

chesskid wrote:I am not active in wait, so stop fucking lying.

Erm, what was all the math based on flawed logic about then? Not to mention the fact your so-called "self-clear" was mod-confirmed as crapola...

Reckamonic wrote:The headache. X_X;

Vote: chesskid3

Remember when I said I'd have gotten rid of chesskid if I could?

I didn't mean wasting a lynch to do so.

Parama wrote:
Mafuyu wrote:
Unvote Vote LLD

Mafuyu is interested.
Eh... safe to say LLD isn't scum IMO.
Nobody Special wrote:This is why good players preview our posts prior to hitting Submit.
LLD isn't scum. Just sayin'.

Because scum never bus Day 1, guys!

Parama wrote:
Mafuyu wrote:....are you
sure
the lists aren't part of a PR?
see my own reason for not being mafia above, basically the same thing
Mafuyu wrote:As much as it's amusing to know you're reading Jabberwocky en italiano, are you doing anything other than evading the prodgun right now chess?
I dunno whether to call this a weak bus or a weak attack on a townie. Meh.

Nobody Special wrote:Stop telling me what to do, I don't play according to other people's whims.

Also, I fully agree with Espeo -- this is going to be one frakking hard game. (Plus, I feel all fish-out-of-waterish -- I wasn't in SWNIII.)

Reck/dram, am I, really? I'm not trying to be. Sorry.

unvote

Vote: Lady Greekletters
1. Antihero isn't scum.
2. Espe gets scumpoints
3. Reckamonic gets scumpoints
4. LLD is town

Hi, I'm Parama, I throw this shit out without any fucking justification other than quoting a post that could be interpreted many different ways.

Parama wrote:
Nobody Special wrote:
Tasky wrote:this game is going way to fast for me. don't have enough time.
so expect me to lurk a little.
don't let that distract you.

If you find scum, tell me.
This is the SECOND GAME in which you've posted this.

I think I'm on my way to hating you. Don't push me.

(Sadi the active lurker.)
Hmm... I could see Tasky-scum from this post. Really weak attack and it's more a personal attack than anything.

So when it was done to chesskid, you weren't sure if it was bus or attack on a townie, but you're only considering a bus here?

The size of Parama's scum pool at any time from mid-D2 seems to always be... well, a lot more scum than you'd actually expect at this stage in the game. Smells like scum throwing out as much suspicion as possible, tbh.

Parama wrote:I'm playing to my town meta. I mean, my role PM told me I was town, so I can't help but play to my town meta.

Things I hate:

Meta defence
Meta attacks
Use of meta at all

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - any semi-competent player is aware of their meta, and can play their meta to the point where they become unreadable. Parama even admits that he deliberately plays to meta as SK and mafia, so this post is a bullshit defence.

chesskid's constant "Oh, I have a PR, don't vote me", combined with his aggro towards those pushing his case (xvart and antihero especially) doesn't come across as particularly townish, and neither does the reliance on the flawed maths.

Tasky wrote: there is no such thing as OMGUS. he attacked me, and I am townie, therefore it is obvious that he did something wrong. so, I am inclined to investigate him further. Therefore, I looked back at his posts, and they are full of nonsense. He screams OMGUS all the time, calls 5 people scum, etc.
therefore I vote him.

OH BOY, that logic. "I'm town, anyone who attacks me is wrong and scum". Terribad defence, the type I'd expect from scum.

Tasky wrote: I am not sure about this. but I think so. and, it is vital for all of us that I get to know whether my theory is right or not.
Maybe, if my theory gets confirmed, I can even explain it tomorrow. I am not promising that, though.

"If I can use my power tonight and no-one blocks me..."

Toon Fighter wrote:
vote: Me=First

I read the case and I agreee with it

Worst. Town JOAT. Ever.

Tasky wrote:more M=W votes please!

"I can't explain adequately why, but vote this guy I'm OMGUSing and putting a terrible case on!"

manho wrote:
Spoiler: Notes to myself
spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple, spoiler, invisible, purple...

will read BE soon after catching up in
Star Aligned III
.
i still think chesskid is the italian godfather.

That's awfully specific, sir. Care to back it up? I mean, in principle, I suppose your case is "it makes sense for an Italian Godfather to not know English" which makes some sense, but I'd prefer actual reasons as to scumminess.

Reckamonic wrote:Gonna
Vote: BE

Meta reasoning in an ongoing game

REEEEEECCCCCK!/DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!"

Thankfully not the lynch, but still. GUISE. SRSLY. U GUISE.

Tasky wrote:^lol.

look. it's simple. I have a good reason to suspect that BE will die today.
therefore I do not think we should lynch him today.
not difficult, no lies.

Wait, today? What happened to him dying that NIGHT?

Wait, Chrono doesn't even know what the fuck he is? Well, shit son.

Tasky wrote:can we go on to serious business and lynch M=W now?

smargaret wrote:tl;dr for Chronopie: You're scum.

These are bad posts and you should both feel bad.

smargaret wrote:oh ... sorry, I thought Chronopie had replaced BE. Framm is only maybe scum, because he hasn't posted anything.

*embarrassed*

Okay, you're kinda redeemed, but forgetting who's who so easily is a step away from "I'll push fucking

anyone

"

manho wrote:chronopie is town, [not a spoiler]or scum with parama.[/spoiler]

Getting SERIOUSLY fed up of manho coasting along like this, barely contributing and rarely explaining any of his reads.

Twomz wrote:There is no Pustulio! It's just a pimple! A hypnotic pimple!

I stand by my policy that Chronopie is always scum.
unvote, vote: Chronopie
This is only slightly a joke.

Halfway through D2 is not time for even "slightly a joke" sir.

Tasky wrote:
Tasky wrote:can we go on to serious business and lynch M=W now?
this

...no comment,

for now.

Espeonage wrote:Can we just lynch the scum and then get onto the next one later. BE reeked of so much scum the case wasn't needed. I did point out a really bad post or two of his though.

NO SIR, CASE IS ALWAYS NEEDED, SIR. "REEKING" NOT ENOUGH, SIR.

Tasky wrote:
smargaret wrote:Tasky seems to be flailing about for any lynch that isn't BE right now.
I want to lynch M=W.

smargaret wrote: At this point, BE is the best lynch. There are two outcomes: BE is scum. This is obviously good. BE is town. BE is vanilla town (per claim), so we haven't mislynched another power role. The wagon on BE will provide a lot of material for analysis tomorrow. We'll get rid of a scummy player who would be serious trouble in LyLo, so he doesn't make a bad mislynch either.
the last time I made a post like this I was scum.
FoS: smargaret

Petitioning for Tasky to be renamed "terribad scum". Seriously, this and the M=W case are huge piles of fluff. Judging someone based on YOUR meta? Jesus, meta is bad enough without misapplying YOURS to SOMEONE ELSE.

xvart wrote:
Tasky, 674 wrote:the last time I made a post like this I was scum.
FoS: smargaret
As I recall, I think I made some points against smargaret a while back. Let me go back and check, but I am pretty sure I could swing for a smargaret lynch today in the unfortunate event that chesskid is not hanging from the gallows.

xvart.

"I want this lynch... but I'm cool with anything else I can push, really!"

Toon Fighter wrote:
unvote, vote: sakshijain

That lost role thing was seriously weird. I want it better explained.

...see above statement Re: Worst. JOAT. Ever.

Tasky wrote:
smargaret wrote:Mothrax still needs to die. Tasky, how sure are you that he'll die tonight? I'll move my vote if it's inevitable.
let's say 60%, but additionally it is very important for us that I determine whether my theory is true.

60% =/= good enough. And I want an explanation of why only 60%, and yes I am asking for a proper claim here because frankly I'm fed up of all this "ooh, he might die" shit you pulled D2.

What are you, and why might you have killed BE if he hadn't been lynched. Now. Go.

Parama wrote: *is patiently waiting for a mothrax lynch and will do nothing until mothrax is dead*

Sure is tunnelling over here.

manho wrote:ok then,
unvote, vote: mothrax

[color=not purple]Manho gets his first strike for post #723, which breaks his post restriction.[/color]

LOL, just messing around with the mod color.

...I'm going to slap you. Seriously, how the fuck are you getting away with this?

Parama wrote:
Town:

Tasky
The Stove
LLD
smargaret

Null:

Antihero
Twomz
Me=Weird
Espeonage
chesskid3
Chronopie
xvart
manho
Reckamonic

Scum:

Toon Fighter

I'm thinking I need to reread a bit. My reads are all screwed up atm. I want to see what Toon Fighter flips before anything else. If he flips mafia goon, I'm putting my life savings on all daykills being deathmillerized. If he flips town (HAHAHA you jest.) or mafia PR then I'll be happier with all current flips. I really want to believe all the flips and my gut is telling me to do so, but I'm not sure.

Question: since TF was daykilled and flipped town, do you think the flips are... well, flipped? Or that only certain kills are millerised? Or any other ideas you may have now.

You appear to have answered this already, I assume you now believe the kills aren't millerised/flipped alignment on reveal. Feel free to correct me.

Re: Twomz in #770 - pointing out that you are pointing out the obvious =/= making your post any less fluff.

Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.

Hoo boy. This is a terrible defence. "I was right about him being town! WHY MEEEEEE?!"

Tasky wrote:wait. isn't this going WAAAY to fast?
we should be a little careful, while it is true that 3 scums have died, we still lost 2 very powerful power roles. I don't think we should take this lightheartedly.
I'd like a NICE, PRECISE and COMPLETE case against Espeonage in one post. Thanks!

"Let's slow this legitimate lynch down! I can't be bothered/don't want to read Espeonage's last 3 posts myself, and I've conveniently forgotten about M=W for now."

manho wrote:
manho wrote:
Espeonage wrote:Why my lynch. I was basically the only person who pointed out how stupid the TF case was and it turns out I was right.
maybe you are scum so you know TF is not scum for sure.

just saying that though i haven't read Espeonage and not decided him scum or not yet.

add in the stove in my list of to be read.
an iso on Espeonage shows that he is likely scum. and that last post in which he wanted to prove himself innocent makes him scum.

vote: Espeonage
for now. will read the stove later.

LOL, small words are shown as normal in google chrome, and i thought i've forgotten my PR when i read my own post.

Again, just "my ISO that I'm not going into detail on says he's scum, also his last post".

[quote="chesskid3]As might be(likely to be?) scum like Espeonage, (he was happy to go into mathematics PR thing with me), and call it wishful thinking, but if he turns scum, the chances of me being scum down. If he runs the city, the chances of me being scum still go down.[/quote]

"Lynching this guy makes me town, regardless of his flip" Er, no. Just no. No player is EVER confirmed by another's flip, with the possible exception of a cop saying "X is town" and then being revealed as pro-town cop on death. And even then, godfather roles exist, so it's no 100%.

Tasky wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:Tasky is scum. He's promised to help out with chesskid's posts but has conveniently sat out of all discussions about them, the OMGUS case on M=W is beyond terrible, his votes are normally baseless, and his "BE will die tonight bit was scum trying to get two mislynches for the price of one ("Oh, BE isn't dead? Well, I guess my theory was wrong, then. Time to get lynching!"
I do not know whether my theory is right or not, since you guys didn't what I asked you too.
I didn't help out chesskid because nobody asked me to. If there is a difficult post, I'll help. I really don't understand how you can really believe I am scum because of that.
M=W is scum, whether you believe it or not.

all in all, your post is just ridiculous.

Tasky, this defence is ridiculous. Your theory never merited testing, and since mothrax flipped town, what if your "60%" hadn't come through? You'd have expected us to lynch him still. "No-one asked me" is not a valid reason when we've clearly been having trouble with posts going through Google Translate twice and coming out heavy garbage.
"M=W is scum, whether you believe it or not" pretty much sums up your case on me - nearly non-existent.

manho wrote:
[not a spoiler]@mod, you've missed my vote.[/spoiler]

i'm not scum, sorry.

You're not doing much in the way of being town, though. Your "post restriction" requires you to purple, mini, or spoiler some text before you start each post. It does NOT in anyway justify the massive active lurking you've perpetrated this game.

Tasky wrote:
Stove wrote:
Here's an idea: go read him yourself and form your own opinion.
That's exactly the point: I read Espeonage but I didn't see what you see. Therefore I am asking you to show me.

Wait, so you read him, and didn't see a good case on him as scum... so you want someone else to show you a case on him? Can you not stand by your own read, for some reason? Do you, say, just want a reason to jump on any town wagon?

Tasky wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:What reasons make you believe Espeonage could be town?
What reasons make you believe Espeonage could be scum?
he got a role PM from the mod containing his role. I know from a reliable source that his role was chosen randomly among a pool of roles containing scumroles and townroles.
That answers both questions.

No, it doesn't, it's dodging a valid question as to why you have conflicting opinions of Espeon over time that lead to a null-read overall.

Nachomamma8 wrote:
chesskid, post #842 wrote:I would not be at all surprised if the city upside down, but he has earned my vote.
So are you saying that you wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town, but he's earned your vote regardless?
If so, would you be suprised if he flipped scum?

Holy shit, THIS. "I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town, but I'm voting him anyway"? BING BING BING SCUMDAR GOING OFF LIKE A FUCKING WASP'S NEST, MASSIVE CONTACT OFF THE STARBOARD SIDE, CAP'N

smargaret wrote:Huh. Upon rereading, xvart has the defense of BE, which gives him town points, and some rolefishing/pointless post restriction discussion/my own private reason which give him scum points. Leaning scum, but probably not a good choice for today.

Given that scum know who is town (or, if we have a third party, who ISN'T scum, at least), why does defending BE/mothrax give him town points?

manho wrote:i haven't seen a case on me so i won't defend myself.

still trying to find some time to read the stove.

vote: Espeonage
if the mod can't find my last vote.

i promise not to put game-related stuff in invisible text.

...really now. How about:
- Lack of any meaningful content
- Multiple unreasoned votes
- Repeated wagon hopping
- Refusal to defend self and ignoring cases against you

Parama wrote:M=W: I don't really want to lynch obvious town, so Tasky isn't gonna be a valid lynch ever.

Please tell me why he's obvious town.

Parama wrote:See: Tasky giving role-related reasons as to why we shouldn't lynch BE because he'll die anyways
See: BE/moth flipping town
See: Tasky obvtown

Soft-claim + town-flip =/= Tasky being obvtown. If anything, BE/moth flipping town reinforces the idea that Tasky was hoping for a second mislynch when his 60% magically failed to come through.

manho wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:Jokes aside, Vote: Manho. He's making his post restriction more crippling than it has to be; having to post in spoilers or purple text for the entire game really isn't an excuse to not post any content throughout the course of it.
yeah, and i promise to only put random stuff in invisible text.
I'll have to look later in his ISO to see his posts, but I'm pretty sure that he's posting only to avoid prods.
i'll leave it until you look into my ISO.
He gets bonus scum points for being really late on both wagons, and I'd pretty much guarantee he didn't have any reasoning for jumping onto either of them.
my vote would have been on Baby Spice much earlier if i didn't missed half of the first day. and she was so obv-scum then.
i didn't find BE/moth that scummy, but he wasn't that pro-town either. i'd say he was neutral in my mind then. the deadline and the fact that 3 scums have dead make my wagon vote.
His votehop onto Espeonage with reasoning "an ISO shows that he is likely scum" is a scum cop out, and only adds to his case.
i can't explain the gut feeling, but that's the way it goes.

the stove is still my next read, but i still struggle to find some time to do that.

Let's address how bad this "defence" is, shall we kids?
- he doesn't actually answer the first point of Nacho's.
- He refuses to properly defend (

again

) until Nacho ISO's him.
- Missing half the first day isn't an excuse when all role PM's had a link to the thread.
- I don't subscribe to the "any lynch > no lynch" theory, personally, but okay.
-

An ISO should not result in a "gut feeling". The point of an ISO is to find solid evidence in a person's post. The fact you provided no evidence other than this "gut feeling" is scummy as all hell.

Parama wrote:Dunno why town would want to see a wagon on obvtown.
Dunno why you care about me moving Antihero on my list if my list isn't scumhunting like you say.

You're BSing this on the basis of me moving one read on my list. From town to nulltown. And acting like it's a big deal. While also saying my lists are worthless.

Calling self obvtown =/= being obvtown.
The point Stove is trying to make (feel free to correct me if I'm interpreting wrong) is that you're moving people about on these lists with little/no real justification, the order seems arbitrary when people like Antihero who have done more "townie" actions than others are below those people", and the very fact they're not scumhunting.
And I'd say sticking with those damn worthless lists, then trying to draw suspicion on Antihero and Stove for getting onto you for them, is just as much BS.

chesskid3 wrote:
Unvote

Vote: Chronopie

I love a good rack of lamb, me. And chesskid sure tastes like sheep.
That said, after the vote he backs it up. Hrm. Not a fan of justification AFTER voting, but... eh.

Tasky wrote:
The Stove wrote:Tasky, why that vote. Why that vote over other possible votes. Sigh.
because Chronopie is scum.

You start giving sodding reasoning with your votes, sir, or you're going to dance the hemp fandango if I have any say.

Tasky wrote:this game is dragging...
MORE CHRONO-VOTES PLZ!!

A) How the fuck was the game dragging? Because someone asked to be replaced?
B) JESUS CHRIST MAYBE IF YOU GAVE PEOPLE A DECENT CASE TO WORK WITH

manho wrote:[not a spoiler=]GO BULLS~~~[/spoiler]
the framm/chrono slot is not scum.

Another coasterpost.

And that's me caught up to where I replaced in.

Final reads:

Scummy as all hell:

Tasky (VOTE M=W PLZ! NO, VOTE CHRONO PLZ! NO, I'M NOT GOING TO PRESENT A COHERENT CASE OF MY OWN ON EITHER! I also don't like the soft-claim that, if his 60% had conveniently not gone through, would have led to 2 mislynches in a row)
Charlie/manho (mostly based on manho's actions, or lack thereof)

Sort-of frothy

chesskid3 (delicious parrots, continued use of math PR long after shown to be bullshit)
Espeonage (WHY MEEEEE)

Null, from null-but-a-bit-frothy to null-but-kinda-cool-I-guess

Parama (lack of real scumhunting, defensiveness over his stupid lists)
Chronopie (not much content, but doing more than manho/Tasky, and given that they're pushing him... kinda doubt a late-game bus)
smargaret (full on null as hell.)
Fate replacing xvart (See smargaret)

Fairly confident town-reads (no particular order)

The Stove
Fate
Antihero
(All three have been posting strong, well thought-out townesque content, and have done little that I find scummy.)

Seriously needs to do more in this game

Nachomamma8
Twomz
(I'm having a hell of a time reading either of you, Nacho because Reckamonic did fuck all, and you've not done much more since, and Twomz because what you've posted has been so non-committal I don't know where to begin.)

With that done, I shall now UNVOTE: VOTE: Tasky

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1070 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:10 pm

...And I've put Fate on there twice, for some reason. Consider his position in the Town Read list the actual one.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1076 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:18 pm

Fate wrote:
Knight of Cydonia wrote:...And I've put Fate on there twice, for some reason. Consider his position in the Town Read list the actual one.
So you're actually trying this game?

YOU KNOW WHAT THA-oh you're M=W...

I try every game. You've seen me replace in, I do these walls every time.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1077 (isolation #5) » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:20 pm

Doublepostan

Google Translated chesskid wrote: well that was a nice wall of A B may be true but you can also OMG Stop the presses

Er... what?
Tasky, make yourself useful, scum.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1103 (isolation #6) » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:07 am

I want to see a votecount before we do anything rash. Parama, you're doing yourself no favours here if you are town.
Mind you, you're doing us a huge favour if you're not.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1106 (isolation #7) » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:23 am

Do

you

even know your role?

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1134 (isolation #8) » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:45 pm

chesskid3 wrote:Feccia:
Chronopie
KoC
Charlie?
ToonFighter?

One of those is dead, and I've yet to see you present a case of your own against the other three.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1136 (isolation #9) » Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:59 pm

chesskid3 wrote:Ho presentato un caso su chronopie. Si sono confermati per la feccia per il tentativo di discredito.

Yeah, you presented it 8 pages ago.

Your first post on the subject, in reply to Chronopie voting manho for 828:

chesskid3 wrote:^ feccia

Translation: "^ scum"

Your next post is your vote for him. No reasoning given.

Then you quote Chronopie's post that you pointed at and said "scum" to, without a case again, then finally, 3 posts later, say this:

chesskid3 wrote:chiamando città argomenti città V non è qualcosa che un townie dovrebbe fare proprio ora, soprattutto con il modo che la stufa sembra essere circa Parama (non che sono d'accordo con lui, ma non ho intenzione di chiamarla città contro città)

LLD è fondamentalmente città evidente, sulla base della sua richiesta e conseguente miglioramento del gioco da allora.

Inoltre, saltando su manho per 828 è incredibilmente schiumosa. Questo post non è viscido, che il post è solo costolette manho sballare. Nella peggiore delle ipotesi, è un nulltell, e nella migliore delle ipotesi si tratta di un towntell.
Saltando su un bersaglio molto facile dopo quel post, tuttavia, è un scumtell.

Translator gives me this:
"arguments calling city City V is not something that a townie should do right now, especially with the way the fire seems to be about Parama (not that I agree with him, but I'm not gonna call city against city)

LLD city is basically clear, based on its request and thereby improving the game since then.

In addition, jumping up to 828 Manh is incredibly frothy. This post is not sticky, that post is just busting chops Manh. At worst, it is a nulltell, and at best it is a towntell.
Jumping on a target very easy after that post, however, is a scumtell."

Now, from what I can understand, your "case" on Chronopie is basically "townies don't call arguments town vs. town, also I think Manho's 828 is just him being townie under pressure, so Chrono is scum". (Again, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)
Firstly, I've seen plenty of townies call arguments "town vs. town" before, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from; and secondly, that 828 is pretty much how manho posted all damn game. It's not a change under pressure, it's him sticking to providing fuck-all content.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1138 (isolation #10) » Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:29 pm

Because Tasky is scummy as all hell and I like my vote on him.

Knight of Cydonia · Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:23 am

Like I said. Happy with my Tasky vote.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1170 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:27 pm

"Who should I sheep", an unvote, and finally sorting out his PR =/= claiming town, or doing anything to change my read on his predecessor.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1172 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:08 pm

Well, let's hear them then.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1180 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:22 pm

Parama wrote:I have see Charlie-scum. He would reread the entire thread.

That's it? You're going to completely ignore what his predecessor did, and say "he would read whole game as scum, must be town"?
Firstly, it's a meta defence. Second, it's a meta defence that can't even be confirmed since he could easily read the whole game and only post about the last 10 pages as you suggested.
Y'know, if you can't be bothered to play this game properly, Parama, you might as well not play.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1181 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:24 pm

StrangerCoug wrote: Charlie (1): Chronopie
smargaret (1): Tasky
The Stove (1): Lady Lambdadelta
Not voting (3): Espeonage, Charlie, Parama

The following people all need to stop wasting/not using their vote. If you're voting someone, convince us why they're the wagon today.
If you're not, sodding well start voting.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1228 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:40 pm

Tasky. Chrono. Parama.

All three need to be lynched. Tasky has gone completely under the radar. Chrono was never above it. Parama is throwing around vague bullshit about how Charlie is town, and smarg is ruining the null/town read I had on her by accusing Fate, of all people, of paralyzing the game.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1264 (isolation #17) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:09 pm

Parama wrote: @Knight: When did I go from a null read to a scum read?

Vagueness, refusal to co-operate with town, coupled with earlier throwing out of listed of "reads" with nothing to support them and therefore no way to hold you accountable for them as any of your earlier reads can be justified anyway you wish via selective reading and interpretation.

@Antihero - sorry for confusing you and smarg, you just seem to basically be one person attacking Fate recently, so the confusion is an easy one to make. It's like a mutual chainsaw circlejerk over there.

PreviewEdit:

I read through every sodding page of this game. I always do when I replace in. Shit's important.

Agree with whichever half of The Stove just posted about confirmation bias re: smarg's reread. Already having a vote on Fate while reading = a heavy influence on how that reread goes.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1269 (isolation #18) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:49 pm

Parama wrote:Your comment is kinda pointless.

Not really, though. Meta is an awful defence, especially when, as you're clearly stating, Parama, you're aware of that meta. Awareness of meta leads to ability to manipulate it, yada yada, how many times do I have to bloody say this when people try to use meta as a defence of themselves or others...

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1278 (isolation #19) » Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:41 pm

Confirmation bias of smarg's read confirmed. bhavy-whatsit never even posted. That's not lurking, that's "not picking up role PM, not posting ANYTHING, not picking up prod".
The fact it's the first poitn of smarg's case worries me. Will address the rest after I go to lectures today. should be about 3PM GMT.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1286 (isolation #20) » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:38 am

Right, that fucking does it, if you'll pardon my French.
UNVOTE: VOTE: Parama
Start participating, or start swinging, sir.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1289 (isolation #21) » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:43 am

Espe and Chrono can be handled by the vig or by the mod. You, however, are posting while not actually providing any content other than "that's a rubbish case, so's that, I can't be bothered to read anything longer than a few lines because I don't like walls, X is town, I'm town, not gonna explain why lol". IMHO, that's worse than just being lazy, that's being actively anti-town and obfuscatory.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1293 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:41 am

It's gotta end on the 29th. That's what deadlines are for.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1347 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:42 pm

chesskid wrote:I threw on Koc scumlist because his wall was a wall of text does not take a position on anything, and it seemed a very frothy catchup post.
Honestly, I do not even remember who he replaced, I'm not paying much attention to this game

tl;dr "this seemed scummy but I can't say why, I didn't actually read it to see that KoC took a position on everyone at the end of it, I'm not actually paying attention to this game."

Hey
Hey guys
NEWSFLASH: A WALL IS A WALL!
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Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1357 (isolation #24) » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:02 am

Right. I want a set in stone agreement from Tasky that he will only kill who a majority of the town asks him to.
We should agree on who we want vigged before we lynch each day. If at any point Tasky deviates from the kill we request, we lynch him immediately.
Agreed?

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1359 (isolation #25) » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:03 am

Oh, and he shouldn't be allowed to live to endgame, just in case he is really a SK-Poisoner or scum poisoner.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1362 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:08 am

No, Fate. While I might agree with your list, others may not. We do this properly.
I want everyone to put a vig vote in bold and blue like this:

vigvote: Parama

Give it 36 hours for everyone to vote, then the person who has a majority/the most votes after that time, Tasky agrees to kill.
Then we can lynch Chrono or whoever the fuck we do end up with.

And Fate, I was ahead of you, actually. Hence my post being

ahead of yours.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1364 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:14 am

No, Fate. That's not how "being a competent townie" works. You give other people a choice in this, and with a vigvote, the scum have to vote twice. That gives us two chances to spot a voting pattern, another way to catch them out. We're doing a vig vote.
Fine. 24 hours.

Knight of Cydonia · Post Post #1375 (isolation #28) » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:37 am

Chesskid not
Giving
Decent
Reasons

Since we're listing, I guess mine is:
Parama
Chronopie
Espeonage
chesskid3

Knight of Cydonia · Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:32 am

So chesskid's "case" on me is that he disagrees with my reads, and he thinks my catchup posts were "walls of shit".
I strongly suggest you come up with a real case, one where you point out actual scummy actions rather than "I disagree, must be scum". You're using your PR to coast through this game without ever providing real cases on any of your suspects, and it's getting beyond a joke.

Knight of Cydonia · Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:44 am

chesskid3 wrote:
Knight of Cydonia wrote:So chesskid's "case" on me is that he disagrees with my reads, and he thinks my catchup posts were "walls of shit".
I strongly suggest you come up with a real case, one where you point out actual scummy actions rather than "I disagree, must be scum". You're using your PR to coast through this game without ever providing real cases on any of your suspects, and it's getting beyond a joke.
La traduzione, perché a quanto pare non sono l'unico che non possono postare in inglese: WAH WAH WAH WAH c'è un caso su di me e se mi difendo potrei guardare scummy quindi mi limiterò a lamentarsi di come CK ha un PR e sarà tutto va via wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

3 lines does not a case make. I'm not "whining about you having a PR", I'm pointing out that you seem to basically be posting 2-3 lines for most of your posts and expecting to get away with it because of your PR.

Knight of Cydonia · Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:03 am

chesskid3 wrote:Il tuo avatar mi infastidisce

Well, if we're going to be petty... It's a leftover from my last modded game. I should change it, but I think I'm going to leave it until after this game is over now.

Knight of Cydonia · Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:33 pm

-sigh- Fine. I want Parama's head tomorrow if he keeps this shit up, mind.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Chronopie

Knight of Cydonia · Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:16 pm

We won? Jolly good.